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Date: 13 Feb 2007 17:48:38
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Does Tour of California matter?
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People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
because not much racing is going on.
So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 21 Feb 2007 20:44:56
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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On Feb 13, 11:21 pm, Diablo Scott <diabloscottN0S...@terra.es > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
> > because not much racing is going on.
>
> > So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
> > because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
> > Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
>
> > --Mike Jacoubowsky
>
> It'll matter to the fans about as much as it matters to the racers. I
> think we're past the point of being ecstatic to see riders likeBettini
> and Simoni just show up and let the locals fight it out. It's OK with
> me if Leipheimer or Zabriskie wins, but if all the other big names treat
> it as avacationit'll never "matter" on the calendar.
I have something in common with Bettini. We both like to race bicyles
during our vacations.
Bret
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 10:33:47
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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SF Gate seems to think so
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/21/BAGMSO8BAM1.DTL
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 11:11:02
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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On Feb 14, 6:17 pm, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Feb 13, 7:39 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwh...@ti.com> wrote in
> > > Today it was beautiful weather.
> > Today beautiful? It was freezing ass cold if you were riding.
>
> I took off my shirt for the ladies.
>
> I was born and raised in the Land of Lake Effect Snow. It is
> downright balmy here.
>
> Did you know Lake Effect Snow is caused 40% by the war in iraq, and
> 60% by global warming?
If we don't stand up and fight the lakes in Iraq,
eventually we will have to fight them here. Do you
want a future in which illegal lakes are swarming
into America to commit terrorist acts of weather?
Ben
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 18:20:30
From:
Subject: Re: Floyd Landis event in San Francisco on Sunday
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There is also another event with Greg Lemond on Wednesday 2/21 at Palo
Alto Bicycles:
http://www.paloaltobicycles.com/events.html
Although the web site does not mention it, they ran an ad in
yesterday's Palo Alto Weekly indicating you need to call for
reservations. It looks like the event is free.
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 13:05:41
From: dbrower
Subject: Re: Floyd Landis event in San Francisco on Sunday
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There's a FFF event on Wednesday in San Jose that might be an
alternative for those who otherwise can't decide.
Details: http://trustbut.blogspot.com/2007/02/landisfff-san-jose-weds-
feb-21.html
-dB
On Feb 14, 2:17 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> > Particulars:
> > Date: Sunday, Feb. 18 (yes, Prologue day for ToCA)
> > Time: 7 pm
> > Locus: Jillian's, Metreon, 4th & Mission, SF
> > Benefits: the Floyd Fairness Fund (FFF), going toward his defense
>
> Why, why, WHY did they schedule it for the same time as the LeMond gig? I'd
> love to attend the Floyd Landis town hall. Dang. Even sent the guy a
> Christmas Card.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote in message
>
> news:FTIAh.22146$zH1.1748@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > I wrote:
> >>> Sunday night is a Floyd Landis event, for those who are interested:
> >>>http://www.floydfairnessfund.org/
>
> >> Dan: Do you have more info on the Floyd Landis event? I could only find a
> >> small reference to it on their website, with a link to the venue, but no
> >> mention on the venue's site about it.
>
> > taken from an email on the subject:
> > ------------
> > Greetings:
>
> > Some of you may recall my email from a couple weeks ago regarding a
> > possible Town Hall Meeting with Floyd Landis in San Francisco. Well, that
> > meeting day/time/place has been set, and his spokesman has asked if I can
> > help spread the word a bit, so...
>
> > Particulars:
> > Date: Sunday, Feb. 18 (yes, Prologue day for ToCA)
> > Time: 7 pm
> > Locus: Jillian's, Metreon, 4th & Mission, SF
> > Benefits: the Floyd Fairness Fund (FFF), going toward his defense
>
> > For more complete info, such as what's on the program and what
> > refreshments are included, go towww.floydfairnessfund.org. Those of you
> > who are on other club lists, such as BBC, if you can forward this message
> > to those lists, that would be great as well. Thanks for reading it. Ciao.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 17:17:45
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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On Feb 13, 7:39 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwh...@ti.com> wrote in
> > Today it was beautiful weather.
> Today beautiful? It was freezing ass cold if you were riding.
I took off my shirt for the ladies.
I was born and raised in the Land of Lake Effect Snow. It is
downright balmy here.
Did you know Lake Effect Snow is caused 40% by the war in iraq, and
60% by global warming?
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 07:18:34
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> On Feb 13, 7:39 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwh...@ti.com> wrote in
>
>>> Today it was beautiful weather.
>
>> Today beautiful? It was freezing ass cold if you were riding.
>
>
> I took off my shirt for the ladies.
>
>
> I was born and raised in the Land of Lake Effect Snow. It is
> downright balmy here.
>
>
> Did you know Lake Effect Snow is caused 40% by the war in iraq, and
> 60% by global warming?
>
I think you have "Lake Effect Snow" confused with "Nov. 2006 election
results".
Must be a momentary confusion. I noticed that, in another thread, you
(quite sensibly) placed the responsibility for all this with "assbags".
I think we can all agree to that, so long as we're not too picky about
which particular assbags.
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 02:36:37
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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"SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com > wrote in message
news:1171502264.928627.145330@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 7:39 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwh...@ti.com> wrote in
>
>> > Today it was beautiful weather.
>
>> Today beautiful? It was freezing ass cold if you were riding.
>
>
> I took off my shirt for the ladies.
>
>
> I was born and raised in the Land of Lake Effect Snow. It is
> downright balmy here.
>
>
> Did you know Lake Effect Snow is caused 40% by the war in iraq, and
> 60% by global warming?
Yes, I've also discovered that world terrorism is a direct result of global
warming. Those Muslim extremists are really mad that we're destroying their
nice clean deserts with our warmth.
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 10:07:21
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> Those Muslim extremists are really mad that we're destroying their
> nice clean deserts with our warmth.
Actually we're creating more deserts.
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 15:51:52
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:45d414fb$0$12605$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> Those Muslim extremists are really mad that we're destroying their
>> nice clean deserts with our warmth.
>
> Actually we're creating more deserts.
Did you think that growing crops with irrigration would come for free?
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 17:06:52
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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In article <STtAh.8150$4H1.1933@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net >,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
> because not much racing is going on.
>
> So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
> because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
> Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
I can tell you that there were at least three teams training in the foothills
around Gilroy and Morgan Hill yesterday.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 02:49:31
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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The Tour California matters a lot especially to the US cycling scene.
It gives a good basis to for a bigger Tour hopefully. It's too bad
however that the Tour of California is taking off when all this drug
controversy is going on. It will take cycling awhile to recover from
all of this.
On Feb 13, 10:21 pm, Diablo Scott <diabloscottN0S...@terra.es > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
> > because not much racing is going on.
>
> > So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
> > because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
> > Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
>
> > --Mike Jacoubowsky
>
> It'll matter to the fans about as much as it matters to the racers. I
> think we're past the point of being ecstatic to see riders like Bettini
> and Simoni just show up and let the locals fight it out. It's OK with
> me if Leipheimer or Zabriskie wins, but if all the other big names treat
> it as a vacation it'll never "matter" on the calendar.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 01:51:28
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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On Feb 13, 10:21 pm, Diablo Scott <diabloscottN0S...@terra.es > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
> > because not much racing is going on.
>
> > So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
> > because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
> > Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
>
> > --Mike Jacoubowsky
>
> It'll matter to the fans about as much as it matters to the racers. I
> think we're past the point of being ecstatic to see riders like Bettini
> and Simoni just show up and let the locals fight it out. It's OK with
> me if Leipheimer or Zabriskie wins, but if all the other big names treat
> it as a vacation it'll never "matter" on the calendar.
What is it worth in UCI points?
That's what makes races matter.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 13:46:49
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> What is it worth in UCI points?
>
> That's what makes races matter.
>
>
Professional racing is a keting enterprise. Many factors go into the
success of a race. UCI points are just one motivator for rider success.
But in the end, the real issue is the ability of riders to draw
positive exposure to products and services.
A key to the success of a race is fan interest. People need to get out
and participate. I hope folks reading this within striking distance of
the race don't adopt the "it's better on TV" approach. Get out there
and be a part of it! Even a 5-second live view is better than a
50-minute view of glowing LCDs or flipping mirrors.
Other events, too, like the hillclimb on Saturday:
http://www.sanjoseca.gov/kingofthemountain.html
Saturday night is a pre-race event @ City Cycle:
http://www.citycycle.com/
Sunday night is a Floyd Landis event, for those who are interested:
http://www.floydfairnessfund.org/
The Sunday night LeMond-Liggett event on the 1989 Tour de France is sold
out....
Dan
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 18:34:44
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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> Sunday night is a Floyd Landis event, for those who are interested:
> http://www.floydfairnessfund.org/
Dan: Do you have more info on the Floyd Landis event? I could only find a
small reference to it on their website, with a link to the venue, but no
mention on the venue's site about it.
Thanks-
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
news:dpEAh.22086$zH1.20734@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>> What is it worth in UCI points?
>>
>> That's what makes races matter.
>>
>>
>
> Professional racing is a keting enterprise. Many factors go into the
> success of a race. UCI points are just one motivator for rider success.
> But in the end, the real issue is the ability of riders to draw positive
> exposure to products and services.
>
> A key to the success of a race is fan interest. People need to get out
> and participate. I hope folks reading this within striking distance of
> the race don't adopt the "it's better on TV" approach. Get out there and
> be a part of it! Even a 5-second live view is better than a 50-minute
> view of glowing LCDs or flipping mirrors.
>
>
> Other events, too, like the hillclimb on Saturday:
> http://www.sanjoseca.gov/kingofthemountain.html
>
> Saturday night is a pre-race event @ City Cycle:
> http://www.citycycle.com/
>
> Sunday night is a Floyd Landis event, for those who are interested:
> http://www.floydfairnessfund.org/
>
> The Sunday night LeMond-Liggett event on the 1989 Tour de France is sold
> out....
>
> Dan
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 18:52:21
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Floyd Landis event in San Francisco on Sunday
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
I wrote:
>> Sunday night is a Floyd Landis event, for those who are interested:
>> http://www.floydfairnessfund.org/
>
> Dan: Do you have more info on the Floyd Landis event? I could only find a
> small reference to it on their website, with a link to the venue, but no
> mention on the venue's site about it.
taken from an email on the subject:
------------
Greetings:
Some of you may recall my email from a couple weeks ago regarding a
possible Town Hall Meeting with Floyd Landis in San Francisco. Well,
that meeting day/time/place has been set, and his spokesman has asked if
I can help spread the word a bit, so...
Particulars:
Date: Sunday, Feb. 18 (yes, Prologue day for ToCA)
Time: 7 pm
Locus: Jillian's, Metreon, 4th & Mission, SF
Benefits: the Floyd Fairness Fund (FFF), going toward his defense
For more complete info, such as what's on the program and what
refreshments are included, go to www.floydfairnessfund.org. Those of you
who are on other club lists, such as BBC, if you can forward this
message to those lists, that would be great as well. Thanks for reading
it. Ciao.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 22:17:13
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Floyd Landis event in San Francisco on Sunday
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> Particulars:
> Date: Sunday, Feb. 18 (yes, Prologue day for ToCA)
> Time: 7 pm
> Locus: Jillian's, Metreon, 4th & Mission, SF
> Benefits: the Floyd Fairness Fund (FFF), going toward his defense
Why, why, WHY did they schedule it for the same time as the LeMond gig? I'd
love to attend the Floyd Landis town hall. Dang. Even sent the guy a
Christmas Card.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
news:FTIAh.22146$zH1.1748@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> I wrote:
>>> Sunday night is a Floyd Landis event, for those who are interested:
>>> http://www.floydfairnessfund.org/
>>
>> Dan: Do you have more info on the Floyd Landis event? I could only find a
>> small reference to it on their website, with a link to the venue, but no
>> mention on the venue's site about it.
>
> taken from an email on the subject:
> ------------
> Greetings:
>
> Some of you may recall my email from a couple weeks ago regarding a
> possible Town Hall Meeting with Floyd Landis in San Francisco. Well, that
> meeting day/time/place has been set, and his spokesman has asked if I can
> help spread the word a bit, so...
>
> Particulars:
> Date: Sunday, Feb. 18 (yes, Prologue day for ToCA)
> Time: 7 pm
> Locus: Jillian's, Metreon, 4th & Mission, SF
> Benefits: the Floyd Fairness Fund (FFF), going toward his defense
>
> For more complete info, such as what's on the program and what
> refreshments are included, go to www.floydfairnessfund.org. Those of you
> who are on other club lists, such as BBC, if you can forward this message
> to those lists, that would be great as well. Thanks for reading it. Ciao.
>
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Date: 13 Feb 2007 22:21:33
From: Diablo Scott
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
> because not much racing is going on.
>
> So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
> because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
> Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
It'll matter to the fans about as much as it matters to the racers. I
think we're past the point of being ecstatic to see riders like Bettini
and Simoni just show up and let the locals fight it out. It's OK with
me if Leipheimer or Zabriskie wins, but if all the other big names treat
it as a vacation it'll never "matter" on the calendar.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 06:11:07
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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> People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
> because not much racing is going on.
>
> So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real"
race
> because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
> Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
>
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who won?
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Date: 13 Feb 2007 19:33:49
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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On Feb 13, 5:48 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
> because not much racing is going on.
>
> So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
> because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
> Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
Well I'm hoping it is a real race because I'm going downtown Monday to
watch the finish. I just hope it doesn't rain. Today it was
beautiful weather. I hope it holds out!
But I really want to get out Tuesday on Trinity Grade. That is a rude-
ass climb. (Although there are worse not far away.) I've done it.
Going *down* the other side isn't easy either. Too bad it isn't
closer to the finish.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 03:39:19
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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"SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com > wrote in message
news:1171424029.490594.259950@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 13, 5:48 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>> People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
>> because not much racing is going on.
>>
>> So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real"
>> race
>> because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>>
>> Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
>
>
> Well I'm hoping it is a real race because I'm going downtown Monday to
> watch the finish. I just hope it doesn't rain. Today it was
> beautiful weather. I hope it holds out!
>
> But I really want to get out Tuesday on Trinity Grade. That is a rude-
> ass climb. (Although there are worse not far away.) I've done it.
> Going *down* the other side isn't easy either. Too bad it isn't
> closer to the finish.
Today beautiful? It was freezing ass cold if you were riding. Although it
was a good 15 degrees warmer today than it was a couple of weeks ago, it
actually felt colder when riding because of the high humidity.
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Date: 13 Feb 2007 21:08:23
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Does Tour of California matter?
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:48:38 -0800, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
>People are complaining that there's no discussion of racing going on,
>because not much racing is going on.
>
>So what does that mean about the Tour of California? It's not a "real" race
>because? Or has it simply been overlooked?
>
>Just trying to get something started about racing, y'know?
I can't comment on that, but am hopeful we'll get some ridiculously
high-res photographes from enthusiasts who see it.
--
JT
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