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Date: 22 Jul 2007 04:50:49
From: Michael.
Subject: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
chances?
He barely gets a mention in this forum, hardly anything positive of
him on most web sites (cyclingnews.com being perhaps an exception) and
the team on Versus don't even seem to know that he is in the race.
Yet; he was second only to a storming Vino in today's TT, boding well
for the final TT in a few days, and he has been matching the attacks
in the mountains better and more consistently than anyone.
So what am I missing, why is he not being talked about as strong
contender for the overall?
Michael.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 14:59:50
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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On Jul 22, 1:48 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jul 22, 3:40 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > in message <1185079849.633417.217...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Michael.
>
> > ('michael.john.con...@gmail.com') wrote:
> > > I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
> > > chances?
>
> > Did you see his performance today? That's why no one is talking up his
> > chances. When he can't hold the wheel in front, all he can do is to wait
> > for another wheel to come by and try to suck that.
>
> > You can get second on the podium being a wheelsucker, if you're very, very
> > lucky. You can't get first.
>
> dumbass,
>
> sure you can. that's how savoldelli won the giro two years ago.
Dumbass -
Perriero almost did it last year.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 18:22:41
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:59:50 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni
<kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
>On Jul 22, 1:48 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 3:40 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > in message <1185079849.633417.217...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Michael.
>>
>> > ('michael.john.con...@gmail.com') wrote:
>> > > I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
>> > > chances?
>>
>> > Did you see his performance today? That's why no one is talking up his
>> > chances. When he can't hold the wheel in front, all he can do is to wait
>> > for another wheel to come by and try to suck that.
>>
>> > You can get second on the podium being a wheelsucker, if you're very, very
>> > lucky. You can't get first.
>>
>> dumbass,
>>
>> sure you can. that's how savoldelli won the giro two years ago.
>Dumbass -
>Perriero almost did it last year.
Dumbass, Pereiro was in a long breakaway working to get time.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 20:48:33
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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On Jul 22, 3:40 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <1185079849.633417.217...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Michael.
>
> ('michael.john.con...@gmail.com') wrote:
> > I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
> > chances?
>
> Did you see his performance today? That's why no one is talking up his
> chances. When he can't hold the wheel in front, all he can do is to wait
> for another wheel to come by and try to suck that.
>
> You can get second on the podium being a wheelsucker, if you're very, very
> lucky. You can't get first.
dumbass,
sure you can. that's how savoldelli won the giro two years ago.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 20:23:54
From: Michael.
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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On Jul 22, 3:40 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <1185079849.633417.217...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Michael.
>
> ('michael.john.con...@gmail.com') wrote:
> > I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
> > chances?
>
> Did you see his performance today? That's why no one is talking up his
> chances. When he can't hold the wheel in front, all he can do is to wait
> for another wheel to come by and try to suck that.
>
> You can get second on the podium being a wheelsucker, if you're very, very
> lucky. You can't get first.
I seem to recall a large Spaniard who adopted a similar approach -
i.e. wheel suck the true climbers and limit his losses, confident that
he could get minutes out of them in the flat TTs - to great success.
Now, Evans is no Indurain, but still ....
>
> --
> si...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 20:40:09
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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in message <1185079849.633417.217120@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com >, Michael.
('michael.john.conway@gmail.com') wrote:
> I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
> chances?
Did you see his performance today? That's why no one is talking up his
chances. When he can't hold the wheel in front, all he can do is to wait
for another wheel to come by and try to suck that.
You can get second on the podium being a wheelsucker, if you're very, very
lucky. You can't get first.
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simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 04:19:26
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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On Jul 22, 12:49 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk >
wrote:
> Michael. <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
> > chances?
> > He barely gets a mention in this forum, hardly anything positive of
> > him on most web sites (cyclingnews.com being perhaps an exception) and
> > the team on Versus don't even seem to know that he is in the race.
> > Yet; he was second only to a storming Vino in today's TT, boding well
> > for the final TT in a few days, and he has been matching the attacks
> > in the mountains better and more consistently than anyone.
> > So what am I missing, why is he not being talked about as strong
> > contender for the overall?
>
> Pressently Evans has the best chance to win i Paris, assuming Astana
> doesn't put all their balls in the hands of Vinukorov or Rasmussen rides
> conservativly. However if the race explodes in the next 3 stages he is
> not my favorite. A chrage form Rasmussen and/or Vikukurov and i think
> Evans will have to fight for 2nd.
Dumbass -
Rasmussen doesn't "charge". He can't attack and drop people - he
doesn't have a big change of pace in him.
What he is good at is riding hard for a very long time. It serves him
well in long range attacks in situations where he is unmarked but when
he's in yellow he won't be going off the front. No change of pace.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 20:41:49
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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in message <1185103166.978132.19630@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com >, Kurgan
Gringioni ('kgringioni@hotmail.com') wrote:
> Rasmussen doesn't "charge". He can't attack and drop people - he
> doesn't have a big change of pace in him.
Really? Who was it who was wearing yellow today, then?
> What he is good at is riding hard for a very long time. It serves him
> well in long range attacks in situations where he is unmarked but when
> he's in yellow he won't be going off the front.
Another prediction bites the dust.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; "If I were a Microsoft Public Relations person, I would probably
;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 17:35:56
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Rasmussen doesn't "charge". He can't attack and drop people - he
> doesn't have a big change of pace in him.
>
> What he is good at is riding hard for a very long time. It serves him
> well in long range attacks in situations where he is unmarked but when
> he's in yellow he won't be going off the front. No change of pace.
Dumbass,
Now that the Tour is clean, things are different. Today was proof
of that.
I guess you guys that thought The Pledge was worthless are really
eating shit now.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 14:41:20
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:35:56 GMT, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>> Dumbass -
>>
>>
>> Rasmussen doesn't "charge". He can't attack and drop people - he
>> doesn't have a big change of pace in him.
>>
>> What he is good at is riding hard for a very long time. It serves him
>> well in long range attacks in situations where he is unmarked but when
>> he's in yellow he won't be going off the front. No change of pace.
>
>Dumbass,
>
>Now that the Tour is clean, things are different. Today was proof
>of that.
>
>I guess you guys that thought The Pledge was worthless are really
>eating shit now.
Huh? We have no more or fewer failed dope tests now than at this point last
year. 'Sokay, they've got another week to screw up another sample.
I really don't think anyone is any dirtier or cleaner than last year. Vino is
still a frothing maniac and Rasmussen's still a freak - what's new.
Ron
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 17:24:11
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > Pressently Evans has the best chance to win i Paris, assuming Astana
> > doesn't put all their balls in the hands of Vinukorov or Rasmussen rides
> > conservativly. However if the race explodes in the next 3 stages he is
> > not my favorite. A chrage form Rasmussen and/or Vikukurov and i think
> > Evans will have to fight for 2nd.
>
> Dumbass -
> Rasmussen doesn't "charge". He can't attack and drop people - he
> doesn't have a big change of pace in him.
Do you still think he can't drop anyone? He used Soler and Contador to
drop Evans today like they where his puppets.
> What he is good at is riding hard for a very long time. It serves him
> well in long range attacks in situations where he is unmarked but when
> he's in yellow he won't be going off the front. No change of pace.
Now who's the dumbaas?
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 10:26:33
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185103166.978132.19630@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Rasmussen doesn't "charge". He can't attack and drop people - he
> doesn't have a big change of pace in him.
>
> What he is good at is riding hard for a very long time. It serves him
> well in long range attacks in situations where he is unmarked but when
> he's in yellow he won't be going off the front. No change of pace.
>
Say what?
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:05:36
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:19:26 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>On Jul 22, 12:49 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk>
>wrote:
>> Michael. <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
>> > chances?
>> > He barely gets a mention in this forum, hardly anything positive of
>> > him on most web sites (cyclingnews.com being perhaps an exception) and
>> > the team on Versus don't even seem to know that he is in the race.
>> > Yet; he was second only to a storming Vino in today's TT, boding well
>> > for the final TT in a few days, and he has been matching the attacks
>> > in the mountains better and more consistently than anyone.
>> > So what am I missing, why is he not being talked about as strong
>> > contender for the overall?
>>
>> Pressently Evans has the best chance to win i Paris, assuming Astana
>> doesn't put all their balls in the hands of Vinukorov or Rasmussen rides
>> conservativly. However if the race explodes in the next 3 stages he is
>> not my favorite. A chrage form Rasmussen and/or Vikukurov and i think
>> Evans will have to fight for 2nd.
>
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>
>Rasmussen doesn't "charge". He can't attack and drop people - he
>doesn't have a big change of pace in him.
>
>What he is good at is riding hard for a very long time. It serves him
>well in long range attacks in situations where he is unmarked but when
>he's in yellow he won't be going off the front. No change of pace.
>
I don't think they'll be able to do anything about him. He won't sprint away
from anyone on the flat, but on a stage with two HC climbs, he doesn't need to.
Ron
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:49:56
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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Michael. <michael.john.conway@gmail.com > wrote:
> I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
> chances?
> He barely gets a mention in this forum, hardly anything positive of
> him on most web sites (cyclingnews.com being perhaps an exception) and
> the team on Versus don't even seem to know that he is in the race.
> Yet; he was second only to a storming Vino in today's TT, boding well
> for the final TT in a few days, and he has been matching the attacks
> in the mountains better and more consistently than anyone.
> So what am I missing, why is he not being talked about as strong
> contender for the overall?
Pressently Evans has the best chance to win i Paris, assuming Astana
doesn't put all their balls in the hands of Vinukorov or Rasmussen rides
conservativly. However if the race explodes in the next 3 stages he is
not my favorite. A chrage form Rasmussen and/or Vikukurov and i think
Evans will have to fight for 2nd.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 22:29:52
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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Michael. wrote:
> I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
> chances?
>
> He barely gets a mention in this forum, hardly anything positive of
> him on most web sites (cyclingnews.com being perhaps an exception) and
> the team on Versus don't even seem to know that he is in the race.
>
> Yet; he was second only to a storming Vino in today's TT, boding well
> for the final TT in a few days, and he has been matching the attacks
> in the mountains better and more consistently than anyone.
>
> So what am I missing, why is he not being talked about as strong
> contender for the overall?
Huh. I thought it was on Versus this morning that Phil/Paul declared
Evans was now (in their minds) the favorite. I could be remembering
wrongly.
Mark J.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 17:54:10
From: Stu Fleming
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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Mark wrote:
> Michael. wrote:
>> I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
>> chances?
>>
>> He barely gets a mention in this forum, hardly anything positive of
>> him on most web sites (cyclingnews.com being perhaps an exception) and
>> the team on Versus don't even seem to know that he is in the race.
>>
>> Yet; he was second only to a storming Vino in today's TT, boding well
>> for the final TT in a few days, and he has been matching the attacks
>> in the mountains better and more consistently than anyone.
>>
>> So what am I missing, why is he not being talked about as strong
>> contender for the overall?
>
> Huh. I thought it was on Versus this morning that Phil/Paul declared
> Evans was now (in their minds) the favorite. I could be remembering
> wrongly.
Hmmm. I called Evans for last years Tour.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 23:19:04
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Evans - Is he really that invisible?
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Stu Fleming wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>> Michael. wrote:
>>> I don't get it, why is it that virtually no one is talking up Evan's
>>> chances?
>>>
>>> He barely gets a mention in this forum, hardly anything positive of
>>> him on most web sites (cyclingnews.com being perhaps an exception) and
>>> the team on Versus don't even seem to know that he is in the race.
>>>
>>> Yet; he was second only to a storming Vino in today's TT, boding well
>>> for the final TT in a few days, and he has been matching the attacks
>>> in the mountains better and more consistently than anyone.
>>>
>>> So what am I missing, why is he not being talked about as strong
>>> contender for the overall?
>>
>> Huh. I thought it was on Versus this morning that Phil/Paul declared
>> Evans was now (in their minds) the favorite. I could be remembering
>> wrongly.
>
> Hmmm. I called Evans for last years Tour.
Last year he didn't have a chance because of all the dopers. But NOW
that the tour's clean...
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