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Date: 28 Apr 2007 17:06:54
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Fatty Master's Survey
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It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category riders
but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform some statistical
analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self reporting bias) to put a
number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my Stats class.
OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please submit
your weight and age to me at namlohip@comcast.net. Don't be shy and
please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my racing weight
if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my bike more often"
please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
Thanks
Phil H
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Date: 03 May 2007 10:43:32
From: Fred Pan
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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"Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote in message
news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
> It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category riders
> but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform some statistical
> analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self reporting bias) to put a
> number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my Stats class.
>
> OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>
> Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please submit your
> weight and age to me at namlohip@comcast.net. Don't be shy and please tell
> the truth. I don't want any "this would be my racing weight if I could
> keep my face out of the fridge and ride my bike more often" please. I need
> at least 10 in both age categories.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil H
>
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 215lbs. (hopefully on my way to 210 or lower in a month or so)
Age: 41
Race mostly open category races when available.
Fred
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Date: 03 May 2007 09:28:59
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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Fred Pan wrote:
> Height: 6'3"
> Weight: 215lbs. (hopefully on my way to 210 or lower in a month or so)
26.9
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 19:49:47
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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On Apr 29, 8:24 pm, "Mark Fennell" <marco_fenne...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> >From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters
> > Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
> > too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
> > difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
> > in speed up the climbs was very apparent.
>
> But you've already biased your observations because, like you say, you were
> looking at the Fatties in the races that weren't as topographically
> challenging.
Dumbass -
Read more carefully.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 18:52:41
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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On Apr 29, 7:17 pm, "Mark Fennell" <marco_fenne...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Phil Holman wrote:
> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category riders
> > but "by how much"...
>
> Since this is rec.bicycles.RACING, I assume you are only interested in
> people that race. If so, I wonder how true your hypothesis really is...
>
> OTOH, if you're actually interested in all the recreational cycling
> population, then no doubt you are correct.
>
> Re racers... I see a lot of 20-something racers, especially in the beginning
> categories, that still have what looks like a layer of "baby fat". No
> visible veins, no ripped muscles. That's not to say they are slow--youthful
> lungs and cardio-vascular systems are worth a lot.
>
> So I think you should add another item to your list, namely whether the
> person is an active racer, and maybe even a measure of how much racing
> he/she does.
Dumbass -
>From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters
Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
in speed up the climbs was very apparent.
The local Masters Fatties aren't lacking that much wattage compared to
the local 1/2s. But they don't do as much training, they don't recover
from hard efforts quite as well and they definitely weigh more. There
are some exceptions, like the 40+ Chris Walker who were (are?) still
competitive. But notice that dude trains a lot and never got fat.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 19:24:54
From: Mark Fennell
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters
> Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
> too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
> difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
> in speed up the climbs was very apparent.
But you've already biased your observations because, like you say, you were
looking at the Fatties in the races that weren't as topographically
challenging.
I'll soften my earlier statement to say that the Masters you'll find at road
races are not fatter than the 20-35 year-olds at those same races. Perhaps
even they are leaner, especially if you include the 35+ folks doing the
category races.
Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 19:18:56
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1177897961.887301.282410@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 29, 7:17 pm, "Mark Fennell" <marco_fenne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Phil Holman wrote:
>> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
>> > riders
>> > but "by how much"...
>>
>> Since this is rec.bicycles.RACING, I assume you are only interested
>> in
>> people that race. If so, I wonder how true your hypothesis really
>> is...
>>
>> OTOH, if you're actually interested in all the recreational cycling
>> population, then no doubt you are correct.
>>
>> Re racers... I see a lot of 20-something racers, especially in the
>> beginning
>> categories, that still have what looks like a layer of "baby fat". No
>> visible veins, no ripped muscles. That's not to say they are
>> slow--youthful
>> lungs and cardio-vascular systems are worth a lot.
>>
>> So I think you should add another item to your list, namely whether
>> the
>> person is an active racer, and maybe even a measure of how much
>> racing
>> he/she does.
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
>>From 1998-2001 I used to do about 80% Cat1/2 races vs. 20% Masters
> Fattie races. Typically I'd do the Masters Fattie races when there was
> too much climbing for me to be competitive in the 1/2 race. The
> difference I saw was pretty significant: 15-20 lbs. and the difference
> in speed up the climbs was very apparent.
>
> The local Masters Fatties aren't lacking that much wattage compared to
> the local 1/2s. But they don't do as much training, they don't recover
> from hard efforts quite as well and they definitely weigh more. There
> are some exceptions, like the 40+ Chris Walker who were (are?) still
> competitive. But notice that dude trains a lot and never got fat.
>
Dumbass
Give me your stats. Remember, this is a study of rbr posters.
Thanks
Phil H
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 18:17:37
From: Mark Fennell
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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Phil Holman wrote:
> It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category riders
> but "by how much"...
Since this is rec.bicycles.RACING, I assume you are only interested in
people that race. If so, I wonder how true your hypothesis really is...
OTOH, if you're actually interested in all the recreational cycling
population, then no doubt you are correct.
Re racers... I see a lot of 20-something racers, especially in the beginning
categories, that still have what looks like a layer of "baby fat". No
visible veins, no ripped muscles. That's not to say they are slow--youthful
lungs and cardio-vascular systems are worth a lot.
So I think you should add another item to your list, namely whether the
person is an active racer, and maybe even a measure of how much racing
he/she does.
My $0.02
Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 18:46:46
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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"Mark Fennell" <marco_fennelli@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:OsbZh.287060$6P2.179394@newsfe16.phx...
> Phil Holman wrote:
>> It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
>> riders but "by how much"...
>
> Since this is rec.bicycles.RACING, I assume you are only interested in
> people that race. If so, I wonder how true your hypothesis really
> is...
>
> OTOH, if you're actually interested in all the recreational cycling
> population, then no doubt you are correct.
>
> Re racers... I see a lot of 20-something racers, especially in the
> beginning categories, that still have what looks like a layer of "baby
> fat". No visible veins, no ripped muscles. That's not to say they are
> slow--youthful lungs and cardio-vascular systems are worth a lot.
>
> So I think you should add another item to your list, namely whether
> the person is an active racer, and maybe even a measure of how much
> racing he/she does.
>
> My $0.02
Thanks Mark, by using the terms Master and Open Category, my intention
was for this to be a study of racers or ex-racers. The null hypothesis
is, there is no difference in mean weight, corrected for height. The
alternate hypothesis is that masters are significantly heavier (fatter).
I'll probably do a one tailed t-test for a difference of two means and
also calculate the 95% confidence interval.
I still need at least another 12 volunteers.
Phil H
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 16:19:50
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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On Apr 29, 7:17 pm, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1177885349.825825.40230@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 6:20 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Apr 29, 5:44 pm, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>
> >> > "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >> >news:1177879762.459511.304170@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > > On Apr 29, 11:02 am, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
> >> > >> Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct
> >> > >> for it
> >> > >> should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
>
> >> > >> Weight
> >> > >> Age
> >> > >> Height
> >> > >> Send to namlo...@comcast.net.
>
> >> > >> Thanks
>
> >> > >> Phil H
>
> >> > >> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote in message
>
> >> > >>news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> >> > >> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open
> >> > >> > category
> >> > >> > riders but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform
> >> > >> > some
> >> > >> > statistical analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self
> >> > >> > reporting
> >> > >> > bias) to put a number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my
> >> > >> > Stats
> >> > >> > class.
>
> >> > >> > OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>
> >> > >> > Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please
> >> > >> > submit
> >> > >> > your weight and age to me at namlo...@comcast.net. Don't be
> >> > >> > shy and
> >> > >> > please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my
> >> > >> > racing
> >> > >> > weight if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my
> >> > >> > bike
> >> > >> > more
> >> > >> > often" please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
>
> >> > >> > Thanks
>
> >> > >> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > > I could really skew your results so I wont. To get a decent
> >> > > handle on
> >> > > things before yet another surgery I wanted to find out where I
> >> > > was.
> >> > > I'm still 5'10" and both electrical impedance and measurement put
> >> > > my
> >> > > lean body mass at 185lbs, which is cool because I haven't lost
> >> > > much
> >> > > muscle while getting fat.
>
> >> > What a dilemma, you could skew the result by not submitting your
> >> > data. I
> >> > still need quite a few more volunteers.......so, age and total body
> >> > weight puleeeeeeze.
>
> >> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> Ok 5'10, 285, Masters 35+.
> >> Bill C- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > make that 40+.
> > Bill C
>
> Both work. In keeping with a modicum of statistical integrity, I'll omit
> any outliers from the analysis. Or should that be outliars :)
>
> Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I keep thinking I'm younger than I am. Don't know where the time has
gone ;-)
Bill C
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 15:22:29
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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On Apr 29, 6:20 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Apr 29, 5:44 pm, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:1177879762.459511.304170@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Apr 29, 11:02 am, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
> > >> Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct for it
> > >> should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
>
> > >> Weight
> > >> Age
> > >> Height
> > >> Send to namlo...@comcast.net.
>
> > >> Thanks
>
> > >> Phil H
>
> > >> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> > >> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
> > >> > riders but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform some
> > >> > statistical analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self
> > >> > reporting
> > >> > bias) to put a number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my
> > >> > Stats
> > >> > class.
>
> > >> > OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>
> > >> > Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please
> > >> > submit
> > >> > your weight and age to me at namlo...@comcast.net. Don't be shy and
> > >> > please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my racing
> > >> > weight if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my bike
> > >> > more
> > >> > often" please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
>
> > >> > Thanks
>
> > >> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I could really skew your results so I wont. To get a decent handle on
> > > things before yet another surgery I wanted to find out where I was.
> > > I'm still 5'10" and both electrical impedance and measurement put my
> > > lean body mass at 185lbs, which is cool because I haven't lost much
> > > muscle while getting fat.
>
> > What a dilemma, you could skew the result by not submitting your data. I
> > still need quite a few more volunteers.......so, age and total body
> > weight puleeeeeeze.
>
> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Ok 5'10, 285, Masters 35+.
> Bill C- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
make that 40+.
Bill C
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 16:17:00
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1177885349.825825.40230@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 29, 6:20 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Apr 29, 5:44 pm, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:1177879762.459511.304170@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > On Apr 29, 11:02 am, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>> > >> Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct
>> > >> for it
>> > >> should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
>>
>> > >> Weight
>> > >> Age
>> > >> Height
>> > >> Send to namlo...@comcast.net.
>>
>> > >> Thanks
>>
>> > >> Phil H
>>
>> > >> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote in message
>>
>> > >>news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> > >> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open
>> > >> > category
>> > >> > riders but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform
>> > >> > some
>> > >> > statistical analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self
>> > >> > reporting
>> > >> > bias) to put a number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my
>> > >> > Stats
>> > >> > class.
>>
>> > >> > OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>>
>> > >> > Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please
>> > >> > submit
>> > >> > your weight and age to me at namlo...@comcast.net. Don't be
>> > >> > shy and
>> > >> > please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my
>> > >> > racing
>> > >> > weight if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my
>> > >> > bike
>> > >> > more
>> > >> > often" please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
>>
>> > >> > Thanks
>>
>> > >> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > > I could really skew your results so I wont. To get a decent
>> > > handle on
>> > > things before yet another surgery I wanted to find out where I
>> > > was.
>> > > I'm still 5'10" and both electrical impedance and measurement put
>> > > my
>> > > lean body mass at 185lbs, which is cool because I haven't lost
>> > > much
>> > > muscle while getting fat.
>>
>> > What a dilemma, you could skew the result by not submitting your
>> > data. I
>> > still need quite a few more volunteers.......so, age and total body
>> > weight puleeeeeeze.
>>
>> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Ok 5'10, 285, Masters 35+.
>> Bill C- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> make that 40+.
> Bill C
Both work. In keeping with a modicum of statistical integrity, I'll omit
any outliers from the analysis. Or should that be outliars :)
Phil H
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 15:20:04
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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On Apr 29, 5:44 pm, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1177879762.459511.304170@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 11:02 am, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
> >> Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct for it
> >> should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
>
> >> Weight
> >> Age
> >> Height
> >> Send to namlo...@comcast.net.
>
> >> Thanks
>
> >> Phil H
>
> >> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote in message
>
> >>news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> >> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
> >> > riders but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform some
> >> > statistical analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self
> >> > reporting
> >> > bias) to put a number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my
> >> > Stats
> >> > class.
>
> >> > OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>
> >> > Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please
> >> > submit
> >> > your weight and age to me at namlo...@comcast.net. Don't be shy and
> >> > please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my racing
> >> > weight if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my bike
> >> > more
> >> > often" please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
>
> >> > Thanks
>
> >> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I could really skew your results so I wont. To get a decent handle on
> > things before yet another surgery I wanted to find out where I was.
> > I'm still 5'10" and both electrical impedance and measurement put my
> > lean body mass at 185lbs, which is cool because I haven't lost much
> > muscle while getting fat.
>
> What a dilemma, you could skew the result by not submitting your data. I
> still need quite a few more volunteers.......so, age and total body
> weight puleeeeeeze.
>
> Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ok 5'10, 285, Masters 35+.
Bill C
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 13:49:22
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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On Apr 29, 11:02 am, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote:
> Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct for it
> should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
>
> Weight
> Age
> Height
> Send to namlo...@comcast.net.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil H
>
> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote in message
>
> news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>
>
> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
> > riders but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform some
> > statistical analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self reporting
> > bias) to put a number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my Stats
> > class.
>
> > OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>
> > Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please submit
> > your weight and age to me at namlo...@comcast.net. Don't be shy and
> > please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my racing
> > weight if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my bike more
> > often" please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I could really skew your results so I wont. To get a decent handle on
things before yet another surgery I wanted to find out where I was.
I'm still 5'10" and both electrical impedance and measurement put my
lean body mass at 185lbs, which is cool because I haven't lost much
muscle while getting fat.
Bill C
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 14:44:31
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1177879762.459511.304170@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 29, 11:02 am, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote:
>> Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct for it
>> should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
>>
>> Weight
>> Age
>> Height
>> Send to namlo...@comcast.net.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Phil H
>>
>> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote in message
>>
>> news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
>> > riders but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform some
>> > statistical analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self
>> > reporting
>> > bias) to put a number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my
>> > Stats
>> > class.
>>
>> > OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>>
>> > Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please
>> > submit
>> > your weight and age to me at namlo...@comcast.net. Don't be shy and
>> > please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my racing
>> > weight if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my bike
>> > more
>> > often" please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
>>
>> > Thanks
>>
>> > Phil H- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I could really skew your results so I wont. To get a decent handle on
> things before yet another surgery I wanted to find out where I was.
> I'm still 5'10" and both electrical impedance and measurement put my
> lean body mass at 185lbs, which is cool because I haven't lost much
> muscle while getting fat.
What a dilemma, you could skew the result by not submitting your data. I
still need quite a few more volunteers.......so, age and total body
weight puleeeeeeze.
Phil H
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Date: 29 Apr 2007 08:02:16
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct for it
should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
Weight
Age
Height
Send to namlohip@comcast.net.
Thanks
Phil H
"Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote in message
news:OqKdneJ4G_w6fK7bnZ2dnUVZ_qCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
> It isn't a question of "if" masters are fatter than open category
> riders but "by how much". I'd like to do a survey and perform some
> statistical analysis (I'm ignoring self-selection and self reporting
> bias) to put a number on it. It's also a nifty exercise for my Stats
> class.
>
> OK, I'm looking for volunteers from each group.
>
> Open category/fatty masters cutoff is 35 years of age. Please submit
> your weight and age to me at namlohip@comcast.net. Don't be shy and
> please tell the truth. I don't want any "this would be my racing
> weight if I could keep my face out of the fridge and ride my bike more
> often" please. I need at least 10 in both age categories.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil H
>
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 07:39:19
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:02:16 -0700, "Phil Holman"
<piholmanc@yourservice > wrote:
>Per a suggestion, please include your height so I can correct for it
>should there be a significant difference between the two groups.
>
>Weight
>Age
>Height
158 lbs
41 or 42 years old
5'10"
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 16:18:47
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Fatty Master's Survey
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Phil Holman wrote:
>>Weight
>>Age
>>Height
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> 158 lbs
> 41 or 42 years old
> 5'10"
67.5-68Kg
40 (please don't tell any 20 year old chicks I might attempt to pick up)
1.8m
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