First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

bicycle-forum.net
Promoting biking discussion.

Main

Date: 04 Aug 2007 02:16:12
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
problems finding a new sponsor.

A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
cleansing the sport of the cheats.

Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:13:17
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 5, 11:48 pm, mitosis <mitosis.2uv...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote:
> hizar...@yahoo.com Wrote:
>
> > The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> > that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> > sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> > companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> > problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> > A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> > cleansing the sport of the cheats.
>
> NOt on a first offence but certainly on a second. You have to
> understand the pressures that must be on new cyclists from coaches,
> trainers and mostly from other cyclists who try to justify taking
> themelves by claiming that everyone does it.
>
> So give them the benefit of the doubt first time. If the make the same
> "mistake" again then yes - out for life IMO.
>
> But don't stop at the cyclists. It is difficult to accept that team
> officials don't know what is going on. They should get no chances and
> be out for life on first offence (a cyclist on their team gets caught a
> team member is strongly implicated - carrying drugs etc).
>
> --
> mitosis

dear yourtosis,

do you eat energy bars? use caffeine? gatorade? pasta?
what is the effect?
why do you do these incroyable disgusting acts?
because you're an intolerant Nazi playing chess?
or because you extended your limits riding a bicycle and want to
extend that limt NOW!
because its cool, it feels good, itsa rush, it relieves pain, you fly
over the road at day's end instead of crushing your body systems with
the last 5 miles.
now why would you kill these other riders? it all one thing. not
seperate acts, one act.
life. you are what you eat. starch fat protein cliff bars plus water.

Date: 08 Aug 2007 13:39:14
From: mitosis
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

datakoll Wrote:
> On Aug 5, 11:48 pm, mitosis <mitosis.2uv...@no-
> mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> > hizar...@yahoo.com Wrote:
> >
> > > The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for an
> rider
> > > that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> > > sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola man
> other
> > > companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> > > problems finding a new sponsor.
> >
> > > A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> > > cleansing the sport of the cheats.
> >
> > NOt on a first offence but certainly on a second. You have to
> > understand the pressures that must be on new cyclists from coaches,
> > trainers and mostly from other cyclists who try to justify taking
> > themelves by claiming that everyone does it.
> >
> > So give them the benefit of the doubt first time. If the make th
> same
> > "mistake" again then yes - out for life IMO.
> >
> > But don't stop at the cyclists. It is difficult to accept that team
> > officials don't know what is going on. They should get no chance
> and
> > be out for life on first offence (a cyclist on their team gets caugh
> a
> > team member is strongly implicated - carrying drugs etc).
> >
> > --
> > mitosis
>
> dear yourtosis,
>
> do you eat energy bars? use caffeine? gatorade? pasta?
> what is the effect?
> why do you do these incroyable disgusting acts?
> because you're an intolerant Nazi playing chess?
> or because you extended your limits riding a bicycle and want to
> extend that limt NOW!
> because its cool, it feels good, itsa rush, it relieves pain, you fly
> over the road at day's end instead of crushing your body systems with
> the last 5 miles.
> now why would you kill these other riders? it all one thing. not
> seperate acts, one act.
> life. you are what you eat. starch fat protein cliff bars plus water.

dear confused,
maybe you should come down off whatever -you - are on before replyin
to posts. it may help you make sense. :

--
mitosis

Date: 08 Aug 2007 10:29:44
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:39:14 +1000, mitosis
<mitosis.2uza3b@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote:

>
>datakoll Wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 11:48 pm, mitosis <mitosis.2uv...@no-
>> mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
>> > hizar...@yahoo.com Wrote:
>> >
>> > > The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any
>> rider
>> > > that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
>> > > sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many
>> other
>> > > companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
>> > > problems finding a new sponsor.
>> >
>> > > A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
>> > > cleansing the sport of the cheats.
>> >
>> > NOt on a first offence but certainly on a second. You have to
>> > understand the pressures that must be on new cyclists from coaches,
>> > trainers and mostly from other cyclists who try to justify taking
>> > themelves by claiming that everyone does it.
>> >
>> > So give them the benefit of the doubt first time. If the make the
>> same
>> > "mistake" again then yes - out for life IMO.
>> >
>> > But don't stop at the cyclists. It is difficult to accept that team
>> > officials don't know what is going on. They should get no chances
>> and
>> > be out for life on first offence (a cyclist on their team gets caught
>> a
>> > team member is strongly implicated - carrying drugs etc).
>> >
>> > --
>> > mitosis
>>
>> dear yourtosis,
>>
>> do you eat energy bars? use caffeine? gatorade? pasta?
>> what is the effect?
>> why do you do these incroyable disgusting acts?
>> because you're an intolerant Nazi playing chess?
>> or because you extended your limits riding a bicycle and want to
>> extend that limt NOW!
>> because its cool, it feels good, itsa rush, it relieves pain, you fly
>> over the road at day's end instead of crushing your body systems with
>> the last 5 miles.
>> now why would you kill these other riders? it all one thing. not
>> seperate acts, one act.
>> life. you are what you eat. starch fat protein cliff bars plus water.
>
>dear confused,
>maybe you should come down off whatever -you - are on before replying
>to posts. it may help you make sense. :D

He actually makes a tremendous amount of sense. More than your "burn the witch"
blather.

Ron

Date: 06 Aug 2007 06:44:07
From:
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 7:59 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Aug 4, 11:15 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
> > dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
> > how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
> > up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
> > most of them hopefully.
>
> No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
> decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
> conviction stands up in CAS and the national fed
> doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
> many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
> lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
> away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.
>
> "Hopefully" is not a sound basis for an anti-doping
> policy. You're basically talking about enforcing it
> like a crime, so you need to think about this based
> on knowledge of criminology, not on your wishes.

What we've also seen is asthmatics being found "non-negative" for
using a prescribed medication used by 5% of the population.

Date: 06 Aug 2007 13:48:07
From: mitosis
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

hizark21@yahoo.com Wrote:
> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

NOt on a first offence but certainly on a second. You have to
understand the pressures that must be on new cyclists from coaches,
trainers and mostly from other cyclists who try to justify taking
themelves by claiming that everyone does it.

So give them the benefit of the doubt first time. If the make the same
"mistake" again then yes - out for life IMO.

But don't stop at the cyclists. It is difficult to accept that team
officials don't know what is going on. They should get no chances and
be out for life on first offence (a cyclist on their team gets caught a
team member is strongly implicated - carrying drugs etc).

--
mitosis

Date: 05 Aug 2007 10:26:15
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

Date: 05 Aug 2007 01:27:23
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 7:59 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Aug 4, 11:15 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
> > dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
> > how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
> > up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
> > most of them hopefully.
>
> No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
> decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
> conviction stands up in CAS
CAS...??
and the national fed
> doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
> many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
> lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
> away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.
>
Doping technology is constantly evolving so there is no guarantee that
all cheats will be caught. We can however eliminate the repeat
offenders and those that are experimenting.

> "Hopefully" is not a sound basis for an anti-doping
> policy. You're basically talking about enforcing it
> like a crime, so you need to think about this based
> on knowledge of criminology, not on your wishes.
>
> Ben

Date: 05 Aug 2007 11:25:14
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 01:27:23 -0700, "hizark21@yahoo.com" <hizark21@yahoo.com >
wrote:

>On Aug 4, 7:59 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
>wrote:
>> On Aug 4, 11:15 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
>> > dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
>> > how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
>> > up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
>> > most of them hopefully.
>>
>> No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
>> decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
>> conviction stands up in CAS
>CAS...??
> and the national fed
>> doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
>> many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
>> lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
>> away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.
>>
>Doping technology is constantly evolving so there is no guarantee that
>all cheats will be caught. We can however eliminate the repeat
>offenders and those that are experimenting.

What repeat offenders? Name two.

We already have what amounts to a life ban. Two years out of cycling and another
two off the pro tour is pretty much over. And what it does is force the rider to
take every penny he's got, lawyer up and fight it. Same as your life ban it
eliminates any chance of cooperation.

Ron

Date: 04 Aug 2007 21:02:58
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 7:29 pm, Andre <ANDREJANSSE...@YAHOO.COM > wrote:
> Then why not rob banks? You get rich on that. If you don't rob banks
> you may remain poor.

I didn't realize that bank robbing was a pro sport... but I'm out of
touch on many modern forms of entertainment.

Date: 05 Aug 2007 10:20:17
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

Andre wrote:
>> Then why not rob banks? You get rich on that. If you don't rob banks
>> you may remain poor.

Ron Ruff wrote:
> I didn't realize that bank robbing was a pro sport... but I'm out of
> touch on many modern forms of entertainment.

Maybe in LA ? Presumably they get tested for coke and crack.

Date: 05 Aug 2007 02:59:26
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 11:15 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
> dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
> how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
> up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
> most of them hopefully.

No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
conviction stands up in CAS and the national fed
doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.

"Hopefully" is not a sound basis for an anti-doping
policy. You're basically talking about enforcing it
like a crime, so you need to think about this based
on knowledge of criminology, not on your wishes.

Ben

Date: 04 Aug 2007 20:23:08
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

In article <1186282766.511445.32000@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com >,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:

> On Aug 4, 11:15 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
> > dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
> > how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
> > up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
> > most of them hopefully.
>
> No, what it will do is end a rider's career if he
> decides to dope _and gets caught_. [And the doping
> conviction stands up in CAS and the national fed
> doesn't find an excuse to let him off.] We know that
> many people have doped and not gotten caught. As
> lonng as there is a substantial chance of getting
> away with it, people will feel pressure to dope.

That's one of the two key reasons why the present system doesn't work and going to
an even more draconian system will be even more counterproductive. The other reason
is the questionable reliability of the tests - are the positives accurate or not? Are
the negatives?

> "Hopefully" is not a sound basis for an anti-doping
> policy. You're basically talking about enforcing it
> like a crime, so you need to think about this based
> on knowledge of criminology, not on your wishes.

"Hope is not a strategy." We can see how well that works out elsewhere in this
world everyday, but let's leave that alone.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Date: 04 Aug 2007 19:43:44
From:
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

hizark21@yahoo.com wrote:
> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

Let's see how other sports handle this -- QUOTE from today's sports
news

Aug. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Detroit Tigers infielder Neifi Perez was
suspended 80 games for his third violation of Major League Baseball's
ban on amphetamines.

END of quote.

Cycling doesn't distinguish between doping modalities, I beliieve.
Uppers are as good as boosting blood for a two year suspension for the
first offense. Come to think of it, don't even star cyclists take a
full regular person's jail term for recreational drug use (Ullrich
reference)?

At least the current UCI two year drop for atrificially enhancing
performance is pretty darn serious -- I can use it to show how serious
cycling is at rooting out drug stuff in comparison to football,
baseball, motor sports and horseracing.

Rleone@hotmail.com

Date: 04 Aug 2007 18:29:58
From: Andre
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 4:49 pm, Ron Ruff <rruffrr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Aug 4, 12:15 pm, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > When one considers
> > how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
> > up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
> > most of them hopefully.
>
> Hope away. Blame for killing the sport rests on fans with attitudes
> like yours and journalists who cater to that attitude. In fact
> virtually all the riders who are doping wish they didn't have to...
> but they have to because the dope works, and the system is unable to
> tell if someone is doping or not via testing. What would you do in
> that situation... dope or settle for being pack fodder? So sure... ban
> them all for life... that will save the sport.

Then why not rob banks? You get rich on that. If you don't rob banks
you may remain poor.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 18:27:39
From: Andre
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 5:16 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

Coca cola is very bad for your stomach anyway...good riddance.

Andre

Date: 05 Aug 2007 10:27:55
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

hiizark21@yahoo.com wrote:
>> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
>> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
>> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
>> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
>> problems finding a new sponsor.

Andre wrote:
> Coca cola is very bad for your stomach anyway...good riddance.

Perhaps they can be replaced by other coke suppliers.

Date: 05 Aug 2007 07:55:58
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

Donald Munro wrote:
> hiizark21@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
>>> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
>>> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
>>> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
>>> problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> Andre wrote:
>> Coca cola is very bad for your stomach anyway...good riddance.
>
> Perhaps they can be replaced by other coke suppliers.
>

Maybe one of the Columbian Cartels could step up ?

Bill

Date: 05 Aug 2007 00:29:12
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 7:44 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186218972.847327.66560@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> > that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> > sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> > companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> > problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> > A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> > cleansing the sport of the cheats.
>
> And we need a lifetime drivers license ban for anyone using a cell phone
> while driving. We need a lifetime ban for anyone speeding. We need a
> lifetime ban for anyone using any drug that impedes judgment when operating
> any dangerous machinery.
>
> In which case we'd save in the neighborhood of 10,000 lives every year.
>
> How many lives would be saved if we ban racers?

oh good! there are 500,000 people in the slammer tonight cause they
were partying.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 23:44:07
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

<hizark21@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1186218972.847327.66560@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

And we need a lifetime drivers license ban for anyone using a cell phone
while driving. We need a lifetime ban for anyone speeding. We need a
lifetime ban for anyone using any drug that impedes judgment when operating
any dangerous machinery.

In which case we'd save in the neighborhood of 10,000 lives every year.

How many lives would be saved if we ban racers?

Date: 05 Aug 2007 19:24:55
From: Charles Patragulacam
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 23:44:07 GMT, Tom Kunich wrote:

> <hizark21@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1186218972.847327.66560@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
>> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
>> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
>> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
>> problems finding a new sponsor.
>>
>> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
>> cleansing the sport of the cheats.
>
> And we need a lifetime drivers license ban for anyone using a cell phone
> while driving. We need a lifetime ban for anyone speeding. We need a
> lifetime ban for anyone using any drug that impedes judgment when operating
> any dangerous machinery.
>
> In which case we'd save in the neighborhood of 10,000 lives every year.
>
> How many lives would be saved if we ban racers?

What was that again Tom? I'm sorry I can't understand you. You'll have to
remove that penis from your mouth.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 20:54:29
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 5:16 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

ease up! it's not that important, some instruction and education may
be necessary. not only of the rider but the aso agency aso we have
witnessed.
If the agemcy is allowed to use 'your' rule then who rules the
agency?

Date: 04 Aug 2007 23:05:07
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

hizar...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
>> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

datakoll wrote:
> If the agemcy is allowed to use 'your' rule then who rules the
> agency?

CIA, FBI, NSA, aliens.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 13:49:38
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 12:15 pm, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> When one considers
> how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
> up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
> most of them hopefully.

Hope away. Blame for killing the sport rests on fans with attitudes
like yours and journalists who cater to that attitude. In fact
virtually all the riders who are doping wish they didn't have to...
but they have to because the dope works, and the system is unable to
tell if someone is doping or not via testing. What would you do in
that situation... dope or settle for being pack fodder? So sure... ban
them all for life... that will save the sport.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 11:29:51
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 1:15 pm, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:

> What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
> dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
> how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
> up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
> most of them hopefully.

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/special/03/crimelab/index.html

I don't have that much faith in labs or the people who run them or
work in them, or in "prosecuting" officials.

We need different rules. --D-y

Date: 04 Aug 2007 11:15:55
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 6:44 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:16:12 -0700, "hizar...@yahoo.com"
>
> <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> >that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> >sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> >companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> >problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> >A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> >cleansing the sport of the cheats.
>

What it will do is to instantly end a riders career if decides to
dope. It will also put a end to repeat offenders. When one considers
how much cheats have damaged the sport it is simply ridiculous to put
up with them. In the end it may not be 100% effective, but it deter
most of them hopefully.

> You're right on part of it'll be symbolic but not effective in dealing
> with the actual problem.
>
> --
> JT
> ****************************
> Remove "remove" to reply
> Visithttp://www.jt10000.com
> ****************************

Date: 04 Aug 2007 14:55:20
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2959887

Cleveland Browns player Ryan Tucker gets suspended for 4 GAMES for
steroids!!!!

now THAT is some serious punishment.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 07:16:41
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Aug 4, 3:16 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

How about a first offense lifetime ban for any journalist who writes a
story about doping in cycling... that would solve the problem.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 09:44:11
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 02:16:12 -0700, "hizark21@yahoo.com"
<hizark21@yahoo.com > wrote:

>The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
>that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
>sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
>companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
>problems finding a new sponsor.
>
>A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
>cleansing the sport of the cheats.

You're right on part of it'll be symbolic but not effective in dealing
with the actual problem.

--
JT
****************************
Remove "remove" to reply
Visit http://www.jt10000.com
****************************

Date: 04 Aug 2007 12:55:23
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

Dans le message de news:1186218972.847327.66560@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com,
hizark21@yahoo.com <hizark21@yahoo.com > a r�fl�chi, et puis a d�clar� :
> The time is now for the UCI to implement a lifetime ban for any rider
> that has tested positive. Pro cycling is losing a lot of major
> sponsors and we cannot afford to let this go on. Coca Cola many other
> companies have dropped their sponsorships Discovery is stil having
> problems finding a new sponsor.
>
> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

Easy screening - anyone applying for a pro license is automatically banned.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 09:44:43
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 12:55:23 +0200, "Sandy" <leurre@frree.fr > wrote:

> Easy screening - anyone applying for a
> pro license is automatically banned.

POTW

--
JT
****************************
Remove "remove" to reply
Visit http://www.jt10000.com
****************************

Date: 04 Aug 2007 15:28:41
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: First offense lifetime ban for dopers is needed now....!!

hizark21@yahoo.com wrote:
>> A first use lifetime ban will show that cycling is commited to
>> cleansing the sport of the cheats.

Sandy wrote:
> Easy screening - anyone applying for a pro license is automatically banned.

That's some catch, that Catch-22.