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Date: 21 Jul 2007 18:13:44
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Forget St. Etienne
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This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 16:48:09
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 23, 6:09 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
>
> It sounds like a huge pain in the ass, but Rasmussen is a pro.
> It's his job to not fuck it up. Or you could argue that it's his job
> to fuck it up twice in two different testing regimes, thus potentially
> gaining maximum motivational benefit while avoiding three-strikes
> from either testing agency. It all depends on what your definition of
> his job is.
>
> Ben
OK se he tells them he's in Chiapas. Where the hell do they make him
go to, to do the out of competition testing, or do they just try to
find him when there's no major airport nearby and limited facilities?
Lots of places out there where people aren't easy to find even if you
know where they are, more or less, and that may be the best address
they can give you. I don't have any faith in the testers to make more
than a cursory attempt to do the test before reporting a violation.
Not everyone lives in an easily accessible urban area. Lots of us
would prefer to be really far from that actually.
I'd really like to hear Rasmussens whole story on this. If he's
traveling around Mexico, doing some tourist type exploring and
learning the country and culture while living there they need to make
sure they either get to him or drop the tests. Not everyone lives in a
major Euro city, or wants to, but despite their pandering to making it
a global sport I don't see them understanding the actual conditions in
a lot of those places.
Wealthy, white, urban, mostly Euro, males who aren't exactly
anthropologists and geographers making policy for places and people
they have NO clue about.
I could be totally wrong on this but I'd really like to hear from
some of the riders that are out of the mainstream and what their
experiences have been.
Now a few people can accuse me of being a "Chamois sniffer" again,
but I'd say that I'm more af a cranky populist.
Or maybe just a crank ;-)
Bill C
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 03:31:41
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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Bill C wrote:
> Or maybe just a crank ;-)
http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/82000016/Images/5/suarez_crankyoldbastard_507a.jpg
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 16:08:16
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 23, 11:26 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk >
wrote:
rider isn't
> under suscpicion or hasn't voilated any UCI rules.
> I'd bet you that neither the Duch, Belgian, French, Spanish, Italian,
> Ukranian, Russian, Sweedish or American federation has similar strict
> rules.
Dumbass -
The French have the strictest rules.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 22:09:20
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 23, 8:23 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
>
> >Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
> >tests over the past couple of years.
>
> Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like a damn
> pervert on parole.
>
> >Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
>
> Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers in
> order.
They all have to follow this reporting-of-whereabouts protocol.
It's ridiculous, but it's also probably the only way to do
out-of-competition tests fairly.
The thing is, every Olympic athlete has to do this. Even the curlers.
Sundquist has described it in the past, for example:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/eadc37c5bf7955eb
It sounds like a huge pain in the ass, but Rasmussen is a pro.
It's his job to not fuck it up. Or you could argue that it's his job
to fuck it up twice in two different testing regimes, thus potentially
gaining maximum motivational benefit while avoiding three-strikes
from either testing agency. It all depends on what your definition of
his job is.
Ben
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 18:04:38
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote in message
news:1185228560.201183.321930@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> The thing is, every Olympic athlete has to do this. Even the curlers.
> Sundquist has described it in the past, for example:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/eadc37c5bf7955eb
>
> It sounds like a huge pain in the ass, but Rasmussen is a pro.
> It's his job to not fuck it up. Or you could argue that it's his job
> to fuck it up twice in two different testing regimes, thus potentially
> gaining maximum motivational benefit while avoiding three-strikes
> from either testing agency. It all depends on what your definition of
> his job is.
>
BTW, since that thread was titled "Chenoweth: felon or victim", I should
mention I read recently that he has cancer.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 11:51:47
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 23, 1:26 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1185205598.771117.4300@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
> > well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
> > they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
> > I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
> > and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
> > It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
> > Bill C
>
> Somebody needs to convince Mark Cuban to sponsor a cycling team.
That would be some SERIOUS theater! I can't even imagine what he'd
have to say about the folks running cycling, especially when he wasn't
being handed a record fine for every comment.
Bill C
PS
I'm praying they let him buy the Cubs. That'll be fun too.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 08:46:38
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 23, 11:23 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
>
>
>
>
>
> <stev...@veloworks.com> wrote:
> >On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article 6n9cn4-kt4....@wm.reippuert.dk, "Morten
> >Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
> >> b...@mambo.ucolick.org <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
> >>>> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
> >>>> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
> >>>> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
> >>>> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
> >>>> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
>
> >>> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
> >>> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
> >>> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
> >>> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
> >>> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
> >>> for a proper TT position.
>
> >>> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
> >>> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
> >>> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
> >>> if any by the final TT.
>
> >> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
> >> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
>
> >Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
> >tests over the past couple of years.
>
> Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like a damn
> pervert on parole.
>
> >Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
>
> Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers in
> order.
>
> Ron- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
Bill C
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:26:13
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jul 23, 11:23 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <stev...@veloworks.com> wrote:
> > >On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article 6n9cn4-kt4....@wm.reippuert.dk, "Morten
> > >Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
> >
> > >> b...@mambo.ucolick.org <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> >
> > >>>> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
> > >>>> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
> > >>>> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
> > >>>> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
> > >>>> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
> >
> > >>> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
> > >>> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
> > >>> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
> > >>> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
> > >>> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
> > >>> for a proper TT position.
> >
> > >>> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
> > >>> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
> > >>> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
> > >>> if any by the final TT.
> >
> > >> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
> > >> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
> >
> > >Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
> > >tests over the past couple of years.
> >
> > Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like a damn
> > pervert on parole.
> >
> > >Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
> >
> > Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers in
> > order.
> >
> > Ron- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
> well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
> they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
Actually Vinokurov should be tested by the Kazakh, French and Monaco's
cycling federations as well as by UCI's because he lives i France and
has a licence from Monaco. I'd guess that he is only being tested by
the UCI and partialy by the French association. Secondly i guess that
Vinukorov has or should have had a cupple of warnings since he is one
of the "Men in black", Rasmussen is one of them as well.
Do you think the French and Kazakh federations has given him any
warnings? I don't. Regarding the Spanish riders and the Spanish
cyclingfederations out-of-competition tests i very much doubt that
they are conduction their own test.
Rasmussen prime problem is that the Danish (like the German)
Cycling Federation are conduction their own tests as an addition to
the test made by UCI. It means that he got warnings for his
where-abouts and from missing out-of-competition test from UCI and the
Danish Cycling Federation at the same time.
His second problem is that the Danish Cycling Federation (like the
German) has an ethical charter regarding representation on the
national team: Riders has to take part i additional out-of-competition
test besides those from the UCI, additional DCU can (as they did in this
case) ban rider from the national team even though the rider isn't
under suscpicion or hasn't voilated any UCI rules.
I'd bet you that neither the Duch, Belgian, French, Spanish, Italian,
Ukranian, Russian, Sweedish or American federation has similar strict
rules. Dunno about the British, but the Norwegian and the German rules
are as strict as the rules under DCU.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 21:58:01
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen schreef:
> His second problem is that the Danish Cycling Federation (like the
> German) has an ethical charter regarding representation on the
> national team: Riders has to take part i additional out-of-competition
> test besides those from the UCI, additional DCU can (as they did in this
> case) ban rider from the national team even though the rider isn't
> under suscpicion or hasn't voilated any UCI rules.
> I'd bet you that neither the Duch, Belgian, French, Spanish, Italian,
> Ukranian, Russian, Sweedish or American federation has similar strict
All Dutch "international sporters" (a term defined in the antidoping
rules) must make their training locations and daily training schedule
known to the antidoping authority (DADA..?), every month at least 2
weeks in advance. Out of competition controls can take place any time,
unannounced. (Although there was a minor scandal earlier this year when
a news show discovered that all the controls they filmed, 3 or 4, *were*
announced.) If the official does not meet you (at the training venue,
your home or 1 or 2 other addresses you wrote down) he will try another
time. If that does not succeed either, he will phone you. There has to
be a control within 2h of that call. If not, the sports association will
be notified and you will get suspended for 3 months to a year (depending
on which assoc).
So, no warnings.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 22:09:45
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> All Dutch "international sporters" (a term defined in the antidoping
> rules) must make their training locations and daily training schedule
> known to the antidoping authority (DADA..?)
They even made it into Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 21:32:07
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> Actually Vinokurov should be tested by the Kazakh, French and Monaco's
> cycling federations as well as by UCI's because he lives i France and
> has a licence from Monaco.
Perhaps they'll have to clone him so he can be in all 3 places at the same
time to be tested. Imagine a whole team of Vino clones.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 04:38:35
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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In article <46a50236$0$4370$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> > Actually Vinokurov should be tested by the Kazakh, French and Monaco's
> > cycling federations as well as by UCI's because he lives i France and
> > has a licence from Monaco.
>
> Perhaps they'll have to clone him so he can be in all 3 places at the same
> time to be tested. Imagine a whole team of Vino clones.
No, no! Look how much trouble an evil twin caused that poor Mr. Hamilton!
And his little dog, too,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 15:49:33
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:32:07 +0200, Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
>> Actually Vinokurov should be tested by the Kazakh, French and Monaco's
>> cycling federations as well as by UCI's because he lives i France and
>> has a licence from Monaco.
>
>Perhaps they'll have to clone him so he can be in all 3 places at the same
>time to be tested. Imagine a whole team of Vino clones.
They'd tear up the peloton if they'd ever work together. One of 'em would surely
win each stage, just that no one of them would win enough for the GC.
Ron
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 12:26:40
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1185205598.771117.4300@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
> well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
> they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
> I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
> and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
> It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
> Bill C
Somebody needs to convince Mark Cuban to sponsor a cycling team.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 13:18:00
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:46:38 -0700, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>On Jul 23, 11:23 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <stev...@veloworks.com> wrote:
>> >On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article 6n9cn4-kt4....@wm.reippuert.dk, "Morten
>> >Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>>
>> >> b...@mambo.ucolick.org <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
>> >>>> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
>> >>>> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
>> >>>> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
>> >>>> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
>>
>> >>> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
>> >>> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
>> >>> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
>> >>> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
>> >>> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
>> >>> for a proper TT position.
>>
>> >>> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
>> >>> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
>> >>> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
>> >>> if any by the final TT.
>>
>> >> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
>> >> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
>>
>> >Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
>> >tests over the past couple of years.
>>
>> Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like a damn
>> pervert on parole.
>>
>> >Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
>>
>> Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers in
>> order.
>>
>> Ron- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
>well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
>they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
> I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
>and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
> It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
>Bill C
I really do understand that out of competition testing is the current thing and
part of the job. But somehow I am so much more sympathetic to Chicken sending a
postcard than I am with the bloodsuckers and peripheral personnel who only get
to annoy and drain blood from such as him. I guess that's where the complaints
about men in black come from. Who wants to go to all those weird, wild places to
get samples for testing.
I've also been wondering about the Hemopure allegations that've just come up.
Who would use something that a seventh grader could detect.
Ron
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 04:49:30
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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In article <hco9a3lmfucnop2cdednod3a0ssgggg45m@4ax.com >,
RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:46:38 -0700, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 23, 11:23 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <stev...@veloworks.com> wrote:
> >> >On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article 6n9cn4-kt4....@wm.reippuert.dk,
> >> >"Morten
> >> >Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> b...@mambo.ucolick.org <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
> >> >>>> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
> >> >>>> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
> >> >>>> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
> >> >>>> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
> >>
> >> >>> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
> >> >>> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
> >> >>> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
> >> >>> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
> >> >>> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
> >> >>> for a proper TT position.
> >>
> >> >>> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
> >> >>> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
> >> >>> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
> >> >>> if any by the final TT.
> >>
> >> >> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
> >> >> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
> >>
> >> >Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple
> >> >missed
> >> >tests over the past couple of years.
> >>
> >> Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like
> >> a damn
> >> pervert on parole.
> >>
> >> >Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
> >>
> >> Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers
> >> in
> >> order.
> >>
> >> Ron- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> >And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
> >well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
> >they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
> > I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
> >and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
> > It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
> >Bill C
>
> I really do understand that out of competition testing is the current thing
> and
> part of the job. But somehow I am so much more sympathetic to Chicken sending
> a
> postcard than I am with the bloodsuckers and peripheral personnel who only
> get
> to annoy and drain blood from such as him. I guess that's where the
> complaints
> about men in black come from. Who wants to go to all those weird, wild places
> to
> get samples for testing.
Well, I sympathize. You see a recurring pattern of pros loving to train
in the remotest places they can (Axel Merckx has been known to train in
my province*. No word on what colour he wears), and you start to wonder
if those locations are picked because they like lonely locales, or
because they like being very far from WADA agents.
The WADAns often seem to be Nifong-crazy: they over-promise and
under-deliver on prosecutions. I suspect they think they're being "open"
when they talk about their broad impressions of the state of doping in
particular sports and their worries about particular athletes, but I
think they tend more towards "slanderous."
As Ben Franklin once said, it's possible to frame a guilty man.
> I've also been wondering about the Hemopure allegations that've just come up.
> Who would use something that a seventh grader could detect.
>
> Ron
Dumbass:
a seventh grader? He was a _mountain biker_ at the time!
Like, nearly as bad as triathlism,
*Before this goes any further, I should make it clear that Axel's wife
is from the interior. Just like Rasmussen's wife is from Mexico.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 11:12:30
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:49:30 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
>In article <hco9a3lmfucnop2cdednod3a0ssgggg45m@4ax.com>,
> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple
>> >> >missed
>> >> >tests over the past couple of years.
>> >>
>> >> Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like
>> >> a damn
>> >> pervert on parole.
>> >>
>> >> >Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
>> >>
>> >> Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers
>> >> in
>> >> order.
>> >>
>> >> Ron- Hide quoted text -
>> >>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >
>> >And how about the Columbians?? It's a Eurocentric system that works
>> >well for those close by. I wonder how many out of competition tests
>> >they've sent people to Kazakhstan to conduct?
>> > I saw an article this weekend about companies injecting GPS tracking
>> >and security chips into their employees, can the UCI be far behind?
>> > It's not just a nutcase conspiracy thing anymore, unfortunately.
>> >Bill C
>>
>> I really do understand that out of competition testing is the current thing
>> and
>> part of the job. But somehow I am so much more sympathetic to Chicken sending
>> a
>> postcard than I am with the bloodsuckers and peripheral personnel who only
>> get
>> to annoy and drain blood from such as him. I guess that's where the
>> complaints
>> about men in black come from. Who wants to go to all those weird, wild places
>> to
>> get samples for testing.
>
>Well, I sympathize. You see a recurring pattern of pros loving to train
>in the remotest places they can (Axel Merckx has been known to train in
>my province*. No word on what colour he wears), and you start to wonder
>if those locations are picked because they like lonely locales, or
>because they like being very far from WADA agents.
I don't "train" any more than I have to. I rarely spend more than 2 hours on the
bike at a time and I occasionally become desperate for new, interesting places
to ride. If I needed locations for 4-6 hour training days with mountains I would
also evenually end up in the Sierra Madres myself.
>The WADAns often seem to be Nifong-crazy: they over-promise and
>under-deliver on prosecutions. I suspect they think they're being "open"
>when they talk about their broad impressions of the state of doping in
>particular sports and their worries about particular athletes, but I
>think they tend more towards "slanderous."
Probably explains McQuade's recent babbling a bit. But in the case of Rasmussen,
it seems to me that if there's a penalty for failing to report properly after
three incidents, then it is just plain wrong to enforce that penalty after two
incidents. I can see getting pulled over by a cop for going 33 in a 35, "well,
you were pretty close and we have to protect the integrity of the roads."
>As Ben Franklin once said, it's possible to frame a guilty man.
>
>> I've also been wondering about the Hemopure allegations that've just come up.
>> Who would use something that a seventh grader could detect.
>Dumbass:
>
>a seventh grader? He was a _mountain biker_ at the time!
>
>Like, nearly as bad as triathlism,
Oh, yeah. He wouldn't have a 7th graders grasp of biology.
Ron
>*Before this goes any further, I should make it clear that Axel's wife
>is from the interior. Just like Rasmussen's wife is from Mexico.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 09:56:20
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> As Ben Franklin once said, it's possible to frame a guilty man.
If he's so wise why can't he get rid of a few doves crapping on his patio.
> a seventh grader? He was a _mountain biker_ at the time!
> Like, nearly as bad as triathlism,
Yes, if they ever had any brains to start with the concussion from
multiple crashes destroys the grey matter.
Donald
With what looks like a silicon breast implant sized swelling on my right
back from falling onto a rock while descending a rock infested track
that the MTB'ers referred to as a jeep track. And I still waited for the
motherf**ckers at the top of the climb. I hate rocks like jeff hates speed
bumps.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 04:52:38
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 23, 2:03 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in messagenews:oun9n4-m06.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>
> > This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
> > claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
>
> Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
> little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had clean
> roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.
>
Utter nonsense.
1. The only one with really worse conditions was Vinokourov. The top
ten started very close to each other
2. Rasmussen didn't do well at the climb at all (Contador did), he
only lost 5 seconds to Evans in the last flat miles of the stages
Sorry Tom, your reasoning simply doesn't match with the reality of the
stage
> He won't have those advantages next Saturday so he'd better have 3-4 minutes
> advantage in order to stay clear.
>
> I wonder what happened to Valverde. That isn't like him at all.
Valverde... Sick? Pressure?
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 22:57:29
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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"Tuschinski" <Tuschinski@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185191558.017275.138830@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 2:03 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in
>> messagenews:oun9n4-m06.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>
>> > This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the
>> > restday
>> > claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
>>
>> Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
>> little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had
>> clean
>> roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.
>>
>
> Utter nonsense.
>
> 1. The only one with really worse conditions was Vinokourov. The top
> ten started very close to each other
3 minutes x 10 people is a half hour. I don't call that close.
> 2. Rasmussen didn't do well at the climb at all (Contador did), he
> only lost 5 seconds to Evans in the last flat miles of the stages
The "last flat miles were the last 6.5 km from the Albi suburbs to the
finish line. After almost 10 km of downhill in which to "rest" I would hope
he would be able to match a rider like Evans. So this means that the Chicken
had to hold Evans on the steeper pitches of the climbs. And there wasn't
enough of them.
> Sorry Tom, your reasoning simply doesn't match with the reality of the
> stage
Well, certainly we'll see how my reasoning works next Saturday.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 00:51:06
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 22, 8:03 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in messagenews:oun9n4-m06.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>
> > This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
> > claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
>
> Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
> little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had clean
> roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.
>
> He won't have those advantages next Saturday so he'd better have 3-4 minutes
> advantage in order to stay clear.
>
> I wonder what happened to Valverde. That isn't like him at all.
age
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 00:03:49
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:oun9n4-m06.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
> claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
Here's the problem - the only reason he did so well was because of that
little Cat 4 climb at the start of the stage and the fact that he had clean
roads while almost everyone else was riding on wet slippery roads.
He won't have those advantages next Saturday so he'd better have 3-4 minutes
advantage in order to stay clear.
I wonder what happened to Valverde. That isn't like him at all.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 01:25:31
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Jul 21, 10:25 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk >
wrote:
> RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:13:44 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk>
> > wrote:
> > >This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
> > >claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
> > I never understood just why there was a presumption that he would be hopeless.
> > Obviously he just plain lost his shit two years ago, but that's not as hard to
> > fix as not being able to ride. And while I wouldn't expect him to hang with the
> > best TT riders I don't see why a guy who can climb like that wouldn't beat the
> > rest of the dog pile.
>
> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
for a proper TT position.
I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
if any by the final TT.
Ben
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 17:29:10
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> > I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
> > that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
> > than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
> > stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
> > Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
> for a proper TT position.
> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
> if any by the final TT.
He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article 6n9cn4-kt4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk, "Morten
Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
>>> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
>>> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
>>> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
>>> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
>>> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
>
>> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
>> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
>> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
>> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
>> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
>> for a proper TT position.
>
>> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
>> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
>> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
>> if any by the final TT.
>
> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
tests over the past couple of years.
Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 11:23:38
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
<stevens@veloworks.com > wrote:
>On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article 6n9cn4-kt4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk, "Morten
>Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
>> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
>>>> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
>>>> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
>>>> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
>>>> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
>>
>>> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
>>> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
>>> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
>>> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
>>> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
>>> for a proper TT position.
>>
>>> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
>>> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
>>> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
>>> if any by the final TT.
>>
>> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
>> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
>
>
>
>Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
>tests over the past couple of years.
Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like a damn
pervert on parole.
>Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers in
order.
Ron
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:04:25
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:10:07 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
> <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote:
> >On 07/22/2007 09:29 AM, in article 6n9cn4-kt4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk, "Morten
> >Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote:
> >
> >> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
> >>>> that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
> >>>> than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
> >>>> stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
> >>>> Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
> >>
> >>> Part of being good at TTs is being prepared, and mentally
> >>> or physically, he wasn't prepared. The difference in 2007
> >>> is that on the evidence of the picture links Shayana posted,
> >>> he's actually spent some time riding his TT bike this year,
> >>> or if not that, at least he spent some time getting a fit
> >>> for a proper TT position.
> >>
> >>> I don't think he is going to put as much time into everyone
> >>> else in the remaining mountain stages as many in RBR seem
> >>> to think; so I don't think he will have much of a cushion
> >>> if any by the final TT.
> >>
> >> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
> >> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
> >
> >
> >
> >Michael Arse-ficken should be thrown out of the Tour for his multiple missed
> >tests over the past couple of years.
> Fuck that. It's stupid that he has to report his fucking whereabouts like a damn
> pervert on parole.
> >Let Contador and Evans fight it out.
> Where was Contador every single week of the last 2 years? Are HIS papers in
> order.
Well, the past two years he was with Manolo Saiz and Dr. Fuentes witch
meant that he was kicked out of the TDF last year.
We haven't seen the complete Puerto files yet but rumors are that he
is in there along with Valverde.
To me it's a lot more incriminating than failing posting your
where-abouts in time or a loose 5 year old questionable rumor.
Also, i very much doubt that the Spanish cycling federation will ban a
rider from WC and Olympics because of two warnings due to falty
where-abouts. The UCI rules clearly states that there only can be a
case after 3 warnings. Rasmussen has two, and the first one is only a
minor warning which is he will be clear of by september.
My guess is there is a lot of riders with one or two warnings in the
present peloton.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 19:17:10
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
>
> He bolstered his cushion with antother 2:04 to Evans and Kloeden
> today. Now he only has to hang on to Contador.
>
So assuming that they stick to one another during the rest of the
mountain stages that leaves a final TT for Contador to make up time.
What's the consensus of the group here ? Can Rasmusen rise to the
challenge one more time ?
FWIW I have to admire Klodi. He never panicked. Vino appears to be finis.
Bill
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 16:36:53
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:13:44 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<spam@reippuert.dk >
wrote:
>This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
>claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
I never understood just why there was a presumption that he would be hopeless.
Obviously he just plain lost his shit two years ago, but that's not as hard to
fix as not being able to ride. And while I wouldn't expect him to hang with the
best TT riders I don't see why a guy who can climb like that wouldn't beat the
rest of the dog pile.
Ron
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 07:25:57
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Forget St. Etienne
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RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:13:44 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<spam@reippuert.dk>
> wrote:
> >This time Chicken stayed on the bike, and his statement from the restday
> >claiming that he wouldn't loose more than 3 minuttes came true.
> I never understood just why there was a presumption that he would be hopeless.
> Obviously he just plain lost his shit two years ago, but that's not as hard to
> fix as not being able to ride. And while I wouldn't expect him to hang with the
> best TT riders I don't see why a guy who can climb like that wouldn't beat the
> rest of the dog pile.
I agree, but i've never seen anyone in but meself in rbr expressing
that. Actally the St Etinnene TT wasn't all that bad, he spent more
than 4 miunttes off the bike durring that TT. Assuming he would have
stayed on the bike he wouldn't have lost more than 3 minuttes to
Armstong and 2.30 to Ulrich.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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