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Date: 25 Jul 2007 12:12:25
From: RonSonic
Subject: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were they upset
about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
Ron
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 11:04:40
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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On Jul 26, 8:19 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in messagenews:d7mmn=
4-ms3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Montesquiou wrote:
>
> >> "Simon Brooke" <si...@jasmine.org.uk> a =E9crit dans le message de new=
s:
> >> 3k2ln4-1cn....@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> >> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4ac...@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou>
> >> > ('')
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le messa=
ge
> >> >> denews: dtckn4-pk4.__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD=
$z__@wm.reippuert.dk...
> >> >>> RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>
> >> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
> >> >>>> were
> >> >>>> they upset
> >> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that
> >> >>>> condition?
>
> >> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
> >> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positi=
ve
> >> >>> the Landis way.
>
> >> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>
> >> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
> >> > team.
>
> >> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
> >> > non-French riders.
>
> >> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
> >> but
> >> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
> >> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
> >> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
>
> > Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
> > genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
> > non issue in the spanish press.
>
> I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
> reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have b=
een
> big time dopers.
>
> - Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
> - Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
> - Toasted chicken. We'll hear about his adventures in Italy
> now that he is a pariath. Maybe he will
> confess himself like Jan or writes a book. If he is proven to
> have doped he is going to have a problem to live in Garda anylonger.
>
> So there have been three guys you could root for in the last 20 years and
> they all have turned out to be spam... I even used to be a MR fan till
> this year and I saw his TT (amazing for someone that still TTrials
> zigzaging).
>
> As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may have
> even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
> performance this
> year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the past. But if we put his
> performance
> relative to what was going on in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can =
be
> quite
> confident that the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco
> could
> hang with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb? Tho=
se
> were the good times!!
>
> You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
> DK, DE, and other nordic
> Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
> than anybody.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Woah, someones nationalistic buttons got pushed ^^
But the thing is that Fuentes lives in Spain... the thing is that
Spanish Marathon runners started running awfuly fast at the same time
as Perdito and later Miguelon sparkled (the rumors about medical
breakthroughs in spanish unis persited back in the days)... we have
someone as Heras...
I do not for a second doubt any nations cyclists are holier than the
other (Mr Moreau has an impressive Jawline^^), but that there are main
Doping lines in Italy and Spain are almost impossible to deny.
Yes, Contador has class... but Rasmussen who has won Polka dots,
stages and what not (Without being found guilty for dope usage...) is
evil incarnate? Come on.... using double standards makes you look like
a zealot.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 21:25:15
From: Alex Beascoechea
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Tuschinski" <Tuschinski@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185559480.128857.207650@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 8:19 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in
> messagenews:d7mmn4-ms3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Montesquiou wrote:
>
> >> "Simon Brooke" <si...@jasmine.org.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
> >> 3k2ln4-1cn....@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> >> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4ac...@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou>
> >> > ('')
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le
> >> >> message
> >> >> denews:
> >> >> dtckn4-pk4.__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z__@wm.reippuert.dk...
> >> >>> RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>
> >> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
> >> >>>> were
> >> >>>> they upset
> >> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that
> >> >>>> condition?
>
> >> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
> >> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet
> >> >>> positive
> >> >>> the Landis way.
>
> >> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>
> >> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
> >> > team.
>
> >> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
> >> > non-French riders.
>
> >> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
> >> but
> >> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
> >> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
> >> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
>
> > Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
> > genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
> > non issue in the spanish press.
>
> I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
> reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have
> been
> big time dopers.
>
> - Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
> - Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
> - Toasted chicken. We'll hear about his adventures in Italy
> now that he is a pariath. Maybe he will
> confess himself like Jan or writes a book. If he is proven to
> have doped he is going to have a problem to live in Garda anylonger.
>
> So there have been three guys you could root for in the last 20 years and
> they all have turned out to be spam... I even used to be a MR fan till
> this year and I saw his TT (amazing for someone that still TTrials
> zigzaging).
>
> As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may have
> even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
> performance this
> year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the past. But if we put his
> performance
> relative to what was going on in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can
> be
> quite
> confident that the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco
> could
> hang with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb?
> Those
> were the good times!!
>
> You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
> DK, DE, and other nordic
> Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
> than anybody.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
>>Woah, someones nationalistic buttons got pushed ^^
Do not be ignorant. Spanish nationality is not my cup of tea. But much less
are
absurd stereotypes.
>>But the thing is that Fuentes lives in Spain... the thing is that
>Spanish Marathon runners started running awfuly fast at the same time
>as Perdito and later Miguelon sparkled (the rumors about medical
You must be talking about Perico Delgado.
Perico was the first cyclist that was publically lynched as the result of a
leaked test result (with a substance that was not illegal at the time), But
did that change your opinion? He was a great entertaining
climber. BTW: Contador seems to be of a similar style.
>breakthroughs in spanish unis persited back in the days)... we have
>someone as Heras...
Heras was caught with EPO (5 years after the test was available - to
bring back the topic of stupidity, or is there sth we do not know that
they know). He was caught by spanish authorities, the same about
dozens and dozens of cyclists that get caught every year. But if you
want to know about it, you have to stop following only the TdF.
Fuentes. He lives in Spain , but Jan, Ivan, Hamilton were his customers.
What
is the point?
>I do not for a second doubt any nations cyclists are holier than the
>other (Mr Moreau has an impressive Jawline^^), but that there are main
>Doping lines in Italy and Spain are almost impossible to deny.
The main doping lines develop during generations and are related to
the size of the sports as a business. So the main doping
countries are the ones with the strongest sporting traditions and markets.
Divide number of inhabitants by sport market value and then follow the trail
Divide number of inhabitants per number of Olympic medals and then follow
the trail!
Spain has developed fast in some sports and probably there is doping in
some. But no more
than in other similarly develped countries. So why should Spain win less
medals per-capita
than France? Any genetic trait you may have in mind?
>Yes, Contador has class... but Rasmussen who has won Polka dots,
>stages and what not (Without being found guilty for dope usage...) is
>evil incarnate? Come on.... using double standards makes you look like
>a zealot.
Evil (I am not george bush)? I said I used to like him. I just said he is a
liar. I
suspected his radical improvement (that is extremely uncommon for a
fully matured cyclist). Contador, well, I did not cared much about him but
for sure I knew he was a good climber (not as good as Perico) but also
a very good TT (unlike MR). And he is 24/25 and in his first TdF. Is he
doped?
We'll see.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 22:59:15
From: alex beascoechea
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:46aa45e2$0$3840$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net...
>
> "Tuschinski" <Tuschinski@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1185559480.128857.207650@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 26, 8:19 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in
>> messagenews:d7mmn4-ms3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Montesquiou wrote:
>>
>> >> "Simon Brooke" <si...@jasmine.org.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> >> 3k2ln4-1cn....@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
>> >> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4ac...@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou>
>> >> > ('')
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> denews:
>> >> >> dtckn4-pk4.__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z__@wm.reippuert.dk...
>> >> >>> RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>>
>> >> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
>> >> >>>> were
>> >> >>>> they upset
>> >> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that
>> >> >>>> condition?
>>
>> >> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing
>> >> >>> at
>> >> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet
>> >> >>> positive
>> >> >>> the Landis way.
>>
>> >> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>>
>> >> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
>> >> > team.
>>
>> >> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
>> >> > non-French riders.
>>
>> >> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
>> >> but
>> >> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
>> >> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
>> >> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
>>
>> > Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
>> > genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
>> > non issue in the spanish press.
>>
>> I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
>> reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have
>> been
>> big time dopers.
>>
>> - Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
>> - Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
>> - Toasted chicken. We'll hear about his adventures in Italy
>> now that he is a pariath. Maybe he will
>> confess himself like Jan or writes a book. If he is proven to
>> have doped he is going to have a problem to live in Garda anylonger.
>>
>> So there have been three guys you could root for in the last 20 years and
>> they all have turned out to be spam... I even used to be a MR fan till
>> this year and I saw his TT (amazing for someone that still TTrials
>> zigzaging).
>>
>> As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may
>> have
>> even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
>> performance this
>> year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the past. But if we put his
>> performance
>> relative to what was going on in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can
>> be
>> quite
>> confident that the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco
>> could
>> hang with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb?
>> Those
>> were the good times!!
>>
>> You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
>> DK, DE, and other nordic
>> Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
>> than anybody.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>>>Woah, someones nationalistic buttons got pushed ^^
>
> Do not be ignorant. Spanish nationality is not my cup of tea. But much
> less are
> absurd stereotypes.
>
>>>But the thing is that Fuentes lives in Spain... the thing is that
>>Spanish Marathon runners started running awfuly fast at the same time
>>as Perdito and later Miguelon sparkled (the rumors about medical
>
> You must be talking about Perico Delgado.
>
> Perico was the first cyclist that was publically lynched as the result of
> a
> leaked test result (with a substance that was not illegal at the time),
> But
> did that change your opinion? He was a great entertaining
> climber. BTW: Contador seems to be of a similar style.
>
>>breakthroughs in spanish unis persited back in the days)... we have
>>someone as Heras...
>
> Heras was caught with EPO (5 years after the test was available - to
> bring back the topic of stupidity, or is there sth we do not know that
> they know). He was caught by spanish authorities, the same about
> dozens and dozens of cyclists that get caught every year. But if you
> want to know about it, you have to stop following only the TdF.
>
> Fuentes. He lives in Spain , but Jan, Ivan, Hamilton were his customers.
> What
> is the point?
>
>>I do not for a second doubt any nations cyclists are holier than the
>>other (Mr Moreau has an impressive Jawline^^), but that there are main
>>Doping lines in Italy and Spain are almost impossible to deny.
>
> The main doping lines develop during generations and are related to
> the size of the sports as a business. So the main doping
> countries are the ones with the strongest sporting traditions and markets.
> Divide number of inhabitants by sport market value and then follow the
> trail
> Divide number of inhabitants per number of Olympic medals and then follow
> the trail!
>
> Spain has developed fast in some sports and probably there is doping in
> some. But no more
> than in other similarly develped countries. So why should Spain win less
> medals per-capita
> than France? Any genetic trait you may have in mind?
>
>
>>Yes, Contador has class... but Rasmussen who has won Polka dots,
>>stages and what not (Without being found guilty for dope usage...) is
>>evil incarnate? Come on.... using double standards makes you look like
>>a zealot.
>
> Evil (I am not george bush)? I said I used to like him. I just said he is
> a liar. I
> suspected his radical improvement (that is extremely uncommon for a
> fully matured cyclist). Contador, well, I did not cared much about him but
> for sure I knew he was a good climber (not as good as Perico) but also
> a very good TT (unlike MR). And he is 24/25 and in his first TdF. Is he
> doped?
> We'll see.
Oops! Sorry. Second.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 18:30:42
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
|
"alex beascoechea" <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:46aa5ca4$0$21009$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net...
>
> "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:46aa45e2$0$3840$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net...
>>
>> "Tuschinski" <Tuschinski@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1185559480.128857.207650@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 26, 8:19 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in
>>> messagenews:d7mmn4-ms3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Montesquiou wrote:
>>>
>>> >> "Simon Brooke" <si...@jasmine.org.uk> a écrit dans le message de
>>> >> news:
>>> >> 3k2ln4-1cn....@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
>>> >> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4ac...@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou>
>>> >> > ('')
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le
>>> >> >> message
>>> >> >> denews:
>>> >> >> dtckn4-pk4.__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z__@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>> >> >>> RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>>>
>>> >> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
>>> >> >>>> were
>>> >> >>>> they upset
>>> >> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that
>>> >> >>>> condition?
>>>
>>> >> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing
>>> >> >>> at
>>> >> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet
>>> >> >>> positive
>>> >> >>> the Landis way.
>>>
>>> >> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>>>
>>> >> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a
>>> >> > French
>>> >> > team.
>>>
>>> >> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
>>> >> > non-French riders.
>>>
>>> >> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or
>>> >> non-German)
>>> >> but
>>> >> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
>>> >> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
>>> >> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not
>>> >> ?
>>>
>>> > Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
>>> > genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
>>> > non issue in the spanish press.
>>>
>>> I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
>>> reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have
>>> been
>>> big time dopers.
>>>
>>> - Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
>>> - Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
>>> - Toasted chicken. We'll hear about his adventures in Italy
>>> now that he is a pariath. Maybe he will
>>> confess himself like Jan or writes a book. If he is proven to
>>> have doped he is going to have a problem to live in Garda anylonger.
>>>
>>> So there have been three guys you could root for in the last 20 years
>>> and
>>> they all have turned out to be spam... I even used to be a MR fan till
>>> this year and I saw his TT (amazing for someone that still TTrials
>>> zigzaging).
>>>
>>> As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may
>>> have
>>> even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
>>> performance this
>>> year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the past. But if we put his
>>> performance
>>> relative to what was going on in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can
>>> be
>>> quite
>>> confident that the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco
>>> could
>>> hang with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb?
>>> Those
>>> were the good times!!
>>>
>>> You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now ,
>>> unlike
>>> DK, DE, and other nordic
>>> Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it
>>> more
>>> than anybody.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>Woah, someones nationalistic buttons got pushed ^^
>>
>> Do not be ignorant. Spanish nationality is not my cup of tea. But much
>> less are
>> absurd stereotypes.
>>
>>>>But the thing is that Fuentes lives in Spain... the thing is that
>>>Spanish Marathon runners started running awfuly fast at the same time
>>>as Perdito and later Miguelon sparkled (the rumors about medical
>>
>> You must be talking about Perico Delgado.
>>
>> Perico was the first cyclist that was publically lynched as the result of
>> a
>> leaked test result (with a substance that was not illegal at the time),
>> But
>> did that change your opinion? He was a great entertaining
>> climber. BTW: Contador seems to be of a similar style.
>>
>>>breakthroughs in spanish unis persited back in the days)... we have
>>>someone as Heras...
>>
>> Heras was caught with EPO (5 years after the test was available - to
>> bring back the topic of stupidity, or is there sth we do not know that
>> they know). He was caught by spanish authorities, the same about
>> dozens and dozens of cyclists that get caught every year. But if you
>> want to know about it, you have to stop following only the TdF.
>>
>> Fuentes. He lives in Spain , but Jan, Ivan, Hamilton were his customers.
>> What
>> is the point?
>>
>>>I do not for a second doubt any nations cyclists are holier than the
>>>other (Mr Moreau has an impressive Jawline^^), but that there are main
>>>Doping lines in Italy and Spain are almost impossible to deny.
>>
>> The main doping lines develop during generations and are related to
>> the size of the sports as a business. So the main doping
>> countries are the ones with the strongest sporting traditions and
>> markets.
>> Divide number of inhabitants by sport market value and then follow the
>> trail
>> Divide number of inhabitants per number of Olympic medals and then follow
>> the trail!
>>
>> Spain has developed fast in some sports and probably there is doping in
>> some. But no more
>> than in other similarly develped countries. So why should Spain win less
>> medals per-capita
>> than France? Any genetic trait you may have in mind?
>>
>>
>>>Yes, Contador has class... but Rasmussen who has won Polka dots,
>>>stages and what not (Without being found guilty for dope usage...) is
>>>evil incarnate? Come on.... using double standards makes you look like
>>>a zealot.
>>
>> Evil (I am not george bush)? I said I used to like him. I just said he is
>> a liar. I
>> suspected his radical improvement (that is extremely uncommon for a
>> fully matured cyclist). Contador, well, I did not cared much about him
>> but
>> for sure I knew he was a good climber (not as good as Perico) but also
>> a very good TT (unlike MR). And he is 24/25 and in his first TdF. Is he
>> doped?
>> We'll see.
>
> Oops! Sorry. Second.
Morton, please send me an email.
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 03:11:31
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
|
Carl Sundquist <carlsun@cox.net > wrote:
> Morton, please send me an email.
Me? my mailadress is valid.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:20:21
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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in message <p9tea3henpva1reaten8j2rej7n3s8faaf@4ax.com >, RonSonic
('ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com') wrote:
> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>
> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
> they upset about and in what way was this action going to affect that
> condition?
They were upset about dirty rotten cheats taking drugs. There was nothing
at all hypocritical about Cofidis taking part in this demonstration...
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 09:19:33
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:20:21 +0100, Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
>in message <p9tea3henpva1reaten8j2rej7n3s8faaf@4ax.com>, RonSonic
>('ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com') wrote:
>
>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>>
>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
>> they upset about and in what way was this action going to affect that
>> condition?
>
>They were upset about dirty rotten cheats taking drugs. There was nothing
>at all hypocritical about Cofidis taking part in this demonstration...
Oh, good. I was worried about that.
I'm fairly sure the dopers weren't impressed.
Ron
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 20:16:42
From: kaiser
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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On Jul 25, 10:45 am, Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> The video coverage was unbelievable
>
> --
> Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
Quite noteworthy to see how Rasmussen was one of the first riders to
ignore the protest (and how the rest of his team sheepishly followed
him...eventually).
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 19:12:45
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were they upset
> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
the Landis way. Luckyly the sponsor has alredy announced that the wont
continue.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:56:55
From:
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > a écrit dans le message de
news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>
>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
>> they upset
>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
>
> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
> the Landis way.
Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>Luckyly the sponsor has alredy announced that the wont
> continue.
>
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:23:15
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr >, <Montesquiou> ('')
wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a écrit dans le message
> de news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>>
>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
>>> they upset
>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
>>
>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
>> the Landis way.
>
> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French team.
The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
non-French riders.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 03:01:14
From:
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk > a écrit dans le message de news:
3k2ln4-1cn.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou> ('')
> wrote:
>
>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le message
>> de news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>>>
>>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
>>>> they upset
>>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
>>>
>>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
>>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
>>> the Landis way.
>>
>> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>
> No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French team.
>
> The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
> non-French riders.
>
I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German) but
to ban those from a no-clean federation.
This pro-doped federations are some years late,
US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
> --
> simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; It appears that /dev/null is a conforming XSL processor.
>
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 16:03:57
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Montesquiou wrote:
> "Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 3k2ln4-1cn.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou> ('')
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le message
> >> de news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> >>> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
> >>>
> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
> >>>> they upset
> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
> >>>
> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
> >>> the Landis way.
> >>
> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
> >
> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French team.
> >
> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
> > non-French riders.
> >
> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German) but
> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
non issue in the spanish press.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 20:19:41
From: Alex Beascoechea
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:d7mmn4-ms3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> Montesquiou wrote:
>
>> "Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> 3k2ln4-1cn.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
>> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou>
>> > ('')
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le message
>> >> de news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>> >>> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>> >>>
>> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
>> >>>> were
>> >>>> they upset
>> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that
>> >>>> condition?
>> >>>
>> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
>> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
>> >>> the Landis way.
>> >>
>> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>> >
>> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
>> > team.
>> >
>> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
>> > non-French riders.
>> >
>
>> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
>> but
>> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
>> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
>> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
>
> Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
> genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
> non issue in the spanish press.
>
I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have been
big time dopers.
- Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
- Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
- Toasted chicken. We'll hear about his adventures in Italy
now that he is a pariath. Maybe he will
confess himself like Jan or writes a book. If he is proven to
have doped he is going to have a problem to live in Garda anylonger.
So there have been three guys you could root for in the last 20 years and
they all have turned out to be spam... I even used to be a MR fan till
this year and I saw his TT (amazing for someone that still TTrials
zigzaging).
As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may have
even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
performance this
year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the past. But if we put his
performance
relative to what was going on in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can be
quite
confident that the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco
could
hang with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb? Those
were the good times!!
You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
DK, DE, and other nordic
Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
than anybody.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 17:58:34
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Alex Beascoechea <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
> news:d7mmn4-ms3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> > Montesquiou wrote:
> >
> >> "Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
> >> 3k2ln4-1cn.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> >> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou>
> >> > ('')
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le message
> >> >> de news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> >> >>> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
> >> >>>> were
> >> >>>> they upset
> >> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that
> >> >>>> condition?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
> >> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
> >> >>> the Landis way.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
> >> >
> >> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
> >> > team.
> >> >
> >> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
> >> > non-French riders.
> >> >
> >
> >> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
> >> but
> >> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
> >> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
> >> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
> >
> > Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
> > genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
> > non issue in the spanish press.
> >
> I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
> reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have been
> big time dopers.
> - Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
> - Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
> - Toasted chicken.
You can add the belove mentioned names to the list - They have all
either admited, been exposed or convicted for doping. Arround 3/4 of
every dansih pro cyclist up until ca 2001.
Knud Enemark (Died prior to Simpson in 100km TTT at the Olympics)
Mogens Frey
Ole Ritter
Rolf Sørensen
Jesper Skibye
Brian Holm
Kim Andersen
Jesper Worre
Per Pedersen
Jøren V Pedersen
Nicholaj Bo Larsen
Lars Michaelsen
Jørgen Markussen
Thomas Bay
Jacob Piil
Nicky Sørensen
Peter Meinert
Hans Henrik Ørsted
Allan Johansen
Lennie Kristensen
Michael Blautzun
Johnny Weltz
add a large amount of amatour racers, track racers and other pro's
whos names i can't rember or don't know.
The only ones i can reasonably say didn't dope are:
Kim Eriksen
Leif Mortensen
Søren Lilholt
Alex Petersen
Kim Markusen
Jens Veggerby
Frank Høj
Kenneth Weltz
Christian Andersen
> As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may have
> even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
> performance this year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the
> past. But if we put his performance relative to what was going on
> in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can be quite confident that
> the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco could hang
> with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb? Those
> were the good times!!
> You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
> DK, DE, and other nordic
True, in a nordic courtroom inflicting damage to yourself isn't a
crime. You can dope, do drugs, prostitute yourself and even kill
yourself without beeing prosecuted.
However it's illigal to inflict damage to other people, thereas it's
illigal to distribute or sell drugs, aid other people in doping or
doing drugs and it has been for the majority of a century.
Secondly its imposible to buy a drug or doping product without a
pescription. I'd bet comming from just about any other country in
europe you would find any danish, norwegian or swedish farmecist to be
painfully rigid.
> Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
> than anybody.
Wanna bet that it's waaaayy easier to obtain EPO, kortizone,
growthhormone or testesterone in Spain than obtaining either of those
drugs in Denmark, Norway or Sweeden?
We can even include drugs like penecilin, antibiotica, subatmol or
even codein.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 20:10:06
From: Alex Beascoechea
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:aahpn4-oi9.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> Alex Beascoechea <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
>> news:d7mmn4-ms3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>> > Montesquiou wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> >> 3k2ln4-1cn.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
>> >> > in message <46a7ac6f$0$5102$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, <Montesquiou>
>> >> > ('')
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a crit dans le
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> de news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>> >> >>> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly
>> >> >>>> were
>> >> >>>> they upset
>> >> >>>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that
>> >> >>>> condition?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing
>> >> >>> at
>> >> >>> two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet
>> >> >>> positive
>> >> >>> the Landis way.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>> >> >
>> >> > No, no. French riders are clean. It was an Italian rider on a French
>> >> > team.
>> >> >
>> >> > The obvious solution to cleaning up the Tour is simply to ban all
>> >> > non-French riders.
>> >> >
>> >
>> >> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German)
>> >> but
>> >> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
>> >> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
>> >> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
>> >
>> > Spain? Appart from Operation Puerto, spainish riders and athletes in
>> > genreal a very rare to test positive. Secondly doping seems to be a
>> > non issue in the spanish press.
>> >
>
>> I am sure they talk much more in DK about doping, and with good
>> reason, as it seems that all danish cyclist of any note (3 or 4?) have
>> been
>> big time dopers.
>
>> - Bo Hamburger, first to be detected by an EPO test.
>> - Mr 64. now selfadmited after a decade of hypocrisy.
>> - Toasted chicken.
>
> You can add the belove mentioned names to the list - They have all
> either admited, been exposed or convicted for doping. Arround 3/4 of
> every dansih pro cyclist up until ca 2001.
>
> Knud Enemark (Died prior to Simpson in 100km TTT at the Olympics)
> Mogens Frey
> Ole Ritter
> Rolf Sørensen
> Jesper Skibye
> Brian Holm
> Kim Andersen
> Jesper Worre
> Per Pedersen
> Jøren V Pedersen
> Nicholaj Bo Larsen
> Lars Michaelsen
> Jørgen Markussen
> Thomas Bay
> Jacob Piil
> Nicky Sørensen
> Peter Meinert
> Hans Henrik Ørsted
> Allan Johansen
> Lennie Kristensen
> Michael Blautzun
> Johnny Weltz
>
> add a large amount of amatour racers, track racers and other pro's
> whos names i can't rember or don't know.
>
> The only ones i can reasonably say didn't dope are:
>
> Kim Eriksen
> Leif Mortensen
> Søren Lilholt
> Alex Petersen
> Kim Markusen
> Jens Veggerby
> Frank Høj
> Kenneth Weltz
> Christian Andersen
>
>> As for the spanish guys. Yes, of course some have doped too. Some may
>> have
>> even stopped recently. I personally feel quite reasured about their
>> performance this year. Yes, maybe even Contador has dopend in the
>> past. But if we put his performance relative to what was going on
>> in Disco in Lance's years, I think you can be quite confident that
>> the kid has some class too. Remeber when the whole Disco could hang
>> with Lance and the others till the first part of the last climb? Those
>> were the good times!!
>
>> You know, doping is illegal in Spain (and Italy and France) now , unlike
>> DK, DE, and other nordic
>
> True, in a nordic courtroom inflicting damage to yourself isn't a
> crime. You can dope, do drugs, prostitute yourself and even kill
> yourself without beeing prosecuted.
>
> However it's illigal to inflict damage to other people, thereas it's
> illigal to distribute or sell drugs, aid other people in doping or
> doing drugs and it has been for the majority of a century.
>
> Secondly its imposible to buy a drug or doping product without a
> pescription. I'd bet comming from just about any other country in
> europe you would find any danish, norwegian or swedish farmecist to be
> painfully rigid.
>
>> Hubris zealots. Concentrate on cleaning your own kicken, you need it more
>> than anybody.
>
> Wanna bet that it's waaaayy easier to obtain EPO, kortizone,
> growthhormone or testesterone in Spain than obtaining either of those
> drugs in Denmark, Norway or Sweeden?
>
> We can even include drugs like penecilin, antibiotica, subatmol or
> even codein.
>
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
We know very well that these countries have very strict substance control
legislation and enforcement. But the problem is that it does not work. And
that is why countries like Norway are full or drug/alcohol/gambling
addiction rehab
centers (I know NO relatively well)..You can eventually get what you want
from the government!
Abuse of everykind is cultural.
In Spain you can buy softdrugs (pretty much anywhere and drink alcohol since
infancy,
but you will rarely find completely drunk people in the street or rioting
and
destroying a restaurant as I have seen in Norway
It is the same about the reaction to doping. We know it happens and we
know it is a problem. We agree that if you get caught you are out. But that
is that. We do not make a big bonfire and burn some scapegoats and pull
our hair and ask for cycling to stop and the TdF to be terminated.
The reaction in scandinavia is somehow typical. But
I like to compare it with Germany (that I know pretty well). Till recently
here(DE)
everybody assumed that the German cyclist were the only clean ones (and
that is why they did not have a chance). It is the Spanish, Italians and
other
southern filth that cheat (sounds familiar?). Well, guess what? You turn a
stone in Germany and you find a cheat and doper. But now they want the whole
party (that they were aspiring to control with the help of UCI shut down).
If they want to start to cleanup they should start with the Tour of Germany
that is
nothing but an UCI abortion to try go milk the german cycling market.
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 03:07:20
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Alex Beascoechea <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com > wrote:
> We know very well that these countries have very strict substance control
> legislation and enforcement.
> But the problem is that it does not work. And
> that is why countries like Norway are full or drug/alcohol/gambling
> addiction rehab
> centers (I know NO relatively well)..You can eventually get what you want
> from the government!
> Abuse of everykind is cultural.
This relates to doping in elite cycling in what way?
> In Spain you can buy softdrugs (pretty much anywhere and drink alcohol since
> infancy,
> but you will rarely find completely drunk people in the street or rioting
> and
> destroying a restaurant as I have seen in Norway
Fjældaber - every respectable norwegian has an illicit distiller in
his basement :-)
> It is the same about the reaction to doping. We know it happens and we
> know it is a problem. We agree that if you get caught you are out. But that
> is that. We do not make a big bonfire and burn some scapegoats and pull
> our hair and ask for cycling to stop and the TdF to be terminated.
Neither do i...
> The reaction in scandinavia is somehow typical. But
> I like to compare it with Germany (that I know pretty well). Till recently
> here(DE)
> everybody assumed that the German cyclist were the only clean ones (and
> that is why they did not have a chance). It is the Spanish, Italians and
> other
> southern filth that cheat (sounds familiar?). Well, guess what? You turn a
> stone in Germany and you find a cheat and doper. But now they want the whole
> party (that they were aspiring to control with the help of UCI shut down)
???.
> If they want to start to cleanup they should start with the Tour of Germany
> that is nothing but an UCI abortion to try go milk the german cycling market.
I've got absolutely no opinion about a german protour race.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 12:00:00
From: alex beascoechea
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:8fhqn4-5u9.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> Alex Beascoechea <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> We know very well that these countries have very strict substance control
>> legislation and enforcement.
>> But the problem is that it does not work. And
>> that is why countries like Norway are full or drug/alcohol/gambling
>> addiction rehab
>> centers (I know NO relatively well)..You can eventually get what you want
>> from the government!
>> Abuse of everykind is cultural.
>
> This relates to doping in elite cycling in what way?
>
You were making a point (in a variety of threads) that doping is prevalent
in Spain because (among other things) it is so accessible (for example, to
bribe a pharmacist).
My point (if very circumvent an now out of context) was that having
something available does not necessarily make the locals dependent on it
(but the reverse could be true). And in particular, and finally going back
to pro cycling, this resource is available to everybody and even organized
in an international network, as the Fuentes case has shown. Pharmaceuticals
out of the loop in Spain or other countries are available both to Contador
and Michael Rasmussen . The consumers originate in the country where the
rewards for being successful and marketable bring more economic benefit.
Another point that you are making (also in multiple threads) is that there
is some political (and even judicial) interest in getting specific cyclists
off-the-hook in the Fuentes case ( which you set in a context of complete
corruption). I do not see why excluding Contador and De.Leon out of the list
of 9 involved cyclist from Liberty is so suspicious. The judge and the
sports authorities simply found there are not enough evidence about them.
For sure, there has not been any positive test yet. Why should they have
cared about him and not about Beloki?
Was it possible to be in Liberty and not dope? Difficult. But they were the
youngest and the least powerful to push for a treatment anyways. It must
be hard to get a piece of the medical budget when you have Toni Rominger
demanding personalized (Jan Ullrich/Tyler/Basso) level of treatment for his
customers (Vino) , we know it costs 50K/year.
So now we are 2 years later and Contador is leading. Should he (and the
others you claim are dopers by association to Ferrari or others) be excluded
to repair for the moral damages to Michael Rasmussen and the media campaign
against him?
So where is the standard you are looking for? Can you define the parameters?
If we strictly follow the law only positive B test should count, oder? In
that case Ivan Basso and Jan would probably winning this TdF by 10mins and
MR would have never developed (ultimately lethal) ambitions other than be a
worker for Menchov.
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 09:54:59
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> Fjældaber - every respectable norwegian has an illicit distiller in
> his basement :-)
Don't tell Ryan unless you want another political asylum refugee in
Norway.
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 08:16:18
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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In article <46aaf6c2$0$8637$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> > Fjældaber - every respectable norwegian has an illicit distiller in
> > his basement :-)
>
> Don't tell Ryan unless you want another political asylum refugee in
> Norway.
They'll never believe me. They'll assume it's all about oil.
Also, while LIVEDRUNK strongly supports home distilling, the mother of
Norwegian ingenuity is apalling (rbr accepted spelling) liquor taxes.
I mean, Canada's are bad, but not that bad,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 21:47:45
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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In article
<rcousine-6771C0.01161728072007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <46aaf6c2$0$8637$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> > > Fjældaber - every respectable norwegian has an illicit distiller in
> > > his basement :-)
> >
> > Don't tell Ryan unless you want another political asylum refugee in
> > Norway.
>
> They'll never believe me. They'll assume it's all about oil.
>
> Also, while LIVEDRUNK strongly supports home distilling, the mother of
> Norwegian ingenuity is apalling (rbr accepted spelling) liquor taxes.
>
> I mean, Canada's are bad, but not that bad,
I took a 5 gallon vegetable oil tin and cleaned it, and
stuck a length of 1/4" copper tubing in a hole punched
in the top. A mash of fruit and cane sugar fermented
for a few days went in, then on top of the stove. I
got a quart of eye watering hooch. Not actually nasty
or poisonous, and quite potent. Since then I read up on
pot still, still head, slobber box, condenser, thumper
keg, singlings, and doublings. Distilling spirits is a
doddle. If you want to eliminate the headache, run it
through a Brita water filter five times (flush a new
(or used) filter with fresh water three times). Oh, and
if you want to up-market your hooch a soupçon of
vanilla will turn the rawest drain cleaner into 16 year
old elixir.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 02:11:34
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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<Montesquiou > wrote in message
news:46a7f3c4$0$5095$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
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> I don't agree with you, the problem is not non-French ( or non-German) but
> to ban those from a no-clean federation.
> This pro-doped federations are some years late,
> US, Kazak, DK are large enough for to have their own tour, it is not ?
The real question is why the media and ASO of all people, are making a
laughing stock out of cycling. Anyone with the sense to understand basic
finance would know that you don't kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
As I pointed out yesterday, competitive professional Ballroom Dancing
suspended at least one person for not passing the "performance enhancing
drug tests". So how could you even suggest that drugs aren't something that
is an ongoing problem in the hardest of all sports?
We have to develop means to find and exclude the dopers but not to destroy
the sport because there are cheaters. There will always be cheaters in every
human endevor - noticed politicians?
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:17:54
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Montesquiou wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a écrit dans le message de
> news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> > RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
> >
> >> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
> >> they upset
> >> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
> >
> > Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
> > two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
> > the Landis way.
> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
Protesting rider on a French team.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:49:39
From:
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > a écrit dans le message de
news: 29rkn4-ho4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> Montesquiou wrote:
>
>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> a écrit dans le message de
>> news: dtckn4-pk4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>> > RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>> >
>> >> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were
>> >> they upset
>> >> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
>> >
>> > Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
>> > two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
>> > the Landis way.
>
>> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
>
> Protesting rider on a French team.
>
Are you telling he was an italian protesting in a french team ?
Merci, now I understand better.
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 01:53:12
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Montesquiou wrote:
> >> > Same old story. The french teams where protesting against racing at
> >> > two speeds. Incidently one of the protesting riders testet positive
> >> > the Landis way.
> >
> >> Are you telling he was a French protesting rider ?
> >
> > Protesting rider on a French team.
> >
> Are you telling he was an italian protesting in a french team ?
In case you haven't noticed, French teams do employ riders of none
French nationality. They've done it for years.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 17:29:42
From: kaiser
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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On Jul 25, 10:03 am, igles...@draco.nac.uci.edu (Mike Iglesias) wrote:
> In article <MPG.211135c2ef9e4f5d989...@news.giganews.com>,
> Hell and High Water <tifoso...@OVEcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >My take is simply:
>
What's he gonna do, ride around his teammates and give them the
Italian salute as he passes by?
> >They're just saying they're pissed off at the drug/doping/etc. crap.
>
> >Not to get anything done, just to let the fans know they don't like it.
>
> And one of those protesting today, Cristian Moreni of Cofidis, has
> been announced as positive for testosterone. Will ASO ask Cofidis, a
> French team, to leave the Tour?
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/news/?id=/news/2007/jul07...
>
> --
> Mike Iglesias Email: igles...@uci.edu
> University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
> Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 09:55:02
From: Dumbass
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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On Jul 25, 12:26 pm, Hell and High Water <tifoso...@OVEcomcast.net >
wrote:
> In article <p9tea3henpva1reaten8j2rej7n3s8f...@4ax.com>,
> ronso...@tampabay.rr.com says...
>
>
>
> > Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>
> > I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were they upset
> > about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
>
> My take is simply:
>
> They're just saying they're pissed off at the drug/doping/etc. crap.
>
> Not to get anything done, just to let the fans know they don't like it.
>
> -Bob
Big improvement over 98 and 96, when the riders were protesting the
drug testing. Now they are protesting the drug users.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 11:26:45
From: Hell and High Water
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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In article <p9tea3henpva1reaten8j2rej7n3s8faaf@4ax.com >,
ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com says...
>
>
> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>
> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were they upset
> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
My take is simply:
They're just saying they're pissed off at the drug/doping/etc. crap.
Not to get anything done, just to let the fans know they don't like it.
-Bob
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 19:45:48
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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Hell and High Water <tifosoREM@OVEcomcast.net > writes:
> In article <p9tea3henpva1reaten8j2rej7n3s8faaf@4ax.com>,
> ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com says...
>>
>>
>> Could someone explain to me exactly what this was about, please?
>>
>> I guess I'm neither French nor much of a protestor. What exactly were they upset
>> about and in what way was this action going to affect that condition?
>
> My take is simply:
>
> They're just saying they're pissed off at the drug/doping/etc. crap.
>
>
> Not to get anything done, just to let the fans know they don't like it.
>
But it as really chaotic at the start this morning
The video coverage was unbelievable
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 17:03:16
From: Mike Iglesias
Subject: Re: French teams protest by not starting promptly.
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In article <MPG.211135c2ef9e4f5d989adb@news.giganews.com >,
Hell and High Water <tifosoREM@OVEcomcast.net > wrote:
>My take is simply:
>
>They're just saying they're pissed off at the drug/doping/etc. crap.
>
>
>Not to get anything done, just to let the fans know they don't like it.
And one of those protesting today, Cristian Moreni of Cofidis, has
been announced as positive for testosterone. Will ASO ask Cofidis, a
French team, to leave the Tour?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/news/?id=/news/2007/jul07/jul25news5
--
Mike Iglesias Email: iglesias@uci.edu
University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926
Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069
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