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Date: 06 Feb 2007 09:49:52
From: bjorn
Subject: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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Jeremy Hunt wins it.
http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=321
Adding to the Unibet trouble was the decision that gambling
advertisement is not allowed in France, so they had to race with
neutral jersey. And no, this rule does not apply to La Francaise de
Jeux...
http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=320
bjorn
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 09:24:55
From: ilan
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 7, 5:53 pm, Curtis L. Russell <cur...@md-bicycling.org > wrote:
> On 7 Feb 2007 08:29:13 -0800, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Well, this certainly happened in the US. I think it was in 1983, when
> >CBS broadcast the last
> >stage of the Coors Classic. The problem is that the coverage was
> >sponsored by Lowenbrau or
> >some other beer company, so, for the benefit of TV, the race was
> >renamed "International Bicycle Classic"
> >for that broadcast alone.
>
> With current technology, they could change the billboards and logos on
> the start-finish line banner, like wall billboards in baseball. Its
> those damn direct feed helicopters that are making things difficult -
> otherwise they could wear their regular jerseys and the TV people
> could make them say Molteni.
>
> OTOH, a bike racer has problems handling one reality in the immediate
> post-race interview. Would have been funny if they asked Howard about
> winning the International Bicycle Classic and he gets a blank look and
> asks, "When?"
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Minor Molteni jersey fixation
OK, I didn't express myself clearly enough. John Howard had already
retired from mainstream bike racing
and was doing the color commentary, so the question posed to him was
about winning *previous* editions
of the American Bicycle Classic, an event that had previously never
existed!
-ilan
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 08:29:13
From: ilan
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 7, 2:58 pm, Finestre <no-...@nowhere.com > wrote:
> In article <1170824116.002772.320...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org says...
>
> > On Feb 6, 6:42 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > No, the distinction is that Unibet is trying to operate in France,
> > > while ONCE and Lotto
> > > were limited to their respective countries. Part of the role of the
> > > Francaise des Jeux
> > > is to control and discourage gambling, believe it or not.
>
> > Wasn't there recently an issue with a sponsor that
> > had to pull out because some country (France again?)
> > wouldn't permit advertising for alcohol as a chief sponsor
> > of sporting events?
>
> Yes, the European rugby cup is called the Heineken Cup - except in
> France, where it's called the H-Cup.
>
> And there was another issue a couple of years ago in the 6 Nations when
> Wales had their jerseys sponsored by Brains Brewery. When they played
> in Paris they changed the logo to say "Brawn" instead of "Brains".
> Which is quite fitting, really, because rugby players have usually had
> all their brains knocked out of them by the time they turn pro.
Well, this certainly happened in the US. I think it was in 1983, when
CBS broadcast the last
stage of the Coors Classic. The problem is that the coverage was
sponsored by Lowenbrau or
some other beer company, so, for the benefit of TV, the race was
renamed "International Bicycle Classic"
for that broadcast alone. At one point, they interviewed John Howard
(I think it was him, my memory is
not too clear on this exact point, 24 years later), and asked him
about winning the International Bicycle Classic
in the past. This incident was quite beneficial to me, as I realized
how TV media can create an alternate reality
which has little correspondence with what is actually going on. It was
later confirmed many times when I
saw reports of events that I experienced personally, e.g., hurricane
Rita in 2005, French riots in 2006.
-ilan
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 11:53:07
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On 7 Feb 2007 08:29:13 -0800, "ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Well, this certainly happened in the US. I think it was in 1983, when
>CBS broadcast the last
>stage of the Coors Classic. The problem is that the coverage was
>sponsored by Lowenbrau or
>some other beer company, so, for the benefit of TV, the race was
>renamed "International Bicycle Classic"
>for that broadcast alone.
With current technology, they could change the billboards and logos on
the start-finish line banner, like wall billboards in baseball. Its
those damn direct feed helicopters that are making things difficult -
otherwise they could wear their regular jerseys and the TV people
could make them say Molteni.
OTOH, a bike racer has problems handling one reality in the immediate
post-race interview. Would have been funny if they asked Howard about
winning the International Bicycle Classic and he gets a blank look and
asks, "When?"
Curtis L. Russell
Minor Molteni jersey fixation
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 07:59:59
From: bjorn
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 6, 9:49 am, "bjorn" <procyclingpr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Jeremy Hunt wins it.
>
> http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=321
>
> Adding to the Unibet trouble was the decision that gambling
> advertisement is not allowed in France, so they had to race with
> neutral jersey. And no, this rule does not apply to La Francaise de
> Jeux...
>
> http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=320
>
> bjorn
Here is the Unibet statement to the controversy:
http://www.unibetcycling.com/news/Teams_statement_France_ASO_020207JH.pdf
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:46:18
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 6, 3:14 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 6:49 pm, "bjorn" <procyclingpr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeremy Hunt wins it.
>
> >http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=321
>
> > Adding to the Unibet trouble was the decision that gambling
> > advertisement is not allowed in France, so they had to race with
> > neutral jersey. And no, this rule does not apply to La Francaise de
> > Jeux...
>
> >http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=320
>
> > bjorn
>
> They don't care about the advertising since they have allowed ONCE and
> Lotto in the past. It's that Unibet is
> challenging the French gambling monopoly.
>
> -ilan
dumbass,
this must be a recent change. unibet was around last year, in fact
they won this race last year with cooke.
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 21:42:27
From: DepartFictif
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 7, 5:55 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Feb 6, 6:42 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > No, the distinction is that Unibet is trying to operate in France,
> > while ONCE and Lotto
> > were limited to their respective countries. Part of the role of the
> > Francaise des Jeux
> > is to control and discourage gambling, believe it or not.
>
> Wasn't there recently an issue with a sponsor that
> had to pull out because some country (France again?)
> wouldn't permit advertising for alcohol as a chief sponsor
> of sporting events?
>
> Soccer teams aren't named for sponsors, but they do have
> priy sponsors on their jerseys. Do they ever run into
> this problem when playing in other countries?
>
> Ben
I don't konw about fotball, but F1 does. Not sure about France bu I
think the UK is the one with the tightest laws on that crap
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 09:38:34
From: Hegs
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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In article <1170826947.902317.86570@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com >,
"DepartFictif" <bordure@wanadoo.fr > wrote:
>I don't konw about fotball, but F1 does. Not sure about France bu I
>think the UK is the one with the tightest laws on that crap
Over here tobacco advertising is banned, so F1 etc. have to change their
logos when they race here. Funnily enough some of the sports that had
tobacco sponsors now have sponsorship from gambling companies.
Is there a lboro cycling team anywhere?.... if there is and they want
to wear their jerseys at July's Grande Depart then they can forget it!
Cheers
hegs
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 21:39:53
From: DepartFictif
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 6, 9:14 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 6:49 pm, "bjorn" <procyclingpr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeremy Hunt wins it.
>
> >http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=321
>
> > Adding to the Unibet trouble was the decision that gambling
> > advertisement is not allowed in France, so they had to race with
> > neutral jersey. And no, this rule does not apply to La Francaise de
> > Jeux...
>
> >http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=320
>
> > bjorn
>
> They don't care about the advertising since they have allowed ONCE and
> Lotto in the past. It's that Unibet is
> challenging the French gambling monopoly.
>
> -ilan
no, it's the lotto etc weren't operating on french soil. Unibet is
operating on french soil via internet. Of course the law doesn't
apply to FDJ, they are the national lottery people... DUH, why would
they take legal action against themselves.
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 20:55:16
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 6, 6:42 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> No, the distinction is that Unibet is trying to operate in France,
> while ONCE and Lotto
> were limited to their respective countries. Part of the role of the
> Francaise des Jeux
> is to control and discourage gambling, believe it or not.
Wasn't there recently an issue with a sponsor that
had to pull out because some country (France again?)
wouldn't permit advertising for alcohol as a chief sponsor
of sporting events?
Soccer teams aren't named for sponsors, but they do have
priy sponsors on their jerseys. Do they ever run into
this problem when playing in other countries?
Ben
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 13:58:23
From: Finestre
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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In article <1170824116.002772.320720@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org says...
> On Feb 6, 6:42 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > No, the distinction is that Unibet is trying to operate in France,
> > while ONCE and Lotto
> > were limited to their respective countries. Part of the role of the
> > Francaise des Jeux
> > is to control and discourage gambling, believe it or not.
>
> Wasn't there recently an issue with a sponsor that
> had to pull out because some country (France again?)
> wouldn't permit advertising for alcohol as a chief sponsor
> of sporting events?
Yes, the European rugby cup is called the Heineken Cup - except in
France, where it's called the H-Cup.
And there was another issue a couple of years ago in the 6 Nations when
Wales had their jerseys sponsored by Brains Brewery. When they played
in Paris they changed the logo to say "Brawn" instead of "Brains".
Which is quite fitting, really, because rugby players have usually had
all their brains knocked out of them by the time they turn pro.
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 16:46:32
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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Finestre wrote:
> Which is quite fitting, really, because rugby players have usually had
> all their brains knocked out of them by the time they turn pro.
If they had any to start with anyway.
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 17:42:59
From: ilan
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 6, 9:53 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> ilan wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 6:49 pm, "bjorn" <procyclingpr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > They don't care about the advertising since they have allowed ONCE and
> > Lotto in the past. It's that Unibet is
> > challenging the French gambling monopoly.
>
> > -ilan
>
> The nominal difference is between a national lottery and a private
> bookmaker, it seems.
>
> There is the same arbitrary distinction in the US.
>
> Dan
No, the distinction is that Unibet is trying to operate in France,
while ONCE and Lotto
were limited to their respective countries. Part of the role of the
Francaise des Jeux
is to control and discourage gambling, believe it or not.
-ilan
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 15:38:59
From: bjorn
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 6, 12:14 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 6, 6:49 pm, "bjorn" <procyclingpr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeremy Hunt wins it.
>
> >http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=3D321
>
> > Adding to the Unibet trouble was the decision that gambling
> > advertisement is not allowed in France, so they had to race with
> > neutral jersey. And no, this rule does not apply to La Francaise de
> > Jeux...
>
> >http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=3D320
>
> > bjorn
>
> They don't care about the advertising since they have allowed ONCE and
> Lotto in the past. It's that Unibet is
> challenging the French gambling monopoly.
>
I have found a few places where it says the law is that the
advertising ("publicit=E9 ") is prohibited.
>From http://www.cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=3D2947
"En plus du conflit qui l'oppose =E0 l'Union cycliste internationale
(UCI), ASO met en avant la l=E9gislation fran=E7aise qui interdit la
publicit=E9 pour les paris en ligne en dehors du monopole de la
Fran=E7aise des Jeux ou du PMU, qui ont r=E9cemment port=E9 plainte devant
la justice."
Of course in all practicality the purpose of the law is obviously the
same...
bjorn
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 09:38:57
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On 6 Feb 2007 15:38:59 -0800, bjorn wrote:
> "En plus du conflit qui l'oppose à l'Union cycliste internationale
> (UCI), ASO met en avant la législation française [...]
Exactly. The legal issue is the reason given but what is really going
on is a power struggle between the UCI and ASO (re: Unibet being
denied entry of Paris-Nice).
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 08 Feb 2007 03:16:10
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Exactly. The legal issue is the reason given but what is really going
> on is a power struggle between the UCI and ASO (re: Unibet being
> denied entry of Paris-Nice).
More evidence: in yesterday's Etoile de Besseges, Unibet.com were wearing
their usual jersies.
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 18:28:20
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On 6 Feb 2007 09:49:52 -0800, "bjorn" <procyclingpress@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Jeremy Hunt wins it.
>
>http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=321
>
Good for him. A few years ago I thought he was heading downhill and
would be out of the sport.
--
JT
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 12:14:37
From: ilan
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On Feb 6, 6:49 pm, "bjorn" <procyclingpr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Jeremy Hunt wins it.
>
> http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=321
>
> Adding to the Unibet trouble was the decision that gambling
> advertisement is not allowed in France, so they had to race with
> neutral jersey. And no, this rule does not apply to La Francaise de
> Jeux...
>
> http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=320
>
> bjorn
They don't care about the advertising since they have allowed ONCE and
Lotto in the past. It's that Unibet is
challenging the French gambling monopoly.
-ilan
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 20:53:38
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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ilan wrote:
> On Feb 6, 6:49 pm, "bjorn" <procyclingpr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They don't care about the advertising since they have allowed ONCE and
> Lotto in the past. It's that Unibet is
> challenging the French gambling monopoly.
>
> -ilan
>
The nominal difference is between a national lottery and a private
bookmaker, it seems.
There is the same arbitrary distinction in the US.
Dan
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 14:06:47
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: GP Ouverture - France. Result and Controversy
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On 6 Feb 2007 09:49:52 -0800, "bjorn" <procyclingpress@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Jeremy Hunt wins it.
>
>http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=321
>
>
>Adding to the Unibet trouble was the decision that gambling
>advertisement is not allowed in France, so they had to race with
>neutral jersey. And no, this rule does not apply to La Francaise de
>Jeux...
>
>http://www.unibetcycling.com/cycen/detail.php?id=320
>
>bjorn
Come now - bicycle racing can't afford controversy and scandal.
Anything the French do is alright by me. Especially the fries.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Working for a world without Microsoft. Will accept suggestions for a
theme song.
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