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Date: 20 Sep 2007 22:19:22
From: Jason Spaceman
Subject: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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There was an interview with Jeanson on the The National (CBC's nightly
news program) tonight. In it she admitted to taking EPO. She blames
her former coach André Aubut. The Sept. 20 edition of The National is
available online after 11pm EDT at
http://www.cbc.ca/national/latestbroadcast.html The Jeanson interview
starts at about 8 minutes or so in, after the story about the Canadian
dollar reaching par with the US dollar.
J. Spaceman
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 08:25:02
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Genevi=E8ve_Jeanson_admits_to_doping?=
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Jason Spaceman wrote:
> There was an interview with Jeanson on the The National (CBC's nightly
> news program) tonight. In it she admitted to taking EPO. She blames
> her former coach André Aubut. The Sept. 20 edition of The National is
> available online after 11pm EDT at
> http://www.cbc.ca/national/latestbroadcast.html The Jeanson interview
> starts at about 8 minutes or so in, after the story about the Canadian
> dollar reaching par with the US dollar.
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Living in Arizona I've seen her ride a
few times here. It was obvious, almost
immediately, that she was doping, on the
climbs. Abut, kept her as a prisoner,
because he was afraid she would
accidentally spill the beans. Abut, and
her parents are the monsters, it's
really sad that cycling can be turned
into such a horror story, but that seems
the way the sport is going. From one
horror story to the next.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 19:09:33
From: Marlene Blanshay
Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Genevi=E8ve_Jeanson_admits_to_doping?=
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i think her parents too are clueles...her father said that they never
would say no to genevieve and let her make her own decisions...hello!
she was 16! so they let her go live with this guy in arizona. And he
also wouldn't go to pratices so he wouldn't see Aubut abusing her
verbally. What kind of useless parents are these? They just abandon
their responsibility for a bunch of gold medals? This is your kid!
I used to them training at a gym where i used to go, and i remember
noticing a very weird vibe. Not sexual at all...more like he was very
controlling, but not in a scary abusive way. Like he controlled
everything she did, how many situps or whatever, and she seemed to be
totally under his spell; like she had no mind of her own. She would have
been about 16 or 17. I thought it was kind of odd. Genevieve was very
meek and didn't speak to anyone. I just thought it was kind of creepy.
Then I didn't see her again for a while, and when she returned she had
become very very skinny; she was always skinny, but she had become even
skinnier. And her muscles were much more defined; she wore a two piece
and her abs were like those of a man, really square; it made me kind of
think, hmmm...i didn't think DOPE but i was suspicious...something just
seemed off. And that would have been right at the time she says she
started doping.
Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
> Jason Spaceman wrote:
>> There was an interview with Jeanson on the The National (CBC's nightly
>> news program) tonight. In it she admitted to taking EPO. She blames
>> her former coach André Aubut. The Sept. 20 edition of The National is
>> available online after 11pm EDT at
>> http://www.cbc.ca/national/latestbroadcast.html The Jeanson interview
>> starts at about 8 minutes or so in, after the story about the Canadian
>> dollar reaching par with the US dollar.
> ---------------
> Living in Arizona I've seen her ride a few times here. It was obvious,
> almost immediately, that she was doping, on the climbs. Abut, kept her
> as a prisoner, because he was afraid she would accidentally spill the
> beans. Abut, and her parents are the monsters, it's really sad that
> cycling can be turned into such a horror story, but that seems the way
> the sport is going. From one horror story to the next.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 22:29:18
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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"Marlene Blanshay" <blanshay@videotron.ca > wrote in message
news:kghJi.4677$M31.16150@weber.videotron.net...
> i think her parents too are clueles...her father said that they never
> would say no to genevieve and let her make her own decisions...hello!
> she was 16! so they let her go live with this guy in arizona. And he
> also wouldn't go to pratices so he wouldn't see Aubut abusing her
> verbally. What kind of useless parents are these? They just abandon
> their responsibility for a bunch of gold medals? This is your kid!
>
> I used to them training at a gym where i used to go, and i remember
> noticing a very weird vibe. Not sexual at all...more like he was very
> controlling, but not in a scary abusive way. Like he controlled
> everything she did, how many situps or whatever, and she seemed to be
> totally under his spell; like she had no mind of her own. She would have
> been about 16 or 17. I thought it was kind of odd. Genevieve was very
> meek and didn't speak to anyone. I just thought it was kind of creepy.
> Then I didn't see her again for a while, and when she returned she had
> become very very skinny; she was always skinny, but she had become even
> skinnier. And her muscles were much more defined; she wore a two piece
> and her abs were like those of a man, really square; it made me kind of
> think, hmmm...i didn't think DOPE but i was suspicious...something just
> seemed off. And that would have been right at the time she says she
> started doping.
Anne Samplonius and Louis Barbeau spoke out in today's Star.
http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/259333
Barbeau said that Jeanson's father was often a witness to Aubut's outbursts.
"You would see her father being there and acting like he could do nothing,"
he said. "I just couldn't believe it. I have two children myself. I would
never accepted any type of abuse like that. To have someone that stands
there and does nothing and allows this kind of abuse to happen, I still
don't get it. "To me, Aubut is largely responsible for that but I certainly
think that the parents have a responsibility as well for letting something
like that happen. They basically abdicated their responsibilities."
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 21:11:46
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Genevi=E8ve_Jeanson_admits_to_doping?=
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Marlene Blanshay wrote:
> i think her parents too are clueles...her father said that they never
> would say no to genevieve and let her make her own decisions...hello!
> she was 16! so they let her go live with this guy in arizona. And he
> also wouldn't go to pratices so he wouldn't see Aubut abusing her
> verbally. What kind of useless parents are these? They just abandon
> their responsibility for a bunch of gold medals? This is your kid!
>
> I used to them training at a gym where i used to go, and i remember
> noticing a very weird vibe. Not sexual at all...more like he was very
> controlling, but not in a scary abusive way. Like he controlled
> everything she did, how many situps or whatever, and she seemed to be
> totally under his spell; like she had no mind of her own. She would have
> been about 16 or 17. I thought it was kind of odd. Genevieve was very
> meek and didn't speak to anyone. I just thought it was kind of creepy.
> Then I didn't see her again for a while, and when she returned she had
> become very very skinny; she was always skinny, but she had become even
> skinnier. And her muscles were much more defined; she wore a two piece
> and her abs were like those of a man, really square; it made me kind of
> think, hmmm...i didn't think DOPE but i was suspicious...something just
> seemed off. And that would have been right at the time she says she
> started doping.
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I love how everyone feels so sorry for Geneviéve. She won more races
than anyone else in North America...went to the Olympics...made hundreds
of thousands of dollars before she turned 25. And everyone talks about
how bad and horrible her life was.
I got news for you - I don't see any reason to feel sorry for her, let
alone for having defined abs or being "quiet."
People are way too preoccupied with her relationship with Aubut.
Magilla
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 22:22:28
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fd4egi$5md$1@aioe.org...
> I love how everyone feels so sorry for Geneviéve. She won more races
> than anyone else in North America...went to the Olympics...made hundreds
> of thousands of dollars before she turned 25. And everyone talks about
> how bad and horrible her life was.
Jeanson's career at a glance
Won both the time trial and road race at the 1999 world junior
championships, the first Canadian to ever accomplish the feat. Wins the
prestigious La Flèche Wallonne in Belgium in 2000, her first World Cup
victory. Finished 11th in the road race in her only Olympics in 2000. In
2001, she won the Redlands Bicycle Race, Tour of the Gila and Montreal World
Cup, an event she would win four times . Won nine medals at the Canadian
championships
Catherine Marsal said that Jeanson was a champion who would have won races
without doping. The fact is Jeanson was still a great natural talent, a pure
climber, and perhaps the 2nd best women climber in history after Luperini.
(IMHO). She burned the candle at both ends, and for such a great talent to
leave the sport at such a young age is a pity, but she said she was lonely
at the top, and was never happy. Besides winning Fleche Wallone and the Tour
De Snowy, she never got the chance to enter the big stage races, Tour de
l'Aude, Grande Boucle, Giro De Feminin. I always wondered how well she would
of done in those races, but she did win Montreal 4 times, and Toona twice,
2005 with the asterisk.
GBMT
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 20:03:07
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com > wrote in message
news:e9Wdne_iEc_damjbnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@sti.net...
>
>
> Catherine Marsal said that Jeanson was a champion who would have won races
> without doping. The fact is Jeanson was still a great natural talent, a
> pure
> climber, and perhaps the 2nd best women climber in history after Luperini.
> (IMHO).
I don't understand how anyone would know her natural talents. She said that
she started on rhEPO when she was 16 years old.
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 03:19:33
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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In article <fd4egi$5md$1@aioe.org >,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Marlene Blanshay wrote:
> > i think her parents too are clueles...her father said that they never
> > would say no to genevieve and let her make her own decisions...hello!
> > she was 16! so they let her go live with this guy in arizona. And he
> > also wouldn't go to pratices so he wouldn't see Aubut abusing her
> > verbally. What kind of useless parents are these? They just abandon
> > their responsibility for a bunch of gold medals? This is your kid!
> >
> > I used to them training at a gym where i used to go, and i remember
> > noticing a very weird vibe. Not sexual at all...more like he was very
> > controlling, but not in a scary abusive way. Like he controlled
> > everything she did, how many situps or whatever, and she seemed to be
> > totally under his spell; like she had no mind of her own. She would have
> > been about 16 or 17. I thought it was kind of odd. Genevieve was very
> > meek and didn't speak to anyone. I just thought it was kind of creepy.
> > Then I didn't see her again for a while, and when she returned she had
> > become very very skinny; she was always skinny, but she had become even
> > skinnier. And her muscles were much more defined; she wore a two piece
> > and her abs were like those of a man, really square; it made me kind of
> > think, hmmm...i didn't think DOPE but i was suspicious...something just
> > seemed off. And that would have been right at the time she says she
> > started doping.
>
> --------------
>
> I love how everyone feels so sorry for Geneviéve. She won more races
> than anyone else in North America...went to the Olympics...made hundreds
> of thousands of dollars before she turned 25. And everyone talks about
> how bad and horrible her life was.
>
> I got news for you - I don't see any reason to feel sorry for her, let
> alone for having defined abs or being "quiet."
>
> People are way too preoccupied with her relationship with Aubut.
>
>
> Magilla
You dumb ape:
Yeah, that's a good point. There's a few things here, though:
1) half the people she raced against hate her. And for all the reasons
you noted, fair point
2) she's now voluntarily left the sport, arguably a decade earlier than
she would have, a combination of burnout, EPO scandal, Aubut, and simple
shame.
3) for those of us who are anti-dope for pros, Geneviève is pretty much
the poster-child for why dope is bad: ambitious juniors are channeled
into doping programs at the age of 16. Now, 16 year-olds are smart
enough to know that doping is wrong, but for reasons both physiological
and social, we generally don't assume they have grown-up levels of
volition until at least 18 or so (19 is the age of majority in Canada; I
think in the US it's 35 or something, when you can be president).
5) yeah, she was a dirty cheat, and I think it's fair that she never
race again. But you could argue that her shortened career will cost her
far more money than she ever could have gained through doping
6) hundreds of thousands of dollars? Was RONA really paying its top
rider in the neighbourhood of $50k/a? Because that seems high.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 15:10:35
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Genevi=E8ve_Jeanson_admits_to_doping?=
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> --------------
>
> I love how everyone feels so sorry for Geneviéve. She won more races
> than anyone else in North America...went to the Olympics...made hundreds
> of thousands of dollars before she turned 25. And everyone talks about
> how bad and horrible her life was.
>
> I got news for you - I don't see any reason to feel sorry for her, let
> alone for having defined abs or being "quiet."
>
> People are way too preoccupied with her relationship with Aubut.
>
>
> Magilla
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You have a point. If Aubut wouldn't
have shot her up with the dope, we
wouldn't even know her name.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 19:07:21
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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"Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:13fbhmcgm86pt5f@corp.supernews.com...
>
>> --------------
>>
>> I love how everyone feels so sorry for Geneviéve. She won more races
>> than anyone else in North America...went to the Olympics...made hundreds
>> of thousands of dollars before she turned 25. And everyone talks about
>> how bad and horrible her life was.
>>
>> I got news for you - I don't see any reason to feel sorry for her, let
>> alone for having defined abs or being "quiet."
>>
>> People are way too preoccupied with her relationship with Aubut.
>>
>>
>> Magilla
> -----------
> You have a point. If Aubut wouldn't have shot her up with the dope, we
> wouldn't even know her name.
Yep, and some people still question the affects of rhEPO on an endurance
athlete.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 03:06:09
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org > wrote in message
news:s7a6f3d4e05r165girg2rf9s6cofl9lfhf@4ax.com...
> There was an interview with Jeanson on the The National (CBC's nightly
> news program) tonight. In it she admitted to taking EPO. She blames
> her former coach André Aubut. The Sept. 20 edition of The National is
> available online after 11pm EDT at
> http://www.cbc.ca/national/latestbroadcast.html The Jeanson interview
> starts at about 8 minutes or so in, after the story about the Canadian
> dollar reaching par with the US dollar.
Try this: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2007/09/20/jeanson-doping.html
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 05:57:16
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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In article <ByGIi.77524$bO6.56421@edtnps89 >,
"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net > wrote:
> "Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
> news:s7a6f3d4e05r165girg2rf9s6cofl9lfhf@4ax.com...
> > There was an interview with Jeanson on the The National (CBC's nightly
> > news program) tonight. In it she admitted to taking EPO. She blames
> > her former coach André Aubut. The Sept. 20 edition of The National is
> > available online after 11pm EDT at
> > http://www.cbc.ca/national/latestbroadcast.html The Jeanson interview
> > starts at about 8 minutes or so in, after the story about the Canadian
> > dollar reaching par with the US dollar.
>
> Try this: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2007/09/20/jeanson-doping.html
Awfully sad story. On one hand, she was coached by Abut from 15, and
first took EPO at 16. I can't blame a teenager that much for making bad
decisions.
ObCreepy: this report says she used to be married to Abut (!)
http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews/August/8.28.076.00PM43.shtml
Which, basically, is just wrong.
I thought it was quite nice that the CBC video report had quotes from
Sue Palmer-Komar saying, basically, "she stole from us."
Which is fair comment.
Also, the one report says Genevieve is running a restaurant in AZ, and
the CBC says she has an online bike shop.
-Is it both?
-What's the bike shop? A web screenshot is briefly shown in the video,
but I can't read any of the text. Only a rough idea of the layout.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 00:48:19
From: InTransit
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-8F4236.22571620092007@news.telus.net...
> In article <ByGIi.77524$bO6.56421@edtnps89>,
> "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> wrote:
> ObCreepy: this report says she used to be married to Abut (!)
Old news.
> Also, the one report says Genevieve is running a restaurant in AZ, and
> the CBC says she has an online bike shop.
>
> -Is it both?
I think she left the restaurant business. If you look at the building, the
signs are more or less just banners that say All Day Breakfast and Huge
Burgers, not really professional looking at all. Help Wanted too!
In the interview, sometimes her hair was in spikes, red, purple, green,
etc. Other times she wore a cowboy hat. There was almost no English, except
once she said, "I don't give a flying fuck".
She said she doped before Hamilton and Mount Royal, and didn't take anything
five days before an event. She said she doped all through her career,
starting around 16 years old.
She married Aubut in April 2006 and divorce six months later.
Amy Moore also spoke in English that she saw Aubut throw Jeanson's plate of
food across the room because she wasn't eating fast enough. Also Le Floc'h
and Catherine Marsal spoke in French. She also spoke loudy and bombastic at
times about Bessette and other issues. In English Jeanson says "I am using
very strong words." Manon Jutras also spoke in French. A tent was also shown
with Jeanson inside.
Perhaps the audio will be releashed in an english script.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 08:27:19
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Geneviève Jeanson admits to doping
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"InTransit" <InTransit@InTransit.com > wrote in message
news:a5KdnYaYFoTZ627bnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d@sti.net...
>
> "Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
> news:rcousine-8F4236.22571620092007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <ByGIi.77524$bO6.56421@edtnps89>,
> > "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> wrote:
>
The English speaking 4 minute clip I saw this morning is only a fraction of
the 4 part interview Radio Canada aired. It's almost as small as their
Jeanson intro piece, which is a seperate fifth part, but even the Radio
Canada segments cut off in mid sentence and don't start up again in the same
place. It's like even these much larger segments are yet part of a larger
documentary which they cut out segments.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 10:21:49
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Genevi=E8ve?= Jeanson admits to doping
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InTransit wrote:
> Amy Moore also spoke in English that she saw Aubut throw Jeanson's plate of
> food across the room because she wasn't eating fast enough.
An eating TT (ETT). Now that's something the fatty masters would
excel at.
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