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Date: 14 Feb 2007 03:51:02
From: Bill C
Subject: Gonna regret this
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I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike. It's a last resort
combined with swimming where I'm in danger of being harpooned.
Got another surgery coming up for a couple of meniscus tears and a
partially torn ACL. The other knee is junk too. My low back where it
ties to the pelvis is still screwed so the upright position on my mag
trainer, and stretched out Kettler Racer position don't work right
now. Crying after A 20 minute spin just isn't manly, ya know.
Anyone know anything about those things? Lyn, you got any ideas since
your actually working as a trainer?
Just the idea gives me the creeps but I've got to ditch close to
100lbs and want to do it in the next year.
Bill C
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 13:27:16
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Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 1:43 pm, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Feb 14, 8:10 am, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 14, 6:51 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> > > I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike.
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > good call. recumbents have lots of advantages over ass-hatchets - like
> > being able to wank it while riding.
>
> Someday there will be a re-cum racing team called the Yankees.
Or maybe they'll find a slavic billionaire and become the
dzherkoffs...
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 16:01:42
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 12:51 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike. It's a last resort
> combined with swimming where I'm in danger of being harpooned.
> Got another surgery coming up for a couple of meniscus tears and a
> partially torn ACL. The other knee is junk too. My low back where it
> ties to the pelvis is still screwed so the upright position on my mag
> trainer, and stretched out Kettler Racer position don't work right
> now. Crying after A 20 minute spin just isn't manly, ya know.
> Anyone know anything about those things? Lyn, you got any ideas since
> your actually working as a trainer?
> Just the idea gives me the creeps but I've got to ditch close to
> 100lbs and want to do it in the next year.
> Bill C
Personally, I only use a recumbent exercise bike, e.g., when there is
a choice at a gym between
"normal" and recumbent. The main reason is that you can adjust your
position continuously by
sitting on the recumbent chair, and find something just right. On the
"normal" bike, you are limited
to their adjustment notches, that are spaced at least 1 inch apart.
The other reason is that I find the
recumbent more comfortable, given the horrible saddles provided on
exercise bikes.
-ilan
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 14:04:22
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 3:48 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> The thought of riding
> a 'bent on the road scares the hell out of me.
Safety in numbers. I rode a Tour of the Inner Loop (informal name) in
Houston, Wed. nights. Craziest thing I ever did on a bike. Group #'s
made it possible. Had a 'bent or two along fairly often. Not the most
comfortable mix with road bikes; however, very do-able. But, let's
hope for the road bike to be an option, and soon <g >.
> Maybe if it was faired and painted
> flourescent chartreuse, pink, and yellow they might notice it.
That's what the little orange flag on the stick is for.
> It was a great sequence. The back had actually gotten to be pretty
> decent this summer/fall, then (snip snip snip)
"cut that shit out"
Screw it, Bill. Look at it this way: if you live long enough, there's
a 'bent in everybody's future. "Better than the alternative". --D-y
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 14:03:59
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 2:30 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 14, 3:51 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Just the idea gives me the creeps but I've got to ditch close to
> > 100lbs and want to do it in the next year.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> Don't forget the dieting part. One doesn't work without the other.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
Yeah, gotta get that part sorted out. It's like Tom P pointed out, I'm
so used to being able to get away with most anything that it's tough
to readjust the mindset.
Once I stopped being serious in the gym I gave up being totally anal
about weighing, calculating and scheduling, and logging everything
food related. Riding really made it even easier to cheat, along with
doing serious physical work all day.
Now all that's out the window and it's a real bitch to readjust the
mentality. You've said it a million times, it's about willpower ands
motivation. At this point the motivation is to keep some cartilage in
the knees, not have the back hacked, and get back to riding at least 5
days a week.
I can't tell people enough what a BAD idea hardcore powerlifting is
for your skeleton. It's so damn addictive though. You see the huge
weights move, you end up fried like we do at the top of a serious
climb when you blow right after the top, and it feels SO damned good,
but cycling doesn't wreck your joints and builds cardio.
I don't regret it all, but I wish I'd stuck to cycling instead
sometimes. That said, it's still cool to pick up 600lbs.
Bill C
Thanks everyone.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 17:41:03
From: nobody
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On 14 Feb 2007 14:03:59 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>On Feb 14, 2:30 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 14, 3:51 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Just the idea gives me the creeps but I've got to ditch close to
>> > 100lbs and want to do it in the next year.
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>> Don't forget the dieting part. One doesn't work without the other.
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> K. Gringioni.
>
>Yeah, gotta get that part sorted out. It's like Tom P pointed out, I'm
>so used to being able to get away with most anything that it's tough
>to readjust the mindset.
> Once I stopped being serious in the gym I gave up being totally anal
>about weighing, calculating and scheduling, and logging everything
>food related. Riding really made it even easier to cheat, along with
>doing serious physical work all day.
> Now all that's out the window and it's a real bitch to readjust the
>mentality. You've said it a million times, it's about willpower ands
>motivation. At this point the motivation is to keep some cartilage in
>the knees, not have the back hacked, and get back to riding at least 5
>days a week.
> I can't tell people enough what a BAD idea hardcore powerlifting is
>for your skeleton. It's so damn addictive though. You see the huge
>weights move, you end up fried like we do at the top of a serious
>climb when you blow right after the top, and it feels SO damned good,
>but cycling doesn't wreck your joints and builds cardio.
> I don't regret it all, but I wish I'd stuck to cycling instead
>sometimes. That said, it's still cool to pick up 600lbs.
> Bill C
> Thanks everyone.
Hi Bill.
Look into the Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF).
If you can get behind consuming about 200gms of protein per day (egg
whites, chicken breasts, etc.) and not much else (except for fishoil caps,
minerals, vitamins) you can do it in a year. (Oprah did, but used liquid
protein).
Use 'Fitday.com' to put in your food totals.
For further instructions see Lyle McDonald's 'Rapid Fat Loss Diet' on
Amazon.
Good luck.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 17:14:02
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On 14 Feb 2007 14:03:59 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net >
wrote:
>You've said it a million times, it's about willpower ands
>motivation.
Well, I'm not in your situation, but know we only have so much
willpower. Make it easy on yourself and control the shopping. What
you don't have around you you can't eat.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 13:48:42
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 2:24 pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> > I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike.
>
> 'Bents per se are not evil. It's the attitude that sometimes
> comes with them that gets people into trouble around here.
>
> When you start thinking that everyone would be riding 'bents
> if only they were as st as you, and not brainwashed by the
> major bicycle manufacturers... that's when you need to watch
> out.
>
> I know a guy with a fully faired Lightning. Under the right
> conditions he can haul ass just like the lead out trains
> that guys like Cipo had, except he's just one guy. It's really
> cool, no two ways about it. If I was going to blow a couple
> of grand on a bike I'd get one of those over any LANCE-approved
> wonder bike.
>
> Bob Schwartz
>
> Bob Schwartz
Thanks for all the good advice and suggestions. The thought of riding
a 'bent on the road scares the hell out of me. Idiots run down
motorcycles, regular bicycles, and anything else that moves and is
really visible. Being down that low, where they aren't expecting you
just seems suicidal to me. Maybe if it was faired and painted
flourescent chartreuse, pink, and yellow they might notice it.
I love the bikes I have and am just hoping that once the knee is
fixed again the back will clear up.
It was a great sequence. The back had actually gotten to be pretty
decent this summer/fall, then I stepped into a woodchuck hole, on a
wet grass slope carrying a full contractor bag of trash. Instant high
ankle sprain and crutches. That threw things off enough to reaggravate
the back. I think the compensating for that and just landing weird
coming out of the truck one day did the knee in. It seems like it
should be amazing how all this ties together, but if you think about
the tiny adjustments in cleat position, saddle height and position,
and how much of a difference it all makes and the fact that we can
feel all of it instantly I guess it's not really that amazing.
I still talk to Jeff Potter once in a great while over on the
"outdoor" side of things.
Bill C
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 15:53:45
From: h squared
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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Bill C wrote:
> Thanks for all the good advice and suggestions. The thought of riding
> a 'bent on the road scares the hell out of me. Idiots run down
> motorcycles, regular bicycles, and anything else that moves and is
> really visible. Being down that low, where they aren't expecting you
> just seems suicidal to me.
you need to put a big orange safety flag on the back of the recumbent to
aid with visibility (i know it sounds humorous, but i mean it!)
be careful though- i've seen beginning bent riders just plain 'ol fall
over when trying to make an easy turn- not a good move in traffic.
> It was a great sequence. The back had actually gotten to be pretty
> decent this summer/fall, then I stepped into a woodchuck hole, on a
> wet grass slope carrying a full contractor bag of trash. Instant high
> ankle sprain and crutches. That threw things off enough to reaggravate
> the back. I think the compensating for that and just landing weird
> coming out of the truck one day did the knee in.
getting old sucks. i put out my knee (not at all to your extreme though)
just stepping across a loading dock into the back of a truck, so for now
my exercise du jour is walking. so far i'm healing nicely, but wtf, now
i can get injured just movin' around? i believe the manual that came
with my body said it was ok to step across an 8 inch gap...
wishing you good luck finding a solution that works *and* that you like :)
h
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 10:00:48
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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h squared wrote:
> i can get injured just movin' around? i believe the manual that came
> with my body said it was ok to step across an 8 inch gap...
Perhaps you've got a Bianchi body and the EU warranty period just ran out.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 19:34:54
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:53:45 -0800, h squared
<clevis@c.o.m.c.a.s.t.n.e.t > wrote:
>you need to put a big orange safety flag on the back of the recumbent to
>aid with visibility (i know it sounds humorous, but i mean it!)
I ride a recumbent more than a diamond frame and the visibility tends
to be greater on the recumbent. First of all, only a low rider has
your profile that much lower - your head tends to be only a tad lower
than your diamond frame when over the bars. And most recumbents have a
wider profile with the seats and, in some cases, handlebars (not to
mention a lot of the riders). Once they see you, they tend to not
forget the recumbent is ahead.
And looking straight ahead, a recumbent rider tends to have the same
advantages as a hybrid rider. Looking to the rear, OTOH, takes either
a bit of experience or a mirror.
The diamond frame is seen and often dismissed as 'normal'. No problem
as long as everyone follows the rules of the road, but still, if you
are talking visibility, I think the recumbent tends to be effectively
more visible. Just an opinion from riding diamond frames for about 50
years now and recumbents for more than ten. And I would make an
exception for hilly roads around sunrise or sunset, when the sun is in
the eyes of the motorists.
OTOH, the flags do serve a purpose. You can't stand on the pedals to
see down a hilly road, so it does make it easier to see the other
riders.
I commute on a Bike Friday or diamond frame, though. I can ride down a
center stripe all day on a recumbent (not that it generally goes
anywhere), but the Bike Friday is more maneuverable between lanes of
traffic during rush hour. Probably the only time I have any issue with
the recumbent. And if you carry it up a couple of flights of stairs,
the Bike Friday is a tad easier. OK, way easier.
The recumbent tandem, BTW, is definitely seen on the road. I almost
killed a guy because of that (sort of) - had the Double Vision on top
of a Saab 900 and a guy turned around to see a chain wheel at about
eye level and stepped into the roadway on Route 1 in College Park -
not much maneuvering room, especially with a big bike on a roof top
rack.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 03:54:12
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:dq97t2pl7ibm36ee7ea3c2gdhk3el37nuq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:53:45 -0800, h squared
> <clevis@c.o.m.c.a.s.t.n.e.t> wrote:
>
>>you need to put a big orange safety flag on the back of the recumbent to
>>aid with visibility (i know it sounds humorous, but i mean it!)
>
> I ride a recumbent more than a diamond frame
That figures.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 17:13:12
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On 14 Feb 2007 13:48:42 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net >
wrote:
>The thought of riding
>a 'bent on the road scares the hell out of me.
The thought just freaks me out for no ratinoal reason whatsoever.
Get the surgery, do the rehab, ride the indoor recumbent and aim to
get back to someday on the upright. Heck, even one of those old folks
tricycles is better than a recumbent in my book if that's what it
takes to ride outside.
--
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 13:43:26
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 8:10 am, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 14, 6:51 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> > I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike.
>
> dumbass,
>
> good call. recumbents have lots of advantages over ass-hatchets - like
> being able to wank it while riding.
Someday there will be a re-cum racing team called the Yankees.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 11:30:21
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 3:51 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> Just the idea gives me the creeps but I've got to ditch close to
> 100lbs and want to do it in the next year.
Dumbass -
Don't forget the dieting part. One doesn't work without the other.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 19:24:01
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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Bill C wrote:
> I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike.
'Bents per se are not evil. It's the attitude that sometimes
comes with them that gets people into trouble around here.
When you start thinking that everyone would be riding 'bents
if only they were as st as you, and not brainwashed by the
major bicycle manufacturers... that's when you need to watch
out.
I know a guy with a fully faired Lightning. Under the right
conditions he can haul ass just like the lead out trains
that guys like Cipo had, except he's just one guy. It's really
cool, no two ways about it. If I was going to blow a couple
of grand on a bike I'd get one of those over any LANCE-approved
wonder bike.
Bob Schwartz
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 11:55:29
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On 14 Feb 2007 03:51:02 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
> I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
>I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike. It's a last resort
>combined with swimming where I'm in danger of being harpooned.
> Got another surgery coming up for a couple of meniscus tears and a
>partially torn ACL. The other knee is junk too. My low back where it
>ties to the pelvis is still screwed so the upright position on my mag
>trainer, and stretched out Kettler Racer position don't work right
>now. Crying after A 20 minute spin just isn't manly, ya know.
> Anyone know anything about those things? Lyn, you got any ideas since
>your actually working as a trainer?
> Just the idea gives me the creeps but I've got to ditch close to
>100lbs and want to do it in the next year.
> Bill C
For any sort of large exercise equipment look into Goodwill, Salvation Army and
other like thrift stores or Play it Again Sports. The for-profit store is
usually cheaper and all are full of treads and stationaries of all types (mostly
unused condition) for a fraction of new prices.
Here's hoping you beat this spiral.
Best
Ron
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 08:10:17
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 6:51 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike.
dumbass,
good call. recumbents have lots of advantages over ass-hatchets - like
being able to wank it while riding.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 07:44:07
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Feb 14, 8:54 am, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid > wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> > I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike. It's a last resort
> > [...] Just the idea gives me the creeps
>
> Do what you need to do. If people don't understand that, you don't want to
> know them anyway.
It's a bitch for us old roadies when the old M-O ("I'll just go ride")
isn't an option. Especially (speaking for meself) the old furnace-
stoking eating habits remain.
I go to the Y sometimes. Barca-bikes, TV's, young women. Um, sweaty
young women, panting. What's not to like?
So, go get 'bent already!
Good luck, Bill. --D-y
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 15:54:09
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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Bill C wrote:
> I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
> I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike. It's a last resort
> [...] Just the idea gives me the creeps
Do what you need to do. If people don't understand that, you don't want to
know them anyway.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 16:33:46
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:54:09 +0100, Robert Chung wrote:
> Do what you need to do. If people don't understand that,
> you don't want to know them anyway.
You only want to know people who understand what you do? Presumably
that's why you teach then; so you can make friends, literally.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 17:22:04
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:54:09 +0100, Robert Chung wrote:
>> Do what you need to do. If people don't understand that,
>> you don't want to know them anyway.
>
> You only want to know people who understand what you do?
If that were the rule, I'm not sure I'd know anyone. But what I was saying
was that when you do something you *need to do* then I expect that my
friends will understand that there was no other choice.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 07:31:15
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Gonna regret this
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On 14 Feb 2007 03:51:02 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net >
wrote:
> I should probably ask over at RB Soc or a RB total loser geek, but
>I'm looking at getting a recumbent exercise bike. It's a last resort
>combined with swimming where I'm in danger of being harpooned.
eBay? Maybe also I'd be looking for some bikes a gym is getting rid of
to make space for the latest trend.
--
JT
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