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Date: 29 Jan 2007 14:26:24
From: ilan
Subject: Good Iranians
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I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
-ilan
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Date: 05 Feb 2007 14:48:14
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Feb 2, 1:49 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <1170354396.029347.29...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 1, 1:52 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some things
> > > that are not
> > > that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that is what
> > > you're
> > > doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
>
> > >http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
> > As soon as I started reading it I thought of the cases of Xtian
> > Scientists here denying their kids medical care.
>
> We occasionally see coverage of those events but the overwhelming majority of
> pundits have nothing to say about it because Christian Scientists are pretty rarely
> the "bad people du jour" like Muslims are at the moment. The thing abut the
> situations discussed in Greenwald's article is that the Muslim parents who deny
> their kids vaccinations are really only causing possible problems for *their* kids
> (and potentially any other kid who also didn't happen to get vaccinated). When the
> religious right gets avaccineforHPVmore or less banned, they are going to be
> having an effect on *far* more kids than just their own.
>
> > Your other points are well taken too. There are way too many people
> > who latch onto an issue, or issues, to exploit them for their own
> > agenda. They see the issue as a vehicle to get whatever they want and
> > not the priy issue by a long shot.
> > It's like those jackasses in France with their pork soup. They claim
> > they want to help the poor and hungry, but only the "right" ones.
> > I don't think they should've banned them froim doing it though, any
> > help is good and you punish those they are helping by taking it away,
> > not them. They can just exploit the ban for publicity and to generate
> > sympathy and anger against those who banned them.
>
> When a group does things like that, it's done specifically for the publicity. The
> idea is to et people stirred up against not just the govt. for "causing us problems"
> but also against the people who "caused" the govt. to come down on the group.
>
> --
> tanx,
> Howard
>
> Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>
> remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Just ran across this:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250337,00.html
Gov. Perry Under Pressure to Rescind Cervical Cancer Vaccination Order
to Protect Girls From HPV
Bill C
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Date: 02 Feb 2007 14:49:02
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Feb 2, 8:53 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
>
> This is another area in which I think that secular Europe has right
> and we are just ass backwards here. Anything about the human body and
> sex sends massive amounts of Americans into a tizzy,
The best proof of this, as far as I'm concerned, is that The Visible
Man,
a tool for teaching anatomy to children, has no external genital
organs.
-ilan
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Date: 02 Feb 2007 11:53:35
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Feb 2, 1:49 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> We occasionally see coverage of those events but the overwhelming majority of
> pundits have nothing to say about it because Christian Scientists are pretty rarely
> the "bad people du jour" like Muslims are at the moment. The thing abut the
> situations discussed in Greenwald's article is that the Muslim parents who deny
> their kids vaccinations are really only causing possible problems for *their* kids
> (and potentially any other kid who also didn't happen to get vaccinated). When the
> religious right gets a vaccine for HPV more or less banned, they are going to be
> having an effect on *far* more kids than just their own.
>
This is another area in which I think that secular Europe has right
and we are just ass backwards here. Anything about the human body and
sex sends massive amounts of Americans into a tizzy, while brutal
graphic violence is shown everyday all over and is nothing to them.
The billboards with tits on them that my kids grew up with as no big
deal in Europe would be banned here while the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
and other hyper violent stuff makes it to TV. There it was just the
opposite. Somehow I think peoples bodies and love are a little
healthier than brutality and violence. Now to get this onto the topic.
The people leading the charge, as you pointed out, are the hyper
religious organizations that are blocking condoms, vaccines,
education, money, and support from, not just average people, but also
people who desperately need help and options. It's criminal to not
make condoms available and ket the hell out of using them in Africa
with rampant AIDS. How the hell you can claim to be a good person
while fighting to stop something that could save, possibly, millions
of lives with no downside other than your offended sensibilities and
the idea that somehow they wouldn't have sex without the condoms. The
death rates make it pretty clear that isn't exactly working, unless
you think that the death penalty is justified for sex.
I'm not a big fan of DDT either, but the studies I've seen recently
say that we could be saving hundreds of thousands of lives by using
it, along with vaccinations in the developing world, but the
environmental groups would rather see the people die than use it.
People just have their priorities so ass backwards it's ridiculous.
> > Your other points are well taken too. There are way too many people
> > who latch onto an issue, or issues, to exploit them for their own
> > agenda. They see the issue as a vehicle to get whatever they want and
> > not the priy issue by a long shot.
> > It's like those jackasses in France with their pork soup. They claim
> > they want to help the poor and hungry, but only the "right" ones.
> > I don't think they should've banned them froim doing it though, any
> > help is good and you punish those they are helping by taking it away,
> > not them. They can just exploit the ban for publicity and to generate
> > sympathy and anger against those who banned them.
>
> When a group does things like that, it's done specifically for the publicity. The
> idea is to et people stirred up against not just the govt. for "causing us problems"
> but also against the people who "caused" the govt. to come down on the group.
Yeah and unfortunately they took advantage of the situation and got
exactly what they wanted because of the knee jerk reaction from the
government. The assholes KNEW exactly how it would play out, and they
win all around because noone bothered to think outside the box a
little bit and get creative.
Slamming into things head on isn't always the stest way to go, but
it's usually the easiest, ands the easiest course of action to defend,
even if it only makes things worse.
I was always taught "Work ster, not just harder, you'll go a lot
farther that way.". Seems that a huge portion of the planet just
wants to keep doing the same old crap despite the results "because
that's just what you do." IMO clearly identifying and solving the
problem, whatever it takes, especially when peoples lives are riding
on it is a hell of a lot more important than ideological BS. Sort of
the opposite of "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out."
Save 'em first, give them a chance and then sort out the
philosophical crap later.
>
> --
> tanx,
> Howard
>
> Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>
> remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
Thanks for the good talk
Bill C
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Date: 02 Feb 2007 16:41:34
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On 2 Feb 2007 11:53:35 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net >
wrote:
> This is another area in which I think that secular Europe has right
>and we are just ass backwards here. Anything about the human body and
>sex sends massive amounts of Americans into a tizzy, while brutal
>graphic violence is shown everyday all over and is nothing to them.
>The billboards with tits on them that my kids grew up with as no big
>deal in Europe would be banned here while the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
>and other hyper violent stuff makes it to TV.
I feel the same way. There are ads for horror movies I cannot even
watch on TV, that's how pervasive violence is on TV. But a breast.
Or someone saying "fuck" in a way that is entirely appropriate (like
in Saving Private Ryan) gets a TV station fined or threatened with
fines.
Backwards.
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JT
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Date: 02 Feb 2007 18:22:39
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:41:34 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>I feel the same way. There are ads for horror movies I cannot even
>watch on TV, that's how pervasive violence is on TV. But a breast.
>Or someone saying "fuck" in a way that is entirely appropriate (like
>in Saving Private Ryan) gets a TV station fined or threatened with
>fines.
>
>Backwards.
I said I wouldn't post "me, too" posts, but for the record, I am
definitely for more breasts on TV. OTOH, I am not for 'guys with
breasts' on TV.
I know all about the Super Bowl sales of HD TVs, but that's not why I
bought mine...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 03 Feb 2007 00:43:58
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
>
> I said I wouldn't post "me, too" posts, but for the record, I am
> definitely for more breasts on TV. OTOH, I am not for 'guys with
> breasts' on TV.
>
> I know all about the Super Bowl sales of HD TVs, but that's not why I
> bought mine...
http://tinyurl.com/2mh2s9
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 01 Feb 2007 19:22:30
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Feb 1, 7:46 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:26 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 1, 1:52 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some things that are not
> > > that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that is what you're
> > > doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
>
> > >http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
>
> > > --
> > > tanx,
> > > Howard
>
> > > Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>
> > > remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as I started reading it I thought of the cases of Xtian
> > Scientists here denying their kids medical care.
>
> Leave it to Canada to have current info and be on topic. :http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/canada/2007/02/sextuplet_parents_take...
>
> The Vancouver parents of sextuplets born in January are now in a legal
> battle with the province, claiming the government violated their
> religious rights when social workers seized three of their newborns to
> give them blood transfusions.
now they'll never get to ride the tour de france.
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Date: 01 Feb 2007 19:41:31
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1170386550.351932.269320@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 1, 7:46 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Feb 1, 1:26 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Feb 1, 1:52 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some
>> > > things that are not
>> > > that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that
>> > > is what you're
>> > > doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
>>
>> > >http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
>>
>> > > --
>> > > tanx,
>> > > Howard
>>
>> > > Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>>
>> > > remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted
>> > > text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > As soon as I started reading it I thought of the cases of Xtian
>> > Scientists here denying their kids medical care.
>>
>> Leave it to Canada to have current info and be on topic.
>> :http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/canada/2007/02/sextuplet_parents_take...
>>
>> The Vancouver parents of sextuplets born in January are now in a legal
>> battle with the province, claiming the government violated their
>> religious rights when social workers seized three of their newborns to
>> give them blood transfusions.
>
> now they'll never get to ride the tour de france.
>
No, this is documented. So I think they're OK no matter what they do!!!
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Date: 02 Feb 2007 11:25:25
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:41:31 -0800, "Fred Fredburger"
<FredFredburger@WhereAreTheNachos.com > wrote:
>
><amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1170386550.351932.269320@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 1, 7:46 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Feb 1, 1:26 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Feb 1, 1:52 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some
>>> > > things that are not
>>> > > that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that
>>> > > is what you're
>>> > > doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
>>>
>>> > >http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
>>>
>>> > > --
>>> > > tanx,
>>> > > Howard
>>>
>>> > > Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>>>
>>> > > remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted
>>> > > text -
>>>
>>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> > As soon as I started reading it I thought of the cases of Xtian
>>> > Scientists here denying their kids medical care.
>>>
>>> Leave it to Canada to have current info and be on topic.
>>> :http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/canada/2007/02/sextuplet_parents_take...
>>>
>>> The Vancouver parents of sextuplets born in January are now in a legal
>>> battle with the province, claiming the government violated their
>>> religious rights when social workers seized three of their newborns to
>>> give them blood transfusions.
>>
>> now they'll never get to ride the tour de france.
>>
>
>
>No, this is documented. So I think they're OK no matter what they do!!!
Unless the French review it for medical necessity.
Ron
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Date: 01 Feb 2007 16:46:00
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Feb 1, 1:26 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:52 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some things that are not
> > that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that is what you're
> > doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
>
> >http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
>
> > --
> > tanx,
> > Howard
>
> > Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>
> > remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> As soon as I started reading it I thought of the cases of Xtian
> Scientists here denying their kids medical care.
Leave it to Canada to have current info and be on topic. :
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourview/canada/2007/02/sextuplet_parents_take_bc_to_c.html
The Vancouver parents of sextuplets born in January are now in a legal
battle with the province, claiming the government violated their
religious rights when social workers seized three of their newborns to
give them blood transfusions.
The parents, both Jehovah's Witnesses, argue the province had no right
to step in against their wishes to take temporary custody of three of
their four surviving sextuplets.
Bill C
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Date: 01 Feb 2007 10:26:36
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Feb 1, 1:52 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
>
> It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some things that are not
> that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that is what you're
> doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
>
> http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
>
> --
> tanx,
> Howard
>
> Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>
> remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As soon as I started reading it I thought of the cases of Xtian
Scientists here denying their kids medical care.
Your other points are well taken too. There are way too many people
who latch onto an issue, or issues, to exploit them for their own
agenda. They see the issue as a vehicle to get whatever they want and
not the priy issue by a long shot.
It's like those jackasses in France with their pork soup. They claim
they want to help the poor and hungry, but only the "right" ones.
I don't think they should've banned them froim doing it though, any
help is good and you punish those they are helping by taking it away,
not them. They can just exploit the ban for publicity and to generate
sympathy and anger against those who banned them. I'm sure they are
telling the people "WE can't feed you anymore. The evil government
banned us from helping you." while the people have less that day.
They should've found another group to work at the same places with
food that is acceptable to everyone, and welcoming to everyone.
Co-opt their issue while still helping the people.
Happens here too with a ton of the Xtian based groups. To get any
help you have to sit through and accept being evangelized. It's like
time share "prizes" where you have to sit through a huge hard sell.
Needless to say the helping people is secondary to the agenda. We
wont even talk about the four flushing politicians and "social" here.
Unfortunately exploiting the poor and dissatisfied to grab power is as
old as humanity. Unfortunately Chavez is putting on a clinic right now
in how to grab power and smash dissent. Also unfortunately he's just
the latest in a long line, from all sides, that have inflicted
themselves on the Americas and had massive outside support in pushing
their global agenda. All while claiming to care about the people.
Bill C
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Date: 01 Feb 2007 22:49:08
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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In article <1170354396.029347.29090@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com >,
"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:52 am, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some things
> > that are not
> > that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that is what
> > you're
> > doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
> >
> > http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
> As soon as I started reading it I thought of the cases of Xtian
> Scientists here denying their kids medical care.
We occasionally see coverage of those events but the overwhelming majority of
pundits have nothing to say about it because Christian Scientists are pretty rarely
the "bad people du jour" like Muslims are at the moment. The thing abut the
situations discussed in Greenwald's article is that the Muslim parents who deny
their kids vaccinations are really only causing possible problems for *their* kids
(and potentially any other kid who also didn't happen to get vaccinated). When the
religious right gets a vaccine for HPV more or less banned, they are going to be
having an effect on *far* more kids than just their own.
> Your other points are well taken too. There are way too many people
> who latch onto an issue, or issues, to exploit them for their own
> agenda. They see the issue as a vehicle to get whatever they want and
> not the priy issue by a long shot.
> It's like those jackasses in France with their pork soup. They claim
> they want to help the poor and hungry, but only the "right" ones.
> I don't think they should've banned them froim doing it though, any
> help is good and you punish those they are helping by taking it away,
> not them. They can just exploit the ban for publicity and to generate
> sympathy and anger against those who banned them.
When a group does things like that, it's done specifically for the publicity. The
idea is to et people stirred up against not just the govt. for "causing us problems"
but also against the people who "caused" the govt. to come down on the group.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 17:04:21
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Jan 31, 1:47 pm, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 31, 8:56 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 9:25 pm, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 5:42 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > ilan wrote:
> > > > > > I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians=
did
> > > > > > pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. =
That
> > > > > > was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> > > > > > However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so the=
y only
> > > > > > came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coa=
sting
> > > > > > in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> > > > > > applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable t=
ime,
> > > > > > averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually =
fairly
> > > > > > close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious ri=
ders.
>
> > > > > > -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, als=
o in Qatar,
> > > > > finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
> > > > > finisher would have counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?i=
d=3Dtrack/2006/dec06/asiangames06/...
>
> > > > > Dan How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stone=
d to
> > > > death for that.
> > > > Bill C
>
> > > Really Bill? All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
> > > FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.-=
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>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/01/iran.football/index.html
>
> > Quoted:
> > However, a day after the president's announcement, conservative Shiite
> > mullahs criticized him for not consulting them before taking his
> > decision and insisted the presence of women in stadiums was against
> > Islamic law.
>
> > One religious leader, Fazel Lankarani, went further and issued a fatwa
> > against the presence of women in stadiums.
>
> > Aliabadi, who announced that women would be permitted to attend live
> > games from the start of next season, seemed to backtrack when he told
> > reporters: "The ban on single women still exists and we won't allow
> > single women to attend any games. Only women who come with their
> > families will be allowed in."
>
> > You drive a truck, I know lots of female truck drivers from the 53rd
> > Trans. Batt., wanna talk about drivers licenses for women in Saudi?
> > Here's an attitude snapshot for you:http://www.arabnews.com/?page=3D1=
=A7ion=3D0&article=3D90284&d=3D22&m=3D12&y=3D2006
>
> > Holy shit they might allow PE for females some day!
> > Bill C
>
> You are comparing our ultra modern secularist way of living to people
> that are living with a religious ideology that rules their lives if
> they are devout religious followers. Not every person in Iran, Syria,
> Iraq, Lebanon, SA or other Isalmic countries is forced to be an ultra
> religious follower. There are many more secularist Muslims than the
> news portrays, but they are not news worthy material, "if it bleeds it
> leads" is the 21st century news motto.
>
Wanna talk the 10th century? None of this is new. The West for the
most part has outgrown it. You could dig up lot's of my nasty comments
on the West's past behavior also.
> We only gave women the right to vote some 87 years ago here in the
> US. We as Americans expect every nation and country in the world to
> adhere to or at least mirror our way of life and this elitist way of
> thinking is why we are not the most favorable nation on the block.
> Have we progressed rapidly in our thinking and applying of individual
> freedoms, yes, and there are people that think that our undying pusuit
> of individuality will ultimately be our undoing. We have also in our
> short lifespan directly or indirectly influenced many a country to
> bend to our will and way of thinking and I for one am not entirely
> sure that we have gone about this in the correct fashion.
Yep castrating females, not allowing them to have Humen Rights,
etc... is OK
Did the
> British and Mr. Blair have a dog in the fight when we attacked Iraq?
> (other than the fact that they screwed up the whole region along with
> France) Not really, and ally yes, but obviously we didn't really need
> the few thousand British troops that were provided. Bush and co. used
> the immense influence of our country to pull Britian into the war.
> The British public was even more against the war than the US public
> and Blair still sent troops.
Bush lied his ass off and is a complete traitor to everything this
Country stands for. I've beaten that to death.
>
> I do not endorse any behavior what-so-ever that is forced upon or made
> to be mandatory for any person. But, I will not tell someone that has
> a different way of life other than mine that what they are doing is
> wrong. I am not in their shoes, I do not live in their world, I am
> not them, I don't walk down the same streets that they do everyday. To
> tell someone that your way is right and better from your own personal
> or religious beliefs is ego-centric. It is not the case that all women
> are completely subservient in every part of Iran. Some yes, but there
> are many women that walk down streets without male escorts, many
> without a hijab and such in downtown Tehran. Are there some women
> that still abide by the old practices, yes, is it wrong? I am not one
> to judge how another lives his/her life. I don't claim to be so
> enlightened that I know what is best for someone living in a country
> thousands of miles away living by an entirely different set of social
> and religious norms.
Dude have you READ the reports from the human rigfhts folks??? Let
alone the women's rights people.
Jesus Christ!
My wife's culture got naked, painted themselves blue, slaughtered
whoever they could get, regularly practiced human sacrifice. My
culture slaughtered people, cleaned their skulls and used them for
drinking mugs.
That's good? They all practiced slavery, I shouldn't object?
Only a gutless bastard excuses brutality, racism, sexism, and other
practices, for any reason, and we aren't talking about differences in
pay scale here.
The Nazi culture was acceptable to you, because they were the product
of a century of European culture and thought? The Crusades regularly
slaughtered a bunch of Jews on the way to the Holy Land for a tune-up,
I'm supposed to accept that?
You bet your ass that I am judgemental! I hate racism, slavery, the
violent brutal abuse of people, gang rape as justice, total control of
women as second class citizens.
We could go on and on, but it's useless since you don't think
ANYTHING is wrong as long as it's part of the culture.
You need to thank everyone you meet that the US doesn't think that
way and we impose some basic restraints on behavior, in spite of what
the immigrants original cultural standards were.
Before you go off on my "Immigrants" comment, everyone in N. America
is from an immigrant community.
Shit, I used to be Cathlolic. Does that mean, in your world, I can go
bomb the local Protestant church because they are still fighting each
other, and it's centuries of culture?
Bill "Amazed" C
>
> oh, and as we type the US Navy just sent another aircraft carrier
> group to the Persian Gulf. Why would we send an aircraft carrier
> group to counter gorilla war tactics in Iraq, oh yeah, we aren't.
> There have been numerous mentions of the medling of Iran in Iraq for
> the past few months with more and more senior officials commenting on
> Iran's role in Iraq. The US and Iran are both headed for disaster
> because our president who knows nothing of diplomacy won't pick up the
> freaking phone and make a call to Tehran. We are doomed for another 2
> years.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 10:47:03
From: Jason Waddell
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On Jan 31, 8:56 am, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 9:25 pm, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:42 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > ilan wrote:
> > > > > I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> > > > > pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> > > > > was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> > > > > However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> > > > > came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> > > > > in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> > > > > applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> > > > > averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> > > > > close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> > > > > -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
> > > > finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
> > > > finisher would have counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames06/...
>
> > > > Dan How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stoned to
> > > death for that.
> > > Bill C
>
> > Really Bill? All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
> > FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/01/iran.football/index.html
>
> Quoted:
> However, a day after the president's announcement, conservative Shiite
> mullahs criticized him for not consulting them before taking his
> decision and insisted the presence of women in stadiums was against
> Islamic law.
>
> One religious leader, Fazel Lankarani, went further and issued a fatwa
> against the presence of women in stadiums.
>
> Aliabadi, who announced that women would be permitted to attend live
> games from the start of next season, seemed to backtrack when he told
> reporters: "The ban on single women still exists and we won't allow
> single women to attend any games. Only women who come with their
> families will be allowed in."
>
> You drive a truck, I know lots of female truck drivers from the 53rd
> Trans. Batt., wanna talk about drivers licenses for women in Saudi?
> Here's an attitude snapshot for you:http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=90284&d=22&m=12&y=2006
>
> Holy shit they might allow PE for females some day!
> Bill C
You are comparing our ultra modern secularist way of living to people
that are living with a religious ideology that rules their lives if
they are devout religious followers. Not every person in Iran, Syria,
Iraq, Lebanon, SA or other Isalmic countries is forced to be an ultra
religious follower. There are many more secularist Muslims than the
news portrays, but they are not news worthy material, "if it bleeds it
leads" is the 21st century news motto.
We only gave women the right to vote some 87 years ago here in the
US. We as Americans expect every nation and country in the world to
adhere to or at least mirror our way of life and this elitist way of
thinking is why we are not the most favorable nation on the block.
Have we progressed rapidly in our thinking and applying of individual
freedoms, yes, and there are people that think that our undying pusuit
of individuality will ultimately be our undoing. We have also in our
short lifespan directly or indirectly influenced many a country to
bend to our will and way of thinking and I for one am not entirely
sure that we have gone about this in the correct fashion. Did the
British and Mr. Blair have a dog in the fight when we attacked Iraq?
(other than the fact that they screwed up the whole region along with
France) Not really, and ally yes, but obviously we didn't really need
the few thousand British troops that were provided. Bush and co. used
the immense influence of our country to pull Britian into the war.
The British public was even more against the war than the US public
and Blair still sent troops.
I do not endorse any behavior what-so-ever that is forced upon or made
to be mandatory for any person. But, I will not tell someone that has
a different way of life other than mine that what they are doing is
wrong. I am not in their shoes, I do not live in their world, I am
not them, I don't walk down the same streets that they do everyday. To
tell someone that your way is right and better from your own personal
or religious beliefs is ego-centric. It is not the case that all women
are completely subservient in every part of Iran. Some yes, but there
are many women that walk down streets without male escorts, many
without a hijab and such in downtown Tehran. Are there some women
that still abide by the old practices, yes, is it wrong? I am not one
to judge how another lives his/her life. I don't claim to be so
enlightened that I know what is best for someone living in a country
thousands of miles away living by an entirely different set of social
and religious norms.
oh, and as we type the US Navy just sent another aircraft carrier
group to the Persian Gulf. Why would we send an aircraft carrier
group to counter gorilla war tactics in Iraq, oh yeah, we aren't.
There have been numerous mentions of the medling of Iran in Iraq for
the past few months with more and more senior officials commenting on
Iran's role in Iraq. The US and Iran are both headed for disaster
because our president who knows nothing of diplomacy won't pick up the
freaking phone and make a call to Tehran. We are doomed for another 2
years.
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 21:07:56
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
Jason Waddell wrote:
> Why would we send an aircraft carrier group to counter gorilla war tactics in Iraq,
At least we now know where magilla's gone.
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 06:56:31
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On Jan 29, 9:25 pm, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:42 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > wrote:
>
> > > ilan wrote:
> > > > I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> > > > pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> > > > was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> > > > However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> > > > came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> > > > in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> > > > applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> > > > averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> > > > close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> > > > -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
> > > finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
> > > finisher would have counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames06/...
>
> > > Dan How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stoned to
> > death for that.
> > Bill C
>
> Really Bill? All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
> FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/01/iran.football/index.html
Quoted:
However, a day after the president's announcement, conservative Shiite
mullahs criticized him for not consulting them before taking his
decision and insisted the presence of women in stadiums was against
Islamic law.
One religious leader, Fazel Lankarani, went further and issued a fatwa
against the presence of women in stadiums.
Aliabadi, who announced that women would be permitted to attend live
games from the start of next season, seemed to backtrack when he told
reporters: "The ban on single women still exists and we won't allow
single women to attend any games. Only women who come with their
families will be allowed in."
You drive a truck, I know lots of female truck drivers from the 53rd
Trans. Batt., wanna talk about drivers licenses for women in Saudi?
Here's an attitude snapshot for you:
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=90284&d=22&m=12&y=2006
Holy shit they might allow PE for females some day!
Bill C
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 06:33:47
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On Jan 29, 9:25 pm, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:42 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > wrote:
>
> > > ilan wrote:
> > > > I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> > > > pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> > > > was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> > > > However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> > > > came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> > > > in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> > > > applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> > > > averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> > > > close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> > > > -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
> > > finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
> > > finisher would have counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames06/...
>
> > > Dan How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stoned to
> > death for that.
> > Bill C
>
> Really Bill? All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
> FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Jason I'll damned near guarantee I'm better informed, from a wider
variety of sources, and know more of the historical background than
you are.
In almost every fascist/dictatorial state, which Iran is by any
reasonable standard, the people who are allowed to travel abroad and
represent the Country are working as part of the State machine, or are
considered "heroes" of the State.
The more we see out of the former Soviet Bloc files, the more names
we find who were working for State security, as informers at least.
Hell will be frozen over solid before I write anything on the good
works of the Klan, Kim Jong Il, the Sudanese government, States where
women have to have a male escort just to leave the house, etc, and it
sure as hell is going to be a long time before I write good things
about people who work for, or collaborate with them.
Pat Robertson, and the clowns at Westboro Baptist are about as bad as
the current crop of X-tian religious leaders get.
Want a massive list of brutal, inhuman, vicious activities being
recruited for, urged on, and enacted by Islamic religious leaders? Try
reading nasty right wing conspiracy sources like Al-Jazeera, the BBC,
CNN, The Guardian, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post, the CBC, CNews,
etc...stories in most of these on a pretty much daily basis.
Your offense is as justified, and informed as the Holocaust
conference in Iran was.
In Britain right now there is a fairly substantial discussion, among
Islamic leaders, of the fact that Islamic religious leaders there, and
around the world, weren't out front in condemning these actions and
making a case against them.
Please feel free to bring actual content to the debate. Try checking
the ratings at:
Freedomhouse.org and reading through the reports at Amnesty
International, and HRW.org on the Islamic countries.
I know the latter two especially are Bush's biggest backers and are
lieing to support his cause.
When the truth, and the reality, are inconvenient and ugly is when
it's MOST important to speak it and make people aware of it. Then it
can be corrected. Sweeping it under the rug because it might be, or
is, offensive is gutless and makes you complicit in the actions IMO.
Bill C
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 22:52:37
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
In article <1170254027.640783.155990@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
> Hell will be frozen over solid before I write anything on the good
> works of the Klan, Kim Jong Il, the Sudanese government, States where
> women have to have a male escort just to leave the house, etc, and it
> sure as hell is going to be a long time before I write good things
> about people who work for, or collaborate with them.
> Pat Robertson, and the clowns at Westboro Baptist are about as bad as
> the current crop of X-tian religious leaders get.
Robertson is a focal point for that kind of stupidity but the more insidious ones
are people like Dobson and his Family Research Council, as they've gotten a few
people in influential spots in the Bush admin. They're actually viewed as having
something good to contribute to the running of this country. (Side note: I'm sure
that you know about Robertson's ties to Liberia's ex-Pres. Charles Taylor and the
business ventures he has with Zaire's Mobutu Sese Seko.)
> Want a massive list of brutal, inhuman, vicious activities being
> recruited for, urged on, and enacted by Islamic religious leaders? Try
> reading nasty right wing conspiracy sources like Al-Jazeera, the BBC,
> CNN, The Guardian, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post, the CBC, CNews,
> etc...stories in most of these on a pretty much daily basis.
> Your offense is as justified, and informed as the Holocaust
> conference in Iran was.
> In Britain right now there is a fairly substantial discussion, among
> Islamic leaders, of the fact that Islamic religious leaders there, and
> around the world, weren't out front in condemning these actions and
> making a case against them.
> Please feel free to bring actual content to the debate. Try checking
> the ratings at:
> Freedomhouse.org and reading through the reports at Amnesty
> International, and HRW.org on the Islamic countries.
> I know the latter two especially are Bush's biggest backers and are
> lieing to support his cause.
> When the truth, and the reality, are inconvenient and ugly is when
> it's MOST important to speak it and make people aware of it. Then it
> can be corrected. Sweeping it under the rug because it might be, or
> is, offensive is gutless and makes you complicit in the actions IMO.
It is interesting to see people rail against Muslims for some things that are not
that different than what's going on here (note: I'm not saying that is what you're
doing, Bill). This article is a good example of that:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2007/01/just-evolution-in-action.html
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 06:12:44
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On Jan 29, 9:25 pm, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:42 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > wrote:
>
> > > ilan wrote:
> > > > I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> > > > pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> > > > was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> > > > However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> > > > came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> > > > in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> > > > applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> > > > averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> > > > close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> > > > -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
> > > finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
> > > finisher would have counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames06/...
>
> > > Dan How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stoned to
> > death for that.
> > Bill C
>
> Really Bill? All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
> FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/30/ashoura.children.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Nice!
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 18:49:52
From: ST
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On 1/31/07 6:12 AM, in article
1170252764.037450.325820@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Bill C"
<tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 9:25 pm, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 29, 5:42 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> ilan wrote:
>>>>> I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
>>>>> pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
>>>>> was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
>>>>> However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
>>>>> came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
>>>>> in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
>>>>> applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
>>>>> averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
>>>>> close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>>
>>>>> -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
>>>> finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
>>>> finisher would have
>>>> counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames0
>>>> 6/...
>>
>>>> Dan How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stoned to
>>> death for that.
>>> Bill C
>>
>> Really Bill? All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
>> FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/30/ashoura.children.ap/index.html?secti
> on=cnn_latest
> Nice!
>
>
http://www.cyclingforums.com/showthread.php?t=224883
Does anyone know why Jason Waddell quit the sport and converted to
Muslim? And what's up with the guy from Sharper Images wanting the
sponsorship money back?
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 18:43:39
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On Jan 30, 3:25 am, "Jason Waddell" <jason_wadd...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
> FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.
On the other hand, you already knew that the Iranian Olympic committee
only
allowed women to compete in target shooting, where their full robes
would not
interfere with athletic performance.
-ilan
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 08:59:22
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
ilan wrote:
> On the other hand, you already knew that the Iranian Olympic committee
> only
> allowed women to compete in target shooting, where their full robes
> would not
> interfere with athletic performance.
Are Berka's UCI legal ?
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 18:25:08
From: Jason Waddell
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On Jan 29, 5:42 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ilan wrote:
> > > I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> > > pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> > > was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> > > However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> > > came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> > > in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> > > applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> > > averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> > > close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> > > -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
> > finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
> > finisher would have counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames06/...
>
> > Dan How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stoned to
> death for that.
> Bill C
Really Bill? All Iranian women? Or just the ones you hear about on
FOX news? Please take your stereotypes over to ignorant.alt.goodbye.
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 18:11:52
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
On Jan 30, 2:57 am, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
.Just because they're on the Iranian team doesn't automatically mean
they
> live and train in Iran. Some do, but there was a Iranian trackie at the '92
> Olympics who trained and went to school in Pennsylvania. OTOH, Tehran, being
> 1200 - 1700 meters above sea level, would be beneficial to raise the
> hematocrit.
Yes, I was wondering about this. In particular, whether the Doha team
is an
established team, or whether it was made up for the race by importing
nationals
from other countries.
>From what I saw in the prologue, there is absolutely no local interest
in the race.
If you didn't know it was run at 2 p.m. in 25C temperatures, you would
assume it
was 6 am, or else 40C, because the streets and beaches were completely
deserted.
The 3 people that the commentators described as spectators completely
ignored the
approach of the riders and one could even imagine one of them walking
right in front
of them. The VIP area consisted of people in complete Arab headresses
and clothes
who seemed more interested in the food in front of them than in the
race (though that
could also apply to any race VIP area). The last time I saw such local
disinterest was
at the Collegiate nationals criterium in downtown Wichita Falls, TX.
-ilan
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 19:57:38
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
|
"ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1170109584.566711.157750@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
Just because they're on the Iranian team doesn't automatically mean they
live and train in Iran. Some do, but there was a Iranian trackie at the '92
Olympics who trained and went to school in Pennsylvania. OTOH, Tehran, being
1200 - 1700 meters above sea level, would be beneficial to raise the
hematocrit.
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 17:37:52
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Jan 30, 1:18 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
> On 29 Jan 2007 14:26:24 -0800, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> >pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> >was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> >However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> >came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> >in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> >applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> >averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> >close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> >-ilanInteresting, where can one watch that event ? I take it you're still
> in France, in spite of your brushes with the bike shops there ? ;-)
cycling.tv is showing it live and free (low res). Yes, I am still in
Paris but trying
to ignore that fact as much as possible, mostly riding my trainer
inside my apartment
watching cycle racing.
-ilan
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 01:18:06
From: Keith
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On 29 Jan 2007 14:26:24 -0800, "ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com > wrote:
>I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
>pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
>was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
>However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
>came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
>in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
>applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
>averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
>close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
>-ilan
Interesting, where can one watch that event ? I take it you're still
in France, in spite of your brushes with the bike shops there ? ;-)
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 15:42:30
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On Jan 29, 5:33 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> ilan wrote:
> > I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> > pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> > was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> > However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> > came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> > in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> > applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> > averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> > close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> > -ilanThey also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
> finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
> finisher would have counted:http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames06/...
>
> Dan
How's their women's team doing? Oh, yeah women would be stoned to
death for that.
Bill C
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 18:11:56
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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On 29 Jan 2007 14:26:24 -0800, "ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com > wrote:
>I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
>pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
>was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
>However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
>came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
>in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
>applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
>averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
>close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
Thanks for this -- cool stuff.
--
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 14:33:00
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Good Iranians
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ilan wrote:
> I watched the first stage of the Tour of Qatar and the Iranians did
> pretty well, averaging about 50kph in the 6km team time trial. That
> was about as fast as the Agritubel squad, which is a pro team.
> However, the Iranians were not quite aware of the rules, so they only
> came in with 3 riders, and the next two dropped riders were coasting
> in to the finish, so they lost about 20 seconds (the 50kph time
> applies to the first 3). The Doha team also had a respectable time,
> averaging 49.5 kph. The Iranian and Qatari teams were actually fairly
> close to the Irish team, which, I assume consists of serious riders.
>
> -ilan
>
They also did quite well in the Asian Games last year, also in Qatar,
finishing second to Kazakhstan. At that event, I believe the #3
finisher would have counted:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road.php?id=track/2006/dec06/asiangames06/asiangames064
Dan
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