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Date: 10 May 2007 07:07:32
From: Mr. K.V.B.L.
Subject: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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...just retire dude. There's no more career for you left.
"Adieu, sucker!" - Blacque Jacque Shellacque
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Date: 11 May 2007 10:47:48
From: paolo
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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On May 11, 8:28 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 May 2007 02:49:49 GMT, Bob Schwartz
> > <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> WeaselPoopPower wrote:
> >>> Mr. K.V.B.L. wrote:
> >>>> ...just retire dude. There's no more career for you left.
>
> >>>> "Adieu, sucker!" - Blacque Jacque Shellacque
>
> >>> Is it Tyler's career, or euro pro cycling that is dead?
> >> If Tyler had 'fessed up at the start, he'd be in the clear.
> >> Irony totally rocks!
>
> > In what way? No protour team for four years. That appears to be the rule? Was
> > there a Tyler exemption for "fessing up?" Didn't know such a thing exists.
>
> If Tyler had 'fessed up he wouldn't be looking at a lifetime ban.
> He'd be starting the Giro. His career would be moving forward
> rather than circling the toilet.
>
> I guess once he got cut from ProTour teams he should have just
> slit his wrists and called it a day.
>
> >> But why would Euro pro cycling take a hit? The players are
> >> interchangeable. Last year the Tour lost LANCE to retirement
> >> and Basso and Ullrich to Op Puerto and the race never even
> >> missed them. We had the best race with more drama and
> >> uncertainty than we've had in years.
>
> > And now it's next season and we still don't know who will be declared the
> > winner. Do you really think that's a favorable outcome. That any sport could
> > long survive having the results of it's three largest annual event overturned
> > one after another.
>
> You hand wringers just don't get it. That stuff only matters if
> it causes enough people to stop showing up on mountain passes
> or to stop parking their butts in front of the TV to watch the
> spectacle.
>
> We have had NUMEROUS doping scandals. The sport has grown in
> spite of it. We have ALREADY HAD the result of a Grand Tour
> overturned because of a doping test result. It didn't matter.
>
> >> That's what the doping hand wringers are missing. If Barry
> >> Bonds died tomorrow his sport would still go on without
> >> him, as doped up as ever. It is the spectacle that draws
> >> the fans, and the fantasy of honest competition is too
> >> resilient.
>
> > If Barry Bonds died tomorrow the sport would be healthier. If they tore open the
> > record book and started deciding which of his HRs didn't happen then we'd have a
> > situation like cycling.
>
> Yeah, the Vuelta totally hit the tank after Heras got popped
> and the result was changed. That's some pretty incontestable
> evidence that people give a shit about stuff like that.
>
> Just watch. You'll turn on your TV in July and you'll see the
> Galibier, or the Aubisque and it'll be like a ghost town.
> Totally empty. Or maybe you won't, because surely the media
> will just abandon the Tour out of lack of interest. Maybe the
> coverage will just evaporate into the ether because no one
> cares about the Tour anymore.
>
> When Bonds breaks the home run record, baseball should just
> give it up. The stands will surely be empty in reaction to
> such a charade. And if that doesn't do it, striking the
> record from the books certainly will.
>
> Bob Schwartz- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey, the same old French guy who's been sitting outside his farmhouse
to watch the tour go by will do the same thing until his wife provides
a better option inside ;-) Possible, but not likely in the July
heat. Now if they moved the Tour up on the calendar, then we could
have some problems.
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Date: 11 May 2007 20:16:26
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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paolo wrote:
> Hey, the same old French guy who's been sitting outside his farmhouse
> to watch the tour go by will do the same thing until his wife provides
> a better option inside ;-) Possible, but not likely in the July
> heat. Now if they moved the Tour up on the calendar, then we could
> have some problems.
Poor French farmers what with global warming destroying their sex life and
Sarkozy probably destroying their subsidies.
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Date: 11 May 2007 10:43:55
From: paolo
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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On May 10, 7:49 pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> WeaselPoopPower wrote:
> > Mr. K.V.B.L. wrote:
> >> ...just retire dude. There's no more career for you left.
>
> >> "Adieu, sucker!" - Blacque Jacque Shellacque
>
> > Is it Tyler's career, or euro pro cycling that is dead?
>
> If Tyler had 'fessed up at the start, he'd be in the clear.
> Irony totally rocks!
>
> But why would Euro pro cycling take a hit? The players are
> interchangeable. Last year the Tour lost LANCE to retirement
> and Basso and Ullrich to Op Puerto and the race never even
> missed them. We had the best race with more drama and
> uncertainty than we've had in years.
>
> That's what the doping hand wringers are missing. If Barry
> Bonds died tomorrow his sport would still go on without
> him, as doped up as ever. It is the spectacle that draws
> the fans, and the fantasy of honest competition is too
> resilient.
>
> Bob Schwartz
I second that!
When someone is lining up their picks for the 2063 Giro (on who knows
what kind of "device"...who knows, maybe the Giro will start in
Disneyland that year) do you think he/she will give a rats ass who's
dog is named Birillo, or what Operation what-have-you meant???? Only
a very small group endure over the years, and Hamilton, Basso and
Urlich are definately not on the short list. You'd have a better
chance of being remembered if you rode the Zonocolan naked versus
testing positive for the 2007 Giro or TdF.
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Date: 11 May 2007 19:58:18
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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paolo wrote:
> You'd have a better chance of being remembered if you rode the Zonocolan naked
What saddle do you propose for this feat and should I wear a helmet ?
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Date: 12 May 2007 00:15:48
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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In article <4644aed1$0$20100$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> paolo wrote:
> > You'd have a better chance of being remembered if you rode the Zonocolan
> > naked
>
> What saddle do you propose for this feat and should I wear a helmet ?
Recommendation is for a noseless saddle. Helmet will be dictated by
social and possibly religious conventions around the time of your birth.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 May 2007 20:23:22
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-11EDCF.17154811052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <4644aed1$0$20100$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> paolo wrote:
>> > You'd have a better chance of being remembered if you rode the
>> > Zonocolan
>> > naked
>>
>> What saddle do you propose for this feat and should I wear a helmet ?
>
> Recommendation is for a noseless saddle. Helmet will be dictated by
> social and possibly religious conventions around the time of your birth.
>
http://www.ismseat.com/images/products/Adamo-Road-Pink.jpg
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Date: 12 May 2007 01:34:52
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
<snip >
>
> http://www.ismseat.com/images/products/Adamo-Road-Pink.jpg
>
Does that one come in a scratch-n-sniff model?
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 10 May 2007 21:44:01
From: steephill
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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> It is the spectacle that draws the fans, and the fantasy of
> honest competition is too resilient.
Well said Bob! The Grand Tours are much larger than the individual
riders.
Steve
www.steephill.tv bike travelogue
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Date: 10 May 2007 18:01:45
From: WeaselPoopPower
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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Mr. K.V.B.L. wrote:
> ...just retire dude. There's no more career for you left.
>
> "Adieu, sucker!" - Blacque Jacque Shellacque
>
Is it Tyler's career, or euro pro cycling that is dead?
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Date: 11 May 2007 02:49:49
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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WeaselPoopPower wrote:
> Mr. K.V.B.L. wrote:
>> ...just retire dude. There's no more career for you left.
>>
>> "Adieu, sucker!" - Blacque Jacque Shellacque
>>
>
>
> Is it Tyler's career, or euro pro cycling that is dead?
If Tyler had 'fessed up at the start, he'd be in the clear.
Irony totally rocks!
But why would Euro pro cycling take a hit? The players are
interchangeable. Last year the Tour lost LANCE to retirement
and Basso and Ullrich to Op Puerto and the race never even
missed them. We had the best race with more drama and
uncertainty than we've had in years.
That's what the doping hand wringers are missing. If Barry
Bonds died tomorrow his sport would still go on without
him, as doped up as ever. It is the spectacle that draws
the fans, and the fantasy of honest competition is too
resilient.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 11 May 2007 10:01:56
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 02:49:49 GMT, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
>WeaselPoopPower wrote:
>> Mr. K.V.B.L. wrote:
>>> ...just retire dude. There's no more career for you left.
>>>
>>> "Adieu, sucker!" - Blacque Jacque Shellacque
>>>
>>
>>
>> Is it Tyler's career, or euro pro cycling that is dead?
>
>If Tyler had 'fessed up at the start, he'd be in the clear.
>Irony totally rocks!
In what way? No protour team for four years. That appears to be the rule? Was
there a Tyler exemption for "fessing up?" Didn't know such a thing exists.
>But why would Euro pro cycling take a hit? The players are
>interchangeable. Last year the Tour lost LANCE to retirement
>and Basso and Ullrich to Op Puerto and the race never even
>missed them. We had the best race with more drama and
>uncertainty than we've had in years.
And now it's next season and we still don't know who will be declared the
winner. Do you really think that's a favorable outcome. That any sport could
long survive having the results of it's three largest annual event overturned
one after another.
>That's what the doping hand wringers are missing. If Barry
>Bonds died tomorrow his sport would still go on without
>him, as doped up as ever. It is the spectacle that draws
>the fans, and the fantasy of honest competition is too
>resilient.
If Barry Bonds died tomorrow the sport would be healthier. If they tore open the
record book and started deciding which of his HRs didn't happen then we'd have a
situation like cycling.
Ron
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Date: 11 May 2007 15:28:27
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 02:49:49 GMT, Bob Schwartz
> <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> WeaselPoopPower wrote:
>>> Mr. K.V.B.L. wrote:
>>>> ...just retire dude. There's no more career for you left.
>>>>
>>>> "Adieu, sucker!" - Blacque Jacque Shellacque
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is it Tyler's career, or euro pro cycling that is dead?
>> If Tyler had 'fessed up at the start, he'd be in the clear.
>> Irony totally rocks!
>
> In what way? No protour team for four years. That appears to be the rule? Was
> there a Tyler exemption for "fessing up?" Didn't know such a thing exists.
If Tyler had 'fessed up he wouldn't be looking at a lifetime ban.
He'd be starting the Giro. His career would be moving forward
rather than circling the toilet.
I guess once he got cut from ProTour teams he should have just
slit his wrists and called it a day.
>> But why would Euro pro cycling take a hit? The players are
>> interchangeable. Last year the Tour lost LANCE to retirement
>> and Basso and Ullrich to Op Puerto and the race never even
>> missed them. We had the best race with more drama and
>> uncertainty than we've had in years.
>
> And now it's next season and we still don't know who will be declared the
> winner. Do you really think that's a favorable outcome. That any sport could
> long survive having the results of it's three largest annual event overturned
> one after another.
You hand wringers just don't get it. That stuff only matters if
it causes enough people to stop showing up on mountain passes
or to stop parking their butts in front of the TV to watch the
spectacle.
We have had NUMEROUS doping scandals. The sport has grown in
spite of it. We have ALREADY HAD the result of a Grand Tour
overturned because of a doping test result. It didn't matter.
>> That's what the doping hand wringers are missing. If Barry
>> Bonds died tomorrow his sport would still go on without
>> him, as doped up as ever. It is the spectacle that draws
>> the fans, and the fantasy of honest competition is too
>> resilient.
>
> If Barry Bonds died tomorrow the sport would be healthier. If they tore open the
> record book and started deciding which of his HRs didn't happen then we'd have a
> situation like cycling.
Yeah, the Vuelta totally hit the tank after Heras got popped
and the result was changed. That's some pretty incontestable
evidence that people give a shit about stuff like that.
Just watch. You'll turn on your TV in July and you'll see the
Galibier, or the Aubisque and it'll be like a ghost town.
Totally empty. Or maybe you won't, because surely the media
will just abandon the Tour out of lack of interest. Maybe the
coverage will just evaporate into the ether because no one
cares about the Tour anymore.
When Bonds breaks the home run record, baseball should just
give it up. The stands will surely be empty in reaction to
such a charade. And if that doesn't do it, striking the
record from the books certainly will.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 11 May 2007 12:19:13
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 15:28:27 GMT, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
>Just watch. You'll turn on your TV in July and you'll see the
>Galibier, or the Aubisque and it'll be like a ghost town.
>Totally empty.
Geez, stop cherry-assing. What is the impact on the rbr July posting
numbers? Flat-line?
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 11 May 2007 15:24:27
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Hey, Tyler Hamilton...
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RonSonic wrote:
> In what way? No protour team for four years. That appears to be the rule? Was
> there a Tyler exemption for "fessing up?" Didn't know such a thing exists.
That wasn't yet the rule in September 2004.
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