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Date: 04 Apr 2007 00:06:23
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Subject: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 10:58:34
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 6:31 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> amit wrote:
> >> > the pro method is 800mL of packed cells on the rest day and avoid the
> >> > bonn prosecutor.
> Donald Munro wrote:
> >> 800ml of orange juice if reputed to work as well.
> need more sun wrote:
> > If using orange juice, probably better to drink it rather than
> > transfuse it
>
> So they've developed drinkable Orange Juice then ? The wonders of modern
> science.
With enough vodka mixed in, orange juice is drinkable.
Also, it's at this juncture that I must recommend kenacort.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 23:04:10
From:
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 10:13 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Apr 4, 1:21 pm, pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > On Apr 4, 12:44 am, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > wrote:
>
> > > pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > > I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval > > workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the
> > > hill. Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
>
> > > Pushing hard isn't the problem : pushing too hard, too long is. But > > 2-3 of solid climbing intensity, and one easy climb (focusing on
> > > technique), per week isn't too taxing.
> > > Dan
>
> > You can hurt yourself by being too intense for a few seconds. I guess
> > I am in a different league from you because my intervals are an hour
> > straight up the mountain. Intervals of 5 minutes sounds really really
> > weak. Five minute intervals would be good for a beginner. Thanks for
> > your advice even though i will ingnore it .
>
> Okay, you're the expert, so why are you asking us?
>
> One hour efforts are time trials, and not intervals
> as Dan means it unless you are very disciplined and
> can ride steadily on the verge between suffering and
> barfing-on-the-top-tube for an hour. Riding hard
> for an hour is good training, but if you're not crying
> to make it stop at the end of it, you're probably not
> going hard enough to call it an interval.
I'm definitely crying when I do the 10 kms with 1000 meter elevation
gain. Im not breathing hard because I do alot of mountain climbing but
my legs are straining. there is definitely somthing unpleasant about
it. It takes me a couple days to recover.
One reason I gravitate to doing this is that it is quite easy to
motivate myself. Its quite simple. you just keep climbing until you
reach the top. There are enough people around watching to keep you
honest.
If you're
> doing this every day, you probably aren't going hard
> enough to maximize the benefit (on the principle that
> there should be both hard and easy days).
>
> A 5 minute interval (better, several 5 minute intervals)
> is not easier than a 1 hour threshold effort, or strictly
> for beginners. It's just over quicker. But you work
> harder during the interval. Both have their place.
> If your race is a steady climb, that suggests adjusting
> the balance of training toward longer efforts; if it's
> a series of up and down, you may wish you had also
> trained for hard shorter efforts.
Yes, I should probably try to practice doing some short intervals
especially fast.
>
> Ben
> Doesn't training for "adventure racing" take
> some of the adventure out of it?- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
I really dont want an adventure. I just do adventure racing because I
cant run. I have good lungs from hiking so I tend to start passing the
runners on the hills and the biking part of race. Once I learn to run,
it will be all gravy.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 22:51:22
From:
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 10:27 pm, "Bret" <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Apr 4, 4:57 pm, pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > > in message <46135768.4050905@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>, Dan Connelly
>
> > > ('d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m') wrote:
> > > > pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
> > > >> where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
> > > >> pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
> > > >> intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
> > > >> to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
> > > >> that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
>
> > > > I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval
> > > > workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the hill.
> > > > Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
>
> > > If we're being serious, that's the surface like, how technical is it, and
> > > so on?
>
> > > 1000 metres climb on a steady even gradient of one in ten on smooth tarmac
> > > is one thing; 1000 metres climb on twisting, switchbacking technical
> > > singletrack with loose surfaces is quite another. I can do the first; the
> > > second, I'd lose concentration, lose my line, and fall off a lot...
>
> > > Training for the two climbs would be entirely different.
>
> > > --
> > > s...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> > > 'there are no solutions, only precipitates'
>
> > The 1000 meters/10 kms I practice on is paved road. I do it in the
> > lowest gear. The up hill part of the race will be on well groomed
> > gravel paths. The technical part will be downhill. I like the 1000
> > meter/10 km paved route because other people race it so it gives
> > incentive to do it. There is a a gravel path parallel to the road but
> > the paved route is easier. I guess I should train on the gravel path
> > but im stupid and lazy.
>
> Just curious, are you also training for the technical descents? Is
> that where the adventure begins?
>
> Bret- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
I trained last year for the descents. The first time I did an
adventure race I didnt know anything about technical descents and was
quite surprised that anyone could even do that stuff. I'm learning.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 22:27:01
From: Bret
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 4:57 pm, pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > in message <46135768.4050905@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>, Dan Connelly
>
> > ('d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m') wrote:
> > > pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
> > >> where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
> > >> pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
> > >> intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
> > >> to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
> > >> that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
>
> > > I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval
> > > workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the hill.
> > > Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
>
> > If we're being serious, that's the surface like, how technical is it, and
> > so on?
>
> > 1000 metres climb on a steady even gradient of one in ten on smooth tarmac
> > is one thing; 1000 metres climb on twisting, switchbacking technical
> > singletrack with loose surfaces is quite another. I can do the first; the
> > second, I'd lose concentration, lose my line, and fall off a lot...
>
> > Training for the two climbs would be entirely different.
>
> > --
> > s...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> > 'there are no solutions, only precipitates'
>
> The 1000 meters/10 kms I practice on is paved road. I do it in the
> lowest gear. The up hill part of the race will be on well groomed
> gravel paths. The technical part will be downhill. I like the 1000
> meter/10 km paved route because other people race it so it gives
> incentive to do it. There is a a gravel path parallel to the road but
> the paved route is easier. I guess I should train on the gravel path
> but im stupid and lazy.
Just curious, are you also training for the technical descents? Is
that where the adventure begins?
Bret
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 22:13:58
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 1:21 pm, pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Apr 4, 12:44 am, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> wrote:
>
> > pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval > > workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the
> > hill. Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
>
> > Pushing hard isn't the problem : pushing too hard, too long is. But > > 2-3 of solid climbing intensity, and one easy climb (focusing on
> > technique), per week isn't too taxing.
> > Dan
>
> You can hurt yourself by being too intense for a few seconds. I guess
> I am in a different league from you because my intervals are an hour
> straight up the mountain. Intervals of 5 minutes sounds really really
> weak. Five minute intervals would be good for a beginner. Thanks for
> your advice even though i will ingnore it .
Okay, you're the expert, so why are you asking us?
One hour efforts are time trials, and not intervals
as Dan means it unless you are very disciplined and
can ride steadily on the verge between suffering and
barfing-on-the-top-tube for an hour. Riding hard
for an hour is good training, but if you're not crying
to make it stop at the end of it, you're probably not
going hard enough to call it an interval. If you're
doing this every day, you probably aren't going hard
enough to maximize the benefit (on the principle that
there should be both hard and easy days).
A 5 minute interval (better, several 5 minute intervals)
is not easier than a 1 hour threshold effort, or strictly
for beginners. It's just over quicker. But you work
harder during the interval. Both have their place.
If your race is a steady climb, that suggests adjusting
the balance of training toward longer efforts; if it's
a series of up and down, you may wish you had also
trained for hard shorter efforts.
Ben
Doesn't training for "adventure racing" take
some of the adventure out of it?
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 15:57:21
From:
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 2:55 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <46135768.4050905@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>, Dan Connelly
>
> ('d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m') wrote:
> > pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
> >> where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
> >> pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
> >> intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
> >> to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
> >> that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
>
> > I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval
> > workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the hill.
> > Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
>
> If we're being serious, that's the surface like, how technical is it, and
> so on?
>
> 1000 metres climb on a steady even gradient of one in ten on smooth tarmac
> is one thing; 1000 metres climb on twisting, switchbacking technical
> singletrack with loose surfaces is quite another. I can do the first; the
> second, I'd lose concentration, lose my line, and fall off a lot...
>
> Training for the two climbs would be entirely different.
>
> --
> s...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> 'there are no solutions, only precipitates'
The 1000 meters/10 kms I practice on is paved road. I do it in the
lowest gear. The up hill part of the race will be on well groomed
gravel paths. The technical part will be downhill. I like the 1000
meter/10 km paved route because other people race it so it gives
incentive to do it. There is a a gravel path parallel to the road but
the paved route is easier. I guess I should train on the gravel path
but im stupid and lazy.
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 08:07:23
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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pakihaki22@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
> im stupid and lazy.
>
Correct.
You should listen to Dan. 5 minute intervals will be good for your hill
climbing.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 14:09:11
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 4:28 pm, Curtis L. Russell <cur...@md-bicycling.org > wrote:
> On 4 Apr 2007 05:24:32 -0700, "need more sun"
>
> <recbikegr...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >If using orange juice, probably better to drink it rather than
> >transfuse it
>
> Especially Pulpy. Clogs the needles.
>
> Unless you use really big needles.
And since the big ones are expensive, it is wise to reuse and/or share
them.
Joseph
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 13:21:45
From:
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 12:44 am, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
> > where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
> > pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
> > intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
> > to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
> > that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
>
> I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the hill. Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
>
> Pushing hard isn't the problem : pushing too hard, too long is. But 2-3 of solid climbing intensity, and one easy climb (focusing on technique), per week isn't too taxing.
> Dan
You can hurt yourself by being too intense for a few seconds. I guess
I am in a different league from you because my intervals are an hour
straight up the mountain. Intervals of 5 minutes sounds really really
weak. Five minute intervals would be good for a beginner. Thanks for
your advice even though i will ingnore it .
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 05:24:32
From: need more sun
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 11:45 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> amit.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > the pro method is 800mL of packed cells on the rest day and avoid the
> > bonn prosecutor.
>
> 800ml of orange juice if reputed to work as well.
If using orange juice, probably better to drink it rather than
transfuse it
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 15:31:56
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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amit wrote:
>> > the pro method is 800mL of packed cells on the rest day and avoid the
>> > bonn prosecutor.
Donald Munro wrote:
>> 800ml of orange juice if reputed to work as well.
need more sun wrote:
> If using orange juice, probably better to drink it rather than
> transfuse it
So they've developed drinkable Orange Juice then ? The wonders of modern
science.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 09:28:05
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On 4 Apr 2007 05:24:32 -0700, "need more sun"
<recbikegroup@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:
>If using orange juice, probably better to drink it rather than
>transfuse it
Especially Pulpy. Clogs the needles.
Unless you use really big needles.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 02:28:19
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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On Apr 4, 3:06 am, pakihak...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
> where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
> pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
> intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
> to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
> that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
dumbass,
the pro method is 800mL of packed cells on the rest day and avoid the
bonn prosecutor.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 11:45:09
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> the pro method is 800mL of packed cells on the rest day and avoid the
> bonn prosecutor.
800ml of orange juice if reputed to work as well.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 07:44:40
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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pakihaki22@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
> where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
> pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
> intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
> to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
> that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
>
I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the hill. Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
Pushing hard isn't the problem : pushing too hard, too long is. But 2-3 of solid climbing intensity, and one easy climb (focusing on technique), per week isn't too taxing.
Dan
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 22:55:18
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: How long does it take to train to do hills ?
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in message <46135768.4050905@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >, Dan Connelly
('d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m') wrote:
> pakihaki22@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> Compared to learning how to run? I have an adventure race in 4 weeks
>> where there will be intermediate mountain bike downhill and some
>> pretty steep hills. I guess it is important to find the right
>> intenstiy to train at. If i push it too much , it will take too long
>> to recover. There is a 10 km hill with 1000 meters of elevation gain
>> that i might train on.(mt seymour, canada).
>>
>
> I'd find a good guide to training, and use it to guide your interval
> workouts on the hill, but not focus on just riding up and down the hill.
> Instead: good, quality, 5 minute intervals.
If we're being serious, that's the surface like, how technical is it, and
so on?
1000 metres climb on a steady even gradient of one in ten on smooth tarmac
is one thing; 1000 metres climb on twisting, switchbacking technical
singletrack with loose surfaces is quite another. I can do the first; the
second, I'd lose concentration, lose my line, and fall off a lot...
Training for the two climbs would be entirely different.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
'there are no solutions, only precipitates'
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