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Date: 10 Jun 2007 11:29:14
From: Sandy
Subject: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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... so I spent some time catching up on the news.
A race war is to be admired in Israel.
A race war is criminal in Serbia.
A muslim woman can be condemned to death in Malaysia by a sharia court, and
civil courts may not intervene.
A catholic girl in America may get an abortion if she wants, and her parents
are prevented from exercising their influence by civil courts.
Kosovo is an ethnic province that should be independent.
Transdnestr is an ethnic province that should not be independent.
Palestine is a state.
Palestine is a state of mind.
Turkey is in Europe.
Turkey is in Asia minor.
Kazakhstan has a nice dictator.
Turkmenistan has a bad dictator.
Chavez harvests grapes.
Chavez harvests petroleum.
China is our friend.
China is our enemy.
Ozone is poison.
Ozone is a shield against poison.
Europe is democratic.
Europe has 7 hereditary monarchies.
Safety equipment makes cars better.
Safety equipment costs carbon points as cars get heavier.
The melting Arctic ocean will flood inhabited regions.
Real estate law is not well developed in Antarctica.
Shimano is better than Campagnolo.
Campagnolo is better than Shimano.
It seems impossible for just one person to put in a light bulb.
Doping is (is not) a problem in cycling.
Doping is (is not) a problem in general.
News of the day from various "highly regarded" sources.
--
Sandy
-
Darwinism, born in ideological struggle, has never escaped from an intimate
reciprocal relationship with worldviews exported from and imported into the
science. No one challenges the claim that evolutionary theory has had a wide
effect on social theory. It is a cliché of cultural history that the
explanation of evolution by natural selection served as an ideological
justification for laissez-faire capitalism and the colonial domination of
the lesser breeds without the law
- Richard Lewontin
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 00:03:41
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 12, 2:59 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> I hate to point this out to you but these guys are criminals from one point
> of view but enemy combatants from another. They have a great value to us
> AFTER hostilities end
Hostilities are going to end in the present war?
The GWOT, Global War on Terror? How will we know
when the War on Terror is over? Just after Dick
Pound wins the War on Dope?
> but if we're forced to prosecute them as the criminals
> they surely could be convicted as, we have lost a great and valuable
> commodity.
A) Horseshit. B) People, even nasty naughty people and
Osama's driver, aren't commodities.
Thanks,
Ben
$3.99/lb
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 16:13:04
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 12, 6:12 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1181647829.052262.132230@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Ben the easy way to accomplish holding them indefinitely was to
> > declare them POWs. Set up camps monitored by the UN and Red Cross
> > governed under the Geneva Conventions.
>
> The problem with that is that you have to have a declared country as enemy
> to make them POW's.
>
> > Unfortunately we decided to
> > hide tham away and torture them which has been a disaster.
>
> Do you actually believe that somewhere they're shoving splinters under these
> guys fingernails?
>
> > Now a bunch of those we were forced into releasing have gone back to
> > fighting and killing US troops, civilians, and our allies.
> > :
> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/14/gitmo.inmates.reut/index.html
>
> > They had a chance to contrast the values involved by running a model
> > POW system while the people we are fighting continued to kidnap,
> > torture, and slaughter. The only difference in the route they chose is
> > that we aren't doing mass summary executions.
>
> Now I'm wondering what would make you believe that running a model POW
> system would somehow lead this "bunch" of terrorists to take up another line
> of work after release? Or perhaps you're suggesting that they should NEVER
> have been released?
>
You do NOT need a country listed anymore. The world is well aware and
has taken asymetrical warfare into consideration. The case would be
easy to make that these are combatants captured, and therefore able to
be held until the end of hostilities under the Geneva Convention.
People would fight it, but we'd be arguing from a position of
strength.
Running model POW camps wouldn't do a damned thing to change the
minds of those already fighting, but it would've prevented massive
amounts of true propaganda being used to recruit more fighters.
I'm SAYING that we could have, and should have held them forever if
needed in legal camps.
Bill C
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 04:30:29
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 12, 1:21 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Jun 11, 8:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote in message
> > > <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >> Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
> > >> Japanese prisoners during WW II?
>
> > > You mean the prisoners of Guantanamo are prisoners of war after all?
>
> > If you charge them you may have to charge them with a capital offense.
> > Better to keep them on ice and have the chance that these militants can
> > someday go home or be traded for someone important to us.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Prisoners are not like rear derailleurs. You aren't
> supposed to see a couple of them priced cheap on a tarp
> at the Kabul swap meet, buy them up and store them in a
> cardboard box in your shed, just in case you need them
> as a replacement someday. At least, you aren't supposed
> to do that in a democracy with rules and laws (For
> prisoners, I mean. You can do whatever you want with
> rear derailleurs, at least until the Transportation Safety
> Administration comes up with some reason to object
> to them.)
>
> If these guys are so bad, put them on trial. The real
> reason most of them are not on trial is that the evidence
> against them is either flimsy or inadmissible (hearsay,
> obtained by torture, hearsay obtained by torture, and
> so on). Even the government more or less admits this,
> as seen by its filings in the Padilla case. Anyway,
> if our kangaroo courts accidentally convicted one of
> these shmucks of a capital crime, the US could always
> commute the sentence if they wanted to exchange
> the prisoner later.
>
> Ben
> Obviously if you were arrested you must have been
> a counterrevolutionary, because if you weren't a
> counterrevolutionary, why would you have been arrested?
Ben the easy way to accomplish holding them indefinitely was to
declare them POWs. Set up camps monitored by the UN and Red Cross
governed under the Geneva Conventions. Unfortunately we decided to
hide tham away and torture them which has been a disaster.
Now a bunch of those we were forced into releasing have gone back to
fighting and killing US troops, civilians, and our allies.
:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/14/gitmo.inmates.reut/index.html
They had a chance to contrast the values involved by running a model
POW system while the people we are fighting continued to kidnap,
torture, and slaughter. The only difference in the route they chose is
that we aren't doing mass summary executions.
More good thinking.
Bill C
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 22:12:35
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1181647829.052262.132230@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>
> Ben the easy way to accomplish holding them indefinitely was to
> declare them POWs. Set up camps monitored by the UN and Red Cross
> governed under the Geneva Conventions.
The problem with that is that you have to have a declared country as enemy
to make them POW's.
> Unfortunately we decided to
> hide tham away and torture them which has been a disaster.
Do you actually believe that somewhere they're shoving splinters under these
guys fingernails?
> Now a bunch of those we were forced into releasing have gone back to
> fighting and killing US troops, civilians, and our allies.
> :
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/14/gitmo.inmates.reut/index.html
>
> They had a chance to contrast the values involved by running a model
> POW system while the people we are fighting continued to kidnap,
> torture, and slaughter. The only difference in the route they chose is
> that we aren't doing mass summary executions.
Now I'm wondering what would make you believe that running a model POW
system would somehow lead this "bunch" of terrorists to take up another line
of work after release? Or perhaps you're suggesting that they should NEVER
have been released?
I really like you guys and your damned if you do and damned if you don't
attitudes.
While driving across town to a hardware store this morning I was listening
to Rush Limbaugh and he played a recording of one of Al Gore's speeches
accosting the Reagan/Bush administration as allowing Saddam Hussein to
develop weapons of mass destruction, gain nuclear bomb technology, gas 5,000
Kurds in a single town, etc. etc. etc.
Everything he said was EXACTLY word for word what George W. Bush said and
which Gore and the rest of the Democrats then refuted.
I'm sick and tired of bullshit from politicians and you politician
wannabees.
While I have a distrust and a dislike for most of what George Bush has done
and continues to do, he did do some things correctly and that is one of
them.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 05:21:03
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 11, 8:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote in message
> > <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
> >> Japanese prisoners during WW II?
>
> > You mean the prisoners of Guantanamo are prisoners of war after all?
>
> If you charge them you may have to charge them with a capital offense.
> Better to keep them on ice and have the chance that these militants can
> someday go home or be traded for someone important to us.
Dumbass,
Prisoners are not like rear derailleurs. You aren't
supposed to see a couple of them priced cheap on a tarp
at the Kabul swap meet, buy them up and store them in a
cardboard box in your shed, just in case you need them
as a replacement someday. At least, you aren't supposed
to do that in a democracy with rules and laws (For
prisoners, I mean. You can do whatever you want with
rear derailleurs, at least until the Transportation Safety
Administration comes up with some reason to object
to them.)
If these guys are so bad, put them on trial. The real
reason most of them are not on trial is that the evidence
against them is either flimsy or inadmissible (hearsay,
obtained by torture, hearsay obtained by torture, and
so on). Even the government more or less admits this,
as seen by its filings in the Padilla case. Anyway,
if our kangaroo courts accidentally convicted one of
these shmucks of a capital crime, the US could always
commute the sentence if they wanted to exchange
the prisoner later.
Ben
Obviously if you were arrested you must have been
a counterrevolutionary, because if you weren't a
counterrevolutionary, why would you have been arrested?
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 21:59:59
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote in message
news:1181625663.810506.108340@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 11, 8:09 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>> > <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
>> >> Japanese prisoners during WW II?
>>
>> > You mean the prisoners of Guantanamo are prisoners of war after all?
>>
>> If you charge them you may have to charge them with a capital offense.
>> Better to keep them on ice and have the chance that these militants can
>> someday go home or be traded for someone important to us.
>
> Prisoners are not like rear derailleurs. You aren't
> supposed to see a couple of them priced cheap on a tarp
> at the Kabul swap meet, buy them up and store them in a
> cardboard box in your shed, just in case you need them
> as a replacement someday.
I hate to point this out to you but these guys are criminals from one point
of view but enemy combatants from another. They have a great value to us
AFTER hostilities end but if we're forced to prosecute them as the criminals
they surely could be convicted as, we have lost a great and valuable
commodity.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 10:04:15
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Prisoners are not like rear derailleurs. You aren't
> supposed to see a couple of them priced cheap on a tarp
> at the Kabul swap meet, buy them up and store them in a
> cardboard box in your shed, just in case you need them
> as a replacement someday.
I had a chain with an Al Qaeda link once.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 14:59:45
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 11, 12:32 pm, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org >
wrote:
> "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>
> news:5d56d5F32uar7U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> Kind of U.S. centric, aren't you? Guantanamo is the new Devils Island.
>
> > Certainly not. You had to be convicted to be sent to Devils Island.
>
> > Benjo
>
> More with the technicalities. Sentence them first, then the convictions,
> later the trials. Keeps them off the streets while we decide what to do with
> them. Which, of course, made a tad more sense when we are talking about
> people that were on our streets to begin with.
>
> I have to say that this is an area that in reality is far from humorous.
> Having worked in a prison system for three years, more or less, and only
> 8-10 hours a day, and of that, only a few hours a day in the cellblocks, I
> still have a better idea than most of what its like to spend significant
> time incarcerated. Pulling out of the war is one thing - the citizens of the
> U.S. can at least argue about the difficulties of disengagement. There is no
> reason for this to continue. The Guantanamo prison facilities should be
> closed now and an unbiased board review those held at Guantanamo - and the
> half that are left should be transferred to more humane sites, open to
> normal review. Now. Today.
>
> This crap isn't why I served thirty years ago and aren't the values that I
> went voluntary draft to represent. We were the war that popularized the
> concept, "destroy the village to save it" - now this administration brings
> it home and applies it to the values we should be representing.
>
> Oops, think I'm channeling Bill C. there for a moment. Sorry Bill.
>
> May write Powell in for President, even if it appears now to be the last
> thing he wants.
>
> --
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
Hey Curtis
As I was reading it I was cheering and going "Hell YEAH!!".
Bill C
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 10:50:53
From:
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 11, 10:20 am, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org >
wrote:
> <rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181577477.563880.253390@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...> On Jun 11, 6:32 pm, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org>
> > wrote:
>
> >> May write Powell in for President
>
> > I thought your idea of a centrist ticket was Lieberman/McCain.
>
> That certainly has changed over the last few months and more than a bit over
> the weekend. Lets just say that I still respect both of them for being
> relatively blunt, but question their judgment a lot more since the last
> election. Actually, since last Friday...
>
> If Unity08 doesn't come up with a decent set of candidates, I may go with
> Powell and figure out over the next few months who to put second. Maybe
> Robin Williams, so no one would want to take a shot at Powell. Ever.
>
> --
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjrOi4vF24
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 10:46:00
From:
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 11, 9:32 am, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org >
wrote:
> "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>
> news:5d56d5F32uar7U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> Kind of U.S. centric, aren't you? Guantanamo is the new Devils Island.
>
> > Certainly not. You had to be convicted to be sent to Devils Island.
>
> > Benjo
>
> More with the technicalities. Sentence them first, then the convictions,
> later the trials. Keeps them off the streets while we decide what to do with
> them. Which, of course, made a tad more sense when we are talking about
> people that were on our streets to begin with.
>
> I have to say that this is an area that in reality is far from humorous.
> Having worked in a prison system for three years, more or less, and only
> 8-10 hours a day, and of that, only a few hours a day in the cellblocks, I
> still have a better idea than most of what its like to spend significant
> time incarcerated. Pulling out of the war is one thing - the citizens of the
> U.S. can at least argue about the difficulties of disengagement. There is no
> reason for this to continue. The Guantanamo prison facilities should be
> closed now and an unbiased board review those held at Guantanamo - and the
> half that are left should be transferred to more humane sites, open to
> normal review. Now. Today.
>
> This crap isn't why I served thirty years ago and aren't the values that I
> went voluntary draft to represent. We were the war that popularized the
> concept, "destroy the village to save it" - now this administration brings
> it home and applies it to the values we should be representing.
>
> Oops, think I'm channeling Bill C. there for a moment. Sorry Bill.
>
> May write Powell in for President, even if it appears now to be the last
> thing he wants.
Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
Japanese prisoners during WW II?
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 01:41:55
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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<cyclintom@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181583960.017779.293980@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 11, 9:32 am, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org>
> wrote:
>> "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>>
>> news:5d56d5F32uar7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> >> Kind of U.S. centric, aren't you? Guantanamo is the new Devils Island.
>>
>> > Certainly not. You had to be convicted to be sent to Devils Island.
>>
>> > Benjo
>>
>> More with the technicalities. Sentence them first, then the convictions,
>> later the trials. Keeps them off the streets while we decide what to do
>> with
>> them. Which, of course, made a tad more sense when we are talking about
>> people that were on our streets to begin with.
>>
>> I have to say that this is an area that in reality is far from humorous.
>> Having worked in a prison system for three years, more or less, and only
>> 8-10 hours a day, and of that, only a few hours a day in the cellblocks,
>> I
>> still have a better idea than most of what its like to spend significant
>> time incarcerated. Pulling out of the war is one thing - the citizens of
>> the
>> U.S. can at least argue about the difficulties of disengagement. There is
>> no
>> reason for this to continue. The Guantanamo prison facilities should be
>> closed now and an unbiased board review those held at Guantanamo - and
>> the
>> half that are left should be transferred to more humane sites, open to
>> normal review. Now. Today.
>>
>> This crap isn't why I served thirty years ago and aren't the values that
>> I
>> went voluntary draft to represent. We were the war that popularized the
>> concept, "destroy the village to save it" - now this administration
>> brings
>> it home and applies it to the values we should be representing.
>>
>> Oops, think I'm channeling Bill C. there for a moment. Sorry Bill.
>>
>> May write Powell in for President, even if it appears now to be the last
>> thing he wants.
>
> Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
> Japanese prisoners during WW II?
You mean the prisoners of Guantanamo are prisoners of war after all?
Benjo
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 03:09:31
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:5d64u3F30nnp6U1@mid.individual.net...
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Excuse me, I forget - how long did they hold the German, Italian and
>> Japanese prisoners during WW II?
>
> You mean the prisoners of Guantanamo are prisoners of war after all?
If you charge them you may have to charge them with a capital offense.
Better to keep them on ice and have the chance that these militants can
someday go home or be traded for someone important to us.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 10:44:33
From:
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 11, 2:03 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> writes:
> > rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> >> I'm thinkin' Sandy needs an alarm clock.
>
> > He also forgot to vote.
>
> Wouldn't have made any difference
>
> The Lemmings turned out in droves to be led to the Cliff by a Traitor
I always find it interesting that those who consider themselves
educated always consider the majority of their countrymen to be
absolute idiots.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 15:57:57
From:
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 11, 6:32 pm, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org >
wrote:
> May write Powell in for President
I thought your idea of a centrist ticket was Lieberman/McCain.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 12:20:43
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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<rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181577477.563880.253390@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 11, 6:32 pm, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org>
> wrote:
>
>> May write Powell in for President
>
> I thought your idea of a centrist ticket was Lieberman/McCain.
>
That certainly has changed over the last few months and more than a bit over
the weekend. Lets just say that I still respect both of them for being
relatively blunt, but question their judgment a lot more since the last
election. Actually, since last Friday...
If Unity08 doesn't come up with a decent set of candidates, I may go with
Powell and figure out over the next few months who to put second. Maybe
Robin Williams, so no one would want to take a shot at Powell. Ever.
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 19:33:51
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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In article <9r6dnZbLpNGK6_DbnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@giganews.com >,
"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@the-md-russells.org > wrote:
> <rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1181577477.563880.253390@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 11, 6:32 pm, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> May write Powell in for President
> >
> > I thought your idea of a centrist ticket was Lieberman/McCain.
> >
> That certainly has changed over the last few months and more than a bit over
> the weekend. Lets just say that I still respect both of them for being
> relatively blunt, but question their judgment a lot more since the last
> election. Actually, since last Friday...
>
> If Unity08 doesn't come up with a decent set of candidates, I may go with
> Powell and figure out over the next few months who to put second. Maybe
> Robin Williams, so no one would want to take a shot at Powell. Ever.
Tancredo / Sharpton doesn't work for you as Unity '08?
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 08:42:21
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-25CE02.19335111062007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
...
> Tancredo / Sharpton doesn't work for you as Unity '08?
>
> --
> tanx,
> Howard
If I voted that way, would it be irony, sarcasm or protest? Is it enough to
put the conservative-liberal meter needle in the middle if the needle then
snaps off? Important questions, but it requires a drink. Back in a while...
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 00:05:20
From:
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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On Jun 10, 4:46 pm, Steven Bornfeld <dentaltwinm...@earthlink.net >
wrote:
> We need a bibliography.
I'm thinkin' Sandy needs an alarm clock.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 10:29:52
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> I'm thinkin' Sandy needs an alarm clock.
He also forgot to vote.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 12:35:28
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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Dans le message de news:466d0900$0$11030$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
>> I'm thinkin' Sandy needs an alarm clock.
>
> He also forgot to vote.
Didn't forget - didn't agonize - we are going to be proud Bush Republicans
here.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 12:57:53
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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Sandy wrote:
> Didn't forget - didn't agonize - we are going to be proud Bush Republicans
> here.
Time to re-open Devil's Island as the new Guantanamo.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:07:21
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:466d2bb2$0$11019$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> Sandy wrote:
>> Didn't forget - didn't agonize - we are going to be proud Bush
>> Republicans
>> here.
>
> Time to re-open Devil's Island as the new Guantanamo.
>
Kind of U.S. centric, aren't you? Guantanamo is the new Devils Island. Give
credit where credit is due, even if IMO it wasn't either Hoffman's or
McQueen's best movie (I'm trying to not be U.S. centric, but we must have
our filters).
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 17:00:55
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@the-md-russells.org > wrote in message
news:noGdnU4WK5pZ1fDbnZ2dnUVZ_o2vnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:466d2bb2$0$11019$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>> Sandy wrote:
>>> Didn't forget - didn't agonize - we are going to be proud Bush
>>> Republicans
>>> here.
>>
>> Time to re-open Devil's Island as the new Guantanamo.
>>
> Kind of U.S. centric, aren't you? Guantanamo is the new Devils Island.
Certainly not. You had to be convicted to be sent to Devils Island.
Benjo
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 11:32:27
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:5d56d5F32uar7U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Kind of U.S. centric, aren't you? Guantanamo is the new Devils Island.
>
> Certainly not. You had to be convicted to be sent to Devils Island.
>
> Benjo
More with the technicalities. Sentence them first, then the convictions,
later the trials. Keeps them off the streets while we decide what to do with
them. Which, of course, made a tad more sense when we are talking about
people that were on our streets to begin with.
I have to say that this is an area that in reality is far from humorous.
Having worked in a prison system for three years, more or less, and only
8-10 hours a day, and of that, only a few hours a day in the cellblocks, I
still have a better idea than most of what its like to spend significant
time incarcerated. Pulling out of the war is one thing - the citizens of the
U.S. can at least argue about the difficulties of disengagement. There is no
reason for this to continue. The Guantanamo prison facilities should be
closed now and an unbiased board review those held at Guantanamo - and the
half that are left should be transferred to more humane sites, open to
normal review. Now. Today.
This crap isn't why I served thirty years ago and aren't the values that I
went voluntary draft to represent. We were the war that popularized the
concept, "destroy the village to save it" - now this administration brings
it home and applies it to the values we should be representing.
Oops, think I'm channeling Bill C. there for a moment. Sorry Bill.
May write Powell in for President, even if it appears now to be the last
thing he wants.
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 11:03:39
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > writes:
> rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
>> I'm thinkin' Sandy needs an alarm clock.
>
> He also forgot to vote.
Wouldn't have made any difference
The Lemmings turned out in droves to be led to the Cliff by a Traitor
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Davey Crockett
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 14:46:04
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: I overslept and missed the morning ride ...
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Sandy wrote:
> ... so I spent some time catching up on the news.
>
> A race war is to be admired in Israel.
> A race war is criminal in Serbia.
>
> A muslim woman can be condemned to death in Malaysia by a sharia court, and
> civil courts may not intervene.
> A catholic girl in America may get an abortion if she wants, and her parents
> are prevented from exercising their influence by civil courts.
>
> Kosovo is an ethnic province that should be independent.
> Transdnestr is an ethnic province that should not be independent.
>
> Palestine is a state.
> Palestine is a state of mind.
>
> Turkey is in Europe.
> Turkey is in Asia minor.
>
> Kazakhstan has a nice dictator.
> Turkmenistan has a bad dictator.
>
> Chavez harvests grapes.
> Chavez harvests petroleum.
>
> China is our friend.
> China is our enemy.
>
> Ozone is poison.
> Ozone is a shield against poison.
>
> Europe is democratic.
> Europe has 7 hereditary monarchies.
>
> Safety equipment makes cars better.
> Safety equipment costs carbon points as cars get heavier.
>
> The melting Arctic ocean will flood inhabited regions.
> Real estate law is not well developed in Antarctica.
>
> Shimano is better than Campagnolo.
> Campagnolo is better than Shimano.
>
> It seems impossible for just one person to put in a light bulb.
>
> Doping is (is not) a problem in cycling.
> Doping is (is not) a problem in general.
>
> News of the day from various "highly regarded" sources.
We need a bibliography.
Steve
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