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Date: 09 Jun 2007 14:58:32
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: It's April 1st again!
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To quote Cycling News today:
UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Times.
In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their tricks.
WTF?
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; making jokes about dyslexia isn't big, it isn't clever and
;; it isn't furry.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 06:28:18
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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On Jun 9, 7:29 pm, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
>
> > --
> > s...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> > ;; making jokes about dyslexia isn't big, it isn't clever and
> > ;; it isn't furry.
>
> I doubt very much that skateboarding can be added without changing the
> UCI constitution
Dumbass -
The UCI isn't accountable to any constituency that's gonna "vote them
out of office" like politicians. They can change the "constitution"
however and whenever they want. They will too, if they think money is
there to be made.
All they see is:
UCI controls skateboarding at Olympics = $$$$
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 10:28:23
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> UCI controls skateboarding at Olympics = $$$$
Paddy want party.
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 17:20:36
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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> The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Times.
> In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their tricks.
I think it's a *great* idea to increase the utility of velodromes, which
often have a difficult time justifying their existence to the local
government footing the bill. It would probably make more sense if they could
figure a way to do BMX on the infield, but that might take up more space
than is available.
However... it's beyond absurd to remove the Kilo, one of the great standards
of track, and replace it with skateboarding. The Kilo is essentially made
for sound/video bites. It's short, it's dramatic (especially with modern
technology, where you could show the current vs virtual lead rider at the
same time), and it's easy to grasp what's going on.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 08:28:12
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:pz0bi.17836$C96.15665@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
...
>
> However... it's beyond absurd to remove the Kilo, one of the great
> standards of track, and replace it with skateboarding. The Kilo is
> essentially made for sound/video bites. It's short, it's dramatic
> (especially with modern technology, where you could show the current vs
> virtual lead rider at the same time), and it's easy to grasp what's going
> on.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Actually, it is sort of the measure of the sport how short it falls in
making any real attempt at connecting with the larger audience. Really now -
long distance oval skating is any more exciting? No, but they decided to
make the effort to build in excitement by blending technology and 'other
than deadhead' announcers - and fabricating feuds when it met skatings'
needs.
Any track event other than track bike balancing as a timed event can be made
exciting and can connect with the viewer. Someone has to make a real effort
to make the connection with a larger audience, but they don't and evidently
won't.
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 14:46:47
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> Any track event other than track bike balancing as a timed event can be made
> exciting and can connect with the viewer.
Track bike balancing could be made exciting by allowing spectatators to
throw missiles at the balancers. They connect with the competitors when
they score a hit. Last man standing wins (it could even have a big brother
component by allowing the competitors to attempt to ingrate themselves
with the crowd - the most popular competitor gets less stuff thrown at him)
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 05:57:04
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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In article <pz0bi.17836$C96.15665@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net >,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> > to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Times.
> > In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> > sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> > approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> > confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> > includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> > erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their tricks.
>
> I think it's a *great* idea to increase the utility of velodromes, which
> often have a difficult time justifying their existence to the local
> government footing the bill. It would probably make more sense if they could
> figure a way to do BMX on the infield, but that might take up more space
> than is available.
Probably there is enough room for some BMX events in the infield,
depending on how flexible the ramps are, and whether you're thinking
vert or street course. The scale of a small velodrome may be described
by the fact that the Burnaby Velodrome, 200m, has room for six
full-sized volleyball courts with plenty of room between them. I believe
they may squeeze in one or two more courts in a training configuration.
http://www.volleyballbc.ca/HJSC/
> However... it's beyond absurd to remove the Kilo, one of the great standards
> of track, and replace it with skateboarding. The Kilo is essentially made
> for sound/video bites. It's short, it's dramatic (especially with modern
> technology, where you could show the current vs virtual lead rider at the
> same time), and it's easy to grasp what's going on.
Agreed.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 00:12:06
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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In article <rcousine-58A3FE.22570310062007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <pz0bi.17836$C96.15665@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> > > to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London
> > > Times.
> > > In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> > > sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> > > approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> > > confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> > > includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> > > erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their tricks.
> >
> > I think it's a *great* idea to increase the utility of velodromes, which
> > often have a difficult time justifying their existence to the local
> > government footing the bill. It would probably make more sense if they
> > could
> > figure a way to do BMX on the infield, but that might take up more space
> > than is available.
>
> Probably there is enough room for some BMX events in the infield,
> depending on how flexible the ramps are, and whether you're thinking
> vert or street course. The scale of a small velodrome may be described
> by the fact that the Burnaby Velodrome, 200m, has room for six
> full-sized volleyball courts with plenty of room between them. I believe
> they may squeeze in one or two more courts in a training configuration.
I believe they're going to have BMX racing, rather than freestyle events (like
ramp or street). The UCI has had Worlds for BMX for the past four years, long enough
to see that there is already a BMX version of Raymond Poulidor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_BMX_World_Championships
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 07:39:42
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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In article <YOURhoward-9CE614.00120611062007@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <rcousine-58A3FE.22570310062007@news.telus.net>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > In article <pz0bi.17836$C96.15665@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
> > "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic
> > > > Committee
> > > > to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London
> > > > Times.
> > > > In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> > > > sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain
> > > > faster
> > > > approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> > > > confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> > > > includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> > > > erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their
> > > > tricks.
> > >
> > > I think it's a *great* idea to increase the utility of velodromes, which
> > > often have a difficult time justifying their existence to the local
> > > government footing the bill. It would probably make more sense if they
> > > could
> > > figure a way to do BMX on the infield, but that might take up more space
> > > than is available.
> >
> > Probably there is enough room for some BMX events in the infield,
> > depending on how flexible the ramps are, and whether you're thinking
> > vert or street course. The scale of a small velodrome may be described
> > by the fact that the Burnaby Velodrome, 200m, has room for six
> > full-sized volleyball courts with plenty of room between them. I believe
> > they may squeeze in one or two more courts in a training configuration.
>
> I believe they're going to have BMX racing, rather than freestyle events
> (like
> ramp or street). The UCI has had Worlds for BMX for the past four years, long
> enough
> to see that there is already a BMX version of Raymond Poulidor.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCI_BMX_World_Championships
Hm. Good question then about the size. I'd say it would work, but not
during the same two-week period as you wanted to have an Olympic track
meet.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 11:15:34
From: Jeff Jackson
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote in message
news:89oqj4-4s2.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> To quote Cycling News today:
>
> UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
>
> The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Times.
> In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
>
I'd rather watch skateboarding over 2-man luge any day of the week. I find
many of the sports in the X games far more compelling than rhythmic
gymnastics and curling for example. I say we give it a whirl.
jj
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 05:58:00
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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In article <_MZai.18$IF2.13@newsfe03.lga >,
"Jeff Jackson" <xandood@<REMOVE >yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:89oqj4-4s2.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> > To quote Cycling News today:
> >
> > UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
> >
> > The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> > to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Times.
> > In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> > sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> > approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> >
>
>
> I'd rather watch skateboarding over 2-man luge any day of the week. I find
> many of the sports in the X games far more compelling than rhythmic
> gymnastics and curling for example. I say we give it a whirl.
>
> jj
You take that back about curling! Also, curling is a winter sport, and
not likely to displace track events unless and until the UCI decides
that track is really, really a winter event and moves it to the Winter
Games.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 23:58:39
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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In article <rcousine-AF2EF8.22575910062007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> You take that back about curling! Also, curling is a winter sport, and
> not likely to displace track events unless and until the UCI decides
> that track is really, really a winter event and moves it to the Winter
> Games.
Cycling is considered a "summer" sport by the Olympic organizers, hence it will
(probably) always be part of the summer games. Which is why cyclocross won't be part
of the games.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 06:16:46
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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On Jun 9, 3:26 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:58:32 +0100, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wr=
ote:
> >To quote Cycling News today:
>
> > UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
>
> > The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> > to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Tim=
es.
> > In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> > sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> > approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> > confirmed Olivier Qu=E9guiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> > includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> > erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their trick=
s=2E
>
> >WTF?
>
> I gotta go look this up.... hang on.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2007/jun07/jun09news
>
> Third item down.
>
> WTF?
>
> You don't suppose the UCI is planning to leave cycling because of recent =
drug
> issues, do you. Maybe they're looking for competitors who are easier to b=
ust.
>
> Can anybody explain this?
>
> Ron
Yep, no drugs in skateboarding or BMX...
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 04:29:50
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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* Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk > a écrit
> To quote Cycling News today:
>
> UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
>
> The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Times.
> In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their tricks.
>
> WTF?
>
> --
> simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; making jokes about dyslexia isn't big, it isn't clever and
> ;; it isn't furry.
>
I doubt very much that skateboarding can be added without changing the
UCI constitution
The inclusion of skateboarding is probably Ultra Vires as the
Constitution now stands
The Constitution as read currently embraces Cycling and no other
sport.
Maybe this is the opportunity to sweep out the bunch of idiots running
the UCI by keeping them so tied up with legal challenges that they are
unable to function?
Even if one applies Rules 58 and 59 which give special powers in
urgent matters to the Management Committee or, in instances, the
President alone, they/he cannot undertake a course of action which
goes against the Constitution (embrace the management of a non-cycling
sport) without being held accountable.(having his/their sorry ass/es
booted out)
I would suggest that everyone start the ball rolling by petitioning
their National Federation or Local/State/Provincial Division thereof
to call a Special Congress to Dissolve the UCI or alternatively to
Remove from Office the Judas Goat President and such Members of the
Management Committee who support the President in his latest MadCap
scheme to wantonly squander Your License Fees on an endeavour bot
permitted by the Constitution.
I mean like, the Booze, Whores and Apartments for Mistresses are
OK. They are a time-honoured Perk. But this latest foolishness is the
Straw that Broke the Donkey's Back, Right?
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
-
If you want a vision of the future under the Common Market,
imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 17:24:58
From:
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <jd6m63tib0od32ojoe4ng4dqlbmuqsdqsf@4ax.com>, RonSonic
> ('ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com') wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:58:32 +0100, Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>To quote Cycling News today:
> >>
> >> UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
> >>
SNIP
Hi Simon:
It read to me more like "the UCI wants to take over skateboarding
because they've done such a good job with BMX," with the Olympic
carrot held out to the skaeboard companies (the board, clothing and
"lifestyle" companies are the current main sponsors of pro
skateboarding teams). I'd have to ask locals who travel to compete to
see if there are conditions or course types that favor competitors
from one region of the world over another (this is a reference to the
chess world, where the all-important [if you like appearance money and
free tournament entry fees] titles are "easier" to gain in parts of
the world that have more invitational round-robin competition than,
say, the United States and its weekend open tournaments). (Yup, I'm
paranoid that way -- does skateboarding already have a "ruling" or
"standards of competition" body?).
Rleone
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 16:49:20
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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On Jun 9, 5:26 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:58:32 +0100, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wr=
ote:
> >To quote Cycling News today:
>
> > UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
>
> > The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> > to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Tim=
es.
> > In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> > sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> > approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> > confirmed Olivier Qu=E9guiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> > includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> > erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their trick=
s=2E
>
> >WTF?
>
> I gotta go look this up.... hang on.
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2007/jun07/jun09news
>
> Third item down.
>
> WTF?
>
> You don't suppose the UCI is planning to leave cycling because of recent =
drug
> issues, do you. Maybe they're looking for competitors who are easier to b=
ust.
>
> Can anybody explain this?
>
> Ron
I wanna know where they plan to find enough skateboarders that can
pass a drug test to hold an Olympic event. They're cutting actual
cycling events and the UCI wants to help replace them with
skateboarding????
Bill C
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 17:26:42
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:58:32 +0100, Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
>To quote Cycling News today:
>
> UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
>
> The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
> to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London Times.
> In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add the
> sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain faster
> approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for 2012,"
> confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The proposal
> includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic velodrome by
> erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform their tricks.
>
>WTF?
I gotta go look this up.... hang on.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun09news
Third item down.
WTF?
You don't suppose the UCI is planning to leave cycling because of recent drug
issues, do you. Maybe they're looking for competitors who are easier to bust.
Can anybody explain this?
Ron
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 00:09:10
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: It's April 1st again!
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in message <jd6m63tib0od32ojoe4ng4dqlbmuqsdqsf@4ax.com >, RonSonic
('ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com') wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:58:32 +0100, Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>To quote Cycling News today:
>>
>> UCI to add skateboarding to Olympic menu?
>>
>> The UCI has put forth a proposal to the International Olympic Committee
>> to add skateboarding to the 2012 Olympics, according to the London
>> Times. In order to add the sport more quickly, the UCI is proposing add
>> the sport as a discipline under their organisation, which could gain
>> faster approval. "We are doing our best to introduce skateboarding for
>> 2012," confirmed Olivier Quéguiner, the UCI director of sport. The
>> proposal includes holding the skateboarding events at the Olympic
>> velodrome by erecting a number of half-pipes for the skaters to perform
>> their tricks.
>>
>>WTF?
>
> You don't suppose the UCI is planning to leave cycling because of recent
> drug issues, do you. Maybe they're looking for competitors who are easier
> to bust.
>
> Can anybody explain this?
Two wheels bad, four wheels good.
Who wants a one kilometer time trial when you could have people messing
about on glorified rollerskates?
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; not so much a refugee from reality, more a bogus
;; asylum seeker
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