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Date: 25 Mar 2007 17:09:25
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: "It's part of my contract"
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Zabel about his having to work for Pettachi.
From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/07/26news
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 12:09:08
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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On 26, 2:19 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> amit.gh...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On 26, 8:40 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Zabeltook a job as Pettachi's lead out. He also gets to
> >> race for himself on many, many occasions. If Pettachi is
> >> not capable of closing it out in the big races it is his
> >> problem, notZabel's.Zabelis not capable of stepping into
> >> that role.
>
> >> Bob Schwartz
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > thanks for clarifyng for rbr morons.
>
> > when zabel says "it's in my contract" it means he considers it his job
> > to help peta win, not that it actually says in his contract "you have
> > to lead out petacchi in MSR".
>
> That's implied, of course. Petacchi is the more recent winner.
> Nevertheless, it still carries a note of bitterness because Zabel knows
> what it takes to win this race--four times--and he was in with enough
> strength at the end to pull past his own sprinter. Apparently Petacchi
> was aware of his own weakness during the race (ref. cyclingnews
> post-race comments) so he should have spoken with Zabel before the end
> to settle the order of the last two positions of the train. Milram might
> have had a better result.
dumbass,
there was some gesturing and commotion within the Milram train, so I
think something went awry in the leadout.
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 21:47:02
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> there was some gesturing and commotion within the Milram train, so I
> think something went awry in the leadout.
No, that was just Velo encouraging Petacchi: "Vai, vai!"
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 18:56:45
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsvxcDwhpK8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrcnCo2UD1Y
Ferretti in 2005:
"We do NOT improvise in the final meters"
"Well, Fassa hopes and wants to win because winning is beautiful,
because Alessandro is great, because Alessandro is strong. But all
that is not enough. You also need a little bit of luck. We need to
race extremely well. We need so many things, a lot of things, little
things, even a lot sometimes. But that's because winning is
beautiful."
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 08:18:25
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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On 26, 8:40 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 2007 17:40:52 -0500, Bob Schwartz
> > <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> Earth to Bill,
>
> >>http://www.team-milram.com/en/team_rider_details.asp?riderID=33&detai...
>
> >> He's not winning anymore, not at the classics level. And I mean
> >> that in the nicest possible way.
>
> > And Pettachi is? So clearly that it has to spelled out in a contract?
>
> Well, I don't believe race tactics are spelled out in the
> contract, if that's what you mean.
>
> Years ago Samuel Abt did a story about Eros Poli. He noted
> that Poli had spent much of his life, starting as an
> amateur with the Italian National Team, leading out
> Cipollini. Poli felt no bitterness at all in this. He
> said that while he could produce a lot of good results, he
> couldn't win. Not like Cipollini did. He made a lot more
> money as Cipo's lead out than he would have made sprinting
> for himself. So he was OK with leading out Cipo.
>
> Zabeltook a job as Pettachi's lead out. He also gets to
> race for himself on many, many occasions. If Pettachi is
> not capable of closing it out in the big races it is his
> problem, notZabel's.Zabelis not capable of stepping into
> that role.
>
> Bob Schwartz
dumbass,
thanks for clarifyng for rbr morons.
when zabel says "it's in my contract" it means he considers it his job
to help peta win, not that it actually says in his contract "you have
to lead out petacchi in MSR".
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 20:05:45
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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In article <1174922305.230570.187290@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> when zabel says "it's in my contract" it means he considers it his job
> to help peta win, not that it actually says in his contract "you have
> to lead out petacchi in MSR".
Petacchi is still complaining that his left leg doesn't have quite the
same power as the right (since he broke his knee on that side) and that he
can't do his sprints like he needs to. Obviously, the only way he can know
if it's completely ready is to try in the races. The sprint is different
from the main part of the race, so it isn't like he can tell before the
end if it's ready yet. I do wish he wouldn't essentially give up once he
sees that he isn't likely to win. As Robert says, that's why Freire wins.
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remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 20:19:51
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> On 26, 8:40 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Zabeltook a job as Pettachi's lead out. He also gets to
>> race for himself on many, many occasions. If Pettachi is
>> not capable of closing it out in the big races it is his
>> problem, notZabel's.Zabelis not capable of stepping into
>> that role.
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
>
> dumbass,
>
> thanks for clarifyng for rbr morons.
>
> when zabel says "it's in my contract" it means he considers it his job
> to help peta win, not that it actually says in his contract "you have
> to lead out petacchi in MSR".
>
>
That's implied, of course. Petacchi is the more recent winner.
Nevertheless, it still carries a note of bitterness because Zabel knows
what it takes to win this race--four times--and he was in with enough
strength at the end to pull past his own sprinter. Apparently Petacchi
was aware of his own weakness during the race (ref. cyclingnews
post-race comments) so he should have spoken with Zabel before the end
to settle the order of the last two positions of the train. Milram might
have had a better result.
Probably second.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 15:20:23
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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On 25, 6:09 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> Zabel about his having to work for Pettachi.
>
> Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/07/26news
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It's sad to see someone of Zabel's stature, with the ability he still
has, being forced to work for a sprinter who admits he's not healthy
enough to compete for the win.
If Pettachi is healthy then it makes sense, but to hold Zabel back
and use him this way is insulting and stupid.
It's a sad situation.
Bill C
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 17:40:52
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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Bill C wrote:
> On 25, 6:09 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>> Zabel about his having to work for Pettachi.
>>
>> Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/07/26news
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> It's sad to see someone of Zabel's stature, with the ability he still
> has, being forced to work for a sprinter who admits he's not healthy
> enough to compete for the win.
> If Pettachi is healthy then it makes sense, but to hold Zabel back
> and use him this way is insulting and stupid.
> It's a sad situation.
> Bill C
Earth to Bill,
http://www.team-milram.com/en/team_rider_details.asp?riderID=33&detail=highlights
He's not winning anymore, not at the classics level. And I mean
that in the nicest possible way.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 18:51:38
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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On Sun, 25 2007 17:40:52 -0500, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
>Earth to Bill,
>
>http://www.team-milram.com/en/team_rider_details.asp?riderID=33&detail=highlights
>
>He's not winning anymore, not at the classics level. And I mean
>that in the nicest possible way.
And Pettachi is? So clearly that it has to spelled out in a contract?
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 12:40:21
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Sun, 25 2007 17:40:52 -0500, Bob Schwartz
> <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Earth to Bill,
>>
>> http://www.team-milram.com/en/team_rider_details.asp?riderID=33&detail=highlights
>>
>> He's not winning anymore, not at the classics level. And I mean
>> that in the nicest possible way.
>
> And Pettachi is? So clearly that it has to spelled out in a contract?
Well, I don't believe race tactics are spelled out in the
contract, if that's what you mean.
Years ago Samuel Abt did a story about Eros Poli. He noted
that Poli had spent much of his life, starting as an
amateur with the Italian National Team, leading out
Cipollini. Poli felt no bitterness at all in this. He
said that while he could produce a lot of good results, he
couldn't win. Not like Cipollini did. He made a lot more
money as Cipo's lead out than he would have made sprinting
for himself. So he was OK with leading out Cipo.
Zabel took a job as Pettachi's lead out. He also gets to
race for himself on many, many occasions. If Pettachi is
not capable of closing it out in the big races it is his
problem, not Zabel's. Zabel is not capable of stepping into
that role.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 02:13:38
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: "It's part of my contract"
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> And Pettachi is?
Yeah, who he?
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