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Date: 21 Feb 2007 19:34:14
From: wimpyVO2
Subject: Ivan Basso
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Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
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Date: 25 Feb 2007 06:01:29
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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On Feb 23, 7:52 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> >> Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new
> >> team
> >> and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his
> >> stuff,
> >> you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to
> >> do
> >> anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year
> >> (although
> >> he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
> >> for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
> >> feathers right now.
>
> >> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > BUT regardless of what some in the US would like to think, this is a
> > multi day stage race in February. Thesze Euros love to come to the US
> > to race/train but this is not on par with any European race. Reminds
> > me of Nissan Classic, nice race but really prep for other European
> > races.
>
> The main issue here, which you've brought up yourself, isn't that this is a
> race in the US, but that it's a race in February. If this race were in May
> or June, and part of a longer calendar that allowed them to spend (more)
> time in the US without being disruptive to their training (jet lag issues
> etc), you'd see the same type (quality & style) of racing here that you'd
> see in Europe. And we just may get there. I'm beginning to believe. Never
> thought we had a chance until just recently. It just could happen.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
It's all about money, and I don't think as a sport, it will be on par
with the interest shown in Europe. Unless the advertisers can show
that many will watch cycling in the US, in May, I don't think it's
ever going to happen. W/o an American star being successful in big
euro races, that can translate to that guy/team racing with the Euro
teams in the US...don't see it. Ask any non cyclist who Ivan Basso is,
see if they know.
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Date: 25 Feb 2007 13:03:45
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in message
news:1172412089.241228.304210@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > BUT regardless of what some in the US would like to think, this is a
>> > multi day stage race in February. Thesze Euros love to come to the US
>> > to race/train but this is not on par with any European race. Reminds
>> > me of Nissan Classic, nice race but really prep for other European
>> > races.
>>
>> The main issue here, which you've brought up yourself, isn't that this is
>> a
>> race in the US, but that it's a race in February. If this race were in
>> May
>> or June, and part of a longer calendar that allowed them to spend (more)
>> time in the US without being disruptive to their training (jet lag issues
>> etc), you'd see the same type (quality & style) of racing here that you'd
>> see in Europe. And we just may get there. I'm beginning to believe. Never
>> thought we had a chance until just recently. It just could happen.
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
> It's all about money, and I don't think as a sport, it will be on par
> with the interest shown in Europe. Unless the advertisers can show
> that many will watch cycling in the US, in May, I don't think it's
> ever going to happen. W/o an American star being successful in big
> euro races, that can translate to that guy/team racing with the Euro
> teams in the US...don't see it. Ask any non cyclist who Ivan Basso is,
> see if they know.
>
I'm not even sure it's about money. The Tour of Langkawi started out
claiming to have the largest prizelist behind the Tour de France. I don't
know if that is still the case, but if it is, it still hasn't brought in the
biggest riders. I'm sure part of that is due to it's placement on the
calendar and part due to travel issues. Regardless, the money hasn't been
enough of a factor to draw many top names to Malaysia. Many more competed in
Qatar, despite the race courses being more selective and challenging in
Malaysia. It's roughly 4600 km and a three hour time difference from
Frankfurt, Germany to Doha, Qatar, whereas it is roughly 10,000 km and a 7
hour time difference from Frankfurt to Kuala Lumpur.
Speaking of money, is it considered to be in poor manners internationally to
breakdown the prizelist?
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Date: 24 Feb 2007 03:30:11
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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On Feb 22, 7:07 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
>
> Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new team
> and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his stuff,
> you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to do
> anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year (although
> he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
> for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
> feathers right now.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
I just realised that you name sounded familiar to me:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051915/
-ilan
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Date: 24 Feb 2007 17:29:56
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> I just realised that you name sounded familiar to me:
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051915/
I'll have to see that (Jacobowsky and the Colonel) someday. My last name
seems to be one of those where I come across people who swear they've come
across someone, somewhere, with the same (or similar) name... but I've never
found them in any searches I've done. I have a feeling it's people who have
seen or heard of that movie.
--Mike (Jacoubowsky)-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 00:13:19
From: bsa
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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Hi,
just my cent, for the group.
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regards
Fabio
On Feb 23, 5:13 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <545t6gF1urhq...@mid.individual.net>,
> Alan Hoyle <a...@unc.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:08:52 +0100, Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:04:04 GMT, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > >> Hm. How does downloading (versus on-page playback) affect the server
> > >> load?
>
> > > Download = once per person. Stream = maybe multiple times and/or
> > > seeking back and forth.
>
> > Depending on how many people you expect to access your videos, the
> > reverse is probably what one would perfer.
>
> > Download = "send once as fast as possible."
>
> > Stream = "slow down the bits to just fast enough so more people can
> > enjoy simultaneously."
>
> >Streamingscales better.
>
> > -alan
>
> Yeah, but the link in question doesn't seem to be, by the strictest
> definition,streaming. It's the same set of bits: no quality (source
> bandwidth of the data) degradation is possible, as in truestreaming.
>
> Properly speaking, this is what is sometimes called a "fast start"video, as the player can start playing it before the movie is entirely
> downloaded. But if the load is high, it just pauses until it buffers
> enough bits to keep playing.
>
> Most players are clever enough that they try not to start playing until
> they've buffered enough bits that if the current download rate holds,
> they'll get all the bits before thevideoends. Sometimes that's not the
> case, and then they usually pause until, once again, they think they've
> got enough of a headstart not to pause...
>
> That behaviour is clever, but it's not strictlystreaming, which uses a
> clever server to send bits as catch can, with the idea that it's better
> to see crappyvideoon time than the fullvideolater.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 05:41:41
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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On Feb 21, 11:07 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
>
> Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new team
> and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his stuff,
> you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to do
> anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year (although
> he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
> for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
> feathers right now.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
BUT regardless of what some in the US would like to think, this is a
multi day stage race in February. Thesze Euros love to come to the US
to race/train but this is not on par with any European race. Reminds
me of Nissan Classic, nice race but really prep for other European
races.
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Date: 24 Feb 2007 02:52:06
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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>> Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new
>> team
>> and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his
>> stuff,
>> you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to
>> do
>> anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year
>> (although
>> he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
>> for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
>> feathers right now.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> BUT regardless of what some in the US would like to think, this is a
> multi day stage race in February. Thesze Euros love to come to the US
> to race/train but this is not on par with any European race. Reminds
> me of Nissan Classic, nice race but really prep for other European
> races.
The main issue here, which you've brought up yourself, isn't that this is a
race in the US, but that it's a race in February. If this race were in May
or June, and part of a longer calendar that allowed them to spend (more)
time in the US without being disruptive to their training (jet lag issues
etc), you'd see the same type (quality & style) of racing here that you'd
see in Europe. And we just may get there. I'm beginning to believe. Never
thought we had a chance until just recently. It just could happen.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 21 Feb 2007 22:41:32
From: bjorn
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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On Feb 21, 10:07 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
>
> Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new team
> and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his stuff,
> you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to do
> anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year (although
> he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
> for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
> feathers right now.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Levi said in today's press conf that Basso did what he was asked to
do, going up the climb pretty far. Hincapie apparently had to ask a
couple of times for Basso to slow down and Levi himself said he was
feeling the pace.
To see how it goes, I have made the audio of today's press conf
available:
http://www.procyclingpress.com/racereports/racereports-noframe.html
(voigt is at http://www.procyclingpress.com/rennberichte/racereports-noframe.html)
All I ask is that you download it rather than play it directly off the
server.
thanks,
bjorn
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 10:04:04
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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In article <1172126492.205134.44820@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com >,
"bjorn" <procyclingpress@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 21, 10:07 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > > Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
> >
> > Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new
> > team
> > and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his
> > stuff,
> > you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to do
> > anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year (although
> > he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
> > for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
> > feathers right now.
> >
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
> Levi said in today's press conf that Basso did what he was asked to
> do, going up the climb pretty far. Hincapie apparently had to ask a
> couple of times for Basso to slow down and Levi himself said he was
> feeling the pace.
>
> To see how it goes, I have made the audio of today's press conf
> available:
>
> http://www.procyclingpress.com/racereports/racereports-noframe.html
>
> (voigt is at
> http://www.procyclingpress.com/rennberichte/racereports-noframe.html)
>
> All I ask is that you download it rather than play it directly off the
> server.
>
> thanks,
>
> bjorn
Hm. How does downloading (versus on-page playback) affect the server
load?
I'm curious because I fancy myself a media/web dilettante kind of guy,
and I had never even considered that their might be server issues.
Aren't you sending the same bits either way?
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 11:08:52
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:04:04 GMT, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Hm. How does downloading (versus on-page playback) affect the server
> load?
Download = once per person. Stream = maybe multiple times and/or
seeking back and forth.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 04:14:54
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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In article <4oqqt218u67mi94uo1ss6m5ibdpftn89a7@4ax.com >,
Ewoud Dronkert <firstname@lastname.net.invalid > wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:04:04 GMT, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > Hm. How does downloading (versus on-page playback) affect the server
> > load?
>
> Download = once per person. Stream = maybe multiple times and/or
> seeking back and forth.
Hm. Maybe. Most browser cache the file sufficiently to not require
re-retrieving bits. Only people who return to the file after exiting the
page (and after it has dumped out of their browser cache) really
double-dip on the server.
But that's the best explanation so far.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 16:03:28
From: Alan Hoyle
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:08:52 +0100, Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:04:04 GMT, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> Hm. How does downloading (versus on-page playback) affect the server
>> load?
> Download = once per person. Stream = maybe multiple times and/or
> seeking back and forth.
Depending on how many people you expect to access your videos, the
reverse is probably what one would perfer.
Download = "send once as fast as possible."
Stream = "slow down the bits to just fast enough so more people can
enjoy simultaneously."
Streaming scales better.
-alan
--
Alan Hoyle - alanh@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate.
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Date: 23 Feb 2007 04:13:38
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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In article <545t6gF1urhqlU1@mid.individual.net >,
Alan Hoyle <alanh@unc.edu > wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:08:52 +0100, Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:04:04 GMT, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >> Hm. How does downloading (versus on-page playback) affect the server
> >> load?
>
> > Download = once per person. Stream = maybe multiple times and/or
> > seeking back and forth.
>
> Depending on how many people you expect to access your videos, the
> reverse is probably what one would perfer.
>
> Download = "send once as fast as possible."
>
> Stream = "slow down the bits to just fast enough so more people can
> enjoy simultaneously."
>
> Streaming scales better.
>
> -alan
Yeah, but the link in question doesn't seem to be, by the strictest
definition, streaming. It's the same set of bits: no quality (source
bandwidth of the data) degradation is possible, as in true streaming.
Properly speaking, this is what is sometimes called a "fast start"
video, as the player can start playing it before the movie is entirely
downloaded. But if the load is high, it just pauses until it buffers
enough bits to keep playing.
Most players are clever enough that they try not to start playing until
they've buffered enough bits that if the current download rate holds,
they'll get all the bits before the video ends. Sometimes that's not the
case, and then they usually pause until, once again, they think they've
got enough of a headstart not to pause...
That behaviour is clever, but it's not strictly streaming, which uses a
clever server to send bits as catch can, with the idea that it's better
to see crappy video on time than the full video later.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 09:41:46
From: matabala
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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"bjorn" <procyclingpress@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1172126492.205134.44820@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 21, 10:07 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> > Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
>>
>> Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new
>> team
>> and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his
>> stuff,
>> you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to
>> do
>> anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year
>> (although
>> he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
>> for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
>> feathers right now.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
> Levi said in today's press conf that Basso did what he was asked to
> do, going up the climb pretty far. Hincapie apparently had to ask a
> couple of times for Basso to slow down and Levi himself said he was
> feeling the pace.
>
too fast apparently for climber-extraordinaire Tommy Doughboy who hasn't yet
gotten with the program.
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 21:49:04
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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matabala wrote:
> "bjorn" <procyclingpress@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1172126492.205134.44820@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 21, 10:07 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
>>> Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new
>>> team
>>> and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his
>>> stuff,
>>> you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to
>>> do
>>> anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year
>>> (although
>>> he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
>>> for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
>>> feathers right now.
>>>
>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>> Levi said in today's press conf that Basso did what he was asked to
>> do, going up the climb pretty far. Hincapie apparently had to ask a
>> couple of times for Basso to slow down and Levi himself said he was
>> feeling the pace.
>>
> too fast apparently for climber-extraordinaire Tommy Doughboy who hasn't yet
> gotten with the program.
>
>
Ah. When are you expecting that to happen?
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Date: 22 Feb 2007 06:07:50
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Ivan Basso
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> Did he come to California to race or to take a vacation?
Assuming it's a serious question, he came to California to meet his new team
and see how they work together. If you were expecting him to show his stuff,
you were mistaken. This race is all about Levi, and Basso's not going to do
anything to mess that up. Basso has only one real focus this year (although
he claims two). He wants to make sure he's got a team that's ready to die
for him if need be, when the time comes. No way is he going to ruffle
feathers right now.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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