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Date: 26 Sep 2007 18:34:43
From: Max Payne
Subject: Jeanie Longo....
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Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 04:45:48
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 28, 7:35 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Oh, sorry. I posted that link for the photos only. You can tell that
> Lucas is a redneck jerk from those, I believe. He basically
> continually insults his charges and almost never congratulates them
> for good results, and Manaudou has had lots of those. She terminated
> her relationship with him last year. Since then he has been under
> investigation for fraud, including cashing Manaudou's cheques
> illegally.
>
> -ilan- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
I like trying. I was much better when we were living in Germany,
obviously, and It's always been easier for me to read other languages
than speak them. 99% of the time I can get all the basics from what
I'm reading pretty easily then it's off to the dictionary, or a
translator for help. Except the Polish, or Lithuanian which I have
about 6 words of each, and forget writing and spelling in either ;-)
Bill C
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 11:35:57
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 28, 1:47 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 6:40 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 12:19 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 4:31 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 27, 9:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > > > > > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > > > > > more like they hate her.
>
> > > > > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> > > > > they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> > > > > sideshow.
> > > > > It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> > > > > but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> > > > > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> > > > > ahead of Burton.
> > > > > Bill C
>
> > > > Leontien van Moorsel had better competition than Burton. Recall that
> > > > Leontien won worlds the last time they were in Stuttgart, so had a
> > > > pretty long career as well.
>
> > > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I think Burton was more versatile, and this site makes the point that
> > > women's races were actually too easy for her style and strength:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/riders/berylburton.html
>
> > > But you can make a solid case for Leontien too.
> > > It's just too bad that Jeanson had those kind of performances that
> > > were fueled by drugs. She's someone I have a lot of sympathy for due
> > > to the totally screwed up situation she was placed into. Kinda like
> > > that Mormon girl who's now getting her story out and some of the scum
> > > charged and convicted. I wish that was Aubut's future, but not in
> > > Canada, and if it was prosecuted he'd get, maybe, a hundred hours
> > > community service.
> > > Quite a few of Jeanson's wins came at the expense of Lyne Bessette
> > > who I really like, especially as a person.
> > > BIll C
>
> > The real problem is that Aubut was stupid enough and horrible enough
> > to decide from the start to put Jeanson on EPO. Everyone agrees with
> > that, including those cheated by her, as Samplonius' letter states.
> > There are many other sick coach/athlete relationships, but where the
> > coach was competent at least. A good example is Laure Manaudou and
> > Philippe Lucas, e.g.,http://nageavecleloup.canalblog.com/archives/2007/05/index.html
> > He has his own puppet on French TV now, you can check it out on
> > YouTube. Aubut reminds me of a totally incompetent Lucas.
>
> > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> That really was tough on my french which is way too poor given that
> it's the language of diplomacy. I did the translator thing too, but
> there seem to be way too many nuances to the story to make it easy.
> I'll have to get my daughter to translate the details this weekend
> when she's home. ;-)
> I always feel like a moron for my incredibly limited language skills.
> I've been exposed since birth to Polish, German, French, and English,
> and I've failed miserably.
> Bill C
Oh, sorry. I posted that link for the photos only. You can tell that
Lucas is a redneck jerk from those, I believe. He basically
continually insults his charges and almost never congratulates them
for good results, and Manaudou has had lots of those. She terminated
her relationship with him last year. Since then he has been under
investigation for fraud, including cashing Manaudou's cheques
illegally.
-ilan
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 22:36:15
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 26, 10:43 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> No, I mean your " nobody ever heard of her again". The '96 mess was just
> that, a mess. And it can be laid at her feet if you want to portray a
> simple, neat package of a reply, but it's somewhat more complex than that.
>
> As for the 'nobody ever heard of her again', Twigg was not one to dwell in
> the spotlight. Given her pre '88 accolades, did you hear anything about her
> until she resurfaced in 1992?
I heard she was on the sundeck of the Ramada getting a transfusion
during the 84 Olympics.
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 17:36:24
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 8:29 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1190937160.427035.211970@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Sep 27, 7:51 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> >> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1190922703.994096.305890@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> >> > > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> >> > > more like they hate her.
>
> >> > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > > - Show quoted text -
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> >> > The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> >> > they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> >> > sideshow.
> >> > It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> >> > but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> >> > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> >> > ahead of Burton.
> >> > Bill C
>
> >> Yvonne Reynders won 12 medals at the woman's world championships
> >> including 4
> >> gold medals and 2 silver medals in the road race. In the pursuit she won
> >> 3
> >> gold medals and 3 silver medals. Ten years later, Yvonne won the
> >> nationals
> >> and took 3rd in the World Championships.
>
> >> Yvonne Reynders of
> >> Belgium..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIaoM_4wxD0&mode=related&search=
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> > Where's Benjo when we need him???!!!
>
> You don't need me at all ... GoneBeforeMyTime knows about hundred times as
> much about women's cycling as I do ...
>
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But let's be real Benjo. He's not objective. You are, and I like him.
Bill C
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 19:37:19
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1190939784.306729.181860@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> > >> > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put
Longo
> > >> > ahead of Burton.
There's not much to go on in the 50's, 60's. Even the guy who is researching
Burton is asking for help. Elsy Jacobs
had a book written about her exploits, the first winner of the worlds in
1958. In the 70's, better, the beginning of Velonews. In the 80's better
still, another American resurgence since 1969 when Audrey McElmury became
the first America women to win the World Road Championships. You had Connie
Carpenter winning the Olympic road race in Los Angeles and Marianne Ann
Martin winning the first women's Tour De France. But the real explosion of
progress and news in women's cycling came in the 90's with an incredible
amount of good riders. Plus the internet boom fueled the ability to access
information.
But quickly, in the 60's, Burton stands out above the rest, but Reynders was
the clostest rival it seems. In the 70's, Genevieve Gambillon from France
won the road race at the worlds twice in 74, 75. Josiane Bost was also an
outstanding rider from France. She won various European seasonal awards five
years in a row. Other good riders of that time were Keetie Hage of the
Netherlands and Anna Konkina of USSR. In track there was Connie Young,
Rebecca Twigg, Sue Novara and Sheila Young. Beth Heiden had a short run, and
the well known Connie Carpenter. There were others.
Then, in mid 80's Longo started to dominate with Canins, Catherine Marsal.
Van Moorsel came in the early 90's, and the 90's was chalk full of awesome
riders. Of course you know the rest, riders like Arndt, Watt, Rossner,
Somaribba, Dede Barry, Linda Jackson, Luperini, tons more.
GBMT
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 16:52:40
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 7:51 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1190922703.994096.305890@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > > more like they hate her.
>
> > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> > they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> > sideshow.
> > It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> > but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> > ahead of Burton.
> > Bill C
>
> Yvonne Reynders won 12 medals at the woman's world championships including 4
> gold medals and 2 silver medals in the road race. In the pursuit she won 3
> gold medals and 3 silver medals. Ten years later, Yvonne won the nationals
> and took 3rd in the World Championships.
>
> Yvonne Reynders of Belgium..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIaoM_4wxD0&mode=related&search=
>
> GBMT- Hide quoted text -
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Where's Benjo when we need him???!!!
Bill C
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Date: 28 Sep 2007 02:29:15
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1190937160.427035.211970@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 27, 7:51 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1190922703.994096.305890@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
>> > > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
>> > > more like they hate her.
>>
>> > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
>> > they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
>> > sideshow.
>> > It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
>> > but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
>> > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
>> > ahead of Burton.
>> > Bill C
>>
>> Yvonne Reynders won 12 medals at the woman's world championships
>> including 4
>> gold medals and 2 silver medals in the road race. In the pursuit she won
>> 3
>> gold medals and 3 silver medals. Ten years later, Yvonne won the
>> nationals
>> and took 3rd in the World Championships.
>>
>> Yvonne Reynders of
>> Belgium..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIaoM_4wxD0&mode=related&search=
>>
>> GBMT- Hide quoted text -
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> Where's Benjo when we need him???!!!
You don't need me at all ... GoneBeforeMyTime knows about hundred times as
much about women's cycling as I do ...
Benjo
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 16:47:50
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 6:40 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 28, 12:19 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 4:31 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 9:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > > > > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > > > > more like they hate her.
>
> > > > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> > > > they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> > > > sideshow.
> > > > It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> > > > but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> > > > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> > > > ahead of Burton.
> > > > Bill C
>
> > > Leontien van Moorsel had better competition than Burton. Recall that
> > > Leontien won worlds the last time they were in Stuttgart, so had a
> > > pretty long career as well.
>
> > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I think Burton was more versatile, and this site makes the point that
> > women's races were actually too easy for her style and strength:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/riders/berylburton.html
>
> > But you can make a solid case for Leontien too.
> > It's just too bad that Jeanson had those kind of performances that
> > were fueled by drugs. She's someone I have a lot of sympathy for due
> > to the totally screwed up situation she was placed into. Kinda like
> > that Mormon girl who's now getting her story out and some of the scum
> > charged and convicted. I wish that was Aubut's future, but not in
> > Canada, and if it was prosecuted he'd get, maybe, a hundred hours
> > community service.
> > Quite a few of Jeanson's wins came at the expense of Lyne Bessette
> > who I really like, especially as a person.
> > BIll C
>
> The real problem is that Aubut was stupid enough and horrible enough
> to decide from the start to put Jeanson on EPO. Everyone agrees with
> that, including those cheated by her, as Samplonius' letter states.
> There are many other sick coach/athlete relationships, but where the
> coach was competent at least. A good example is Laure Manaudou and
> Philippe Lucas, e.g.,http://nageavecleloup.canalblog.com/archives/2007/05/index.html
> He has his own puppet on French TV now, you can check it out on
> YouTube. Aubut reminds me of a totally incompetent Lucas.
>
> -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That really was tough on my french which is way too poor given that
it's the language of diplomacy. I did the translator thing too, but
there seem to be way too many nuances to the story to make it easy.
I'll have to get my daughter to translate the details this weekend
when she's home. ;-)
I always feel like a moron for my incredibly limited language skills.
I've been exposed since birth to Polish, German, French, and English,
and I've failed miserably.
Bill C
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 22:40:31
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 28, 12:19 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 4:31 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 9:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > > > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > > > more like they hate her.
>
> > > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> > > they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> > > sideshow.
> > > It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> > > but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> > > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> > > ahead of Burton.
> > > Bill C
>
> > Leontien van Moorsel had better competition than Burton. Recall that
> > Leontien won worlds the last time they were in Stuttgart, so had a
> > pretty long career as well.
>
> > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I think Burton was more versatile, and this site makes the point that
> women's races were actually too easy for her style and strength:http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/riders/berylburton.html
>
> But you can make a solid case for Leontien too.
> It's just too bad that Jeanson had those kind of performances that
> were fueled by drugs. She's someone I have a lot of sympathy for due
> to the totally screwed up situation she was placed into. Kinda like
> that Mormon girl who's now getting her story out and some of the scum
> charged and convicted. I wish that was Aubut's future, but not in
> Canada, and if it was prosecuted he'd get, maybe, a hundred hours
> community service.
> Quite a few of Jeanson's wins came at the expense of Lyne Bessette
> who I really like, especially as a person.
> BIll C
The real problem is that Aubut was stupid enough and horrible enough
to decide from the start to put Jeanson on EPO. Everyone agrees with
that, including those cheated by her, as Samplonius' letter states.
There are many other sick coach/athlete relationships, but where the
coach was competent at least. A good example is Laure Manaudou and
Philippe Lucas, e.g., http://nageavecleloup.canalblog.com/archives/2007/05/index.html
He has his own puppet on French TV now, you can check it out on
YouTube. Aubut reminds me of a totally incompetent Lucas.
-ilan
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 16:58:32
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190932831.347480.126310@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 28, 12:19 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 4:31 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The real problem is that Aubut was stupid enough and horrible enough
> to decide from the start to put Jeanson on EPO. Everyone agrees with
> that, including those cheated by her, as Samplonius' letter states.
> There are many other sick coach/athlete relationships, but where the
> coach was competent at least. A good example is Laure Manaudou and
> Philippe Lucas, e.g.,
http://nageavecleloup.canalblog.com/archives/2007/05/index.html
> He has his own puppet on French TV now, you can check it out on
> YouTube. Aubut reminds me of a totally incompetent Lucas.
>
> -ilan
I don't have the link for this, it's from Monday...
FQSC's Barbeau Comments on Geneviève Jeanson's Admission to Doping
by John Symon September 24, 2007 (Montreal, QC) -
We contacted Louis Barbeau, Director General of the Fédération Québécoise
des Sports Cyclistes (FQSC), the association that governs cycling in Quebec,
for his comments regarding Geneviéve Jeanson's recent admission during a
Radio Canada interview (Part 1) that she doped with EPO, "almost all of her
(cycling) career." Jeanson, 26, is from Lachine, Quebec, and was formerly
"the golden girl" of cycling in Canada before retiring in December, 2006.
Were you surprised by Geneviève Jeanson's recent revelations and at how long
she'd been doping?
Louis Barbeau: I was not so much surprised by her revelations, as she had
been previously convicted of doping after the Tour of Toona in 2005. I was
surprised and disappointed though to learn that she started this very early
in her career (16-years-old), which coincides with her acquaintance with her
coach, André Aubut.
How well did you know Jeanson?
LB: I didn't know her that well. I first met Geneviève in 1993 at the
qualification event for the Quebec Provincial Games (note: Jeanson would
have been 11 years old at that time). I could tell that she was a determined
young girl. I saw her progress in the following years (1994-1996) and we
granted her the possibility to race in the junior category (1997) even
though she was in her last year as a cadet.
This is in accordance with our rules allowing such a thing in special cases
(i.e. with progressive athletes). She participated at the junior Road
Nationals with the Quebec team from 1997 to 1999. After 1999 (her last year
as a junior), our contact was very limited, as she no longer did any
projects with the Quebec team, racing with Medico Sportif (2000) and Rona
(2001).
What's the general reaction in Quebec to this news?
LB: I must say I was a little surprised that the reaction was so big, but at
the same time, this is probably - and very sadly - the biggest doping
scandal in the history of Quebec sports. The media coverage has been crazy.
(note: this is apparently the biggest doping scandal in cycling history in
Canada and likely the second-biggest doping scandal in Canadian sports after
the 1988 Seoul Olympic Games where sprinter Ben Johnson broke the world
record for the 100metre dash only to test positive for steroids).
What do you think needs to be done to stem or stop doping?
LB: We obviously need to learn from such experiences, as bad as they are.
One thing to keep in my mind is the importance of having certified coaches,
which was not the case with Aubut. The second thing is that young cyclists
should be coached by club coaches, or by organizations, that are well-known.
In the case of individual coaching at that (young) age, parents should be
asking and checking the references of all coaches. They should also question
a coach's motivation and finally be more involved and stay more alert to any
sign of sudden changes with the athlete.
Finally, no athlete should be isolated from the rest of the group-club at a
young age. What message does the FQSC have for cyclists thinking of doping?
LB: Obviously, we are very much against doping. We need to reemphasize as
much as possible our position on this. Campaigns, like the one we began in
2006 (Roulez Gagnants au Naturel) are a very good example of what can be
done. (click here for more info.) Finally, we need to promote examples of
our athletes who are successful and are drug-free. This illustrates that it
is possible to reach the top without having to use drugs and therefore
cheating and risking one's health.
------------------------------------------------------------
Anne Samplonius on Geneviève Jeanson's Admission of Doping
by Anne Samplonius September 24, 2007 (Stuttgart, Germany) -
Overall I am happy that Geneviève Jeanson has finally been able to begin to
come to terms with everything, with herself, to admit what she did was
wrong, very wrong. I understand to some degree what influence and control
both her father and (Andre) Aubut had over her, and realize that for the
most part, she was a victim. I knew this all along, and my disgust over the
entire situation was always more against those in control of GJ, which were
Aubut and her father. I think it will take years before she fully comes to
realize the impact this has had on a lot of people. She has stolen victories
and money from a lot of her competitors, she has taken an potential Olympic
spot from me, and she has lied to all of her fans and sponsors who really
believed her. Sure she is apologizing now, but how do you replace a memory
for an athlete?
Look at Trixi Worrack who could have won the Junior Road World
Championships. They can strip Jeanson of those medals but she stole the
moment of winning from Trixi. As an athlete to win, to experience that
thrill on the day, that can never be replaced. Those are memories that you
cannot get back and those are the intangible things that she has stolen from
a lot of people that can never be replaced. So a part of me says I should be
angry at Geneviève Jeanson but I think there needs to be a lot more
questions asked before we can fully blame the athlete in this case. I think
the real issues here are the abuse of authority. If it is true that she was
taking EPO since she was 16 years old... that really shocks me!
What races at the age of 16 was she doing that she needed to take EPO? In
Quebec? I mean, come on! A 16-year-old girl riding in local Quebec races
taking EPO? That is scary. There is no way that a 16-year-old would even
know about EPO or know how to administer it at that age without outside
help, and certainly not for racing at that level. Someone was responsible,
and if Andre Aubut was the one, there has to be some questions asked here...
is there not a law that protects an underage athlete in this case? For me I
have real concerns about that. An apology and admission of guilt is a start.
I hope that she will do more. Maybe she can be a spokesperson, an example
for other young women and girls, so that these kind of situations can be
avoided in the future. One day I hope she fully understands the scope of
what she has done and what was done to her so that she can become an
advocate against doping and abusive coaches or parents. She has the
opportunity now to become part of the solution, part of the fight against
doping and abuse of authority. She needs to make her voice heard, stronger
than when she was wrongly winning all those races. I think this is more then
just another doping case in cycling and I hope that others can see that too.
Anne Samplonius is currently in Stuttgart, Germany preparing to compete at
the 2007 Road World Championships and sent us these comments regarding
Geneviève Jeanson's recent admission of doping.
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 15:19:14
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 4:31 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 27, 9:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > > more like they hate her.
>
> > > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> > they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> > sideshow.
> > It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> > but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> > to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> > ahead of Burton.
> > Bill C
>
> Leontien van Moorsel had better competition than Burton. Recall that
> Leontien won worlds the last time they were in Stuttgart, so had a
> pretty long career as well.
>
> -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think Burton was more versatile, and this site makes the point that
women's races were actually too easy for her style and strength:
http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/riders/berylburton.html
But you can make a solid case for Leontien too.
It's just too bad that Jeanson had those kind of performances that
were fueled by drugs. She's someone I have a lot of sympathy for due
to the totally screwed up situation she was placed into. Kinda like
that Mormon girl who's now getting her story out and some of the scum
charged and convicted. I wish that was Aubut's future, but not in
Canada, and if it was prosecuted he'd get, maybe, a hundred hours
community service.
Quite a few of Jeanson's wins came at the expense of Lyne Bessette
who I really like, especially as a person.
BIll C
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 21:38:03
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 10:58 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Sep 27, 11:01 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 27, 6:12 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > Lucky for you that you don't read L'Equipe. Their headline yesterday
> > > > was: "First goal botched" referring to Longohttp://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/index.html
>
> > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > more like they hate her.
>
> Yes. But also Katarina Witt was/is hot, and hotties sell
> newspapers. Jeannie Longo, although she is the object
> of Magilla's unrequited crush, is not as hot as Witt, thus
> L'Equipe has less reason to list her.
> It ain't fair, but that's sports.
>
> Ben
>
> P.S. So which male cyclists did they list?
According to Wayne's World, Katarina WItt lost all her appeal with the
fall of Communism, that is, no longer being "The Forbidden Fruit." She
therefore made their Top 10 Reasons why the fall of communism was bad.
-ilan
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 20:58:33
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 11:01 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sep 27, 6:12 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Lucky for you that you don't read L'Equipe. Their headline yesterday
> > > was: "First goal botched" referring to Longo http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/index.html
>
>
> Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> more like they hate her.
Yes. But also Katarina Witt was/is hot, and hotties sell
newspapers. Jeannie Longo, although she is the object
of Magilla's unrequited crush, is not as hot as Witt, thus
L'Equipe has less reason to list her.
It ain't fair, but that's sports.
Ben
P.S. So which male cyclists did they list?
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 20:31:49
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 9:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > more like they hate her.
>
> > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> sideshow.
> It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> ahead of Burton.
> Bill C
Leontien van Moorsel had better competition than Burton. Recall that
Leontien won worlds the last time they were in Stuttgart, so had a
pretty long career as well.
-ilan
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 12:51:43
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> more like they hate her.
>
> -ilan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
sideshow.
It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
ahead of Burton.
Bill C
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 16:51:44
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1190922703.994096.305890@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 27, 2:01 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> > the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> > more like they hate her.
> >
> > -ilan- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The only possible reason, other than they just hate here, would be
> they don't consider women cycling to be anything other than a
> sideshow.
> It's pretty damned easy to make the case for Edddy as the best ever,
> but on the women's side, after Longo and Beryl Burton it's a long way
> to the next best, and I think I've changed my mind and would put Longo
> ahead of Burton.
> Bill C
Yvonne Reynders won 12 medals at the woman's world championships including 4
gold medals and 2 silver medals in the road race. In the pursuit she won 3
gold medals and 3 silver medals. Ten years later, Yvonne won the nationals
and took 3rd in the World Championships.
Yvonne Reynders of Belgium..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIaoM_4wxD0&mode=related&search=
GBMT
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 18:01:34
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 1:50 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 27, 6:12 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lucky for you that you don't read L'Equipe. Their headline yesterday
> > was: "First goal botched" referring to Longohttp://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/index.html
>
> > -ilan
>
> Thanks. I haven't tried reading anything other than english in a
> while, except Radsport news last night.
> I can see how she said, innocently enough, that she was looking to
> win 2 medals, but that definitely left her open for any shots they
> take. Just the idea that, at her age, she could reasonably expect to
> do that is amazing.
> Bill C
Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
more like they hate her.
-ilan
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 18:55:49
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 27, 1:50 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Sep 27, 6:12 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Lucky for you that you don't read L'Equipe. Their headline yesterday
>>> was: "First goal botched" referring to Longohttp://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/index.html
>>> -ilan
>> Thanks. I haven't tried reading anything other than english in a
>> while, except Radsport news last night.
>> I can see how she said, innocently enough, that she was looking to
>> win 2 medals, but that definitely left her open for any shots they
>> take. Just the idea that, at her age, she could reasonably expect to
>> do that is amazing.
>> Bill C
>
> Given that she wasn't listed in the Equipe to 100 sports figures of
> the 20th century (Katarina Witt was in there) I would say that it's
> more like they hate her.
>
> -ilan
>
It's all showbiz. No one has ever accused her of being warm and fuzzy.
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 04:50:01
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 6:12 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Lucky for you that you don't read L'Equipe. Their headline yesterday
> was: "First goal botched" referring to Longohttp://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/index.html
>
> -ilan
Thanks. I haven't tried reading anything other than english in a
while, except Radsport news last night.
I can see how she said, innocently enough, that she was looking to
win 2 medals, but that definitely left her open for any shots they
take. Just the idea that, at her age, she could reasonably expect to
do that is amazing.
Bill C
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 10:17:18
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 4:31 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
>
> > Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
> > vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
> > either.
> > Bill C
>
> People hated Longo because they were insecure and jealous and for nno
> other legitimate reason. There was no other explanation for it -
> especially when you listen to their idiotic statements. They did an
> interview with Rebecca Twigg in the 1992 Olympics and she stated "we
> don't care who wins so long as it's not Longo."
>
> Then Twigg imploded in the '96 Atlanta Games and nobody ever heard of
> her again. What a pussy.
>
> Magilla
But au contraire, I was there when she competed at 1997 Collegiate
Track Nationals. It was quite amusing as she was the center of media
attention and she gave an interview saying how great it was to be in
this more laid back event and really get to know all her competitors.
In fact, she spent all her time by herself and the only time she ever
talked to us was to ask to borrow a 24" front wheel (so she could beat
our person in the pursuit) which we gave her.
-ilan
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 10:12:08
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 27, 4:21 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
>
> Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
> vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
> either.
> Bill C
Lucky for you that you don't read L'Equipe. Their headline yesterday
was: "First goal botched" referring to Longo http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/index.html
-ilan
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 19:21:19
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
either.
Bill C
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 22:29:53
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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Bill C wrote:
> On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
>
>
> Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
> vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
> either.
> Bill C
>
People hated Longo because they were insecure and jealous and for nno
other legitimate reason. There was no other explanation for it -
especially when you listen to their idiotic statements. They did an
interview with Rebecca Twigg in the 1992 Olympics and she stated "we
don't care who wins so long as it's not Longo."
Then Twigg imploded in the '96 Atlanta Games and nobody ever heard of
her again. What a pussy.
Magilla
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 22:31:27
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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Bill C wrote:
> On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
>
>
> Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
> vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
> either.
> Bill C
>
People hated Longo because they were insecure and jealous and for nno
other legitimate reason. There was no other explanation for it -
especially when you listen to their idiotic statements. They did an
interview with Rebecca Twigg in the 1992 Olympics and she stated "we
don't care who wins so long as it's not Longo."
Then Twigg imploded in the '96 Atlanta Games and nobody ever heard of
her again. What a pussy.
Magilla
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 22:31:40
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fdf4lv$d6f$1@aioe.org...
> Bill C wrote:
>
>> On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
>>
>>
>> Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
>> vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
>> either.
>> Bill C
>>
>
>
> People hated Longo because they were insecure and jealous and for nno
> other legitimate reason. There was no other explanation for it -
> especially when you listen to their idiotic statements. They did an
> interview with Rebecca Twigg in the 1992 Olympics and she stated "we don't
> care who wins so long as it's not Longo."
>
> Then Twigg imploded in the '96 Atlanta Games and nobody ever heard of her
> again. What a pussy.
>
> Magilla
Have you considered that she might want it that way?
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 23:38:20
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fdf4lv$d6f$1@aioe.org...
>
>> Bill C wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
>>> vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
>>> either.
>>> Bill C
>>>
>>
>>
>> People hated Longo because they were insecure and jealous and for nno
>> other legitimate reason. There was no other explanation for it -
>> especially when you listen to their idiotic statements. They did an
>> interview with Rebecca Twigg in the 1992 Olympics and she stated "we
>> don't care who wins so long as it's not Longo."
>>
>> Then Twigg imploded in the '96 Atlanta Games and nobody ever heard of
>> her again. What a pussy.
>>
>> Magilla
>
>
> Have you considered that she might want it that way?
What, you mean leave the Olympics in the middle of the Games and quit
the sport without getting a medal and ever answering to the cycling
community why she imploded? Is that how she represents the U.S.?
Twigg was from an era when there was little or no competition in women's
cycling. And then when the Olympics came in 1996, she found herself
outclassed. So she got mental and quit and then blamed it on Carmichael.
Magilla
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 23:43:12
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fdf8jd$lch$1@aioe.org...
>>> People hated Longo because they were insecure and jealous and for nno
>>> other legitimate reason. There was no other explanation for it -
>>> especially when you listen to their idiotic statements. They did an
>>> interview with Rebecca Twigg in the 1992 Olympics and she stated "we
>>> don't care who wins so long as it's not Longo."
>>>
>>> Then Twigg imploded in the '96 Atlanta Games and nobody ever heard of
>>> her again. What a pussy.
>>>
>>> Magilla
>>
>>
>> Have you considered that she might want it that way?
>
>
> What, you mean leave the Olympics in the middle of the Games and quit the
> sport without getting a medal and ever answering to the cycling community
> why she imploded? Is that how she represents the U.S.?
>
> Twigg was from an era when there was little or no competition in women's
> cycling. And then when the Olympics came in 1996, she found herself
> outclassed. So she got mental and quit and then blamed it on Carmichael.
>
> Magilla
No, I mean your " nobody ever heard of her again". The '96 mess was just
that, a mess. And it can be laid at her feet if you want to portray a
simple, neat package of a reply, but it's somewhat more complex than that.
As for the 'nobody ever heard of her again', Twigg was not one to dwell in
the spotlight. Given her pre '88 accolades, did you hear anything about her
until she resurfaced in 1992?
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 22:26:39
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Jeanie Longo....
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Bill C wrote:
> On Sep 26, 10:34 pm, "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Jeanie Longo is absolutely beastie!!!
>
> Nothing she does surprises me anymore. I haven't heard any of the
> vehement hatred she used to bring out in other people in quite a while
> either.
> Bill C
>
I remember hearing maybe 20 years back that she had run for some
political office--IIRC in Grenoble, on the ticket of some right-wing
party (I don't think it was Le Pen's National Front, but I might be
wrong). However, more recently I tried to google this questionable
memory and came up empty handed.
Steve
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