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Date: 24 Sep 2007 10:44:20
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Jeanne Golay
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What did Golay test positive for?
Any of you old timers know?
GBMT
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Pan American Games
August 14, 1991
Last year at this time, Jeanne Golay's dreams were shattered and her spirits
plummeted to the lowest point in her cycling career. After competing in the
United States national championship, Golay tested positive for drugs and was
given a six-month suspension. She came back in February, and this afternoon,
competing in the Pan American Games, Golay reached the highest ground yet in
her comeback by winning a gold medal in the individual road race. The
29-year-old Floridian completed the 63-kilometer course (39 miles) in 1 hour
31 minutes 21 seconds.
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 17:02:00
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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On Sep 25, 6:40 pm, Les Earnest <l...@cs.stanford.edu > wrote:
>
> Actually I kept the USCF records in my computer from 1977 to 1985 but
> was unable to interest any of the staff in maintaining them. Sometime
> around 1980 a Southern California rider who passed away bequeathed his
> cycling document collection to USCF and I managed to make copies of some
> of it. However that collection was stored in the basement at Colorado
> Springs and short time later a flood wiped it out.
>
> Meanwhile I have every issue of VeloNews that was ever published, which
> I keep in my basement and hope that the termites don't find them. I
> learned yesterday that the Stanford computer where I have stored many
> historical USCF documents is going down in a week or so, so I plan to
> export a lot of those files in a hurry. Unfortunately some of the file
> formats are no longer understood by modern software, so the details of
> history continue to slip away.
>
> -Les Earnest
That is just horrible on SO many levels. Some day I hope people
appreciate what you've done, and do it in thime to actually save
what's left permanently.
Some of us really do appreciate everything you've done, and continue
to do for us.
Thanks
Bill C
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 04:09:19
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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On Sep 25, 7:05 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> > If there's a particular technical issue I might be able to help with,
> > let me know,
>
> Dumbass -
>
> That's cool that you can do some of that stuff, but a big problem over
> the long run that's difficult to solve is the inherent long term
> instability of digital media.
>
> You got any solutions for it? I'm sure there are plenty of ideas out
> there, but as far as implementing them cost effectively . . .
>
Dumbass,
Paper tape's pretty stable, if you use mylar "paper" tape.
http://www.computer-history.info/Page4.dir/pages/PDP.1.dir/index.html
http://wps.com/projects/paper-tape/index.html
Ben
Oh Lord won't you buy me a PDP-10
Oh Lord won't you buy me a PDP-10
My friends all have Vaxes
and I must make amends
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 19:05:14
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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On Sep 25, 6:23 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <fdc2nr$a8...@news.Stanford.EDU>,
> Les Earnest <l...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> > > I talked with Peter Nye a while back from the cycling hall of fame. I joked
> > > that USAC might have a gold mine of info left over from USCF, which started
> > > in one office in New York I think before it moved to Colorado. But Peter
> > > joke, oh you think so! Peter once had access to USCF early days stats from
> > > races when he wrote his book. He said those years, 70's and 80's were often
> > > filed and recorded on little 3 by 5 score cards and filed away in shoe
> > > boxes, and not only incomplete, but very hard to look stuff up. He said in
> > > those days recording was very poor combined with getting results from races
> > > all over the USA. He said you might find yourself quite disappointed once
> > > you enter those archives, at least for those years. Velonews archives would
> > > be the premiere source, their news and race reports date back to the early
> > > 70's.
>
> > Actually I kept the USCF records in my computer from 1977 to 1985 but
> > was unable to interest any of the staff in maintaining them. Sometime
> > around 1980 a Southern California rider who passed away bequeathed his
> > cycling document collection to USCF and I managed to make copies of some
> > of it. However that collection was stored in the basement at Colorado
> > Springs and short time later a flood wiped it out.
>
> > Meanwhile I have every issue of VeloNews that was ever published, which
> > I keep in my basement and hope that the termites don't find them. I
> > learned yesterday that the Stanford computer where I have stored many
> > historical USCF documents is going down in a week or so, so I plan to
> > export a lot of those files in a hurry. Unfortunately some of the file
> > formats are no longer understood by modern software, so the details of
> > history continue to slip away.
>
> > -Les Earnest
>
> Les: what kind of file format problems are there? I mean, I'm not gonna
> lecture the creator of finger about file formats, but there is this
> thing called awk, and I have messed around with it.
>
> I have to assume these are some evil packed binary format that is now
> unreadable, or maybe they're in WordPerfect 1.0 or whatnot. It can be
> dealt with.
>
> If there's a particular technical issue I might be able to help with,
> let me know,
Dumbass -
That's cool that you can do some of that stuff, but a big problem over
the long run that's difficult to solve is the inherent long term
instability of digital media.
You got any solutions for it? I'm sure there are plenty of ideas out
there, but as far as implementing them cost effectively . . .
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 04:27:50
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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In article <1190772314.515384.29840@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com >,
Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 25, 6:23 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > In article <fdc2nr$a8...@news.Stanford.EDU>,
> > Les Earnest <l...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> > > > I talked with Peter Nye a while back from the cycling hall of fame. I
> > > > joked
> > > > that USAC might have a gold mine of info left over from USCF, which
> > > > started
> > > > in one office in New York I think before it moved to Colorado. But
> > > > Peter
> > > > joke, oh you think so! Peter once had access to USCF early days stats
> > > > from
> > > > races when he wrote his book. He said those years, 70's and 80's were
> > > > often
> > > > filed and recorded on little 3 by 5 score cards and filed away in shoe
> > > > boxes, and not only incomplete, but very hard to look stuff up. He said
> > > > in
> > > > those days recording was very poor combined with getting results from
> > > > races
> > > > all over the USA. He said you might find yourself quite disappointed
> > > > once
> > > > you enter those archives, at least for those years. Velonews archives
> > > > would
> > > > be the premiere source, their news and race reports date back to the
> > > > early
> > > > 70's.
> >
> > > Actually I kept the USCF records in my computer from 1977 to 1985 but
> > > was unable to interest any of the staff in maintaining them. Sometime
> > > around 1980 a Southern California rider who passed away bequeathed his
> > > cycling document collection to USCF and I managed to make copies of some
> > > of it. However that collection was stored in the basement at Colorado
> > > Springs and short time later a flood wiped it out.
> >
> > > Meanwhile I have every issue of VeloNews that was ever published, which
> > > I keep in my basement and hope that the termites don't find them. I
> > > learned yesterday that the Stanford computer where I have stored many
> > > historical USCF documents is going down in a week or so, so I plan to
> > > export a lot of those files in a hurry. Unfortunately some of the file
> > > formats are no longer understood by modern software, so the details of
> > > history continue to slip away.
> >
> > > -Les Earnest
> >
> > Les: what kind of file format problems are there? I mean, I'm not gonna
> > lecture the creator of finger about file formats, but there is this
> > thing called awk, and I have messed around with it.
> >
> > I have to assume these are some evil packed binary format that is now
> > unreadable, or maybe they're in WordPerfect 1.0 or whatnot. It can be
> > dealt with.
> >
> > If there's a particular technical issue I might be able to help with,
> > let me know,
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> That's cool that you can do some of that stuff, but a big problem over
> the long run that's difficult to solve is the inherent long term
> instability of digital media.
>
> You got any solutions for it? I'm sure there are plenty of ideas out
> there, but as far as implementing them cost effectively . . .
Kurgan, I've actually done some serious-amateur thinking about archival
data storage, and listened to serious, dedicated-their-career-to-it
librarians talk about digital data storage, and the short answer is that
regular backups, a good choice of data formats, and continually moving
the data to the next storage system (which for the forseeable future,
probably means hard drives for archival storage) are the tedious but
effective solution.
To give you a brief answer to your dumbass question, the best
cost-effective solution right now is probably to store the data as a
text file (PNG, TIFF or JPG seems a reasonable guess as a survivor
format for picture data; I'd put probably focus on lossiness reduction
for video; DV format?), and then arrange remote storage, either on a
hosted server or something similar. For Les' problem, I'd focus on
getting the archives into a readable format first, then, guessing that
there's no more than a few hundred megs of data, I'd ensure their
survival for a century or so by sending a copy to the ten most
interested dumbasses from this newsgroup, on the condition that they
save it on their hard drives, and then I'd mail a copy to my gmail
account, on the bet that they look like the most viable data storage
provider around, and then I'd upload a copy onto a publicly-readable
website, preferably hosted by a provider with a good reputation.
The only real cost would be the hosting fees,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 17:37:28
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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On Sep 25, 6:28 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com > wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1190716986.889310.100070@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 24, 7:44 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> > > What did Golay test positive for?
>
> > > Any of you old timers know?
>
> > > GBMT
>
> > > ----------------------------------------
>
> > > Pan American Games
> > > August 14, 1991
>
> > > Last year at this time, Jeanne Golay's dreams were shattered and her
> spirits
> > > plummeted to the lowest point in her cycling career. After competing in
> the
> > > United States national championship, Golay tested positive for drugs and
> was
> > > given a six-month suspension. She came back in February, and this
> afternoon,
> > > competing in the Pan American Games, Golay reached the highest ground
> yet in
> > > her comeback by winning a gold medal in the individual road race. The
> > > 29-year-old Floridian completed the 63-kilometer course (39 miles) in 1
> hour
> > > 31 minutes 21 seconds.
>
> > Here's an interesting question: Why was Katrin Tobin relegated from
> > her 3rd place in the 1987 Pan Am games?
>
> > -ilan
>
> The road race in the Pan Am games took place on August 9, 1987 at Columbus
> Indiana.
>
> 57km - 1h 37' 24"
> 1. Rebecca Twigg
> 2. Inga Thompson
> 3. Katrin Tobin
> 4. Sara Neil
>
> That's what I have, but the 80's stuff is really sketcy, at least what I
> have. I don't have any info, so I give up, tell us the answer. Tobin rode
> well that year always in the mix with Bunki Davis, Jeanne Golay and Inga
> Thompson, taking 2nd and 3rd in a great number of races, but never 1st that
> I can see.
>
> I talked with Peter Nye a while back from the cycling hall of fame. I joked
> that USAC might have a gold mine of info left over from USCF, which started
> in one office in New York I think before it moved to Colorado. But Peter
> joke, oh you think so! Peter once had access to USCF early days stats from
> races when he wrote his book. He said those years, 70's and 80's were often
> filed and recorded on little 3 by 5 score cards and filed away in shoe
> boxes, and not only incomplete, but very hard to look stuff up. He said in
> those days recording was very poor combined with getting results from races
> all over the USA. He said you might find yourself quite disappointed once
> you enter those archives, at least for those years. Velonews archives would
> be the premiere source, their news and race reports date back to the early
> 70's.
>
> GBMT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_at_the_1987_Pan_American_Games#Women.27s_Individual_Race_.28Road.2C_57_km.29
-ilan
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 11:13:31
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_at_the_1987_Pan_American_Games#Women.27s_Individual_Race_.28Road.2C_57_km.29
>
> -ilan
>
http://velonews.com/galleries/Brinton/image5.html ?
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 21:38:34
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
news:edcKi.710$yc5.28@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_at_the_1987_Pan_American_Games#Women.27s_Individual_Race_.28Road.2C_57_km.29
>>
>> -ilan
>>
>
> http://velonews.com/galleries/Brinton/image5.html ?
Not the same David Brinton.
http://www.ridingtowin.com/
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 15:22:59
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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On Sep 25, 4:40 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 25, 4:09 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > a rule disallowing medal sweeps by one nation
>
> > Dumbasses of the world, meet your master: the inventor of this rule.
>
> > --
> > E. Dronkert
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if it was the USA.
>
> -ilan
And wouldn't be surprised either if they applied it to their national
championships.
-ilan
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:40:23
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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On Sep 25, 4:09 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > a rule disallowing medal sweeps by one nation
>
> Dumbasses of the world, meet your master: the inventor of this rule.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the USA.
-ilan
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:04:22
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
On Sep 25, 12:43 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 24, 7:44 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What did Golay test positive for?
>
> > Any of you old timers know?
>
> > GBMT
>
> > ----------------------------------------
>
> > Pan American Games
> > August 14, 1991
>
> > Last year at this time, Jeanne Golay's dreams were shattered and her spirits
> > plummeted to the lowest point in her cycling career. After competing in the
> > United States national championship, Golay tested positive for drugs and was
> > given a six-month suspension. She came back in February, and this afternoon,
> > competing in the Pan American Games, Golay reached the highest ground yet in
> > her comeback by winning a gold medal in the individual road race. The
> > 29-year-old Floridian completed the 63-kilometer course (39 miles) in 1 hour
> > 31 minutes 21 seconds.
>
> Here's an interesting question: Why was Katrin Tobin relegated from
> her 3rd place in the 1987 Pan Am games?
>
> -ilan
Apparently, this is difficult to look up on the web. Anyway, there was
a rule disallowing medal sweeps by one nation (USA women finished
1-2-3) so they relegated her to 4th and another nation got the bronze
medal.
-ilan
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 09:33:56
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190729062.499329.272250@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 25, 12:43 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sep 24, 7:44 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > What did Golay test positive for?
> >
> > > Any of you old timers know?
> >
> > > GBMT
> >
> > > ----------------------------------------
> >
> > > Pan American Games
> > > August 14, 1991
> >
> > > Last year at this time, Jeanne Golay's dreams were shattered and her
spirits
> > > plummeted to the lowest point in her cycling career. After competing
in the
> > > United States national championship, Golay tested positive for drugs
and was
> > > given a six-month suspension. She came back in February, and this
afternoon,
> > > competing in the Pan American Games, Golay reached the highest ground
yet in
> > > her comeback by winning a gold medal in the individual road race. The
> > > 29-year-old Floridian completed the 63-kilometer course (39 miles) in
1 hour
> > > 31 minutes 21 seconds.
> >
> > Here's an interesting question: Why was Katrin Tobin relegated from
> > her 3rd place in the 1987 Pan Am games?
> >
> > -ilan
>
> Apparently, this is difficult to look up on the web. Anyway, there was
> a rule disallowing medal sweeps by one nation (USA women finished
> 1-2-3) so they relegated her to 4th and another nation got the bronze
> medal.
>
> -ilan
Ah, ok. She is still recorded as 3rd! Sara Neil is from Canada, for a minute
I was thinking another American took 4th!
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 12:54:01
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com > wrote in message
news:AMudndLUEbMNqmTbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@sti.net...
>
>> > Here's an interesting question: Why was Katrin Tobin relegated from
>> > her 3rd place in the 1987 Pan Am games?
>> >
>> > -ilan
>>
>> Apparently, this is difficult to look up on the web. Anyway, there was
>> a rule disallowing medal sweeps by one nation (USA women finished
>> 1-2-3) so they relegated her to 4th and another nation got the bronze
>> medal.
>>
>> -ilan
>
> Ah, ok. She is still recorded as 3rd! Sara Neil is from Canada, for a
> minute
> I was thinking another American took 4th!
>
Dude,
You should be focusing on Sara. Not to take anything away from Katrin, but
Sara was hotter.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 18:13:30
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:tXbKi.1381$sS6.1208@newsfe14.lga...
>
> You should be focusing on Sara. Not to take anything away from Katrin, but
> Sara was hotter.
Wait a minute - at the time she was racing so was Inga Thompson and Rebecca
Twigg both of whom would grow hair on an egg and make raw bread dough grow
erect.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 19:30:34
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:13fjci16snnoc0b@corp.supernews.com...
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:tXbKi.1381$sS6.1208@newsfe14.lga...
> >
> > You should be focusing on Sara. Not to take anything away from Katrin,
but
> > Sara was hotter.
>
> Wait a minute - at the time she was racing so was Inga Thompson and
Rebecca
> Twigg both of whom would grow hair on an egg and make raw bread dough grow
> erect.
Besides Twigg, its Golay that has the incredibly consistent remarkable
palmares. Inga's were good too.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 11:37:47
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:tXbKi.1381$sS6.1208@newsfe14.lga...
>
> "GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote in message
> news:AMudndLUEbMNqmTbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@sti.net...
> >
> >> > Here's an interesting question: Why was Katrin Tobin relegated from
> >> > her 3rd place in the 1987 Pan Am games?
> >> >
> >> > -ilan
> >>
> >> Apparently, this is difficult to look up on the web. Anyway, there was
> >> a rule disallowing medal sweeps by one nation (USA women finished
> >> 1-2-3) so they relegated her to 4th and another nation got the bronze
> >> medal.
> >>
> >> -ilan
> >
> > Ah, ok. She is still recorded as 3rd! Sara Neil is from Canada, for a
> > minute
> > I was thinking another American took 4th!
> >
>
> Dude,
>
> You should be focusing on Sara. Not to take anything away from Katrin, but
> Sara was hotter.
Memory lane...
http://www.procyclingwomen.com/Temp-3/
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 21:51:12
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com > wrote in message
news:pdmdnej49csIyWTbnZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@sti.net...
>>
>> You should be focusing on Sara. Not to take anything away from Katrin,
>> but
>> Sara was hotter.
>
> Memory lane...
> http://www.procyclingwomen.com/Temp-3/
Petra Grimberger http://www.procyclingwomen.com/Temp-3/Early-Years-32.jpg
was a hottie too, but definitely overshadowed by LvM.
I see you still are lacking pictures of Annette Neumann. Must be in an East
German archive somewhere.
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 10:14:37
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
Carl Sundquist wrote:
> I see you still are lacking pictures of Annette Neumann. Must be in an East
> German archive somewhere.
Ask Bruce. I'm sure he'd have enjoyed the dirtbags thread.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 23:35:15
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:5PjKi.102943$GO6.59022@newsfe21.lga...
>
> "GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote in message
> news:pdmdnej49csIyWTbnZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@sti.net...
> >>
> >> You should be focusing on Sara. Not to take anything away from Katrin,
> >> but
> >> Sara was hotter.
Kelly Ann Way from Canada was always in the fight.
http://www.procyclingwomen.com/Temp-5/Kelly-Ann-Way.jpg
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 20:44:37
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:5PjKi.102943$GO6.59022@newsfe21.lga...
>
> "GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com> wrote in message
> news:pdmdnej49csIyWTbnZ2dnUVZ_qelnZ2d@sti.net...
> >>
> >> You should be focusing on Sara. Not to take anything away from Katrin,
> >> but
> >> Sara was hotter.
> >
> > Memory lane...
> > http://www.procyclingwomen.com/Temp-3/
>
> Petra Grimberger http://www.procyclingwomen.com/Temp-3/Early-Years-32.jpg
> was a hottie too, but definitely overshadowed by LvM.
>
> I see you still are lacking pictures of Annette Neumann. Must be in an
East
> German archive somewhere.
I have seen her name about a million times in track palmares from late 80's,
early 90's, but I have never seen a photo. I got results, but no photos.
Maybe Cor Vos, he doesn't post a fraction for sell, of what he really has.
He's got photos of Sue Navaro I think, same time as Robert George from the
70's.
GBMT
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 21:25:51
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com > wrote in message
news:dKSdnffu2ogmSWTbnZ2dnUVZ_sejnZ2d@sti.net...
Sue Navaro
http://www.procyclingwomen.com/Temp-5/Novara.jpg
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 16:09:40
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
> a rule disallowing medal sweeps by one nation
Dumbasses of the world, meet your master: the inventor of this rule.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 10:43:06
From:
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
|
On Sep 24, 7:44 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com > wrote:
> What did Golay test positive for?
>
> Any of you old timers know?
>
> GBMT
>
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>
> Pan American Games
> August 14, 1991
>
> Last year at this time, Jeanne Golay's dreams were shattered and her spirits
> plummeted to the lowest point in her cycling career. After competing in the
> United States national championship, Golay tested positive for drugs and was
> given a six-month suspension. She came back in February, and this afternoon,
> competing in the Pan American Games, Golay reached the highest ground yet in
> her comeback by winning a gold medal in the individual road race. The
> 29-year-old Floridian completed the 63-kilometer course (39 miles) in 1 hour
> 31 minutes 21 seconds.
Here's an interesting question: Why was Katrin Tobin relegated from
her 3rd place in the 1987 Pan Am games?
-ilan
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 09:28:22
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190716986.889310.100070@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 24, 7:44 pm, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com> wrote:
> > What did Golay test positive for?
> >
> > Any of you old timers know?
> >
> > GBMT
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> >
> > Pan American Games
> > August 14, 1991
> >
> > Last year at this time, Jeanne Golay's dreams were shattered and her
spirits
> > plummeted to the lowest point in her cycling career. After competing in
the
> > United States national championship, Golay tested positive for drugs and
was
> > given a six-month suspension. She came back in February, and this
afternoon,
> > competing in the Pan American Games, Golay reached the highest ground
yet in
> > her comeback by winning a gold medal in the individual road race. The
> > 29-year-old Floridian completed the 63-kilometer course (39 miles) in 1
hour
> > 31 minutes 21 seconds.
>
> Here's an interesting question: Why was Katrin Tobin relegated from
> her 3rd place in the 1987 Pan Am games?
>
> -ilan
The road race in the Pan Am games took place on August 9, 1987 at Columbus
Indiana.
57km - 1h 37' 24"
1. Rebecca Twigg
2. Inga Thompson
3. Katrin Tobin
4. Sara Neil
That's what I have, but the 80's stuff is really sketcy, at least what I
have. I don't have any info, so I give up, tell us the answer. Tobin rode
well that year always in the mix with Bunki Davis, Jeanne Golay and Inga
Thompson, taking 2nd and 3rd in a great number of races, but never 1st that
I can see.
I talked with Peter Nye a while back from the cycling hall of fame. I joked
that USAC might have a gold mine of info left over from USCF, which started
in one office in New York I think before it moved to Colorado. But Peter
joke, oh you think so! Peter once had access to USCF early days stats from
races when he wrote his book. He said those years, 70's and 80's were often
filed and recorded on little 3 by 5 score cards and filed away in shoe
boxes, and not only incomplete, but very hard to look stuff up. He said in
those days recording was very poor combined with getting results from races
all over the USA. He said you might find yourself quite disappointed once
you enter those archives, at least for those years. Velonews archives would
be the premiere source, their news and race reports date back to the early
70's.
GBMT
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:40:34
From: Les Earnest
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> I talked with Peter Nye a while back from the cycling hall of fame. I joked
> that USAC might have a gold mine of info left over from USCF, which started
> in one office in New York I think before it moved to Colorado. But Peter
> joke, oh you think so! Peter once had access to USCF early days stats from
> races when he wrote his book. He said those years, 70's and 80's were often
> filed and recorded on little 3 by 5 score cards and filed away in shoe
> boxes, and not only incomplete, but very hard to look stuff up. He said in
> those days recording was very poor combined with getting results from races
> all over the USA. He said you might find yourself quite disappointed once
> you enter those archives, at least for those years. Velonews archives would
> be the premiere source, their news and race reports date back to the early
> 70's.
Actually I kept the USCF records in my computer from 1977 to 1985 but
was unable to interest any of the staff in maintaining them. Sometime
around 1980 a Southern California rider who passed away bequeathed his
cycling document collection to USCF and I managed to make copies of some
of it. However that collection was stored in the basement at Colorado
Springs and short time later a flood wiped it out.
Meanwhile I have every issue of VeloNews that was ever published, which
I keep in my basement and hope that the termites don't find them. I
learned yesterday that the Stanford computer where I have stored many
historical USCF documents is going down in a week or so, so I plan to
export a lot of those files in a hurry. Unfortunately some of the file
formats are no longer understood by modern software, so the details of
history continue to slip away.
-Les Earnest
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Date: 26 Sep 2007 01:23:29
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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In article <fdc2nr$a8h$1@news.Stanford.EDU >,
Les Earnest <les@cs.stanford.edu > wrote:
> GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> > I talked with Peter Nye a while back from the cycling hall of fame. I joked
> > that USAC might have a gold mine of info left over from USCF, which started
> > in one office in New York I think before it moved to Colorado. But Peter
> > joke, oh you think so! Peter once had access to USCF early days stats from
> > races when he wrote his book. He said those years, 70's and 80's were often
> > filed and recorded on little 3 by 5 score cards and filed away in shoe
> > boxes, and not only incomplete, but very hard to look stuff up. He said in
> > those days recording was very poor combined with getting results from races
> > all over the USA. He said you might find yourself quite disappointed once
> > you enter those archives, at least for those years. Velonews archives would
> > be the premiere source, their news and race reports date back to the early
> > 70's.
>
> Actually I kept the USCF records in my computer from 1977 to 1985 but
> was unable to interest any of the staff in maintaining them. Sometime
> around 1980 a Southern California rider who passed away bequeathed his
> cycling document collection to USCF and I managed to make copies of some
> of it. However that collection was stored in the basement at Colorado
> Springs and short time later a flood wiped it out.
>
> Meanwhile I have every issue of VeloNews that was ever published, which
> I keep in my basement and hope that the termites don't find them. I
> learned yesterday that the Stanford computer where I have stored many
> historical USCF documents is going down in a week or so, so I plan to
> export a lot of those files in a hurry. Unfortunately some of the file
> formats are no longer understood by modern software, so the details of
> history continue to slip away.
>
> -Les Earnest
Les: what kind of file format problems are there? I mean, I'm not gonna
lecture the creator of finger about file formats, but there is this
thing called awk, and I have messed around with it.
I have to assume these are some evil packed binary format that is now
unreadable, or maybe they're in WordPerfect 1.0 or whatnot. It can be
dealt with.
If there's a particular technical issue I might be able to help with,
let me know,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 16:16:28
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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Ryan Cousineau schreef:
> thing called awk, and I have messed around with it.
Hey nerd, how about
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/icons_screensavers/3dbeersoftheworldscreensaver.html
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 29 Sep 2007 23:36:52
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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In article <46fe5e3c$0$226$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl >,
Ewoud Dronkert <firstname@lastname.net.invalid > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau schreef:
> > thing called awk, and I have messed around with it.
>
> Hey nerd, how about
> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/icons_screensavers/3dbeersoftheworldscre
> ensaver.html
Aw yeah! Going on my work computer asap.
Celebrated the end of today's CX race with a sausage and a Leffe.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 16:52:24
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Jeanne Golay
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"Les Earnest" <les@cs.stanford.edu > wrote in message
news:fdc2nr$a8h$1@news.Stanford.EDU...
>
> Actually I kept the USCF records in my computer from 1977 to 1985 but
> was unable to interest any of the staff in maintaining them. Sometime
> around 1980 a Southern California rider who passed away bequeathed his
> cycling document collection to USCF and I managed to make copies of some
> of it. However that collection was stored in the basement at Colorado
> Springs and short time later a flood wiped it out.
>
> Meanwhile I have every issue of VeloNews that was ever published, which
> I keep in my basement and hope that the termites don't find them. I
> learned yesterday that the Stanford computer where I have stored many
> historical USCF documents is going down in a week or so, so I plan to
> export a lot of those files in a hurry. Unfortunately some of the file
> formats are no longer understood by modern software, so the details of
> history continue to slip away.
>
> -Les Earnest
That's an pretty wild story to say the least. But your Velonews archives
should hold nearly everything of interest. For the rest of the world, their
decades of UK Cycling Weekly, half a dozen other cycling mags from Italy,
France, Holland, etc. holds the results and articles of the rest of the
world. I know someone who has them as well as Velonews. He has a five room
apartment, and all five rooms and his basement are full of shelves of these
mags. He sleeps in one small room, and that room is starting to collect
cycling mags. However your 70-80's stuff is cool. This guy only started in
the 80's!
B-
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