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Date: 17 Jun 2007 10:44:25
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
Doper Cheat, OK
He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denies-doping-allegations-as-new-book-rais/
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Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 05:24:04
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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On Jun 18, 10:08 am, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The first letter under that story demonstrated just how insulated the
> fans really are "All sports are 100% doped today!"
>
> When you're overweight, in poor physical condition, incapable of ever
> being competitive in tittlywinks let alone a physical sport, (you know
> - like Kveck, Henry and most of those so vocal here) it's no surprise
> that you don't believe that hard work and physical gifts can make that
> much difference from the high school football team members they
> remember from so long ago.
It's tiddlywinks, Sparky, and it's a highly competitive international
sport with totally bodacious podium girls who put out.
R
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 11:38:49
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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Davey Crockett wrote:
> Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
> Doper Cheat, OK
>
> He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
>
> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denies-doping-allegations-as-new-book-rais/
>
Thanks, Davey. It can be ordered now:
http://www.amazon.com/Lance-Landis-Inside-American-Controversy/dp/034549962X/ref=sr_1_5/002-8602875-6378415?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182252941&sr=1-5
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 16:41:58
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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On Jun 19, 6:31 am, Brian Lafferty <blaffe...@nowhere.com > wrote:
> rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 3:11 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> >From the Amazon link:
>
> >> Also essential to this narrative is Floyd
> >> Landis [..] the first ever to face the threat
> >> of having his title revoked.
>
> > Ah! More evidence of Walsh's accuracy and attention to detail.
>
> For drug use, IIRC.
Even that might be accurate in the letter but not
the spirit since it excludes Delgado (although Delgado
had the good graces to test positive during the Tour,
so if they had penalized him they wouldn't have had
to revoke his title later).
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=940DEFDB1631F931A15754C0A96E948260
Interesting that back then the penalty for this doping
infraction was 10 minutes of race time, not two years
of calendar time. Like Chung is suggesting now.
Obviously the current regime of stiffer and stiffer
penalties has succeeded so well in deterring doping.
Ben
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 07:03:30
From:
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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On Jun 19, 3:31 pm, Brian Lafferty <blaffe...@nowhere.com > wrote:
> rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 3:11 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> >From the Amazon link:
>
> >> Also essential to this narrative is Floyd
> >> Landis [..] the first ever to face the threat
> >> of having his title revoked.
>
> > Ah! More evidence of Walsh's accuracy and attention to detail.
>
> For drug use, IIRC.
So what you're saying is, even you pay more attention to accuracy and
detail than Walsh?
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 15:24:08
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 19, 3:31 pm, Brian Lafferty <blaffe...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 19, 3:11 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>> >From the Amazon link:
>>>> Also essential to this narrative is Floyd
>>>> Landis [..] the first ever to face the threat
>>>> of having his title revoked.
>>> Ah! More evidence of Walsh's accuracy and attention to detail.
>> For drug use, IIRC.
>
> So what you're saying is, even you pay more attention to accuracy and
> detail than Walsh?
>
No. I'd guess that the blurb you read was probably written by a
publicity person for the publisher; not Walsh.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 07:08:40
From:
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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On Jun 17, 1:44 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
> Doper Cheat, OK
>
> He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
>
> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denie...
The first letter under that story demonstrated just how insulated the
fans really are "All sports are 100% doped today!"
When you're overweight, in poor physical condition, incapable of ever
being competitive in tittlywinks let alone a physical sport, (you know
- like Kveck, Henry and most of those so vocal here) it's no surprise
that you don't believe that hard work and physical gifts can make that
much difference from the high school football team members they
remember from so long ago.
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 17:31:28
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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cyclintom@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 17, 1:44 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
> wrote:
>> Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
>> Doper Cheat, OK
>>
>> He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
>>
>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denie...
>
> The first letter under that story demonstrated just how insulated the
> fans really are "All sports are 100% doped today!"
>
> When you're overweight, in poor physical condition, incapable of ever
> being competitive in tittlywinks let alone a physical sport, (you know
> - like Kveck, Henry and most of those so vocal here) it's no surprise
> that you don't believe that hard work and physical gifts can make that
> much difference from the high school football team members they
> remember from so long ago.
Let's look at the rest of what this person wrote:
1............
Armstrong takes the doper fraud cake, however---by hiding behind
innocent Cancer victims. Armstrong doped for eight years BEFORE his
Cancer---then another ten years after--to this very day. His sick
teammates were NOT as lucky. (Strock, Kaiter, Lechuga) They NEVER
recovered to win a bike race.
exogenous testosterone
Clomid
cow blood (Actovegin) for the periodic Tour blood transfusions
EPO
corticosteroids
hGH
IGF-1
insulin
amphetamines
vasodiliations
other drugs (Polypharmacy)
Besides flunking SEVEN (7) drug tests for EPO and corticosteroids and
admitting to insulin and Actovegin possession in 2000, his alumni
teammates have been busted and two confessed to doping.
Frankie Andreu (EPO)
Roid-Floyd Landis (testosterone)
Tyler Hamilton (blood transfsuions)
Roberto Heras (EPO overdose)
Manuel Beltran (EPO & corticosteroids)
Benoit Joachim (Deca Durabolin)
Pavel Padrnos (EPO, hGH, insulin, testosterone)
Michele Ferrari, MD (illegal pharmacy & fraud)
Stephen Swartz (EPO)
Lance Pharmstrong is as clean as Nike's Baroid Bonds, Jason Giambi,
Marion Jones, Justin gatlin, Tim Montgomery, kelli White.
LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denies-doping-allegations-as-new-book-rais/
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 01:16:19
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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"Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:QpUdi.13247$0j5.6807@trndny03...
> cyclintom@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jun 17, 1:44 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
>>> Doper Cheat, OK
>>>
>>> He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
>>>
>>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denie...
>>
>> The first letter under that story demonstrated just how insulated the
>> fans really are "All sports are 100% doped today!"
>>
>> When you're overweight, in poor physical condition, incapable of ever
>> being competitive in tittlywinks let alone a physical sport, (you know
>> - like Kveck, Henry and most of those so vocal here) it's no surprise
>> that you don't believe that hard work and physical gifts can make that
>> much difference from the high school football team members they
>> remember from so long ago.
>
> Let's look at the rest of what this person wrote:
>
> 1............
> Armstrong takes the doper fraud cake, however---by hiding behind innocent
> Cancer victims. Armstrong doped for eight years BEFORE his Cancer---then
> another ten years after--to this very day. His sick teammates were NOT as
> lucky. (Strock, Kaiter, Lechuga) They NEVER recovered to win a bike race.
>
> exogenous testosterone
> Clomid
> cow blood (Actovegin) for the periodic Tour blood transfusions
> EPO
> corticosteroids
> hGH
> IGF-1
> insulin
> amphetamines
> vasodiliations
> other drugs (Polypharmacy)
>
> Besides flunking SEVEN (7) drug tests for EPO and corticosteroids and
> admitting to insulin and Actovegin possession in 2000, his alumni
> teammates have been busted and two confessed to doping.
>
> Frankie Andreu (EPO)
> Roid-Floyd Landis (testosterone)
> Tyler Hamilton (blood transfsuions)
> Roberto Heras (EPO overdose)
> Manuel Beltran (EPO & corticosteroids)
> Benoit Joachim (Deca Durabolin)
> Pavel Padrnos (EPO, hGH, insulin, testosterone)
> Michele Ferrari, MD (illegal pharmacy & fraud)
> Stephen Swartz (EPO)
>
> Lance Pharmstrong is as clean as Nike's Baroid Bonds, Jason Giambi, Marion
> Jones, Justin gatlin, Tim Montgomery, kelli White.
>
> LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
>
> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denies-doping-allegations-as-new-book-rais/
I forwarded your posting to Dr. Ferrari. Maybe you forgot that he's been
cleared - that ought to make your posing very interesting to him.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 21:16:16
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:QpUdi.13247$0j5.6807@trndny03...
>> cyclintom@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 17, 1:44 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
>>>> Doper Cheat, OK
>>>>
>>>> He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
>>>>
>>>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denie...
>>> The first letter under that story demonstrated just how insulated the
>>> fans really are "All sports are 100% doped today!"
>>>
>>> When you're overweight, in poor physical condition, incapable of ever
>>> being competitive in tittlywinks let alone a physical sport, (you know
>>> - like Kveck, Henry and most of those so vocal here) it's no surprise
>>> that you don't believe that hard work and physical gifts can make that
>>> much difference from the high school football team members they
>>> remember from so long ago.
>> Let's look at the rest of what this person wrote:
>>
>> 1............
>> Armstrong takes the doper fraud cake, however---by hiding behind innocent
>> Cancer victims. Armstrong doped for eight years BEFORE his Cancer---then
>> another ten years after--to this very day. His sick teammates were NOT as
>> lucky. (Strock, Kaiter, Lechuga) They NEVER recovered to win a bike race.
>>
>> exogenous testosterone
>> Clomid
>> cow blood (Actovegin) for the periodic Tour blood transfusions
>> EPO
>> corticosteroids
>> hGH
>> IGF-1
>> insulin
>> amphetamines
>> vasodiliations
>> other drugs (Polypharmacy)
>>
>> Besides flunking SEVEN (7) drug tests for EPO and corticosteroids and
>> admitting to insulin and Actovegin possession in 2000, his alumni
>> teammates have been busted and two confessed to doping.
>>
>> Frankie Andreu (EPO)
>> Roid-Floyd Landis (testosterone)
>> Tyler Hamilton (blood transfsuions)
>> Roberto Heras (EPO overdose)
>> Manuel Beltran (EPO & corticosteroids)
>> Benoit Joachim (Deca Durabolin)
>> Pavel Padrnos (EPO, hGH, insulin, testosterone)
>> Michele Ferrari, MD (illegal pharmacy & fraud)
>> Stephen Swartz (EPO)
>>
>> Lance Pharmstrong is as clean as Nike's Baroid Bonds, Jason Giambi, Marion
>> Jones, Justin gatlin, Tim Montgomery, kelli White.
>>
>> LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
>>
>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denies-doping-allegations-as-new-book-rais/
>
> I forwarded your posting to Dr. Ferrari. Maybe you forgot that he's been
> cleared - that ought to make your posing very interesting to him.
>
>
Eunuch, you are so ignorant. His case was dismissed due to a statute of
limitations issue, not a substantive finding of not guilty.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 00:31:22
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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"Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:AOgei.7757$Fw5.7614@trndny02...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:QpUdi.13247$0j5.6807@trndny03...
>>> cyclintom@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jun 17, 1:44 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
>>>>> Doper Cheat, OK
>>>>>
>>>>> He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denie...
>>>> The first letter under that story demonstrated just how insulated the
>>>> fans really are "All sports are 100% doped today!"
>>>>
>>>> When you're overweight, in poor physical condition, incapable of ever
>>>> being competitive in tittlywinks let alone a physical sport, (you know
>>>> - like Kveck, Henry and most of those so vocal here) it's no surprise
>>>> that you don't believe that hard work and physical gifts can make that
>>>> much difference from the high school football team members they
>>>> remember from so long ago.
>>> Let's look at the rest of what this person wrote:
>>>
>>> 1............
>>> Armstrong takes the doper fraud cake, however---by hiding behind
>>> innocent Cancer victims. Armstrong doped for eight years BEFORE his
>>> Cancer---then another ten years after--to this very day. His sick
>>> teammates were NOT as lucky. (Strock, Kaiter, Lechuga) They NEVER
>>> recovered to win a bike race.
>>>
>>> exogenous testosterone
>>> Clomid
>>> cow blood (Actovegin) for the periodic Tour blood transfusions
>>> EPO
>>> corticosteroids
>>> hGH
>>> IGF-1
>>> insulin
>>> amphetamines
>>> vasodiliations
>>> other drugs (Polypharmacy)
>>>
>>> Besides flunking SEVEN (7) drug tests for EPO and corticosteroids and
>>> admitting to insulin and Actovegin possession in 2000, his alumni
>>> teammates have been busted and two confessed to doping.
>>>
>>> Frankie Andreu (EPO)
>>> Roid-Floyd Landis (testosterone)
>>> Tyler Hamilton (blood transfsuions)
>>> Roberto Heras (EPO overdose)
>>> Manuel Beltran (EPO & corticosteroids)
>>> Benoit Joachim (Deca Durabolin)
>>> Pavel Padrnos (EPO, hGH, insulin, testosterone)
>>> Michele Ferrari, MD (illegal pharmacy & fraud)
>>> Stephen Swartz (EPO)
>>>
>>> Lance Pharmstrong is as clean as Nike's Baroid Bonds, Jason Giambi,
>>> Marion Jones, Justin gatlin, Tim Montgomery, kelli White.
>>>
>>> LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
>>>
>>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denies-doping-allegations-as-new-book-rais/
>>
>> I forwarded your posting to Dr. Ferrari. Maybe you forgot that he's been
>> cleared - that ought to make your posing very interesting to him.
>>
>>
> Eunuch, you are so ignorant. His case was dismissed due to a statute of
> limitations issue, not a substantive finding of not guilty.
You know - the same guy working in the USA whose reputation you're
attacking? Hopefully he'll exercise his legal rights in your direction.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 13:39:34
From: Brian Lafferty
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:AOgei.7757$Fw5.7614@trndny02...
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> "Brian Lafferty" <blafferty@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:QpUdi.13247$0j5.6807@trndny03...
>>>> cyclintom@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 17, 1:44 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Now I don't want to hear any more about Lance being a Dirty Rotten
>>>>>> Doper Cheat, OK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's Clean as a Whistle ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denie...
>>>>> The first letter under that story demonstrated just how insulated the
>>>>> fans really are "All sports are 100% doped today!"
>>>>>
>>>>> When you're overweight, in poor physical condition, incapable of ever
>>>>> being competitive in tittlywinks let alone a physical sport, (you know
>>>>> - like Kveck, Henry and most of those so vocal here) it's no surprise
>>>>> that you don't believe that hard work and physical gifts can make that
>>>>> much difference from the high school football team members they
>>>>> remember from so long ago.
>>>> Let's look at the rest of what this person wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1............
>>>> Armstrong takes the doper fraud cake, however---by hiding behind
>>>> innocent Cancer victims. Armstrong doped for eight years BEFORE his
>>>> Cancer---then another ten years after--to this very day. His sick
>>>> teammates were NOT as lucky. (Strock, Kaiter, Lechuga) They NEVER
>>>> recovered to win a bike race.
>>>>
>>>> exogenous testosterone
>>>> Clomid
>>>> cow blood (Actovegin) for the periodic Tour blood transfusions
>>>> EPO
>>>> corticosteroids
>>>> hGH
>>>> IGF-1
>>>> insulin
>>>> amphetamines
>>>> vasodiliations
>>>> other drugs (Polypharmacy)
>>>>
>>>> Besides flunking SEVEN (7) drug tests for EPO and corticosteroids and
>>>> admitting to insulin and Actovegin possession in 2000, his alumni
>>>> teammates have been busted and two confessed to doping.
>>>>
>>>> Frankie Andreu (EPO)
>>>> Roid-Floyd Landis (testosterone)
>>>> Tyler Hamilton (blood transfsuions)
>>>> Roberto Heras (EPO overdose)
>>>> Manuel Beltran (EPO & corticosteroids)
>>>> Benoit Joachim (Deca Durabolin)
>>>> Pavel Padrnos (EPO, hGH, insulin, testosterone)
>>>> Michele Ferrari, MD (illegal pharmacy & fraud)
>>>> Stephen Swartz (EPO)
>>>>
>>>> Lance Pharmstrong is as clean as Nike's Baroid Bonds, Jason Giambi,
>>>> Marion Jones, Justin gatlin, Tim Montgomery, kelli White.
>>>>
>>>> LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
>>>>
>>>> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/16/lance-armstrong-again-denies-doping-allegations-as-new-book-rais/
>>> I forwarded your posting to Dr. Ferrari. Maybe you forgot that he's been
>>> cleared - that ought to make your posing very interesting to him.
>>>
>>>
>> Eunuch, you are so ignorant. His case was dismissed due to a statute of
>> limitations issue, not a substantive finding of not guilty.
>
> You know - the same guy working in the USA whose reputation you're
> attacking? Hopefully he'll exercise his legal rights in your direction.
>
>
Eunuch, you are such a putz.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 10:22:49
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: LIVE WRONG! Cheat to win. They all do.
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> I forwarded your posting to Dr. Ferrari. Maybe you forgot that he's been
> cleared - that ought to make your posing very interesting to him.
Maybe Lafferty will get a free years subscription to 55x11.com.
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