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Date: 28 Feb 2007 18:02:53
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
Breaking Away weren't actors.

Sigh.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Date: 05 Mar 2007 09:55:36
From:
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On 1, 8:31 am, WeaselPoopPower <wea...@poop.ca > wrote:
> Callistus Valerius wrote:
> > American Flyers was made by the same guy who did Breaking Away. He
> > committed suicide shortly after Flyers bombed.
>
> Died of a heart attack in 1996 eleven years after American Flyers.

>
> Steve Tesich raced in and his team won the Little 500 in 1965 so his
> experiences were more than just as a commuter. No idea if he raced
> beyond L5.
>

>
> Other than that the Calluses info was spot on...

Tesich held a Cat 3 license in Colorado and participated at the very
least in the City Park Criterium in 1984. He was seen smoking
cigarettes in street clothes not long before the race and then being
called up by the announcer to banter with the winner of the event
afterwards.

This race was also the only chance I ever got to see k Whitehead
put a city block on the best road sprinters in the area (with 7-11
absent.)

Date: 03 Mar 2007 16:09:51
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On 3, 1:42 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> dustoyev...@mac.com wrote:
> > Easy. Johnny Depp. Far more swash per buckle, just the thing for
> > playing the head of a crew of Merry-- some might say Gay-- Men!
>
> Maid ion was a transvestite ?

Beard. --D-y

Date: 02 Mar 2007 18:24:06
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On 2, 5:31 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:

> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime.

You can when he was an uncredited producer whose previous film was
Dances With Wolves.

You got a big ol' _man-crush_ on Costner, TK?

> And then consider -
> exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood anything like
> Errol Flynn?

Easy. Johnny Depp. Far more swash per buckle, just the thing for
playing the head of a crew of Merry-- some might say Gay-- Men!

Lifelong man-crush on Errol Flynn, TK?

<http://www.uic.edu/depts/quic/history/errol_flynn.html > --D-y

Date: 03 Mar 2007 21:42:44
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
> Easy. Johnny Depp. Far more swash per buckle, just the thing for
> playing the head of a crew of Merry-- some might say Gay-- Men!

Maid ion was a transvestite ?

Date: 02 Mar 2007 08:38:05
From: Keven
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On 1, 1:53 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:

>
> It is derigor for people to post here ......

You got some of the letter right in that one:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/de%20rigueur

Date: 01 Mar 2007 16:50:50
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On 1, 10:31 am, WeaselPoopPower <wea...@poop.ca > wrote:
> Callistus Valerius wrote:
> > American Flyers was made by the same guy who did Breaking Away. He
> > committed suicide shortly after Flyers bombed.
>
> Died of a heart attack in 1996 eleven years after American Flyers.
>
> > I was surprised to find out
> > that he loved cycling through his commuting experiences. You'd think he
> > would have been a racer, or an accomplished cyclist of some type, not just a
> > commuter.
>
> Steve Tesich raced in and his team won the Little 500 in 1965 so his
> experiences were more than just as a commuter. No idea if he raced
> beyond L5.
>
> Tesich's Little 500 teammate Dave Blase is reported to have rode
> something like 150 of 200 laps of the race and was the basis for the
> main Breaking Away character.
>
> Other than that the Calluses info was spot on...

http://whyfiles.org/086urban_critter/3.html

Raccoon dung is potentially deadly.
It doesn't mention Weasel poop, though.

Includes:
"This gray squirrel shows signs of the neurological disease caused by
the larvae of the raccoon roundworm."

Ah. Perhaps (brain) roundworms are to blame for squirrels committing
suicide by bike fork.

-bdbafh

Date: 01 Mar 2007 07:23:12
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On 1, 7:37 am, "excel_spo...@hotmail.com"
<excel_spo...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 28, 3:14 pm, Diablo Scott <DiabloScottNOS...@terra.es> wrote:
>
>
>
> > KC wrote:
> > > DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
> > >>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
> > >>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>
> > >>> Sigh.
>
> > >>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > >> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
> > >> it's not much of a surprise.
>
> > > In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
> > > NOR actors. ;^)
> > > (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>
> > > -KC
>
> > The extras in American Flyers were Colorado Cat 2 and 3 racers. I know
> > one of them and he has some good stories about how they selected the
> > riders, the making of the movie and the lead characters. (the guy who
> > played Sergei Belov smoked between takes)
>
> > The Team Cinzano were real racers in Breaking Away but the rest of the
> > guys in that race looked like hacks, and the Little 500 racers weren't
> > supposed to look like real racers.
>
> > So whatever Lance's point was, it'll be interesting to see how closely
> > the actor/racers in his movie look correct.
>
> Well one thing is clear, Lance definitely is no actor! Besides, do we
> give a shit if the other dudes were riders?

Sure he is....just look at any interview with the French press.....

Date: 01 Mar 2007 06:37:27
From: excel_sports@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Feb 28, 3:14 pm, Diablo Scott <DiabloScottNOS...@terra.es > wrote:
> KC wrote:
> > DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
> >>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
> >>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>
> >>> Sigh.
>
> >>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> >> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
> >> it's not much of a surprise.
>
> > In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
> > NOR actors. ;^)
> > (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>
> > -KC
>
> The extras in American Flyers were Colorado Cat 2 and 3 racers. I know
> one of them and he has some good stories about how they selected the
> riders, the making of the movie and the lead characters. (the guy who
> played Sergei Belov smoked between takes)
>
> The Team Cinzano were real racers in Breaking Away but the rest of the
> guys in that race looked like hacks, and the Little 500 racers weren't
> supposed to look like real racers.
>
> So whatever Lance's point was, it'll be interesting to see how closely
> the actor/racers in his movie look correct.

Well one thing is clear, Lance definitely is no actor! Besides, do we
give a shit if the other dudes were riders?

Date: 01 Mar 2007 05:37:43
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On 1, 5:58 am, skiffrun <skiffrun.2mr...@no-
mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au > wrote:
> Diablo Scott;181929 Wrote:
>
>
>
> > KC wrote:
> > > DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and
> > in
> > >>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing
> > scenes in
> > >>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>
> > >>> Sigh.
>
> > >>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > >> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
> > >> it's not much of a surprise.
>
> > > In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither
> > cyclists,
> > > NOR actors. ;^)
> > > (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>
> > > -KC
>
> > The extras in American Flyers were Colorado Cat 2 and 3 racers. I know
>
> > one of them and he has some good stories about how they selected the
> > riders, the making of the movie and the lead characters. (the guy who
>
> > played Sergei Belov smoked between takes)
>
> > The Team Cinzano were real racers in Breaking Away but the rest of the
>
> > guys in that race looked like hacks, and the Little 500 racers weren't
>
> > supposed to look like real racers.
>
> > So whatever Lance's point was, it'll be interesting to see how closely
>
> > the actor/racers in his movie look correct.
>
> "Breaking Away" was not a movie about cycling, anyway. It was about
> growing up. But it was a great movie including the racing scenes for
> same reason people rose and cheered when "Rocky" first came on the
> scene: it made you feel good and you wanted to cheer for the "good
> guy(s)".
>
> I've never seen "American Flyers", but the promo scenes of Costner in
> the peleton

PelOton, please, even if I''m not a fan of things 'French'.

were laughable even before I paid any attention to cycling.
> Combined w/ - IMO - Costner can't act, I have no interest in seeing
> "AF".
>
> Armstrong thinking it is important to get "real" cyclist to be in his
> cycling movie reminds me of Costner promoting the "Water World" fiasco
> my pointing out that the sheath for his knife was made of shark skin,
> etc., etc., etc.. It is the story and the telling of the story that is
> important - not the cycling scenes -per se-.
>
> --
> skiffrun
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Date: 01 Mar 2007 05:35:37
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Date: 01 Mar 2007 14:40:36
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in message
news:1172756137.828303.207220@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
> Some were, we have a customer that was the 'Russians' double. He was a
> local pro, Emanual Alongi.

Didn't that Russian guy win an Oscar for "Most Incorrect Accent Ever"?

Date: 01 Mar 2007 23:06:11
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
> news:1172756137.828303.207220@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>> Some were, we have a customer that was the 'Russians' double. He was a
>> local pro, Emanual Alongi.
>
> Didn't that Russian guy win an Oscar for "Most Incorrect Accent Ever"?

That would be quite the accomplishment, consider the competition! Pretty
much every German in every WW II flick ever made, for starters...

Date: 02 Mar 2007 10:54:29
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
>> news:1172756137.828303.207220@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>>> Some were, we have a customer that was the 'Russians' double. He was a
>>> local pro, Emanual Alongi.
>>
>> Didn't that Russian guy win an Oscar for "Most Incorrect Accent Ever"?
>
> That would be quite the accomplishment, consider the competition! Pretty
> much every German in every WW II flick ever made, for starters...

Well to keep it all in the family of American Flyers, I'd say Costner
himself qualifies for his performance in Robin Hood. :-b
-KC

Date: 02 Mar 2007 23:31:45
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

"KC" <kc_news@sonic.net > wrote in message
news:es9hbl$na2$1@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu...
> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1172756137.828303.207220@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Some were, we have a customer that was the 'Russians' double. He was a
>>>> local pro, Emanual Alongi.
>>>
>>> Didn't that Russian guy win an Oscar for "Most Incorrect Accent Ever"?
>>
>> That would be quite the accomplishment, consider the competition! Pretty
>> much every German in every WW II flick ever made, for starters...
>
> Well to keep it all in the family of American Flyers, I'd say Costner
> himself qualifies for his performance in Robin Hood. :-b

You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider -
exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood anything like
Errol Flynn?

Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:42:18
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Tom Kunich wrote:
> "KC" <kc_news@sonic.net> wrote in message
> news:es9hbl$na2$1@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu...
>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1172756137.828303.207220@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Some were, we have a customer that was the 'Russians' double. He was a
>>>>> local pro, Emanual Alongi.
>>>> Didn't that Russian guy win an Oscar for "Most Incorrect Accent Ever"?
>>> That would be quite the accomplishment, consider the competition! Pretty
>>> much every German in every WW II flick ever made, for starters...
>> Well to keep it all in the family of American Flyers, I'd say Costner
>> himself qualifies for his performance in Robin Hood. :-b
>
> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider -
> exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood anything like
> Errol Flynn?
>
>

Actually, except for his inability to come across as anything but
middle-American, I think Costner made a good Robin Hood. Robin Hood was
supposed to be a "Joe average" kind of guy on the outside with skills
and courage of a hero. Costner does that well. If he could have come
across as a middle-ages English peasant, he'd have been perfect. The
accent was the biggest fault in that regard, IMO.

-KC

Date: 05 Mar 2007 14:11:16
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Mon, 05 2007 13:42:18 -0500, KC <kc_news@sonic.net > wrote:

> If he could have come
>across as a middle-ages English peasant, he'd have been perfect.

Yoeman, not peasant, until 'promoted' late in his storied career to
minor nobility.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Date: 05 Mar 2007 14:16:40
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 05 2007 13:42:18 -0500, KC <kc_news@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> If he could have come
>> across as a middle-ages English peasant, he'd have been perfect.
>
> Yoeman, not peasant, until 'promoted' late in his storied career to
> minor nobility.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Yeoman, yes, but I always thought it was the military rank, not the
land-owning farmer type. He became a Yeoman after serving in the
Crusades, as I recall it. (it's been a while since I read any Robin
Hood stuff.) Of course it's all based on oral-history legend, so
nothing is wrong, and nothing is right. Depends on the story-teller! :)
-KC

Date: 05 Mar 2007 15:31:33
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Mon, 05 2007 14:16:40 -0500, KC <kc_news@sonic.net > wrote:

>Yeoman, yes, but I always thought it was the military rank, not the
>land-owning farmer type. He became a Yeoman after serving in the
>Crusades, as I recall it. (it's been a while since I read any Robin
>Hood stuff.)

He was identified as yeoman before any stories of him going off to the
Crusades.

He didn't get nice and noble (characterwise) until centuries into his
career...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Date: 03 Mar 2007 19:07:03
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Tom Kunich wrote:

> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider -
> exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood anything like
> Errol Flynn?

Johnny Depp

Date: 03 Mar 2007 19:20:12
From: Nev Shea
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > wrote in
news:54tv97F22a4u2U1@mid.individual.net:

> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider
>> - exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood
>> anything like Errol Flynn?
>
> Johnny Depp

I'd like to see it done with Wesley Snipes -- he'd put the hood in Robin
Hood!

Date: 04 Mar 2007 21:57:00
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

In article
<MTjGh.8509$tD2.4528@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
Nev Shea <spamtrap@garbage.net > wrote:

> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> news:54tv97F22a4u2U1@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> >> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider
> >> - exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood
> >> anything like Errol Flynn?
> >
> > Johnny Depp
>
>
> I'd like to see it done with Wesley Snipes -- he'd put the hood in Robin
> Hood!

Wesley Snipes is all anger. Grimace, scowl, grimace.

It takes someone from the British Isles to play
Robin�Hood. Not that he could be cast, but did anyone
see Anthony Hopkins in The_Mask_of_Zorro [1998]? When
he was in a scene he owned it; made Antonio Banderas
look puny. The rest of the movie is no better than it
should be.

--
Michael Press

Date: 08 Mar 2007 18:36:51
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

In article
<rubrum-599BF9.13570104032007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.
com >,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:

> In article
> <MTjGh.8509$tD2.4528@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Nev Shea <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote:
>
> > Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> > news:54tv97F22a4u2U1@mid.individual.net:
> >
> > > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >
> > >> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider
> > >> - exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood
> > >> anything like Errol Flynn?
> > >
> > > Johnny Depp
> >
> >
> > I'd like to see it done with Wesley Snipes -- he'd put the hood in Robin
> > Hood!
>
> Wesley Snipes is all anger. Grimace, scowl, grimace.
>
> It takes someone from the British Isles to play
> Robin�Hood. Not that he could be cast, but did anyone
> see Anthony Hopkins in The_Mask_of_Zorro [1998]? When
> he was in a scene he owned it; made Antonio Banderas
> look puny. The rest of the movie is no better than it
> should be.

You, in the back? Yes, as a matter of fact, Tasmania is
one of the British Isles.

--
Michael Press

Date: 05 Mar 2007 13:53:15
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <MTjGh.8509$tD2.4528@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Nev Shea <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote:
>
>> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:54tv97F22a4u2U1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider
>>>> - exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood
>>>> anything like Errol Flynn?
>>> Johnny Depp
>>
>> I'd like to see it done with Wesley Snipes -- he'd put the hood in Robin
>> Hood!
>
> Wesley Snipes is all anger. Grimace, scowl, grimace.
>
> It takes someone from the British Isles to play
> Robin Hood. Not that he could be cast, but did anyone
> see Anthony Hopkins in The_Mask_of_Zorro [1998]? When
> he was in a scene he owned it; made Antonio Banderas
> look puny. The rest of the movie is no better than it
> should be.
>

IMO, and I'm a lapsed/former big fan of Robin Hood texts and films, Sean
Connery was the best Robin Hood I ever saw on film ("Robin and ian"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075147/ one of the best Robin Hood films
ever made, IMHO). Errol Flynn was too high-class. Robin was a peasant.
Anthony Hopkins might come across as too high-class, also. In Zorro,
he was *supposed* to be aristocracy, so it worked. He's a great actor
though, so he might have been able to pull it off.

BTW, the fox in Disney's "Robin Hood" is #2 to Connery! ;^)

-KC

Date: 05 Mar 2007 12:12:55
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

In article <eshous$ll7$1@prometheus.acsu.buffalo.edu >,
KC <kc_news@sonic.net > wrote:

> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <MTjGh.8509$tD2.4528@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> > Nev Shea <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> >> news:54tv97F22a4u2U1@mid.individual.net:
> >>
> >>> Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider
> >>>> - exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood
> >>>> anything like Errol Flynn?
> >>> Johnny Depp
> >>
> >> I'd like to see it done with Wesley Snipes -- he'd put the hood in Robin
> >> Hood!
> >
> > Wesley Snipes is all anger. Grimace, scowl, grimace.
> >
> > It takes someone from the British Isles to play
> > Robin Hood. Not that he could be cast, but did anyone
> > see Anthony Hopkins in The_Mask_of_Zorro [1998]? When
> > he was in a scene he owned it; made Antonio Banderas
> > look puny. The rest of the movie is no better than it
> > should be.
>
> IMO, and I'm a lapsed/former big fan of Robin Hood texts and films, Sean
> Connery was the best Robin Hood I ever saw on film ("Robin and ian"
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075147/ one of the best Robin Hood films
> ever made, IMHO). Errol Flynn was too high-class. Robin was a peasant.
> Anthony Hopkins might come across as too high-class, also. In Zorro,
> he was *supposed* to be aristocracy, so it worked. He's a great actor
> though, so he might have been able to pull it off.
>
> BTW, the fox in Disney's "Robin Hood" is #2 to Connery! ;^)

Thanks. I will watch both, not having seen them.
Speaking of CONNERY, did you see _A_Fine_Madness_
[1966]? Recommended.

--
Michael Press

Date: 05 Mar 2007 12:21:27
From: skiffrun
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

KC;183220 Wrote:
>
>
> IMO, and I'm a lapsed/former big fan of Robin Hood texts and films,
> Sean
> Connery was the best Robin Hood I ever saw on film ("Robin and ian"
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075147/ one of the best Robin Hood films
> ever made, IMHO). Errol Flynn was too high-class. Robin was a
> peasant.
> Anthony Hopkins might come across as too high-class, also. In Zorro,
>
> he was *supposed* to be aristocracy, so it worked.
>
> BTW, the fox in Disney's "Robin Hood" is #2 to Connery! ;^)
>
> -KC

The mythology is that Robin Hood was Saxon aristocracy.

The ruling class (Sheriff, Prince John, King Richard) were Normans.

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Date: 05 Mar 2007 15:29:27
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Mon, 5 2007 12:21:27 -0700, skiffrun
<skiffrun.2mzm01@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au > wrote:

>The mythology is that Robin Hood was Saxon aristocracy.
>
>The ruling class (Sheriff, Prince John, King Richard) were Normans.

A pet area of mine, although I'm not exactly a scholar. Mostly I
studied this because I follow the Greenman mythology and some
overzealous people equate Robin Hood with the Horned Stag which is
often partially equated with Greenman mythology.

There is almost no mythological basis for Robin Hood. The Greenman to
Robin Hood connection was almost entirely due to a much later time
than original Robin Hood stories and had to do with the harvest
festivals, where the Greenman is equated to the Harvest King and Robin
Hood was a character often used in costume. Later, when Robin Hood was
at his popular heights, that Robin Hood character was often used as
the Harvest King in some localities. Turned out to be bogus to begin
with and wrongly interpreted. Oh, well.

Robin Hood is partially real, in that the name does show up in various
forms, not to mention the real people also assigned to him later and
largely beyond that, in one form of ballad or another. This is not the
same as mythology - it is almost all story telling of the ballad type,
if not a ballad. Interestingly the two or three 'real people' backed
into the connection - a Robin Hood was a common term for a thief,
especially with a band, and if someone approached that form, he was a
Robin Hood. Later they became, one or another, THE Robin Hood. The
term can be shown to predate all of them.

The ruling class etc. stuff was later than that, very late, and was
the tail end of the whole story development. The Errol Flynn version
barely arrived before the turn of that century.

He was in the original mentions either pure outlaw, pretty much
killing for a living, or a dispossessed yeoman, armed with weapons and
skill beyond that of a peasant. He turned into a story device, became
off-and-on a popular story figure at the center of the story, was
gradually made nicer and eventually got promoted to nobility, just to
lead the Saxons against the Normans (Ivanhoe probably first and this
was an overrated vicious racist book anyway), where he eventually
became Errol Flynn or something like that...

And the Costner film was hilarious, but fun IMO, with the highpoint
coming at Alan Rickman's screamed, "You TWIT!"

And the fight between Connery and Robert Shaw really looked authentic
in Robin and ian, although I've never actually witnessed a real
fight between two guys with sword and buckler.

And I misspelled yeoman earlier BTW. Sorry. Inexcusable.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

And if they want to remove a 'classic' from the list, I'm good with
removing Ivanhoe... And its boring - the movie was mediocre and better
than the book.

I really don't like Ivanhoe.

Date: 05 Mar 2007 19:37:15
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

skiffrun wrote:

> The mythology is that Robin Hood was Saxon aristocracy.
>
> The ruling class (Sheriff, Prince John, King Richard) were Normans.
>
>

Yes the baddies spoke French
;-))

Date: 05 Mar 2007 20:56:47
From: Nev Shea
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > wrote in
news:5539pvF23706dU1@mid.individual.net:

> skiffrun wrote:
>
>> The mythology is that Robin Hood was Saxon aristocracy.
>>
>> The ruling class (Sheriff, Prince John, King Richard) were Normans.
>>
>>
>
> Yes the baddies spoke French
> ;-))

I still remember the Sheriff yelling at Robin:

"I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your
father smelt of elderberries."

NS
Norman historian

Date: 06 Mar 2007 11:45:51
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Nev Shea wrote:
> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> news:5539pvF23706dU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> skiffrun wrote:
>>
>>> The mythology is that Robin Hood was Saxon aristocracy.
>>>
>>> The ruling class (Sheriff, Prince John, King Richard) were Normans.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes the baddies spoke French
>> ;-))
>
> I still remember the Sheriff yelling at Robin:
>
> "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your
> father smelt of elderberries."
>
> NS
> Norman historian

I think you've confused some films. That was not the Sheriff and Robin,
it was from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".

Or have I totally missed your stab at subtle humor? :-)

-KC

Date: 06 Mar 2007 21:39:44
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Tue, 06 2007 11:45:51 -0500, KC <kc_news@sonic.net > wrote:

>Nev Shea wrote:
>> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:5539pvF23706dU1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> skiffrun wrote:
>>>
>>>> The mythology is that Robin Hood was Saxon aristocracy.
>>>>
>>>> The ruling class (Sheriff, Prince John, King Richard) were Normans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes the baddies spoke French
>>> ;-))
>>
>> I still remember the Sheriff yelling at Robin:
>>
>> "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your
>> father smelt of elderberries."
>>
>> NS
>> Norman historian
>
>I think you've confused some films. That was not the Sheriff and Robin,
>it was from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".
>
>Or have I totally missed your stab at subtle humor? :-)

"Well, this Robin Hood speaks with an ENGLISH accent!"

Ron

Date: 06 Mar 2007 20:35:56
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

KC wrote:
> Nev Shea wrote:
>> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:5539pvF23706dU1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> skiffrun wrote:
>>>
>>>> The mythology is that Robin Hood was Saxon aristocracy.
>>>>
>>>> The ruling class (Sheriff, Prince John, King Richard) were Normans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes the baddies spoke French
>>> ;-))
>>
>> I still remember the Sheriff yelling at Robin:
>> "I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your
>> father smelt of elderberries."
>>
>> NS
>> Norman historian
>
> I think you've confused some films. That was not the Sheriff and Robin,
> it was from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".
>
> Or have I totally missed your stab at subtle humor? :-)
>
> -KC

Yes.

Date: 06 Mar 2007 18:13:01
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

* KC <kc_news@sonic.net > a �crit
> elderberries

'Twas "MAN' shouting at Arthur, no?

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Date: 05 Mar 2007 14:12:47
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

KC wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>> In article <MTjGh.8509$tD2.4528@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> Nev Shea <spamtrap@garbage.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:54tv97F22a4u2U1@mid.individual.net:
>>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider
>>>>> - exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood
>>>>> anything like Errol Flynn?
>>>> Johnny Depp
>>>
>>> I'd like to see it done with Wesley Snipes -- he'd put the hood in
>>> Robin Hood!
>>
>> Wesley Snipes is all anger. Grimace, scowl, grimace.
>> It takes someone from the British Isles to play Robin Hood. Not that
>> he could be cast, but did anyone see Anthony Hopkins in
>> The_Mask_of_Zorro [1998]? When he was in a scene he owned it; made
>> Antonio Banderas look puny. The rest of the movie is no better than it
>> should be.
>>
>
> IMO, and I'm a lapsed/former big fan of Robin Hood texts and films, Sean
> Connery was the best Robin Hood I ever saw on film ("Robin and ian"
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075147/ one of the best Robin Hood films
> ever made, IMHO). Errol Flynn was too high-class. Robin was a peasant.
> Anthony Hopkins might come across as too high-class, also. In Zorro,
> he was *supposed* to be aristocracy, so it worked. He's a great actor
> though, so he might have been able to pull it off.
>
> BTW, the fox in Disney's "Robin Hood" is #2 to Connery! ;^)
>
> -KC

And yes, I know some versions of the legend have Robin as a nobleman who
was wrongly robbed of his land/possessions. Most versions though paint
him as a peasant, or at least a peasant with Noble blood.

:-)

-KC

Date: 04 Mar 2007 11:25:07
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Nev Shea wrote:
> I'd like to see it done with Wesley Snipes -- he'd put the hood in Robin
> Hood!
As in London "robbin' (h)ood" = "thieving crook"
:-))

Date: 02 Mar 2007 19:52:22
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Date: 03 Mar 2007 13:28:40
From: Stu Fleming
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Tom Kunich wrote:

> You can't blame Costner for being miscast bigtime. And then consider -
> exactly who is there around today that could play Robin Hood anything like
> Errol Flynn?

Jim Carrey.

Date: 02 Mar 2007 09:37:42
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Thu, 01 2007 23:06:11 -0800, Fred Fredburger
<FredFredburger@WhereAreTheNachos.huh > wrote:

>
>That would be quite the accomplishment, consider the competition! Pretty
>much every German in every WW II flick ever made, for starters...

Tony Curtis has the life time achievement award for that category. He
pretty much retired when his American started sounding foreign.

As an even more OT aside, among the strangest movies I ever saw was
'Sink the Bisk' in Germany, where they dubbed all the English to
German and the German to English. The German kids in the audience must
have thought the whole thing to be a highlight for Germany in WWII
(can't remember what they did with 'Hood', but they must have tought
it cool that the English had a ship named after the first chancellor
of the German Empire).

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Date: 02 Mar 2007 12:50:07
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Date: 28 Feb 2007 20:04:05
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Feb 28, 5:51 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Bret" <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172708630.086674.320120@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> Best. Wheel change. Evar.
>
> > I know a guy that would disagree,
>
> Kunich?

OK. Two guys that would disagree.

Bret

Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:23:50
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Feb 28, 5:07 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:01:36 -0800, Diablo Scott
>
> <DiabloScottNOS...@terra.es> wrote:
> >American Flyers was released in 1985, the first year the Coors Classic
> >came to California so they couldn't have included any of the CA stages
> >in the movie because there were none at the time of filming. Besides,
> >three stages was enough of that.
>
> >I course shaled the Coit Tower prologue and Fisherman's Wharf
> >criterium and they gave us tickets to an advanced showing at the Palace
> >of Fine Arts.
>
> >Yeah, the acting was atrocious, the storyline was sappy, and all the
> >main characters rode like arthritic primates. Rae Dawn was hot though.
>
> Best. Wheel change. Evar.

I know a guy that would disagree, but I've already told that story:
http://tinyurl.com/26qv34

Bret

Date: 28 Feb 2007 18:51:07
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

"Bret" <bret.wade@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1172708630.086674.320120@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Best. Wheel change. Evar.
>
> I know a guy that would disagree,

Kunich?

Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:02:07
From: WeaselPoopPower
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>
> Sigh.

Many especially all team Cinzano(?) were Chicago area racers (4.5hrs
from Bloomington).

Eddy Van Guyse (currently announces the National Crit Champs every year
in Downers Grove among many other major races) Carlos Sintes , John Van
De Velde past Olympian and father of CSC rider Christian among other
Chicago area riders.

Date: 28 Feb 2007 22:40:04
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>>
>> Sigh.
>
> Many especially all team Cinzano(?) were Chicago area racers (4.5hrs from
> Bloomington).
>
> Eddy Van Guyse (currently announces the National Crit Champs every year in
> Downers Grove among many other major races) Carlos Sintes , John Van De
> Velde past Olympian and father of CSC rider Christian among other Chicago
> area riders.

Exactly. I thought the film played out perfectly. Sure, the Indy 500 riders
were a hodge-podge, but they were *supposed* to be. And even Dave Stoller
was trying very hard to imitate something... in his role, he wasn't the real
thing.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Date: 05 Mar 2007 22:05:33
From: Fake name goes here
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

fyi....a friend of mine from southern indiana was in Breaking Away. He
was one of the "pack" riders in the race. He was a Cat 2 as were all of
the others.

Date: 28 Feb 2007 12:27:27
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Feb 28, 11:14 am, KC <kc_n...@sonic.net > wrote:
> DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
> >> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
> >> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>
> >> Sigh.
>
> >> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> > I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
> > it's not much of a surprise.
>
> In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
> NOR actors. ;^)
> (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>
> -KC

Not true. All of the extras and body doubles were local Colorado
racers. What's more, they all received credit for there roles and can
be searched up on IMDB.com

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088707/fullcredits#cast

A few of the names I recognize:
Brian Searchinger
Bob Grummel
Jeff Hartman
John Holcomb
Pat Zeller
Rod Yoder
Todd Kube
Tom Knox
Bruce Whitesel

Half of these guys are still active racers twenty two years later.

Eddy got a movie credit too. He counts as a cyclist if anyone does!

Bret

Date: 28 Feb 2007 16:39:45
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Bret wrote:
> On Feb 28, 11:14 am, KC <kc_n...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> DanK...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
>>>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
>>>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>>>> Sigh.
>>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
>>> it's not much of a surprise.
>> In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
>> NOR actors. ;^)
>> (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>>
>> -KC
>
> Not true. All of the extras and body doubles were local Colorado
> racers. What's more, they all received credit for there roles and can
> be searched up on IMDB.com
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088707/fullcredits#cast
>
> A few of the names I recognize:
> Brian Searchinger
> Bob Grummel
> Jeff Hartman
> John Holcomb
> Pat Zeller
> Rod Yoder
> Todd Kube
> Tom Knox
> Bruce Whitesel
>
> Half of these guys are still active racers twenty two years later.
>
> Eddy got a movie credit too. He counts as a cyclist if anyone does!
>
> Bret
>

Okay, apparently my humor is lost on you guys, but I was *trying* to
make a commentary on how BAD the acting was in that movie (Costner
included). The cycling extras didn't really need to *act*. :-) (and
yes I realize that the OP's post (and Lance's comment) was about the
*extras* in Breaking Away.

But as bad as the acting was, I bought the DVD and still get a kick out
of that flick when I watch it. :^)

Although I've always been a little bummed that they didn't show any of
the non-CO stages of the Coors Classic which I've been told "The Hell of
the West" was based upon... Trinity road (of recent ToC fame) was part
of the CC back in the day... a 13 year old me rode up it after watching
the pros on it the day before.

-KC

Date: 28 Feb 2007 14:01:36
From: Diablo Scott
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

KC wrote:

> Although I've always been a little bummed that they didn't show any of
> the non-CO stages of the Coors Classic which I've been told "The Hell of
> the West" was based upon... Trinity road (of recent ToC fame) was part
> of the CC back in the day... a 13 year old me rode up it after watching
> the pros on it the day before.
>
> -KC

American Flyers was released in 1985, the first year the Coors Classic
came to California so they couldn't have included any of the CA stages
in the movie because there were none at the time of filming. Besides,
three stages was enough of that.

I course shaled the Coit Tower prologue and Fisherman's Wharf
criterium and they gave us tickets to an advanced showing at the Palace
of Fine Arts.

Yeah, the acting was atrocious, the storyline was sappy, and all the
main characters rode like arthritic primates. Rae Dawn was hot though.

Date: 28 Feb 2007 19:07:54
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:01:36 -0800, Diablo Scott
<DiabloScottNOSPAM@terra.es > wrote:
>American Flyers was released in 1985, the first year the Coors Classic
>came to California so they couldn't have included any of the CA stages
>in the movie because there were none at the time of filming. Besides,
>three stages was enough of that.
>
>I course shaled the Coit Tower prologue and Fisherman's Wharf
>criterium and they gave us tickets to an advanced showing at the Palace
>of Fine Arts.
>
>Yeah, the acting was atrocious, the storyline was sappy, and all the
>main characters rode like arthritic primates. Rae Dawn was hot though.

Best. Wheel change. Evar.
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Date: 28 Feb 2007 17:43:52
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Diablo Scott wrote:
> KC wrote:
>
>> Although I've always been a little bummed that they didn't show any of
>> the non-CO stages of the Coors Classic which I've been told "The Hell
>> of the West" was based upon... Trinity road (of recent ToC fame) was
>> part of the CC back in the day... a 13 year old me rode up it after
>> watching the pros on it the day before.
>>
>> -KC
>
>
> American Flyers was released in 1985, the first year the Coors Classic
> came to California so they couldn't have included any of the CA stages

I didn't know that was the first year it came to CA. That was the year
I saw it (the race, not the movie), I think. '85 or '86 or so...

-KC

> in the movie because there were none at the time of filming. Besides,
> three stages was enough of that.
>
> I course shaled the Coit Tower prologue and Fisherman's Wharf
> criterium and they gave us tickets to an advanced showing at the Palace
> of Fine Arts.
>
> Yeah, the acting was atrocious, the storyline was sappy, and all the
> main characters rode like arthritic primates. Rae Dawn was hot though.

Date: 28 Feb 2007 11:35:21
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Feb 28, 7:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>
> Sigh.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

For once, the actors, 25 years later, are literally unrecognisable:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Danik

-ilan

Date: 01 Mar 2007 01:17:37
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

ilan wrote:

> On Feb 28, 7:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
>>passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
>>Breaking Away weren't actors.
>>
>>Sigh.
>>
>>--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
> For once, the actors, 25 years later, are literally unrecognisable:
> http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Danik
>
> -ilan
>

LOL--always wear sun protection!

Steve

--
k & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Date: 28 Feb 2007 10:05:22
From: DanKMTB@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>
> Sigh.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
it's not much of a surprise.

Date: 28 Feb 2007 13:14:19
From: KC
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>>
>> Sigh.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
> it's not much of a surprise.
>

In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
NOR actors. ;^)
(but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)

-KC

Date: 01 Mar 2007 12:04:29
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

>
> In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
> NOR actors. ;^)
> (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>
> -KC
-------------
Livingston, Hamilton, tugboat jr will have starring roles in this Lance
directed film. Tyler deserves a second shot at Hollywood stardom,
especially after IMAX edited out every scene with him in it, in their
Cycling production, in which he was the star. Did they ever release that?
If you edit out the star, there probably wasn't much footage left.

American Flyers was made by the same guy who did Breaking Away. He
committed suicide shortly after Flyers bombed. I was surprised to find out
that he loved cycling through his commuting experiences. You'd think he
would have been a racer, or an accomplished cyclist of some type, not just a
commuter. But maybe those scenes where people are fighting each other,
while riding, trying to push the other guy off a cliff, or shoving their
pump into the other rider's spokes, come from his commuting experiences. It
will be interesting to see what Lance comes up with. Maybe his scenes will
resemble those of Drugstore Cowboy. Have Matt Dillon play Lance.

When I first watch Flyers, I wasn't a cyclist, didn't know anything
about it, and thought that Eddy was the only one in the film who didn't look
like a real cyclist.

Date: 01 Mar 2007 09:31:14
From: WeaselPoopPower
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Callistus Valerius wrote:

> American Flyers was made by the same guy who did Breaking Away. He
> committed suicide shortly after Flyers bombed.

Died of a heart attack in 1996 eleven years after American Flyers.

> I was surprised to find out
> that he loved cycling through his commuting experiences. You'd think he
> would have been a racer, or an accomplished cyclist of some type, not just a
> commuter.
>

Steve Tesich raced in and his team won the Little 500 in 1965 so his
experiences were more than just as a commuter. No idea if he raced
beyond L5.

Tesich's Little 500 teammate Dave Blase is reported to have rode
something like 150 of 200 laps of the race and was the basis for the
main Breaking Away character.

Other than that the Calluses info was spot on...

Date: 01 Mar 2007 22:30:52
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

>
> > American Flyers was made by the same guy who did Breaking Away. He
> > committed suicide shortly after Flyers bombed.
>
> Died of a heart attack in 1996 eleven years after American Flyers.
>
> > I was surprised to find out
> > that he loved cycling through his commuting experiences. You'd think he
> > would have been a racer, or an accomplished cyclist of some type, not
just a
> > commuter.
> >
>
> Steve Tesich raced in and his team won the Little 500 in 1965 so his
> experiences were more than just as a commuter. No idea if he raced
> beyond L5.
>
> Tesich's Little 500 teammate Dave Blase is reported to have rode
> something like 150 of 200 laps of the race and was the basis for the
> main Breaking Away character.
>
>
> Other than that the Calluses info was spot on...
--------------
It's been a while since my "flyers" experience, I thought he committed
suicide. If I remember right he had financial problems, and the roof fell
in on him after Flyers. As you might remember Breaking Away was critically
acclaimed, and then to produce a drive-in bomb like Flyers must have turned
his world upside down.

Another thing, that I remember, was something about how Costner was
quite a cyclist at the time. Don't know if that was true or not. I just
pray, that Lance doesn't have Costner play himself in this cinema
production.

Date: 01 Mar 2007 12:34:08
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Callistus Valerius wrote:
Have Matt Dillon play Lance.

Well I suppose that would be better than Dustin Hoffman playing Tom
Simpson - another film project that never got beyond prelims. I wonder
if there were any rushes?

Date: 28 Feb 2007 12:14:00
From: Diablo Scott
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

KC wrote:
> DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and in
>>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing scenes in
>>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>>>
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
>> it's not much of a surprise.
>>
>
> In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
> NOR actors. ;^)
> (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>
> -KC

The extras in American Flyers were Colorado Cat 2 and 3 racers. I know
one of them and he has some good stories about how they selected the
riders, the making of the movie and the lead characters. (the guy who
played Sergei Belov smoked between takes)

The Team Cinzano were real racers in Breaking Away but the rest of the
guys in that race looked like hacks, and the Little 500 racers weren't
supposed to look like real racers.

So whatever Lance's point was, it'll be interesting to see how closely
the actor/racers in his movie look correct.

Date: 01 Mar 2007 05:58:07
From: skiffrun
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Diablo Scott;181929 Wrote:
> KC wrote:
> > DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> >>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and
> in
> >>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing
> scenes in
> >>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
> >>>
> >>> Sigh.
> >>>
> >>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
> >>
> >> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
> >> it's not much of a surprise.
> >>
> >
> > In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither
> cyclists,
> > NOR actors. ;^)
> > (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
> >
> > -KC
>
> The extras in American Flyers were Colorado Cat 2 and 3 racers. I know
>
> one of them and he has some good stories about how they selected the
> riders, the making of the movie and the lead characters. (the guy who
>
> played Sergei Belov smoked between takes)
>
> The Team Cinzano were real racers in Breaking Away but the rest of the
>
> guys in that race looked like hacks, and the Little 500 racers weren't
>
> supposed to look like real racers.
>
> So whatever Lance's point was, it'll be interesting to see how closely
>
> the actor/racers in his movie look correct.

"Breaking Away" was not a movie about cycling, anyway. It was about
growing up. But it was a great movie including the racing scenes for
same reason people rose and cheered when "Rocky" first came on the
scene: it made you feel good and you wanted to cheer for the "good
guy(s)".

I've never seen "American Flyers", but the promo scenes of Costner in
the peleton were laughable even before I paid any attention to cycling.
Combined w/ - IMO - Costner can't act, I have no interest in seeing
"AF".

Armstrong thinking it is important to get "real" cyclist to be in his
cycling movie reminds me of Costner promoting the "Water World" fiasco
my pointing out that the sheath for his knife was made of shark skin,
etc., etc., etc.. It is the story and the telling of the story that is
important - not the cycling scenes -per se-.

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Date: 01 Mar 2007 21:53:01
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

"skiffrun" <skiffrun.2mrpdy@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au > wrote in message
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>
> Diablo Scott;181929 Wrote:
>> KC wrote:
>> > DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Feb 28, 1:02 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>> On Conan last night, Lance briefly discussed his movie project, and
>> in
>> >>> passing, mentioned that you could tell the guys in the racing
>> scenes in
>> >>> Breaking Away weren't actors.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sigh.
>> >>>
>> >>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>> >>
>> >> I assume you mean were actors and weren't cyclists. While a shame,
>> >> it's not much of a surprise.
>> >>
>> >
>> > In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither
>> cyclists,
>> > NOR actors. ;^)
>> > (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>> >
>> > -KC
>>
>> The extras in American Flyers were Colorado Cat 2 and 3 racers. I know
>>
>> one of them and he has some good stories about how they selected the
>> riders, the making of the movie and the lead characters. (the guy who
>>
>> played Sergei Belov smoked between takes)
>>
>> The Team Cinzano were real racers in Breaking Away but the rest of the
>>
>> guys in that race looked like hacks, and the Little 500 racers weren't
>>
>> supposed to look like real racers.
>>
>> So whatever Lance's point was, it'll be interesting to see how closely
>>
>> the actor/racers in his movie look correct.
>
> "Breaking Away" was not a movie about cycling, anyway. It was about
> growing up. But it was a great movie including the racing scenes for
> same reason people rose and cheered when "Rocky" first came on the
> scene: it made you feel good and you wanted to cheer for the "good
> guy(s)".
>
> I've never seen "American Flyers", but the promo scenes of Costner in
> the peleton were laughable even before I paid any attention to cycling.
> Combined w/ - IMO - Costner can't act, I have no interest in seeing
> "AF".
>
> Armstrong thinking it is important to get "real" cyclist to be in his
> cycling movie reminds me of Costner promoting the "Water World" fiasco
> my pointing out that the sheath for his knife was made of shark skin,
> etc., etc., etc.. It is the story and the telling of the story that is
> important - not the cycling scenes -per se-.

American Flyers was better in my opinion than Breaking Away. Regardless,
they were just movies and low budget at that.

Costner is a good actor but he was type cast a long time ago and keeps in
character because that's how he earns his living. Water World was a fiasco
not because of Costner but because the script and the director. The Postman
was pretty good and more or less the same story with a better script.

It is derigor for people to post here as if they were experts on just about
everything. To give you some idea - some Cat 5's here badmouthed Andy
Hampsten and were proud of themselves when he didn't post here any more. My
real favorite was the Cat 5's screeching that a first time racer HAD to have
a 12 tooth sprocket.

Your criticisms of motion pictures is sort of like sitting at a dinner table
listening to someone talk about the importance of lint traps in clothes
dryers - it might have some value but it doesn't have an audience.

Date: 01 Mar 2007 22:09:35
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Tom Kunich wrote:

<snip >
>
> it might have some value but it doesn't have an audience.
>

Except you. Just thought I would point that out.

--
Bill Asher

Date: 01 Mar 2007 12:05:04
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Thu, 1 2007 05:58:07 -0700, skiffrun
<skiffrun.2mrpdy@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au > wrote:

>"Breaking Away" was not a movie about cycling, anyway. It was about
>growing up. But it was a great movie including the racing scenes for
>same reason people rose and cheered when "Rocky" first came on the
>scene: it made you feel good and you wanted to cheer for the "good
>guy(s)".

Still, Rae Dawn Chong skinny dipping at the quarry would have been an
improvement. Made it 'artsy'.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Date: 01 Mar 2007 14:38:04
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

"skiffrun" <skiffrun.2mrpdy@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au > wrote in message
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So if I understand you correctly you're saying "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

Date: 01 Mar 2007 09:32:16
From: skiffrun
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Tom Kunich;182188 Wrote:
> "skiffrun" <skiffrun.2mrpdy@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote in
> message
> news:skiffrun.2mrpdy@no-mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au...
>
> So if I understand you correctly you're saying
> "Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!"

Yeah, but I don't think most of the posters seemed to realize that
point. And since one can't educate by insulting but sometimes can by
careful explanation, ... . Sometimes can't educate anyone regardless.

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Date: 28 Feb 2007 19:05:46
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:14:00 -0800, Diablo Scott
<DiabloScottNOSPAM@terra.es > wrote:
>The extras in American Flyers were Colorado Cat 2 and 3 racers. I know
>one of them and he has some good stories about how they selected the
>riders, the making of the movie and the lead characters. (the guy who
>played Sergei Belov smoked between takes)

I thought he smoked *during* takes.

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Date: 28 Feb 2007 11:28:10
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

KC wrote:

> In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither cyclists,
> NOR actors. ;^)
> (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>
> -KC

Les was awesome, though.

Dan

Date: 03 Mar 2007 13:28:42
From: Marlene Blanshay
Subject: Re: Lance- Breaking Away actors weren't cyclists

Dan Connelly wrote:
> KC wrote:
>
>> In stark contrast to "American Flyers" where they were neither
>> cyclists, NOR actors. ;^)
>> (but I still love that flick! Res firma mitescere nescit, dude!!!)
>>
>> -KC
>
> Les was awesome, though.
>
> Dan

i remember this scene from Risky business when Tom Cruise borrows his
friend's bike....there were certain things I notice:

-while tom is a shrimp (not unusual for a cyclist anyways) his friends
bike fits him!

-in the long shots, you can see that his stunt double is likely a pro
cyclist, and they also speed up the film to make it look like he's
riding faster than he is.

-it's chicago at night, no helmet-the guy has awesome bike handling skills!