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Date: 20 Sep 2007 12:38:26
From: Hell and High Water
Subject: Landis Guilty
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Panel: Landis guilty of doping
By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer 5 minutes ago
Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when
arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de
France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular
comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and
bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to
possibly salvage his title =3F an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for
Sport.
According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later
Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator
Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher
Campbell dissenting.
The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 11:06:32
From:
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 2:59 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 20, 2:19 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 20, 1:38 pm, Hell and High Water <tifoso...@OVEcomcast.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Panel: Landis guilty of doping
>
> > > By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer 5 minutes ago
>
> > > Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when
> > > arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de
> > > France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular
> > > comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
>
> > > The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and
> > > bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to
> > > possibly salvage his title =3F an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for
> > > Sport.
>
> > > According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later
> > > Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator
> > > Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher
> > > Campbell dissenting.
>
> > > The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
> > > enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
> > > a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
>
> > I wonder how many split decisions they have had in the USADA 35-0 run?
>
> > The CAS appeal is limited to procedural complaints, don't see much
> > hope there.
>
> > He'll be 33 when he's free to compete again.- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I can't believe they slam the lab for being totally flawed, yet find
> Landis guilty. Kangaroo Court..
> Just proves the system is broken beyond any chance of having
> credibility. Landis may very well be guilty, but so is the lab, and
> that should've been enough to throw this out.
> Bill C
In particular, I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that the
chain of custody was improper and still find him guilty. IOW, it
doesn't matter that we don't know whether the sample was tampered with
or not: the sample was positive and we hold Landis guilty. It's
practically an admission that they will use trumped up evidence if
that's what they're given.
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 20:41:05
From: Scott
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 12:19 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Sep 20, 1:38 pm, Hell and High Water <tifoso...@OVEcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Panel: Landis guilty of doping
>
> > By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer 5 minutes ago
>
> > Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when
> > arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de
> > France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular
> > comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
>
> > The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and
> > bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to
> > possibly salvage his title =3F an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for
> > Sport.
>
> > According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later
> > Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator
> > Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher
> > Campbell dissenting.
>
> > The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
> > enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
> > a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
>
> I wonder how many split decisions they have had in the USADA 35-0 run?
>
> The CAS appeal is limited to procedural complaints, don't see much
> hope there.
>
> He'll be 33 when he's free to compete again.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
What about the Landaluze case? http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11366.0.html
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 17:26:36
From: Dumbass
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 2:09 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> Keith wrote:
> >> The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
> >> enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
> >> a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
>
> > At long last, why not make it start on July 27th, 2006 or whenever the
> > B-Sample came in as "non-negative" ?
>
> He's lucky it wasn't retroactive to 02 Sep 2007:http://www.cyclingnews.com/mtb/?id=2007/sep07/sm100_07
>
> Dan
The retroactive date knocks him out of the 2008 TDF. An earlier date
would have the same effect. He can still compete in 2009.
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 16:05:05
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 5:18 pm, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> MMan wrote:
> > On Sep 20, 4:02 pm, "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREM...@telus.net> wrote:
> >> I hope we get to see any minority statement from the dissenting arbitr=
ator.
>
> >> JF
>
> > Voil=E0:
>
> >http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFi...
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> > No punches pulled.
>
> The main judgement:
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/Landis%2...
>
> Bob Schwartz
I can't believe what I just read. Could've come from Alberto "Torture
isn't really torture" Gonzales.
Bill "raging jock sniffing commie" C
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 15:56:36
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 4:44 pm, MMan <mman...@cs.com > wrote:
> On Sep 20, 4:02 pm, "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREM...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > I hope we get to see any minority statement from the dissenting arbitra=
tor.
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> > JF
>
> Voil=E0:
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFi...
>
> No punches pulled.
That's pretty damned clear. Not sure how anyone is going to insist
the Lab is above reproach anymore.
Bill C
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 13:44:03
From: MMan
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 4:02 pm, "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREM...@telus.net > wrote:
> I hope we get to see any minority statement from the dissenting arbitrato=
r=2E
>
> JF
Voil=E0:
http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFinalDis=
sent.pdf
No punches pulled.
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 16:18:51
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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MMan wrote:
> On Sep 20, 4:02 pm, "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREM...@telus.net> wrote:
>> I hope we get to see any minority statement from the dissenting arbitrator.
>>
>> JF
>
> Voilą:
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/LandisFinalDissent.pdf
>
> No punches pulled.
>
The main judgement:
http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/Landis%20Final%20(20-09-07)%20(3).pdf
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 12:59:47
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 2:19 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Sep 20, 1:38 pm, Hell and High Water <tifoso...@OVEcomcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Panel: Landis guilty of doping
>
> > By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer 5 minutes ago
>
> > Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when
> > arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de
> > France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular
> > comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
>
> > The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and
> > bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to
> > possibly salvage his title =3F an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for
> > Sport.
>
> > According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later
> > Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator
> > Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher
> > Campbell dissenting.
>
> > The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
> > enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
> > a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
>
> I wonder how many split decisions they have had in the USADA 35-0 run?
>
> The CAS appeal is limited to procedural complaints, don't see much
> hope there.
>
> He'll be 33 when he's free to compete again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I can't believe they slam the lab for being totally flawed, yet find
Landis guilty. Kangaroo Court..
Just proves the system is broken beyond any chance of having
credibility. Landis may very well be guilty, but so is the lab, and
that should've been enough to throw this out.
Bill C
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 20:13:14
From: Fritz
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1190318387.882716.19570@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 20, 2:19 pm, Dumbass <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 1:38 pm, Hell and High Water <tifoso...@OVEcomcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Panel: Landis guilty of doping
>>
>> > By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer 5 minutes ago
>>
>> > Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when
>> > arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de
>> > France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular
>> > comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
>>
>> > The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and
>> > bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to
>> > possibly salvage his title =3F an appeal to the Court of Arbitration
>> > for
>> > Sport.
>>
>> > According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later
>> > Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator
>> > Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher
>> > Campbell dissenting.
>>
>> > The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
>> > enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject
>> > to
>> > a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
>>
>> I wonder how many split decisions they have had in the USADA 35-0 run?
>>
>> The CAS appeal is limited to procedural complaints, don't see much
>> hope there.
>>
>> He'll be 33 when he's free to compete again.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I can't believe they slam the lab for being totally flawed, yet find
> Landis guilty. Kangaroo Court..
> Just proves the system is broken beyond any chance of having
> credibility. Landis may very well be guilty, but so is the lab, and
> that should've been enough to throw this out.
> Bill C
>
Maybe Landis can get a job as Lance's personal assistant. I'll bet he's got
enough dirt on Tex to make a really good deal for himself.
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 20:02:56
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote...
>
> I can't believe they slam the lab for being totally flawed, yet find
> Landis guilty. Kangaroo Court..
> Just proves the system is broken beyond any chance of having
> credibility. Landis may very well be guilty, but so is the lab, and
> that should've been enough to throw this out.
> Bill C
I hope we get to see any minority statement from the dissenting arbitrator.
JF
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 11:19:36
From: Dumbass
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Sep 20, 1:38 pm, Hell and High Water <tifoso...@OVEcomcast.net >
wrote:
> Panel: Landis guilty of doping
>
> By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer 5 minutes ago
>
> Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when
> arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de
> France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular
> comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
>
> The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and
> bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to
> possibly salvage his title =3F an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for
> Sport.
>
> According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later
> Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator
> Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher
> Campbell dissenting.
>
> The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
> enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
> a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
I wonder how many split decisions they have had in the USADA 35-0 run?
The CAS appeal is limited to procedural complaints, don't see much
hope there.
He'll be 33 when he's free to compete again.
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 19:49:10
From: Keith
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:38:26 -0500, Hell and High Water
<tifosoREM@OVEcomcast.net > wrote:
> Panel: Landis guilty of doping
>
>By EDDIE PELLS, AP National Writer 5 minutes ago
>
>Floyd Landis lost his expensive and explosive doping case Thursday when
>arbitrators upheld the results of a test that showed the 2006 Tour de
>France champion used synthetic testosterone to fuel his spectacular
>comeback victory, The Associated Press has learned.
>
>The decision, handed down nearly four months after a bizarre and
>bitterly fought hearing, leaves Landis with only one more outlet to
>possibly salvage his title =3F an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for
>Sport.
>
>According to documents obtained by AP, and to be made public later
>Thursday, the vote was 2-1 to uphold the results, with lead arbitrator
>Patrice Brunet and Richard McLaren in the majority and Christopher
>Campbell dissenting.
>
>The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
>enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
>a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
At long last, why not make it start on July 27th, 2006 or whenever the
B-Sample came in as "non-negative" ?
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Date: 20 Sep 2007 11:09:30
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Landis Guilty
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Keith wrote:
>> The decision means Landis, who repeatedly has denied using performance-
>> enhancing drugs, must forfeit his Tour de France title and is subject to
>> a two-year ban, retroactive to January 30, 2007.
>
> At long last, why not make it start on July 27th, 2006 or whenever the
> B-Sample came in as "non-negative" ?
>
He's lucky it wasn't retroactive to 02 Sep 2007:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/mtb/?id=2007/sep07/sm100_07
Dan
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