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Date: 05 Sep 2007 14:29:13
From: Hawaiian Wayne
Subject: Landis and testosterone
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How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
about Landis and the testosterone incident?
I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
already...Jeez!
Aloha for now,
Hawaiian Wayne
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 12:55:10
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 15, 10:09 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1189712617.122773.170...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>
> ,
> SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > "To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
> > offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
> > here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
> > dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
> > want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
> > puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
> > democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
> > aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
> > want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
> > lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
> > --Bertrand de Jouvenel,
> > _Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_
>
> Reminds me of an old chestnut. In capitalism man is exploited by his fellow man.
> In communism it is just the opposite.
"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." -- George
Orwell, /1984/
"All slaves have a transmitter placed somewhere in their body." --
Shmi Skywalker
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 23:27:04
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On 09/17/2007 01:55 PM, in article
1190058910.755179.199200@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com, "SLAVE of THE STATE"
<gwhite@ti.com > wrote:
> "War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." -- George
> Orwell, /1984/
I prefer the Latin.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 12:44:26
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 12, 8:11 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> That's what thumbs are for.
Hey Ben,
Nevermind.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 12:43:37
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 12, 5:35 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 12, 12:00 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 5:58 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article 5kpfgoF4q8d...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
>
> > > Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> > > >> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdb...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
> > > >> Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>> But with CO2 cartridges,
> > > >>> who carries a pump anymore?
>
> > > >> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
>
> > > > Stop breathing then.
>
> > > I said **EXTRA** CO2.
>
> > > Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...
>
> > You're saying Al Whore should stop breathing?- Hide quoted text -
>
> I thought he converted CO2 to oxygen?
He delivers nothing but hot air.
"To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
--Bertrand de Jouvenel,
_Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_
de Jouvenel tapped his mother-in-law, if the rumors are true.
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 05:09:50
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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In article
<1189712617.122773.170060@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >
,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com > wrote:
> On Sep 12, 5:35 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 12:00 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 12, 5:58 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article 5kpfgoF4q8d...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
> >
> > > > Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> > > > >> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdb...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
> > > > >> Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >>> But with CO2 cartridges,
> > > > >>> who carries a pump anymore?
> >
> > > > >> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
> >
> > > > > Stop breathing then.
> >
> > > > I said **EXTRA** CO2.
> >
> > > > Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...
> >
> > > You're saying Al Whore should stop breathing?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > I thought he converted CO2 to oxygen?
>
> He delivers nothing but hot air.
>
> "To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
> offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
> here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
> dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
> want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
> puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
> democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
> aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
> want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
> lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
> --Bertrand de Jouvenel,
> _Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_
Reminds me of an old chestnut. In capitalism man is exploited by his fellow man.
In communism it is just the opposite.
> de Jouvenel tapped his mother-in-law, if the rumors are true.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 12:27:43
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 12, 7:46 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <46e7a253$0$24894$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Howard Kveck wrote:
> > > There's also the possibilty that one might have more flats than cartridges.
>
> > You get some pretty small pumps that fit in a jersey pocket these
> > days for emergencies like that. They work pretty reasonably,
> > you can get your tyres up to 80 psi or so if you don't mind a
> > a bit of PT (particularly helpful training for people who don't
> > have a scintillating social life).
>
> I've seen these micro pumps and it looks like frustrating work getting even that
> much pressure in a tire, if the mini pumps are anything to go by. Definitely more
> of a cardio workout than the ride itself.
I have one for commuting around town, but they suck. My road racing
bikes have large and light (150g) frame pumps that pump a lot of air
fast.
Plus, if they are attached, I don't have to remember them.
I don't want to waste my time and money going and buying cartridges.
What a PITA.
> Greg is right that the shapes of carbon frames
> don't often lend themselves to frame pumps - the big radii at the joints don't help.
That's it for mine. Straps are a necessity. Many others I've seen
are the same way. Lame-o.
> I think I'm going to find a smallish regular frame pump and do something to attach it
> to the bottom of the left chainstay (it'll lower the CG and be more aero, you
> know...).
I tryed that, but couldn't get it to work. I've seen it work for some
folks though.
---
I was thinking about another reason I don't like compact frames. I
have bought my Leesville Gap Survival Water Bottles, which are those
giant 38-40 oz Zefals. They are very tall. Combine those with a
frame pump, large (and rounded joint) frame tubes, and a compact
frame, then people without a large frame size will not get the
combination to fit in the available space. While these are minor
complaints, I don't find the compact frame compelling. I would not
buy one.
Incidentally, the King cages don't lose those big-ass bottles, even on
rough pavement. I say that only to annoy Bob, as he seems to have
this "anti-cool is cool" thing going on.
So now can we get back to chit-chatting about Landis and testosterone?
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 09:52:38
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> Incidentally, the King cages don't lose those big-ass bottles, even on
> rough pavement. I say that only to annoy Bob, as he seems to have
> this "anti-cool is cool" thing going on.
Funny you should mention that. I was riding some singletrack
with Benjamin Franklin and after a couple of big hits I asked
him if he ever lost bottles. He said "Only retards lose water
bottles." You have to remember that Ben rides with the Philly
crowd. If I need enough water to justify an expedition size
bottle I carry a camelback.
I don't know about anti-cool is cool but I'm probably one of
the last people to carry a Silca pump with a Campy head. Silca
frame pumps suck but they suck a lot less with a Campy head.
One thing I have had problems losing are Zefal pumps and mini
pumps but I've never dropped a Silca.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 23:06:10
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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In article <XexGi.2322$4J3.423@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net >,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
> I don't know about anti-cool is cool but I'm probably one of
> the last people to carry a Silca pump with a Campy head. Silca
> frame pumps suck but they suck a lot less with a Campy head.
The Silcas are pretty decent with the Campy head on 'em, especially if you
regularly lube the piston. The reason I don't have any more of them is the threads at
the handle end strip. So I cut them off and rethreaded - eventually those threads
disappeared too.
You don't ride withthe pump you want, you ride with the pump you have.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 08:20:24
From: Mark Fennell
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> I don't know about anti-cool is cool but I'm probably one of
> the last people to carry a Silca pump with a Campy head. Silca
> frame pumps suck but they suck a lot less with a Campy head.
> One thing I have had problems losing are Zefal pumps and mini
> pumps but I've never dropped a Silca.
Those Silca pumps were/are cool, which means, Bob, your anti-cool-is-cool
attitude means you are really not cool. I loved my Silca pump with the Campy
head, until I broke it on the head of a dog who was about to eat me. Damn
plastic tubes. Then I got a Zefal with the Al tube. The dogs left me alone
after that. I love animals but it was war out there sometimes.
Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 16:05:00
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Mark Fennell wrote:
> Damn plastic tubes.
It is still possible to get Silca Impero frame pumps. Not
easy though. I bought spares a couple of years ago so I'm
set for a while. Damn plastic tubes.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 20:19:29
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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In article <1189711663.974576.16020@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com > wrote:
> On Sep 12, 7:46 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article <46e7a253$0$24894$ec3e2...@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> > Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Howard Kveck wrote:
> > > > There's also the possibilty that one might have more flats than
> > > > cartridges.
> >
> > > You get some pretty small pumps that fit in a jersey pocket these
> > > days for emergencies like that. They work pretty reasonably,
> > > you can get your tyres up to 80 psi or so if you don't mind a
> > > a bit of PT (particularly helpful training for people who don't
> > > have a scintillating social life).
> >
> > I've seen these micro pumps and it looks like frustrating work getting
> > even that much pressure in a tire, if the mini pumps are anything to go by.
> > Definitely more of a cardio workout than the ride itself.
>
> I have one for commuting around town, but they suck. My road racing
> bikes have large and light (150g) frame pumps that pump a lot of air
> fast.
>
> Plus, if they are attached, I don't have to remember them.
That's always a plus. Since I carry tubes and patch kit in my jersey I put those
things in the bottle cage when I arrive home so I don't leave without 'em.
> I don't want to waste my time and money going and buying cartridges.
> What a PITA.
>
> > Greg is right that the shapes of carbon frames don't often lend themselves to
> > frame pumps - the big radii at the joints don't help.
>
> That's it for mine. Straps are a necessity. Many others I've seen
> are the same way. Lame-o.
I suppose the theory behind the big radii is stronger joints, so the convenient
placement of frame pumps probably doesn't really enter into it for the frame builders.
> > I think I'm going to find a smallish regular frame pump and do something to
> > attach it to the bottom of the left chainstay (it'll lower the CG and be more
> > aero, you know...).
>
> I tryed that, but couldn't get it to work. I've seen it work for some
> folks though.
I think a 16" pump will work. I may fool with modifying one of the minipump
bottlecage mount clips and velcro strap(s) or make some aluminum pump pegs and
glue/rivet them on.
> I was thinking about another reason I don't like compact frames. I
> have bought my Leesville Gap Survival Water Bottles, which are those
> giant 38-40 oz Zefals. They are very tall. Combine those with a
> frame pump, large (and rounded joint) frame tubes, and a compact
> frame, then people without a large frame size will not get the
> combination to fit in the available space. While these are minor
> complaints, I don't find the compact frame compelling. I would not
> buy one.
Yeah, a smaller sized compact frame would not be able to effectively use a tall
bottle on the seat tube. And carrying those tall ones in your jersey is not so good.
> Incidentally, the King cages don't lose those big-ass bottles, even on
> rough pavement. I say that only to annoy Bob, as he seems to have
> this "anti-cool is cool" thing going on.
I lost a tall bottle on some rough pavement out of a Blackburn cage - it bounced
back up and tore the valve stem off the tire (as well as losing the liquids halfway
through a long ride). Kings are just alright with me.
> So now can we get back to chit-chatting about Landis and testosterone?
No.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 03:11:59
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 12, 7:46 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> I've seen these micro pumps and it looks like frustrating work getting even that
> much pressure in a tire, if the mini pumps are anything to go by. Definitely more of
> a cardio workout than the ride itself. Greg is right that the shapes of carbon frames
> don't often lend themselves to frame pumps - the big radii at the joints don't help.
> I think I'm going to find a smallish regular frame pump and do something to attach it
> to the bottom of the left chainstay (it'll lower the CG and be more aero, you
> know...).
Rick Hunter (www.huntercycles.com) built a friend of mine
a steel frame and put a brazed-on pump peg sticking out from
the top of the left seatstay, so the frame pump goes between
peg and rear QR lever. Very classy.
Ben
> > You can make your CO2 cartridges go a lot longer (and reduce
> > your carbon footprint for the anal retentive) if you just use the
> > CO2 to top up the tyre after first pumping it up with one of these.
> > A CO2 dispenser with a pressure gauge would be nice though.
>
> You don't carry a tire pressure gauge?
That's what thumbs are for.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 17:35:55
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 12, 12:00 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Sep 12, 5:58 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article 5kpfgoF4q8d...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
>
> > Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> > >> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdb...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
> > >> Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> But with CO2 cartridges,
> > >>> who carries a pump anymore?
>
> > >> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
>
> > > Stop breathing then.
>
> > I said **EXTRA** CO2.
>
> > Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...
>
> You're saying Al Whore should stop breathing?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I thought he converted CO2 to oxygen?
Bill C
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 09:00:06
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 12, 5:58 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com >
wrote:
> On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article 5kpfgoF4q8d...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
>
> Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> >> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdb...@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
> >> Legate" <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> But with CO2 cartridges,
> >>> who carries a pump anymore?
>
> >> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
>
> > Stop breathing then.
>
> I said **EXTRA** CO2.
>
> Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...
You're saying Al Whore should stop breathing?
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 14:20:09
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 10, 12:11 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
>
>
> > A compact bike frame, to me, appears as one not fitting together
> > correctly. Maybe I should go into the bike frame business. Bikers
> > don't even seem to notice.
>
> I still don't understand why the top tube angle makes any difference, except for frame mass. But what do I know....
It looks odd -- like my shed frame construction.
Do frame pumps stay and fit well in compact frames? For "classic"
geometry, there was a peg for the obtuse angle and a the seat-top
angle was acute.
I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 08:04:13
From: Jay Hill
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
> hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.
Where did that come from? My cf Look 381 holds a generic frame pump
under the top tube just fine (without a strap), and it could also hold a
pump along the seat tube.
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 19:50:55
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Jay Hill wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>> I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
>> hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.
>
> Where did that come from? My cf Look 381 holds a generic frame pump
> under the top tube just fine (without a strap), and it could also hold a
> pump along the seat tube.
>
The material doesn't matter. I have an aluminum Fondreist with carbon
rear triangle and there's no room for a pump. But with CO2 cartridges,
who carries a pump anymore?
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 23:00:12
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdbfU1@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
Legate" <legatek@hotmail.com > wrote:
> But with CO2 cartridges,
> who carries a pump anymore?
People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 08:32:54
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdbfU1@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
> Legate" <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But with CO2 cartridges,
>> who carries a pump anymore?
>
>
>
> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
>
>
>
Stop breathing then.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 06:58:09
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On 09/12/2007 12:32 AM, in article 5kpfgoF4q8djU1@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
Legate" <legatek@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdbfU1@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
>> Legate" <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But with CO2 cartridges,
>>> who carries a pump anymore?
>>
>>
>>
>> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
>>
>>
>>
> Stop breathing then.
I said **EXTRA** CO2.
Maybe I should have said "unnecessary CO2" ...
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 23:19:07
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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In article <C30CCE7C.62D53%stevens@veloworks.com >,
"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com > wrote:
> On 09/11/2007 11:50 AM, in article 5ko2s0F4mdbfU1@mid.individual.net, "Kyle
> Legate" <legatek@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > But with CO2 cartridges,
> > who carries a pump anymore?
>
>
>
> People who prefer to keep extra CO2 out of the atmosphere?
There's also the possibilty that one might have more flats than cartridges.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 10:36:15
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
|
Howard Kveck wrote:
> There's also the possibilty that one might have more flats than cartridges.
You get some pretty small pumps that fit in a jersey pocket these
days for emergencies like that. They work pretty reasonably,
you can get your tyres up to 80 psi or so if you don't mind a
a bit of PT (particularly helpful training for people who don't
have a scintillating social life).
You can make your CO2 cartridges go a lot longer (and reduce
your carbon footprint for the anal retentive) if you just use the
CO2 to top up the tyre after first pumping it up with one of these.
A CO2 dispenser with a pressure gauge would be nice though.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 19:46:41
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
|
In article <46e7a253$0$24894$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > There's also the possibilty that one might have more flats than cartridges.
>
> You get some pretty small pumps that fit in a jersey pocket these
> days for emergencies like that. They work pretty reasonably,
> you can get your tyres up to 80 psi or so if you don't mind a
> a bit of PT (particularly helpful training for people who don't
> have a scintillating social life).
I've seen these micro pumps and it looks like frustrating work getting even that
much pressure in a tire, if the mini pumps are anything to go by. Definitely more of
a cardio workout than the ride itself. Greg is right that the shapes of carbon frames
don't often lend themselves to frame pumps - the big radii at the joints don't help.
I think I'm going to find a smallish regular frame pump and do something to attach it
to the bottom of the left chainstay (it'll lower the CG and be more aero, you
know...).
> You can make your CO2 cartridges go a lot longer (and reduce
> your carbon footprint for the anal retentive) if you just use the
> CO2 to top up the tyre after first pumping it up with one of these.
> A CO2 dispenser with a pressure gauge would be nice though.
You don't carry a tire pressure gauge?
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 11:17:12
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> The material doesn't matter. I have an aluminum Fondreist with carbon
> rear triangle and there's no room for a pump. But with CO2 cartridges,
> who carries a pump anymore?
CO2 + cell phone?
Harumph. I'll stick with my Topeak Morph.
Dan
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 17:59:12
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> Jay Hill wrote:
>> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>>> I suppose it doesn't matter for carbon frames -- they need straps to
>>> hold the pump. I hate that. Lame-o.
>>
>> Where did that come from? My cf Look 381 holds a generic frame pump
>> under the top tube just fine (without a strap), and it could also
>> hold a pump along the seat tube.
>>
> The material doesn't matter. I have an aluminum Fondreist with carbon
> rear triangle and there's no room for a pump. But with CO2 cartridges,
> who carries a pump anymore?
>
With N2O cartridges, who needs a bicycle?
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 11:27:40
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 10, 7:39 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Hawaiian Wayne wrote:
> >>I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
> >>for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.
> Hobbes wrote:
> > Yeah but you were hoping on a 0 - 10 scale, the 3.2 represents Troll-O-Metric
> > Preemminences of which there are 37. So your score is actually less than one,
> > according to your system.
>
> Maybe its a logarithmic scale. If you ask our rbr Nobel mathematics
> laureate nicely he might condescend to supply a full and completely
> prolix mathematical analysis of the troll meter.
Random thoughts...
Speaking of math (brits weirdly call them "maths"), I could have used
a Connelly clone/bot this weekend on my storage shed project. The gd
joists/caps/studs weren't fitting together correctly with my 2/10's
pitch. Luckily I had cut too long rather than too short. Maybe
testosterone hormone replacement therapy could reinvigorate my math
skills.
A compact bike frame, to me, appears as one not fitting together
correctly. Maybe I should go into the bike frame business. Bikers
don't even seem to notice.
You are a real Jane Austen in your usage of "condescension."
"I cut it twice, and it is still too short." -- BF, 1759
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 19:11:25
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> A compact bike frame, to me, appears as one not fitting together
> correctly. Maybe I should go into the bike frame business. Bikers
> don't even seem to notice.
I still don't understand why the top tube angle makes any difference, except for frame mass. But what do I know....
Dan
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:59:50
From: Hawaiian Wayne
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 5, 1:24 pm, Smokey <smokeystrodt...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 5, 9:29 am, Hawaiian Wayne <birdie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
> > about Landis and thetestosteroneincident?
>
> > I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
> > already...Jeez!
>
> > Aloha for now,
> > Hawaiian Wayne
>
> 3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
> One bonus point for no profanity.
>
> Smokey
Finally!
I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.
I can sleep happy now.
Hawaiian Wayne
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 18:26:00
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 17, 2:24 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Sep 17, 12:55 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > "All slaves have a transmitter placed somewhere in their body." --
> > Shmi Skywalker
> If the marginal utility of lightweight plastic frame pumps
> and frames that fit them was as great as you think, the
> market would efficiently find a way to offer them to you
> at a competitive price.
>
> That the market won't sell you a Zefal HP or a non-crap
> Silca or a real Campy head indicates that your preference
> for these items is illogical and inefficient.
>
> The next time you are frustrated by a bad pump strap or
> those stupid moldings on the carbon frame joints that make
> it impossible to fit a traditional pump, remember that is
> the price we pay for freedom instead of serfdom.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. Now get out of
here." -- Qui-Gon Jinn
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 09:25:35
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. Now get out of
> here." -- Qui-Gon Jinn
Everythings being outsourced to China. Even Benjamin Franklin.
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 21:24:54
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 17, 12:55 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Sep 15, 10:09 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > > "To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
> > > offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
> > > here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
> > > dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
> > > want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
> > > puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
> > > democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
> > > aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
> > > want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
> > > lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
> > > --Bertrand de Jouvenel,
> > > _Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_
>
> > Reminds me of an old chestnut. In capitalism man is exploited by his fellow man.
> > In communism it is just the opposite.
>
> "War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength." -- George
> Orwell, /1984/
>
> "All slaves have a transmitter placed somewhere in their body." --
> Shmi Skywalker
Dumbass,
If the marginal utility of lightweight plastic frame pumps
and frames that fit them was as great as you think, the
market would efficiently find a way to offer them to you
at a competitive price.
That the market won't sell you a Zefal HP or a non-crap
Silca or a real Campy head indicates that your preference
for these items is illogical and inefficient.
The next time you are frustrated by a bad pump strap or
those stupid moldings on the carbon frame joints that make
it impossible to fit a traditional pump, remember that is
the price we pay for freedom instead of serfdom.
Sincerely,
Salma Hayek
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 11:16:45
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 14, 9:05 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> Mark Fennell wrote:
> > Damn plastic tubes.
>
> It is still possible to get Silca Impero frame pumps. Not
> easy though. I bought spares a couple of years ago so I'm
> set for a while. Damn plastic tubes.
They are really crap these days, campy head or no campy head. The
campy head was great -- I still have one and a few Silcas.
They Campy/Silca got ran over by a truck once -- the plastic
shattered,but the head only had the ears flattened, which I bent back
into place. The only thing wrong with Campy heads was/is the price.
But the concept is still correct in my opinion: A very light (~150g)
frame pump that pumps a lot of air fast. I have since switched to the
Zefal 88 for most purposes. I got some at Nashbar for ~$7/ea. They
don't fall off and are about 150g. I know you are anti-cool-cool, and
therefore don't care what things weigh.
http://www.zefal.com/AAA/page.php?nom=produits&sousFamille=pompesCoursesAutofixable&langue=fr
They melt if you leave them in the sun inside a closed car. I tested
that.
Good luck blowing (air).
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 14:05:12
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> They are really crap these days, campy head or no campy head. The
> campy head was great -- I still have one and a few Silcas.
Lord have mercy, I just realized those bastards are selling the
same old shitty pumps with shitty plastic heads... except the
shitty plastic head has 'Campagnolo' on it.
http://i14.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/b1/f5/6ab1_1_b.JPG
Don't click on the link before eating, it'll ruin your appetite.
Government should put a stop to crap like that.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 10:18:40
From:
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:59:50 -0000, Hawaiian Wayne <birdie998@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>On Sep 5, 1:24 pm, Smokey <smokeystrodt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 9:29 am, Hawaiian Wayne <birdie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
>> > about Landis and thetestosteroneincident?
>>
>> > I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
>> > already...Jeez!
>>
>> > Aloha for now,
>> > Hawaiian Wayne
>>
>> 3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
>> One bonus point for no profanity.
>>
>> Smokey
>
>Finally!
>
>I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
>for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.
Yeah but you were hoping on a 0 - 10 scale, the 3.2 represents Troll-O-Metric
Preemminences of which there are 37. So your score is actually less than one,
according to your system.
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 16:39:39
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Hawaiian Wayne wrote:
>>I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
>>for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.
Hobbes wrote:
> Yeah but you were hoping on a 0 - 10 scale, the 3.2 represents Troll-O-Metric
> Preemminences of which there are 37. So your score is actually less than one,
> according to your system.
Maybe its a logarithmic scale. If you ask our rbr Nobel mathematics
laureate nicely he might condescend to supply a full and completely
prolix mathematical analysis of the troll meter.
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 12:24:33
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 18, 12:25 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. Now get out of
> > here." -- Qui-Gon Jinn
>
> Everythings being outsourced to China. Even Benjamin Franklin.
I can think of a couple of things that would be nice to outsource.
"It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions." --
Queen Amidala
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Date: 19 Sep 2007 21:51:41
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>> > "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. Now get out of
>> > here." -- Qui-Gon Jinn
Donald Munro wrote:
>> Everythings being outsourced to China. Even Benjamin Franklin.
SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> I can think of a couple of things that would be nice to outsource.
Surely you wouldn't be nasty enough to send your pet primates
to China.
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Date: 18 Sep 2007 06:14:52
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 17, 6:26 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Sep 17, 2:24 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 12:55 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > > "All slaves have a transmitter placed somewhere in their body." --
> > > Shmi Skywalker
> > If the marginal utility of lightweight plastic frame pumps
> > and frames that fit them was as great as you think, the
> > market would efficiently find a way to offer them to you
> > at a competitive price.
>
> > That the market won't sell you a Zefal HP or a non-crap
> > Silca or a real Campy head indicates that your preference
> > for these items is illogical and inefficient.
>
> > The next time you are frustrated by a bad pump strap or
> > those stupid moldings on the carbon frame joints that make
> > it impossible to fit a traditional pump, remember that is
> > the price we pay for freedom instead of serfdom.
>
> "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. Now get out of
> here." -- Qui-Gon Jinn
You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 23:49:31
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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In article <1190096092.610732.206280@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com >,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> On Sep 17, 6:26 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 17, 2:24 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 17, 12:55 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > > > "All slaves have a transmitter placed somewhere in their body." --
> > > > Shmi Skywalker
> > > If the marginal utility of lightweight plastic frame pumps
> > > and frames that fit them was as great as you think, the
> > > market would efficiently find a way to offer them to you
> > > at a competitive price.
> >
> > > That the market won't sell you a Zefal HP or a non-crap
> > > Silca or a real Campy head indicates that your preference
> > > for these items is illogical and inefficient.
> >
> > > The next time you are frustrated by a bad pump strap or
> > > those stupid moldings on the carbon frame joints that make
> > > it impossible to fit a traditional pump, remember that is
> > > the price we pay for freedom instead of serfdom.
> >
> > "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. Now get out of
> > here." -- Qui-Gon Jinn
>
> You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion.
It looks like even Greenspan is tossing in a few provisos.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 12:52:54
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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"Hawaiian Wayne" <birdie998@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189349990.008390.230410@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 1:24 pm, Smokey <smokeystrodt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 5, 9:29 am, Hawaiian Wayne <birdie...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
>> > about Landis and thetestosteroneincident?
>>
>> > I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
>> > already...Jeez!
>>
>> > Aloha for now,
>> > Hawaiian Wayne
>>
>> 3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
>> One bonus point for no profanity.
>>
>> Smokey
>
> Finally!
>
> I was waiting for my score. I thought it a solid 2 and was only hoping
> for at least that, so a 3.2 far exceeded my wildest dreams.
>
> I can sleep happy now.
>
> Hawaiian Wayne
>
Hope you dream about Landis and thetestosteroneincident.
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 16:24:28
From: Smokey
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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On Sep 5, 9:29 am, Hawaiian Wayne <birdie...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
> about Landis and the testosterone incident?
>
> I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
> already...Jeez!
>
> Aloha for now,
> Hawaiian Wayne
3.2 on the troll-o-meter. Unimaginative subject, hackneyed phrasing.
One bonus point for no profanity.
Smokey
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 08:46:02
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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In article
<1189002553.631836.118600@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
Hawaiian Wayne <birdie998@hotmail.com > wrote:
> How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
> about Landis and the testosterone incident?
>
> I'm so sick of hearing about it now that I could PUKE~! Drop it,
> already...Jeez!
>
It is induhviduals such as yourself that post messages
about the incident, not the "group." But, you are
excused. You do not know any better.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 17:50:31
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Landis and testosterone
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Hawaiian Wayne wrote:
>> How long are the members of this group going to keep chit-chatting
>> about Landis and the testosterone incident?
Michael Press wrote:
> It is induhviduals such as yourself that post messages
> about the incident, not the "group."
Assimilation is inevitable. Resistance is futile. We are the Borg.
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