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Date: 08 Aug 2007 04:01:23
From: bar
Subject: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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So what do all the changes at Slipstream mean for guys like Pate and
Creed?
Are they being left in the lurch? Will we see them in Subway kit in
2008? Or will Johnny V give them a chance to bang with the big boys in
Europe (ie, fetch water for Backstedt, Zabriskie et al)?
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Date: 12 Aug 2007 03:35:34
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On Aug 11, 8:47 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> news:1186878221.515091.127010@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Aug 11, 7:02 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
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> >> Is this the Johnny Weltz from ONCE vintage end of 80s an beginning of
> >> 90s
> >> speaking? Textbook case of kettle calling the pot "black".
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> >> I guess it is the Zeitgeist to get people like Rjiis and Welz acting
> >> defenders of the ethical integrity of the sport.
>
> >> Mamma!!!- Hide quoted text -
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> > Yep, just like our famous televangelist Jim Baker, and others. Those
> > who make the most sanctimonious noise end up being proven the
> > guiltiest.
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> I was thinking more about how the morons here jump so fast to use some
> discredited idiot as "proof" of their own beliefs.- Hide quoted text -
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But Tom they KNOW every rider is a guilty doping scumbag so it doesn't
matter how flimsy the "evidence" they use to support their
proclamations are. Who needs actual proof before trashing someone when
you've got suspicion and imagination?
Bill C
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 17:23:41
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On Aug 11, 7:02 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <s...@reippuert.dk> wrote in messagenews:6qk1p4-5o4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
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> > bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Hm. I wonder if Vaughters had any clue that disco was coming apart
> >> before he signed all those big names to slipstream? He might have
> >> been able to get levi pretty cheap (assuming he'd want the old
> >> fart) ...
>
> > I don't think they want any of the Discovery staff or riders. Today
> > Johnny Weltz said to <http://feltet.dk>:
>
> > "I don't think its positive when a sponsor pulls out of cycling. But i
> > can't se it as fucking negative when /this/ team disapears. I'm not
> > gonna miss their filosifi. We are many who has shaken our heads in
> > fustration - what did they think the could acomplish by hireing Basso?
> > we in cycling have to be aware that we are part of a larger community.
> > We have to be rolemodels - their actions just dosn't fit in cycling
> > today" (the last part can't be translated directly into english)
>
> > Welts ends the interview: "Abesolutely, iv'e still got some friends at
> > Discovery, but on /this/ team there is a lot of people whom cycling
> > would shurely be better without. (hint Armstrong and Brunell)
>
> > Welts is currently sportdirector at Slipstream, and he was the
> > sportdirector who initially setup USP when they started racing in
> > europe before Brunell came along. As an active rider Weltz rode for
> > Motorola in the teams pre armstrong years.
>
> > --
> > Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> > Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
>
> Is this the Johnny Weltz from ONCE vintage end of 80s an beginning of 90s
> speaking? Textbook case of kettle calling the pot "black".
>
> I guess it is the Zeitgeist to get people like Rjiis and Welz acting
> defenders of the ethical integrity of the sport.
>
> Mamma!!!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, just like our famous televangelist Jim Baker, and others. Those
who make the most sanctimonious noise end up being proven the
guiltiest.
Bill C
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Date: 12 Aug 2007 00:47:39
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1186878221.515091.127010@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 11, 7:02 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Is this the Johnny Weltz from ONCE vintage end of 80s an beginning of
>> 90s
>> speaking? Textbook case of kettle calling the pot "black".
>>
>> I guess it is the Zeitgeist to get people like Rjiis and Welz acting
>> defenders of the ethical integrity of the sport.
>>
>> Mamma!!!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Yep, just like our famous televangelist Jim Baker, and others. Those
> who make the most sanctimonious noise end up being proven the
> guiltiest.
I was thinking more about how the morons here jump so fast to use some
discredited idiot as "proof" of their own beliefs.
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 18:43:43
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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In article <LMsvi.13678$rR.4779@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1186878221.515091.127010@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 11, 7:02 pm, "Alex Beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Is this the Johnny Weltz from ONCE vintage end of 80s an beginning of
> >> 90s
> >> speaking? Textbook case of kettle calling the pot "black".
> >>
> >> I guess it is the Zeitgeist to get people like Rjiis and Welz acting
> >> defenders of the ethical integrity of the sport.
> >>
> >> Mamma!!!- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> > Yep, just like our famous televangelist Jim Baker, and others. Those
> > who make the most sanctimonious noise end up being proven the
> > guiltiest.
>
> I was thinking more about how the morons here jump so fast to use some
> discredited idiot as "proof" of their own beliefs.
Hmm, like you and every source you've cited on global warming, T?
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 21:50:26
From: bar
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On Aug 10, 1:47 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So what do all the changes at Slipstream mean for guys like Pate and
> > Creed?
> > Are they being left in the lurch? Will we see them in Subway kit in
> > 2008? Or will Johnny V give them a chance to bang with the big boys in
> > Europe (ie, fetch water for Backstedt, Zabriskie et al)?
>
> Johnny Weltz has a history of working with younger not well known
> riders - that was what he did with the unknown american riders at US
> Postal until the arival of Armstrong and Brunell.
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
Hm. I wonder if Vaughters had any clue that disco was coming apart
before he signed all those big names to slipstream? He might have
been able to get levi pretty cheap (assuming he'd want the old
fart) ...
also, hincapie is a tool if he goes to t-mobile. csc was his only
hope for rejuvenation.
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 23:03:34
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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bar <barbaricia@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hm. I wonder if Vaughters had any clue that disco was coming apart
> before he signed all those big names to slipstream? He might have
> been able to get levi pretty cheap (assuming he'd want the old
> fart) ...
I don't think they want any of the Discovery staff or riders. Today
Johnny Weltz said to <http://feltet.dk >:
"I don't think its positive when a sponsor pulls out of cycling. But i
can't se it as fucking negative when /this/ team disapears. I'm not
gonna miss their filosifi. We are many who has shaken our heads in
fustration - what did they think the could acomplish by hireing Basso?
we in cycling have to be aware that we are part of a larger community.
We have to be rolemodels - their actions just dosn't fit in cycling
today" (the last part can't be translated directly into english)
Welts ends the interview: "Abesolutely, iv'e still got some friends at
Discovery, but on /this/ team there is a lot of people whom cycling
would shurely be better without. (hint Armstrong and Brunell)
Welts is currently sportdirector at Slipstream, and he was the
sportdirector who initially setup USP when they started racing in
europe before Brunell came along. As an active rider Weltz rode for
Motorola in the teams pre armstrong years.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 12 Aug 2007 01:02:49
From: Alex Beascoechea
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:6qk1p4-5o4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> bar <barbaricia@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hm. I wonder if Vaughters had any clue that disco was coming apart
>> before he signed all those big names to slipstream? He might have
>> been able to get levi pretty cheap (assuming he'd want the old
>> fart) ...
>
> I don't think they want any of the Discovery staff or riders. Today
> Johnny Weltz said to <http://feltet.dk>:
>
> "I don't think its positive when a sponsor pulls out of cycling. But i
> can't se it as fucking negative when /this/ team disapears. I'm not
> gonna miss their filosifi. We are many who has shaken our heads in
> fustration - what did they think the could acomplish by hireing Basso?
> we in cycling have to be aware that we are part of a larger community.
> We have to be rolemodels - their actions just dosn't fit in cycling
> today" (the last part can't be translated directly into english)
>
> Welts ends the interview: "Abesolutely, iv'e still got some friends at
> Discovery, but on /this/ team there is a lot of people whom cycling
> would shurely be better without. (hint Armstrong and Brunell)
>
> Welts is currently sportdirector at Slipstream, and he was the
> sportdirector who initially setup USP when they started racing in
> europe before Brunell came along. As an active rider Weltz rode for
> Motorola in the teams pre armstrong years.
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
Is this the Johnny Weltz from ONCE vintage end of 80s an beginning of 90s
speaking? Textbook case of kettle calling the pot "black".
I guess it is the Zeitgeist to get people like Rjiis and Welz acting
defenders of the ethical integrity of the sport.
Mamma!!!
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 18:19:26
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:03:34 +0200, Morten Reippuert
Knudsen<spam@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> As an active rider Weltz rode for
>Motorola in the teams pre armstrong years.
I think they were riders at the same time for awhile, in 1995
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/pelotons/eq1995.php#USA
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 19:00:16
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:50:26 -0000, bar <barbaricia@gmail.com > wrote:
> hincapie is a tool if he goes to t-mobile. csc was his only
>hope for rejuvenation.
Mapei was his best chance to win classics.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 19:47:12
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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bar <barbaricia@gmail.com > wrote:
> So what do all the changes at Slipstream mean for guys like Pate and
> Creed?
> Are they being left in the lurch? Will we see them in Subway kit in
> 2008? Or will Johnny V give them a chance to bang with the big boys in
> Europe (ie, fetch water for Backstedt, Zabriskie et al)?
Johnny Weltz has a history of working with younger not well known
riders - that was what he did with the unknown american riders at US
Postal until the arival of Armstrong and Brunell.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 23:10:37
From: OMC
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On Aug 8, 4:02 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 8, 7:08 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So it sounds like Pate is staying ...
>
> > Thanks. That's awesome for Danny - hope he gets to ride for himself a
> > little bit.
>
> I'd like to see Danny ride Paris-Roubaix. He used to do a lot of cross
> racing and is good at it.
>
> Bret
No worry for either of them.........should they want to stay.....
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 22:02:19
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On Aug 8, 7:08 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > So it sounds like Pate is staying ...
>
> Thanks. That's awesome for Danny - hope he gets to ride for himself a
> little bit.
I'd like to see Danny ride Paris-Roubaix. He used to do a lot of cross
racing and is good at it.
Bret
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 06:08:15
From: bar
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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> So it sounds like Pate is staying ...
>
Thanks. That's awesome for Danny - hope he gets to ride for himself a
little bit.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 06:31:50
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Left behind by Slipstream's evolution?
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On 08/08/2007 05:01 AM, in article
1186570883.512974.214820@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, "bar"
<barbaricia@gmail.com > wrote:
> So what do all the changes at Slipstream mean for guys like Pate and
> Creed?
>
> Are they being left in the lurch? Will we see them in Subway kit in
> 2008? Or will Johnny V give them a chance to bang with the big boys in
> Europe (ie, fetch water for Backstedt, Zabriskie et al)?
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug08news
The Swedish champion joins a wave of big-named new signings to the squad,
with Saunier Duval's David Millar, and Team CSC duo David Zabriskie and
Christian Vande Velde all being announced immediately after the Tour de
France finished. Yesterday New Zealand's Julian Dean announced he was
leaving his French ProTour team Crédit Agricole to join the squad for 2008.
"I believe that with riders such as myself, Millar, Zabriske and Vande Velde
joining guys like Danny Pate, we can make a significant impact on some major
races next year," added Backstedt. "From my own perspective I have a big
following in the USA and am really looking forward to getting stuck into
races such as the Tour of California and racing for an American team."
Backstedt is confident with the lineup the squad will enter 2008 with that
the outfit will be invited to both Roubaix and the Tour. The two events have
been singled out by Vaughters recently as key stepping stones in the path to
a ProTour licence in 2009.
So it sounds like Pate is staying ...
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Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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