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Date: 06 Aug 2007 18:10:22
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Subject: Levi should have won TdF?
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All,
Something I have not seen discussed: Should this have been Levi's year
to win the Tour de France?
In stages that I watched, he appeared to be significantly stronger
than Contador. In several, he was relentlessly attaching Rasmussen,
trying to crack him, while Contador just followed. Yet Levi was never
left behind at the finish by Rasmussen and Contador.
It seems to me that the Discovery Channel strategy was to preserve
Contador's white jersey for sure, and that by having Levi work for
Contador they could make a reasonable try at the yellow without
risking the white jersey.
Given that Levi Leipheimer was the nominal leader of the team, it
seemed to me that in the absence of Rasmussen, or if Contador had
worked with Levi anything like 50/50, or even if Rasmussen had been
withdrawn early enough for Levi and Contador to race head-to-head in
mountain stages, then Levi would have won the Tour de France.
I didn't see every stage in detail, I admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
something?
Thoughts?
Eric
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 15:03:05
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 11, 10:18 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46bd7bd4$0$987$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>
> > b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > As far as I know, Levi, unlike Tour winner and fan favorite
> > Joop Zoetemelk, is not Jewish. It's not all in the name.
>
> > datakoll wrote:
> >> uh what was levi wearing for the VERSUS portraits?
> > a luftwaffe uniform?
>
> > He could wear a Luftwaffe uniform if he joined
> > the German air force today (and was German, but
> > that's not a good idea for a cyclist these days
> > with the the hypocritical hysteria emanating
> > from there).
>
> > Perhaps you meant an SS uniform.
>
> Or perhaps you missed the allusion that Levi was flying?
well, fersure Levi is not French.
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 01:36:34
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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why me? i'm NE preppy bohemian: degree, jewish german, spanish,
tunisian, lebanese, cuban, PR and god help us french from bayreux and
marseille. we all play baseball, race cars, and run white water.
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 01:30:55
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 10, 4:16 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Aug 10, 7:33 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > could be Levi as a TdF leader potential winner was in danger from the
> > french-English-Spanish because Levi is Jewish.
> > the crowd. egged on by Prudhomme/ASO, drove Rasmussen out.
> > If one examines the overall TdF picture, where you came from, your
> > gross ethnic ID is extremely impoortvant here, more conclusive than
> > time speed distance.
>
> As far as I know, Levi, unlike Tour winner and fan favorite
> Joop Zoetemelk, is not Jewish. It's not all in the name.
>
> Ben
uh what was levi wearing for the VERSUS portraits? a luftwaffe uniform?
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 13:05:19
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
As far as I know, Levi, unlike Tour winner and fan favorite
Joop Zoetemelk, is not Jewish. It's not all in the name.
datakoll wrote:
> uh what was levi wearing for the VERSUS portraits?
a luftwaffe uniform?
He could wear a Luftwaffe uniform if he joined
the German air force today (and was German, but
that's not a good idea for a cyclist these days
with the the hypocritical hysteria emanating
from there).
Perhaps you meant an SS uniform.
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 14:18:55
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:46bd7bd4$0$987$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> As far as I know, Levi, unlike Tour winner and fan favorite
> Joop Zoetemelk, is not Jewish. It's not all in the name.
>
> datakoll wrote:
>> uh what was levi wearing for the VERSUS portraits?
> a luftwaffe uniform?
>
> He could wear a Luftwaffe uniform if he joined
> the German air force today (and was German, but
> that's not a good idea for a cyclist these days
> with the the hypocritical hysteria emanating
> from there).
>
> Perhaps you meant an SS uniform.
Or perhaps you missed the allusion that Levi was flying?
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 23:27:57
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 10, 4:16 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Aug 10, 7:33 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > could be Levi as a TdF leader potential winner was in danger from the
> > french-English-Spanish because Levi is Jewish.
> > the crowd. egged on by Prudhomme/ASO, drove Rasmussen out.
> > If one examines the overall TdF picture, where you came from, your
> > gross ethnic ID is extremely impoortvant here, more conclusive than
> > time speed distance.
>
> As far as I know, Levi, unlike Tour winner and fan favorite
> Joop Zoetemelk, is not Jewish. It's not all in the name.
>
> Ben
dumbass,
what about argentin ?
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 13:27:47
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 10, 12:36 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>
> >>Datakoll is posting from central Florida ... Odds are that he's a) male, and
> >>b) American.
>
> >I'd put my money on Space Alien...
>
> Native Floridian, close.
>
> Ron
Could be he's over in Kissimmee working for the Giant Rat. That would
explain a whole lot of things.
I lived a couple of miles from Gatorland for a while. That was
interesting.
Bill C
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 20:16:29
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 10, 7:33 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> could be Levi as a TdF leader potential winner was in danger from the
> french-English-Spanish because Levi is Jewish.
> the crowd. egged on by Prudhomme/ASO, drove Rasmussen out.
> If one examines the overall TdF picture, where you came from, your
> gross ethnic ID is extremely impoortvant here, more conclusive than
> time speed distance.
As far as I know, Levi, unlike Tour winner and fan favorite
Joop Zoetemelk, is not Jewish. It's not all in the name.
Ben
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 22:17:39
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Aug 10, 7:33 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> could be Levi as a TdF leader potential winner was in danger from the
>> french-English-Spanish because Levi is Jewish.
>> the crowd. egged on by Prudhomme/ASO, drove Rasmussen out.
>> If one examines the overall TdF picture, where you came from, your
>> gross ethnic ID is extremely impoortvant here, more conclusive than
>> time speed distance.
>
>
> As far as I know, Levi, unlike Tour winner and fan favorite
> Joop Zoetemelk, is not Jewish. It's not all in the name.
>
> Ben
>
I never knew that about Zoetemelk. But Leipheimer sounds pretty
teutonic to me.
Steve (nominally a Levi)
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 10:34:31
From: jrees@jrees.net
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 9, 2:57 pm, Andy Coggan <acog...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> On Aug 7, 5:52 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andy Coggan wrote:
> > > On Aug 6, 1:44 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Discovery's goal was to win the tour, not to have Levi win, nor to have Contador win. Coming out of Alpes, Contador had a better GC position, which he solidified with the W on stage 14. Still, despite convention, Discovery allowed Leipheimer to work for himself, as he dropped Contador toward the finish and took what could have been valuable bonus seconds on stage 15.
>
> > > According to Contador, he was calling for Leipheimer to wait for him,
> > > but apparently the message didn't get through.
>
> > > Andy Coggan
>
> > Well if he bothered to learn English he might have gotten the message.
>
> Let me guess: you're from the US, aren't you?
>
> Andy Coggan (who only speaks English, but still doesn't expect that
> everyone else in the world learn the language)
Well, you don't have to learn an entire language, do you? Just a few
words. I seem to remember Armstrong learning some. Remember when he
pissed Pantani off yelling 'vitesse' to him on the Ventoux? I'd
imagine just a few words in French; Italian, Spanish and English would
do the trick. Piano, vitesse, etc
Of course, I bet Levi knows some Spanish. I mean, he lives part of
the year in Girona, and the rest of the year he lives in Santa Rosita
(how about that? Spanish name). At this point, I bet the most
predominate language spoken in California *is* Spanish.
But, it's convenient for Levi not to have understood, and it's also
equally for Contrador to use the translation/earpiece excuse. I was
surprised too, at Levi's move on the climb. I figured that:
He wanted to make time on Evans, and his earpiece 'stopped' working
He was allowed to go
Disco knew already that the chicken was on the way out (Johan has
connections)
Contrador, didn't want to yell out loud for Levi to wait, to keep his
struggles hidden
Zorgon, from the planet Ziljhan took over the radio communications
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 14:33:08
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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could be Levi as a TdF leader potential winner was in danger from the
french-English-Spanish because Levi is Jewish.
the crowd. egged on by Prudhomme/ASO, drove Rasmussen out.
If one examines the overall TdF picture, where you came from, your
gross ethnic ID is extremely impoortvant here, more conclusive than
time speed distance.
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 14:40:07
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 9, 12:23 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> It's more likely that Sastre will be declared winner of both the 06
> and the 07 edition (and get the 06 vuelta as a well deserved bonus).
Ushering in a new era. Instead of records like "X grand tours won in Y
years" or "X consecutive wins" we may soon have "X grand tours won in
1 day" or "X simultaneous wins."
DR
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 11:57:55
From: Andy Coggan
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 7, 5:52 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Andy Coggan wrote:
> > On Aug 6, 1:44 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > wrote:
> >> Discovery's goal was to win the tour, not to have Levi win, nor to have Contador win. Coming out of Alpes, Contador had a better GC position, which he solidified with the W on stage 14. Still, despite convention, Discovery allowed Leipheimer to work for himself, as he dropped Contador toward the finish and took what could have been valuable bonus seconds on stage 15.
>
> > According to Contador, he was calling for Leipheimer to wait for him,
> > but apparently the message didn't get through.
>
> > Andy Coggan
>
> Well if he bothered to learn English he might have gotten the message.
Let me guess: you're from the US, aren't you?
Andy Coggan (who only speaks English, but still doesn't expect that
everyone else in the world learn the language)
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 18:28:10
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On 08/09/2007 12:57 PM, in article
1186685875.416187.65090@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, "Andy Coggan"
<acoggan@earthlink.net > wrote:
> On Aug 7, 5:52 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well if he bothered to learn English he might have gotten the message.
>
> Let me guess: you're from the US, aren't you?
>
> Andy Coggan (who only speaks English, but still doesn't expect that
> everyone else in the world learn the language)
Datakoll is posting from central Florida ... Odds are that he's a) male, and
b) American.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 15:51:16
From: Booker C. Bense
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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In article <C2E10D3A.6055A%stevens@veloworks.com >,
Steven L. Sheffield <stevens@veloworks.com > wrote:
>On 08/09/2007 12:57 PM, in article
>1186685875.416187.65090@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, "Andy Coggan"
><acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>Datakoll is posting from central Florida ... Odds are that he's a) male, and
>b) American.
>
>
I'd put my money on Space Alien...
_ Booker C. Bense
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 12:36:12
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:51:16 +0000 (UTC), Booker C. Bense
<bbense+rec.bicycles.racing.Aug.10.07@telemark.slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
>In article <C2E10D3A.6055A%stevens@veloworks.com>,
>Steven L. Sheffield <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote:
>>On 08/09/2007 12:57 PM, in article
>>1186685875.416187.65090@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, "Andy Coggan"
>><acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>Datakoll is posting from central Florida ... Odds are that he's a) male, and
>>b) American.
>>
>>
>
>I'd put my money on Space Alien...
Native Floridian, close.
Ron
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 20:46:00
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 6, 12:10 pm, mons...@gmail.com wrote:
> All,
>
> Something I have not seen discussed: Should this have been Levi's year
> to win the Tour de France?
Maybe it will still happen.
Hypothetical:
(1) Contador admits Puerto involvement and relinquishes maillot jaune.
(2) Evans is subsequently found (positive, guilty) of (fill in the
blank) from some time in (fill iny year) and is retroactively
suspended (after all appeals have failed).
(3) Levi is given the win of the 2007 Tour and on the same day* as
the announcement of the 2006 winner (whoever that may be).
DR
* Probably some time in 2009
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 20:23:25
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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DirtRoadie <DirtRoadie@aol.com > wrote:
> On Aug 6, 12:10 pm, mons...@gmail.com wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Something I have not seen discussed: Should this have been Levi's year
> > to win the Tour de France?
> Maybe it will still happen.
> Hypothetical:
> (1) Contador admits Puerto involvement and relinquishes maillot jaune.
> (2) Evans is subsequently found (positive, guilty) of (fill in the
> blank) from some time in (fill iny year) and is retroactively
> suspended (after all appeals have failed).
> (3) Levi is given the win of the 2007 Tour and on the same day* as
> the announcement of the 2006 winner (whoever that may be).
It's more likely that Sastre will be declared winner of both the 06
and the 07 edition (and get the 06 vuelta as a well deserved bonus).
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 10:23:13
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:46:00 -0700, DirtRoadie <DirtRoadie@aol.com > wrote:
>On Aug 6, 12:10 pm, mons...@gmail.com wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> Something I have not seen discussed: Should this have been Levi's year
>> to win the Tour de France?
>
>Maybe it will still happen.
>
>Hypothetical:
>(1) Contador admits Puerto involvement and relinquishes maillot jaune.
>(2) Evans is subsequently found (positive, guilty) of (fill in the
>blank) from some time in (fill iny year) and is retroactively
>suspended (after all appeals have failed).
>(3) Levi is given the win of the 2007 Tour and on the same day* as
>the announcement of the 2006 winner (whoever that may be).
>
>DR
>
> * Probably some time in 2009
Don't forget the possibility that Levi, Kid or Cadel could be decreed out of
existence and their names scrubbed from the record book any time in the next few
decades. The Puerto stuff seems to be sticking to Contador in a fairly alarming
way.
The way the Tour's been going lately it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they just
announced that Contador shouldn't have been invited therefore cannot have won.
This would leave the future Benjo trying to explain why Cadel and Levi were
wheelsuckers when there were only ghosts on the road ahead of them.
Ron
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 14:12:26
From: Andy Coggan
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 7, 1:58 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> Andy Coggan wrote:
> > On Aug 6, 1:44 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> > wrote:
> >> Discovery's goal was to win the tour, not to have Levi win, nor to have Contador win. Coming out of Alpes, Contador had a better GC position, which he solidified with the W on stage 14. Still, despite convention, Discovery allowed Leipheimer to work for himself, as he dropped Contador toward the finish and took what could have been valuable bonus seconds on stage 15.
>
> > According to Contador, he was calling for Leipheimer to wait for him,
> > but apparently the message didn't get through.
>
> > Andy Coggan
>
> Maybe they need that Motorola sponsorship again
Or Phonak.
Andy Coggan
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 10:20:52
From: Andy Coggan
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 6, 1:44 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> Discovery's goal was to win the tour, not to have Levi win, nor to have Contador win. Coming out of Alpes, Contador had a better GC position, which he solidified with the W on stage 14. Still, despite convention, Discovery allowed Leipheimer to work for himself, as he dropped Contador toward the finish and took what could have been valuable bonus seconds on stage 15.
According to Contador, he was calling for Leipheimer to wait for him,
but apparently the message didn't get through.
Andy Coggan
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 17:52:02
From: Araxen
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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Andy Coggan wrote:
> On Aug 6, 1:44 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> wrote:
>> Discovery's goal was to win the tour, not to have Levi win, nor to have Contador win. Coming out of Alpes, Contador had a better GC position, which he solidified with the W on stage 14. Still, despite convention, Discovery allowed Leipheimer to work for himself, as he dropped Contador toward the finish and took what could have been valuable bonus seconds on stage 15.
>
> According to Contador, he was calling for Leipheimer to wait for him,
> but apparently the message didn't get through.
>
> Andy Coggan
>
Well if he bothered to learn English he might have gotten the message.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 18:58:23
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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Andy Coggan wrote:
> On Aug 6, 1:44 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> wrote:
>> Discovery's goal was to win the tour, not to have Levi win, nor to have Contador win. Coming out of Alpes, Contador had a better GC position, which he solidified with the W on stage 14. Still, despite convention, Discovery allowed Leipheimer to work for himself, as he dropped Contador toward the finish and took what could have been valuable bonus seconds on stage 15.
>
> According to Contador, he was calling for Leipheimer to wait for him,
> but apparently the message didn't get through.
>
> Andy Coggan
>
Maybe they need that Motorola sponsorship again -- Brajkovic seemed to have the same problem:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/apr07/georgia07/?id=results/georgia075
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 09:50:38
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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monsler wrote:
> In stages that I watched, he appeared to be significantly stronger
> than Contador. In several, he was relentlessly attaching Rasmussen,
> trying to crack him, while Contador just followed. Yet Levi was never
> left behind at the finish by Rasmussen and Contador.
> I didn't see every stage in detail, I admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
> something?
>
> Thoughts?
I think your satellite dish must be very valuable. It seems to be able to
pick up transmissions from alternate universes, like something out of the
twilight zone.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 14:33:42
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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Donald Munro wrote:
> monsler wrote:
>> In stages that I watched, he appeared to be significantly stronger
>> than Contador. In several, he was relentlessly attaching Rasmussen,
>> trying to crack him, while Contador just followed. Yet Levi was never
>> left behind at the finish by Rasmussen and Contador.
>
>> I didn't see every stage in detail, I admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
>> something?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> I think your satellite dish must be very valuable. It seems to be able to
> pick up transmissions from alternate universes, like something out of the
> twilight zone.
>
His newsgroup reader is special too. It seems to have thrown a July
posting nearly a week into August.
Those toys! Where does he get those wonderful toys?
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 08:07:01
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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monsler@gmail.com wrote:
> All,
>
> In stages that I watched, he appeared to be significantly stronger
> than Contador. In several, he was relentlessly attaching Rasmussen,
> trying to crack him, while Contador just followed. Yet Levi was never
> left behind at the finish by Rasmussen and Contador.
>
Err, you're confusing Contador and Liepheimer. Contador was the one
attacking Rasmussen while Levi just followed. The right rider won.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 00:33:29
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com > wrote:
> monsler@gmail.com wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > In stages that I watched, he appeared to be significantly stronger
> > than Contador. In several, he was relentlessly attaching Rasmussen,
> > trying to crack him, while Contador just followed. Yet Levi was never
> > left behind at the finish by Rasmussen and Contador.
> >
> Err, you're confusing Contador and Liepheimer. Contador was the one
> attacking Rasmussen while Levi just followed. The right rider won.
Ofly If you agree that the second best rider won.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 16:41:28
From: Andre
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 6, 7:00 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:10:22 -0000, mons...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Should this have been Levi's year
> >to win the Tour de France?
>
> No.
>
> Next question.
>
> > I didn't see every stage in detail, I
> > admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
> > something?
>
> Perhaps.
> --
> JT
> ****************************
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> Visithttp://www.jt10000.com
> ****************************
You missed the detail in the stages.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 19:00:01
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:10:22 -0000, monsler@gmail.com wrote:
>Should this have been Levi's year
>to win the Tour de France?
No.
Next question.
> I didn't see every stage in detail, I
> admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
> something?
Perhaps.
--
JT
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 13:32:11
From:
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 6, 8:10 pm, mons...@gmail.com wrote:
> I didn't see every stage in detail, I admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
> something?
>
> Thoughts?
My thoughts are: not only didn't you see every stage in detail, you
didn't see any stage in detail.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 22:41:17
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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> On Aug 6, 8:10 pm, mons...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> I didn't see every stage in detail, I admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
>> something?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> My thoughts are: not only didn't you see every stage in detail, you
> didn't see any stage in detail.
I agree completely.
On the other hand - if Levi had had more support and if he had been stronger
starting in the second week instead of the third, he had a very good chance
of beating Rassmussen hands down.
And if pigs had wings maybe they could fly.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 12:45:20
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Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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On Aug 6, 12:10 pm, mons...@gmail.com wrote:
> All,
>
> Something I have not seen discussed: Should this have been Levi's year
> to win the Tour de France?
>
> In stages that I watched, he appeared to be significantly stronger
> than Contador. In several, he was relentlessly attaching Rasmussen,
> trying to crack him, while Contador just followed. Yet Levi was never
> left behind at the finish by Rasmussen and Contador.
>
> It seems to me that the Discovery Channel strategy was to preserve
> Contador's white jersey for sure, and that by having Levi work for
> Contador they could make a reasonable try at the yellow without
> risking the white jersey.
>
> Given that Levi Leipheimer was the nominal leader of the team, it
> seemed to me that in the absence of Rasmussen, or if Contador had
> worked with Levi anything like 50/50, or even if Rasmussen had been
> withdrawn early enough for Levi and Contador to race head-to-head in
> mountain stages, then Levi would have won the Tour de France.
>
> I didn't see every stage in detail, I admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
> something?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Eric
You must have only watched the last climbing stage and the final TT,
as those were the only days Levi showed any real strength at all. As
for attacking Rasmussen, I almost spit my coffee out when I read
that. Levi himself admits he can't attack and from my recollection he
didn't attack once until after Rasmussen was sent home from the tour.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 18:44:14
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Levi should have won TdF?
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Discovery's goal was to win the tour, not to have Levi win, nor to have Contador win. Coming out of Alpes, Contador had a better GC position, which he solidified with the W on stage 14. Still, despite convention, Discovery allowed Leipheimer to work for himself, as he dropped Contador toward the finish and took what could have been valuable bonus seconds on stage 15. If there was any criticism, it was that Contador was getting a lack of support, not Leipheimer. Leipheimer was clearly the back-up option.
Cycling's a team sport, something which is easy to forget. It's not "may the best man win". Discovery showed they were the best team. Leipheimer benefitted from that strength, just as Contador did. Leipheimer would not have been better off, for example, on Gerolsteiner.
monsler@gmail.com wrote:
> All,
>
> Something I have not seen discussed: Should this have been Levi's year
> to win the Tour de France?
>
> In stages that I watched, he appeared to be significantly stronger
> than Contador. In several, he was relentlessly attaching Rasmussen,
> trying to crack him, while Contador just followed. Yet Levi was never
> left behind at the finish by Rasmussen and Contador.
>
> It seems to me that the Discovery Channel strategy was to preserve
> Contador's white jersey for sure, and that by having Levi work for
> Contador they could make a reasonable try at the yellow without
> risking the white jersey.
>
> Given that Levi Leipheimer was the nominal leader of the team, it
> seemed to me that in the absence of Rasmussen, or if Contador had
> worked with Levi anything like 50/50, or even if Rasmussen had been
> withdrawn early enough for Levi and Contador to race head-to-head in
> mountain stages, then Levi would have won the Tour de France.
>
> I didn't see every stage in detail, I admit. Perhaps I missed seeing
> something?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Eric
>
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