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Date: 17 Nov 2007 11:21:24
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Subject: MI5 Persecution: Balham Bus 8/7/99 (12439)
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Balham - LT bus (8/July/1999)
Certainty level: 90%
I am very sure about this one. I got back from holidays on Wednesday.
There were two incidents, both on the tube, on the way back from the
airport. There was a further incident the following day, Thursday, on
the bus (the 155 I think) in Balham, where two girls started spouting
abuse about "crazy", etc. Naturally I had my minidisc with me and was
able to record their words.
The cynical reader might think my demeanour or behaviour had given rise
to the taunts of "crazy" recorded above. But I assure you my behaviour
on the bus would not have made anyone think I was ill; and the taunts
the previous day were the same sexual words as previously; so I'm quite
sure that these incidents are either deliberately staged, or indicative
of an overall high level of awareness among the London public,
particularly in the part of London where I live.
12439
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 21:07:17
From: J. Nielsen
Subject: Re: Checkmate, Atheists!
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:15:58 -0800, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>The more a real scientist learns about the world around him the more=20
>convinced he becomes that there must be a God. So I guess that neatly=20
>catagorizes your beliefs.
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
"Whereas 90% of the general population has a distinct belief in a
personal god and a life after death, only 40% of scientists on the B.S.
level favor this belief in religion and merely 10 % of those who are
considered 'eminent' scientists believe in a personal god or in an
afterlife."
Scientific American, September 1999
"A recent survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences showed
that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to
belief in a personal God."
Nature, 394(6691):313, 23 July 1998
Spin that one, Einstein...
--=20
-JN-
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 15:50:40
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Checkmate, Atheists!
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"J. Nielsen" <morgan@post8.tele.dk > wrote in message
news:6jluj3l5bdnm35h2u0k1u4av65c0rtg2dm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:15:58 -0800, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
> Spin that one, Einstein...
Next you'll be telling me that REAL(tm) scientists would answer such a
survey.
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 10:15:39
From: J. Nielsen
Subject: Re: Checkmate, Atheists!
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:50:40 -0800, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>> Spin that one, Einstein...
>Next you'll be telling me that REAL(tm) scientists would answer such a=20
>survey.
Why not? Surely, REAL(tm) scientists would be interested in the
outcome of such a survey as well, otherwise they wouldn't be scientists,
- at least not in my book - but then again, I could be wrong about what
characterize a REAL (tm) =A9 =AE scientist. Perhaps you could share your
definition?
Of course, I could do a BottleBob survey in one of the science groups,
but since you already made it clear REAL (tm) =A9 =AE scientists are
reluctant to participate in surveys, I'm afraid it would paint a false
picture ;)
--=20
-JN-
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 16:18:04
From: vinny
Subject: Re: Checkmate, Atheists!
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"J. Nielsen" <morgan@post8.tele.dk > wrote in message
news:6jluj3l5bdnm35h2u0k1u4av65c0rtg2dm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:15:58 -0800, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>The more a real scientist learns about the world around him the more
>convinced he becomes that there must be a God. So I guess that neatly
>catagorizes your beliefs.
http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm
"Whereas 90% of the general population has a distinct belief in a
personal god and a life after death, only 40% of scientists on the B.S.
level favor this belief in religion and merely 10 % of those who are
considered 'eminent' scientists believe in a personal god or in an
afterlife."
Scientific American, September 1999
"A recent survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences showed
that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to
belief in a personal God."
Nature, 394(6691):313, 23 July 1998
Spin that one, Einstein...
I'll spin it, don't need einstein for this one. It's an age factor. These
silly polls always favor the results looked for and ignore the other 8
million variables.
What's the average age of a scientist.
What's the average age of a person when they question their faith?
Maybe it's the same?
It reminds me of what 100,000 people look like when protesting. WOW!
Then I wonder, what do the other 319,943,987 look like that stayed home?
DAMN!
It's all propaganda or ignorance. Always, everytime.
There, spin that!
Everyone believes in GOD. Put a loaded 44 magnum to their head held by a
crackhead having a bad day, or worse a young cop, and you will get a man
PRAYING TO GOD for his life everytime.
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Date: 18 Nov 2007 09:31:28
From: Jeff R.
Subject: Re: Checkmate, Atheists!
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"vinny" <friggenbozo@gawab.com > wrote in message
news:gUI%i.84$IX7.147601@news.sisna.com...
> Everyone believes in GOD. Put a loaded 44 magnum to their head held by a
> crackhead having a bad day, or worse a young cop, and you will get a man
> PRAYING TO GOD for his life everytime.
Not so.
You really shouldn't project your own fears and delusions onto others.
You don't know what other people think.
--obviously--
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Jeff R.
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Date: 17 Nov 2007 09:44:43
From: Frank J Warner
Subject: Re: Checkmate, Atheists!
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In article <13ju1dgpu9h3a04@corp.supernews.com >, Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@yahoo. > wrote:
> By all means Frank tell me that you have a degree in mathematics and you
> actually understand the math behind the theory of the universe and aren't
> taking it purely on faith.
>
Not a mathematician. Knife maker. But I've read hundreds of books just
like you, and I try to keep up. The latest thing, I hear, is a theory
that most of gravity exists in another dimension, and what we
experience here in this dimension is just a little leak-through. It
explains why gravity is such a weak force. Do I understand the
intricacies of it? No. I don't. I don't have to. If it's shown to be a
accurate description, others will confirm or falsify it. I'm just here
to reap the benefits of their knowledge, if any.
But more to your point, there's a massive difference between faith in
things that can be measured and things that can't. And I trust those
who measure because they give us things like electricity, automobiles,
antibiotics, nuclear energy, etc., as opposed to those who give us
talking in tongues, snake handling and buggering altar boys.
Lastly, I've about had it with your habit of dishonestly snipping my
salient points (as you did in the portion I snipped to get to your main
point) and responding to an introductory statement. Do it again and say
hello to the hand.
-Frank
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http://www.franksknives.com
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