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Date: 24 Mar 2007 08:24:02
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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(http://procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2723)
1 Oscar Freire (Spa, Rabobank)
2 Tom Boonen (Bel, Quick.Step)
3 Allan Davis (Aus, Discovery Channel)
4 Robbie McEwen (Aus, Predictor-Lotto)
5 Stuart O'Grady (Aus, CSC)
6 Erik Zabel (Ger, Milram)
7 Gabriele Balducci (Ita, Acqua e Sapone)
8 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita, Milram)
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 16:21:18
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On 25, 12:26 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> On 25, 9:32 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > Disco is really rocking this season.
>
> > It's a surprisingly-strong team. Popovych, Contador, Davis, Levi... even
> > without Basso, there's a lot of talent for them to waste by not building a
> > team around them (the "Boonen effect" could do a repeat a year or two down
> > the road). Contador in particular, I would expect to be offered a whole lot
> > of money by a Spanish team.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I don't think it's that surprising. Bruyneel's been good at spotting
> talent from the very beginning.
"Spotting talent." Is that a euphemism?
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 12:26:49
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On 25, 9:32 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > Disco is really rocking this season.
>
> It's a surprisingly-strong team. Popovych, Contador, Davis, Levi... even
> without Basso, there's a lot of talent for them to waste by not building a
> team around them (the "Boonen effect" could do a repeat a year or two down
> the road). Contador in particular, I would expect to be offered a whole lot
> of money by a Spanish team.
Dumbass -
I don't think it's that surprising. Bruyneel's been good at spotting
talent from the very beginning.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 00:10:59
From: bjorn
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On 24, 1:15 pm, Finestre <no-...@nowhere.com > wrote:
> In article <1174764081.636754.93...@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> joseph.santanie...@gmail.com says...
>
> > Anyone know how the Gerolsteiner guy is doing?
>
> Moletta? First thing I thought when seeing it: broken leg. It was
> pointing at a rather strange angle as he hung upside down, trying to
> disentangle himself from the pole.
>
> Didn't look good. Neither did Kopp, really, but at least he seemed to
> be moving. Bad day for Gerolsteiner all round.
They sure did. Moletta does have a broken leg (but in good spirits,
telling Holczer he'll be back for the Vuelta...), Kopp with a broken
Nose and Rebellin, Haussler, and Wegmann also victims of crashes
(Rebellin could finish, the other two abandoned).
bjorn
bjorn
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 12:41:46
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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bjorn wrote:
>
> They sure did. Moletta does have a broken leg (but in good spirits,
> telling Holczer he'll be back for the Vuelta...), Kopp with a broken
> Nose and Rebellin, Haussler, and Wegmann also victims of crashes
> (Rebellin could finish, the other two abandoned).
Five Gerolsteiner's in crashes! No wonder my pick of Schumacher from a
small break never happened: no help :-(
Wayne
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 13:53:46
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On Mon, 26 2007 12:41:46 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com >
wrote:
>> They sure did. Moletta does have a broken leg (but in good spirits,
>> telling Holczer he'll be back for the Vuelta...), Kopp with a broken
>> Nose and Rebellin, Haussler, and Wegmann also victims of crashes
>> (Rebellin could finish, the other two abandoned).
>
>Five Gerolsteiner's in crashes! No wonder my pick of Schumacher from a
>small break never happened: no help :-(
Its all in the difference between managing a small break (happened)
and managing a small break away (nope). And BTW broken noses don't
count.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 16:24:08
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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In article <1174749842.488810.201750@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com >, "Jeff
Jones" <drjones99@gmail.com > wrote:
> (http://procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2723)
>
> 1 Oscar Freire (Spa, Rabobank)
> 2 Tom Boonen (Bel, Quick.Step)
> 3 Allan Davis (Aus, Discovery Channel)
> 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus, Predictor-Lotto)
> 5 Stuart O'Grady (Aus, CSC)
> 6 Erik Zabel (Ger, Milram)
> 7 Gabriele Balducci (Ita, Acqua e Sapone)
> 8 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita, Milram)
Hey, that's a good finish - I picked Freire but I'd also thought that
Davis (who ended up in second, as JJ mentions in the followup post) might
do well. McEwen did better than I expected.
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tanx,
Howard
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remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 12:21:21
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On 24, 7:18 pm, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid > wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > Robert Chung wrote:
> >> When was the last time Freire won off a teammate's lead-out?
>
> > Worlds 2004 (Verona).
>
> Possibly. He's good enough to come off another team's train. I like him a
> lot.
>
> Petacchi finished behind his own lead-out.
>
> Popovych held on longer than I expected. When Ricco attacked on the Poggio I
> thought he had a chance to stay clear.
Popovych's counter was great too.
I thought the same thing about Ricco. I nearly fell out of my chair
several times. I figured he could stay away when I saw Bettini,
pulling everyone down the hill, do a little scramble on one of the
turns. I figured nobody was making up time there, and if Bettini was
doing the pulling after his effort up the Poggio, I figured everyone
else was wasted. A very exciting finish.
Anyone know how the Gerolsteiner guy is doing?
Joseph
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 20:15:25
From: Finestre
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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In article <1174764081.636754.93460@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >,
joseph.santaniello@gmail.com says...
> Anyone know how the Gerolsteiner guy is doing?
Moletta? First thing I thought when seeing it: broken leg. It was
pointing at a rather strange angle as he hung upside down, trying to
disentangle himself from the pole.
Didn't look good. Neither did Kopp, really, but at least he seemed to
be moving. Bad day for Gerolsteiner all round.
By the way, did anyone watch this on British Eurosport? Three words:
David Goddamn Duffield! AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 10:23:27
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Finestre wrote:
> Moletta? First thing I thought when seeing it: broken leg. It was
> pointing at a rather strange angle as he hung upside down, trying to
> disentangle himself from the pole.
That was bad. When the TV image showed him hung up there I thought for a
moment that it was a freeze frame -- then I realized it was real time. Ugh.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 20:33:37
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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"Finestre" <no-one@nowhere.com > wrote in message
news:MPG.206f974be2fe797a9896c2@news.cable.ntlworld.com...
> In article <1174764081.636754.93460@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> joseph.santaniello@gmail.com says...
>
>> Anyone know how the Gerolsteiner guy is doing?
>
> Moletta? First thing I thought when seeing it: broken leg. It was
> pointing at a rather strange angle as he hung upside down, trying to
> disentangle himself from the pole.
>
> Didn't look good. Neither did Kopp, really, but at least he seemed to
> be moving. Bad day for Gerolsteiner all round.
>
> By the way, did anyone watch this on British Eurosport? Three words:
> David Goddamn Duffield! AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH.
Do you really need to have someone to tell you what to think when you're
watching the races? Duffield is actually a bit entertaining since he do
obviously hasn't a clue. Hell of a lot better than Kirsten Gumm.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 20:42:47
From: Finestre
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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In article <BWfNh.14747$PL.9819@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
cyclintom@yahoo. says...
> > By the way, did anyone watch this on British Eurosport? Three words:
> > David Goddamn Duffield! AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH.
>
> Do you really need to have someone to tell you what to think when you're
> watching the races? Duffield is actually a bit entertaining since he do
> obviously hasn't a clue. Hell of a lot better than Kirsten Gumm.
No, but when Italian TV showed the finish of the amateur race, he
thought the winner was io Cipollini. Duffield has always been a
terrible commentator, but judging by today's performance, he's also now
senile.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 00:41:27
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Finestre wrote:
> Duffield has always been a
> terrible commentator, but judging by today's performance, he's also now
> senile.
Yes, but what did he have for dinner last night?
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 11:35:09
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On 24, 4:49 pm, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid > wrote:
> Petacchi has lost it.
Zabel must be kind of pissed. Think what could have happened if
Petacchi led him out instead of the other way around.
Joseph
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 15:06:27
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On 24 2007 11:35:09 -0700, "joseph.santaniello@gmail.com"
<joseph.santaniello@gmail.com > wrote:
>On 24, 4:49 pm, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Petacchi has lost it.
>
>Zabel must be kind of pissed. Think what could have happened if
>Petacchi led him out instead of the other way around.
Yeah, Milram would have gotten a second place. And I mean that in the
nicest possible way.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 17:28:39
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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>>> Petacchi has lost it.
>>
>>Zabel must be kind of pissed. Think what could have happened if
>>Petacchi led him out instead of the other way around.
>
> Yeah, Milram would have gotten a second place. And I mean that in the
> nicest possible way.
Beat me to it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 12:20:16
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Oscar Freire is so good it's kind of silly.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 08:25:26
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On 24, 3:24 pm, "Jeff Jones" <drjone...@gmail.com > wrote:
> (http://procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2723)
>
> 1 Oscar Freire (Spa, Rabobank)
> 2 Allan Davis (Aus, Discovery Channel)
> 3 Tom Boonen (Bel, Quick.Step)
> 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus, Predictor-Lotto)
> 5 Stuart O'Grady (Aus, CSC)
> 6 Erik Zabel (Ger, Milram)
> 7 Gabriele Balducci (Ita, Acqua e Sapone)
> 8 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita, Milram)
Correction, Boonen was third, not second.
Jeff
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 12:20:46
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Disco is really rocking this season.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 17:32:00
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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> Disco is really rocking this season.
It's a surprisingly-strong team. Popovych, Contador, Davis, Levi... even
without Basso, there's a lot of talent for them to waste by not building a
team around them (the "Boonen effect" could do a repeat a year or two down
the road). Contador in particular, I would expect to be offered a whole lot
of money by a Spanish team.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 16:49:17
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Jeff Jones wrote:
> On 24, 3:24 pm, "Jeff Jones" <drjone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> (http://procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2723)
>>
>> 1 Oscar Freire (Spa, Rabobank)
>> 2 Allan Davis (Aus, Discovery Channel)
>> 3 Tom Boonen (Bel, Quick.Step)
>> 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus, Predictor-Lotto)
>> 5 Stuart O'Grady (Aus, CSC)
>> 6 Erik Zabel (Ger, Milram)
>> 7 Gabriele Balducci (Ita, Acqua e Sapone)
>> 8 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita, Milram)
>
> Correction, Boonen was third, not second.
Three Aussies in top five.
Petacchi has lost it.
When was the last time Freire won off a teammate's lead-out?
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 20:30:42
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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"Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid > wrote in message
news:56kvjtF29qj3jU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jeff Jones wrote:
>> On 24, 3:24 pm, "Jeff Jones" <drjone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> (http://procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2723)
>>>
>>> 1 Oscar Freire (Spa, Rabobank)
>>> 2 Allan Davis (Aus, Discovery Channel)
>>> 3 Tom Boonen (Bel, Quick.Step)
>>> 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus, Predictor-Lotto)
>>> 5 Stuart O'Grady (Aus, CSC)
>>> 6 Erik Zabel (Ger, Milram)
>>> 7 Gabriele Balducci (Ita, Acqua e Sapone)
>>> 8 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita, Milram)
>>
>> Correction, Boonen was third, not second.
>
> Three Aussies in top five.
>
> Petacchi has lost it.
>
> When was the last time Freire won off a teammate's lead-out?
I can't remember him EVER winning with a leadout from another Rabo.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 18:17:22
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Robert Chung wrote:
> When was the last time Freire won off a teammate's lead-out?
Worlds 2004 (Verona).
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 19:18:14
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>> When was the last time Freire won off a teammate's lead-out?
>
> Worlds 2004 (Verona).
Possibly. He's good enough to come off another team's train. I like him a
lot.
Petacchi finished behind his own lead-out.
Popovych held on longer than I expected. When Ricco attacked on the Poggio I
thought he had a chance to stay clear.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 19:48:40
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Robert Chung wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>> Robert Chung wrote:
>>> When was the last time Freire won off a teammate's lead-out?
>> Worlds 2004 (Verona).
>
> Possibly. He's good enough to come off another team's train. I like him a
> lot.
>
> Petacchi finished behind his own lead-out.
>
Petacchi sat up when he saw Freire and Boonen pull away in front of him.
If he kept his head down he would have finished ahead of Zabel.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 20:29:45
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> Petacchi sat up when he saw Freire and Boonen pull away in front of
> him. If he kept his head down he would have finished ahead of Zabel.
Well, I should hope so -- but if he was as dominant as he was two years ago
those guys wouldn't have been able to come around him.
One of the reasons I like Freire is because he doesn't give up.
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 10:46:16
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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Robert Chung wrote:
> Kyle Legate wrote:
>
>> Petacchi sat up when he saw Freire and Boonen pull away in front of
>> him. If he kept his head down he would have finished ahead of Zabel.
>
> Well, I should hope so -- but if he was as dominant as he was two years ago
> those guys wouldn't have been able to come around him.
>
People have figured out that if they jump Petacchi in the sprint he's
easy to beat, but if they wait for him to start it they're sprinting for
second place. Two years ago they were still letting Petacchi begin. He
should have started his sprint when his second leadout man drifted back
and waved his arm at Petacchi. Two seconds later Freire began, and
Petacchi was screwed.
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 12:31:37
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: MSR top eight, not following protocol
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On Sat, 24 2007 16:49:17 +0100, "Robert Chung"
<me@address.invalid > wrote:
>Jeff Jones wrote:
>> On 24, 3:24 pm, "Jeff Jones" <drjone...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> (http://procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2723)
>>>
>>> 1 Oscar Freire (Spa, Rabobank)
>>> 2 Allan Davis (Aus, Discovery Channel)
>>> 3 Tom Boonen (Bel, Quick.Step)
>>> 4 Robbie McEwen (Aus, Predictor-Lotto)
>>> 5 Stuart O'Grady (Aus, CSC)
>>> 6 Erik Zabel (Ger, Milram)
>>> 7 Gabriele Balducci (Ita, Acqua e Sapone)
>>> 8 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita, Milram)
>>
>> Correction, Boonen was third, not second.
>
>Three Aussies in top five.
>
>Petacchi has lost it.
>
>When was the last time Freire won off a teammate's lead-out?
Yeah, he doesn't really need a leadout, but he does benefit from
teamwork in the final. Like last year at Brabantse Pijl.
Maybe Valverde lead him out for the win at the Worlds in Verona?
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