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Date: 05 Oct 2007 09:10:58
From: Max Payne
Subject: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/worlds07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/worlds07/worlds074/fs068
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Date: 13 Oct 2007 04:00:33
From: samvaknin
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Hi,
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Take care.
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 09:37:59
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 11, 11:56 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article <feg9rf$pc...@aioe.org>,
> > MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Howard Kveck wrote:
>
> >>>In article <feer2k$6f...@aioe.org>, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field,
> >>>>weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would
> >>>>get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports.
>
> >>> What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different
> >>>phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training
> >>>methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of
> >>>themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and
> >>>had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a
> >>>comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day
> >>>athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of
> >>>the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison.
>
> >>All you Merckx lovers crack me up.
>
> >>We're not talking about hypotheticals here
>
> > Yes, we are. You are. Try to deny it.
> > I'll just slip back in the barca lounger
> > while you work out this one.
>
> >>because to engage in such a
> >>conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if
> >>you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's
> >>peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode
> >>against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's.
>
> >>This comparison can be objectivbely done simply by looking at average
> >>speeds and doing wattage calculations.
>
> >>I'm not saying Merckx wouldn't be a pro-level rider today. All I'm
> >>saying is he wouldn't be riding off the front today like he did in the
> >>1960's. Given the specialization of sprinters and Tour riders in
> >>today's pro peloton, it's pretty obvious Merckx - an all-arounder -
> >>would likely be just another rider on T-Mobile if he rode today.
>
> >>And he'd probably be a major doper today given that he doped in the 1960's.
>
> >>Take that all you Merckx lovers.
>
> > Eddy Merckx was a champion. He was a champion in 1970.
> > He is a champion today. He would be a champion in any age.
> > I left out some verb conjugations, but you get the idea.
> > Rhetoric thrives on repetition, but only the right amount.
>
> Does that logic also apply to Keith Partridge?
>
> There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that thinks
> that EVERY FUCKING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years ago was
> superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people who know
> the truth.
You left out a category:
- those that think that everything done now is better than what was
done in the past.
That's the narcissism, or Zoloftism, of the present day.
R
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 13:25:59
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 11, 11:56 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Michael Press wrote:
>>
>>>In article <feg9rf$pc...@aioe.org>,
>>> MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Howard Kveck wrote:
>>
>>>>>In article <feer2k$6f...@aioe.org>, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field,
>>>>>>weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would
>>>>>>get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports.
>>
>>>>> What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different
>>>>>phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training
>>>>>methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of
>>>>>themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and
>>>>>had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a
>>>>>comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day
>>>>>athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of
>>>>>the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison.
>>
>>>>All you Merckx lovers crack me up.
>>
>>>>We're not talking about hypotheticals here
>>
>>>Yes, we are. You are. Try to deny it.
>>>I'll just slip back in the barca lounger
>>>while you work out this one.
>>
>>>>because to engage in such a
>>>>conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if
>>>>you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's
>>>>peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode
>>>>against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's.
>>
>>>>This comparison can be objectivbely done simply by looking at average
>>>>speeds and doing wattage calculations.
>>
>>>>I'm not saying Merckx wouldn't be a pro-level rider today. All I'm
>>>>saying is he wouldn't be riding off the front today like he did in the
>>>>1960's. Given the specialization of sprinters and Tour riders in
>>>>today's pro peloton, it's pretty obvious Merckx - an all-arounder -
>>>>would likely be just another rider on T-Mobile if he rode today.
>>
>>>>And he'd probably be a major doper today given that he doped in the 1960's.
>>
>>>>Take that all you Merckx lovers.
>>
>>>Eddy Merckx was a champion. He was a champion in 1970.
>>>He is a champion today. He would be a champion in any age.
>>>I left out some verb conjugations, but you get the idea.
>>>Rhetoric thrives on repetition, but only the right amount.
>>
>>Does that logic also apply to Keith Partridge?
>>
>>There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that thinks
>>that EVERY FUCKING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years ago was
>>superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people who know
>>the truth.
>
>
> You left out a category:
> - those that think that everything done now is better than what was
> done in the past.
> That's the narcissism, or Zoloftism, of the present day.
>
> R
>
The next thing you're going to tell me is computers from the 1960's that
took up an entire room were just as powerful and fast as the computers
of today.
The fact is - everything done today is better than the past at thhe
elite level. Everything. Especially athletics.
Do you think Don Meredith would make an NFL team if he tried out today?
Do you think Margaret Court or Chris Evert would even take 1 game off
Serene Williams if she came to the U.S. Open?
I hate everyone in here because you're all so fucking stupid.
Name 1 track star from the 1960's who is faster - in ANY event - than
the track stars of today. Name one. Not even two, just one.
Name 1 weight lifter from the 1960's who is stronger - in ANY event -
than the weightlifters of today. One.
Name 1 swimmer - male or female from the 1960's who is faster - in ANY
event - than the elite swimmers of today. One.
Now answer those same questions and substitue 1970 for 1960 and see if
it changes. Then use 1980, and tell me if that matters. See my fucking
point?
Yet all you JACKASSES IN HERE will have me believe Eddy "I was great in
1968" Merckx was different. Even though his hour record (set at
altitude, mind you) wouldn't even stand up today against the likes of
Christina Boardman....and we know Eddy wouldn't be dropping Lance on
climbs.
Eddy was great in 1960, I agree. But 1960 was an era when all sports
were quite shallow in competition COMPARED TO TODAY.
If Eddy rode today, he'd be just another guy on T-Mobile named in the
Operacion Puerto dossier.
The only exeption to this rule is rock guitarists and music. Rock stars
and bands from the 1980's were much better than the fakes in 1990's and
2000. That's obvious though. Same with actors.
Take that all you Hillary Duff fans.
Take care,
Magilla
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 20:18:25
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:felmb7$aci$1@aioe.org...
> Eddy was great in 1960, I agree. But 1960 was an era when all sports
> were quite shallow in competition COMPARED TO TODAY.
>
> If Eddy rode today, he'd be just another guy on T-Mobile named in the
> Operacion Puerto dossier.
> Magilla
Pappy started this one...
http://tinyurl.com/38bjw8
At the time, I upgraded Merckx to Cat-1, and was generally conservative
about what his status might be in the pro ranks today.
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 09:16:14
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 11, 8:56 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article <feg9rf$pc...@aioe.org>,
> > MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >>Take that all you Merckx lovers.
>
> > Eddy Merckx was a champion. He was a champion in 1970.
> > He is a champion today.
>
> Does that logic also apply to Keith Partridge?
lol
> There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that thinks
> that EVERY FUCKING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years ago was
> superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people who know
> the truth.
As I try to remind folks from time to time -- and I think this never
gets old, unlike Keith and Eddy -- the two types actually are:
1- those who agree with me
2- idiots.
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 01:22:32
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 9, 6:49 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Kyle Legate wrote:
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> >> Whereas the rest of you jackasses in here want me to compare Merckx to
> >> today's riders using all sorts of created hypothetical variables like
> >> "if Merckx had the same training methods, nutrition, etc." That
> >> involves a lot of hypothetical guess work and suppositions - to which
> >> I reply that Merckx would likely also be a doper.
>
> > You can't compare Merckx to todays riders in the way you want unless you
> > can have them compete against one another. Restricting Merckx to his
> > diet and training regimens of the 1960s while permitting the riders
> > today to modern methods is disingenuous and not a real comparison at
> > all. Of course Merckx would be a doper, the top riders are all doing
> > something, but they're mostly clever enough to avoid a paper trail as
> > momentously long as Fuentes' tomes. Given what we know of Merckx's
> > wattages and competitive drive, any fair and equivalent comparison would
> > have him wipe the floor with his competition in any event he put his
> > mind to, in any era of the sport.
>
> Merckx's hour record was eclipsed by Chris Boardman and Ondrej Sosenka
> and Merckx finished 7th in the 1977 Tour de France. That tells us
> something about his true wattage. And when we look at his weight, we
> can reasonably deduce he wouldn't be flying up the Hors category climbs
> in the recent Tours with the lead group based upon a watts/kg estimate.
>
> Merckx also felt the need to set his hour record at an altitude of over
> 7,500 feet whereas Boardman and Sosenka were men enough to do it at sea
> level. I'm surprised Merckx didn't ask NASA to build a velodrome
> inside one of the Saturn rocket boosters so he could try to set thhe
> hour record while in zero gravity with no atmosphere.
>
" I'm surprised Merckx didn't ask NASA to build a velodrome
inside one of the Saturn rocket boosters so he could try to set thhe
hour record while in zero gravity with no atmosphere."
Suppose that a course was created in space that instead having banked
curves, was a single piece of metal, joined at the seam forming an
oval loop.
The bike of the bike frame would be parallel with the plane of the
track.
Would one still slow down in the sections of least radius?
Imagine a Madison with that arrangement.
-bdabfh
> As for Merckx's competitive drive, all pros have one. So relax with
> your nonsense. Merckx's competitive drive was so "great" he took dope.
> Wow, that's impressive.
>
> If Merckx would have "wiped the floor" with today's riders how coome he
> got 7th in the 1977 Tour? How come some guy named Ondrej Sosenka could
> beat him in the ultimate time trial and do it at sea level?
>
> Face it - Merckx was just a great pro who had the luxury of racing
> against shallow competition. So he dominated the sport. Big whoop.
>
> Magilla
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 06:17:51
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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bdbafh <bdbafh@gmail.com > wrote in
news:1191979352.596018.226010@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
> Suppose that a course was created in space that instead having banked
> curves, was a single piece of metal, joined at the seam forming an
> oval loop.
> The bike of the bike frame would be parallel with the plane of the
> track.
>
> Would one still slow down in the sections of least radius?
>
> Imagine a Madison with that arrangement.
Don't stop there, add a twist to the track and you could run the Madison
on a Moebius loop.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 10:15:28
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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William Asher wrote:
> Don't stop there, add a twist to the track and you could run the Madison
> on a Moebius loop.
Hand slinging in zero gravity could be interesting.
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 10:18:30
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Donald Munro wrote:
> William Asher wrote:
>> Don't stop there, add a twist to the track and you could run the Madison
>> on a Moebius loop.
>
> Hand slinging in zero gravity could be interesting.
I already hear the Beautiful Blue Danube.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 16:29:13
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
>> William Asher wrote:
>>> Don't stop there, add a twist to the track and you could run the
>>> Madison on a Moebius loop.
>>
>> Hand slinging in zero gravity could be interesting.
>
> I already hear the Beautiful Blue Danube.
>
>
Throw the bone!
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 17:54:16
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 9, 6:49 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> >> Whereas the rest of you jackasses in here want me to compare Merckx to
> >> today's riders using all sorts of created hypothetical variables like
> >> "if Merckx had the same training methods, nutrition, etc." That
> >> involves a lot of hypothetical guess work and suppositions - to which
> >> I reply that Merckx would likely also be a doper.
Oh, I see now - your hypothetical suppositions aren't suppositions nor
hypothetical. Got it. Sheesh.
> Merckx's hour record was eclipsed by Chris Boardman and Ondrej Sosenka
> and Merckx finished 7th in the 1977 Tour de France. That tells us
> something about his true wattage. And when we look at his weight, we
> can reasonably deduce he wouldn't be flying up the Hors category climbs
> in the recent Tours with the lead group based upon a watts/kg estimate.
So, in a nutshell, you believe that all athletes operate in a vacuum
(as opposed to a hyperbaric tent). That athletes don't learn from the
successes and failures of others. Excellent thinking - write it up
and send it around, I'm sure you'll be able to get it published. Your
deductive powers are more akin to Lestrade's than Holmes'.
Merckx finished 6th, not 7th, in 1977. What a fookin' _horrible_
result!
> Merckx also felt the need to set his hour record at an altitude of over
> 7,500 feet whereas Boardman and Sosenka were men enough to do it at sea
> level. I'm surprised Merckx didn't ask NASA to build a velodrome
> inside one of the Saturn rocket boosters so he could try to set thhe
> hour record while in zero gravity with no atmosphere.
You're cute when you're stupid. From Merckx's Wiki:
Hour record
Merckx also set the hour record in 1972. On October 25, he covered
49.431 km at high altitude in Mexico City. The record remained
untouched until 1984, when Francesco Moser broke it using a specially
designed bicycle and meticulous improvements in streamlining. Over 15
years, various racers improved the record to more than 56 km (Chris
Boardman). However, because of the increasingly exotic design of the
bikes and position of the rider, these performances were no longer
reasonably comparable to Merckx's achievement. In response, the UCIin
2000 required a "traditional" bike to be used. When Boardman had
another go at Merckx's reinstated record 28 years later, he beat it by
slightly more than 10 meters at sea level. On the other hand, Merckx
had raced a full road season winning the Tour, Giro and four Classics,
while Boardman was a time trial specialist who had retired from road
racing and had prepared specifically for the 2000 Hour Record.)
So 28 years and 10 meters...that works out to just less than a
millimeter per day improvement. This is the guy that whupped Eddy in
your mind? That certainly proves the benefits of modern training and
equipment for me!
> As for Merckx's competitive drive, all pros have one. So relax with
> your nonsense. Merckx's competitive drive was so "great" he took dope.
> Wow, that's impressive.
All of them have one, but they are not all alike. Life is funny that
way.
> If Merckx would have "wiped the floor" with today's riders how coome he
> got 7th in the 1977 Tour? How come some guy named Ondrej Sosenka could
> beat him in the ultimate time trial and do it at sea level?
Maybe because he was at the end of his career? Maybe because even
Eddy wasn't Eddy at the end of his career? He was, what?, 32 in '77 -
he was a super man, but he wasn't Superman. Again, from Wiki:
Setbacks and lesser days
The blackest day in Merckx's career was in 1969, when he crashed in a
derny race towards the end of the season. A pacer and a cyclist fell
in front of Merckx's pacer, Fernand Wambst, causing Wambst and Merckx
to crash. His pacer was killed instantly, and Merckx suffered
concussion and fell unconscious. This accident cracked a vertebra and
twisted his pelvis. He admitted in interviews that, because of his
injuries, his riding was never the same. He would frequently adjust
his saddle while riding and would always be in pain, especially while
climbing.
> Face it - Merckx was just a great pro who had the luxury of racing
> against shallow competition. So he dominated the sport. Big whoop.
George Hincapie is a great pro. Boonen is a great pro. Eddy was a
great champion. You? A waste of your pappy's sperm. Don't worry,
I'm sure you'll redeem yourself on the next troll. :)
R
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 12:24:37
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 9, 12:22 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
>
> We're not talking about hypotheticals here because to engage in such a
> conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if
> you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's
> peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode
> against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's.
We're not talking about hypothetical situations so you provide your
hypothetical situation. Good job, Sparky.
R
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 15:36:26
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 9, 12:22 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>We're not talking about hypotheticals here because to engage in such a
>>conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if
>>you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's
>>peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode
>>against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's.
>
>
> We're not talking about hypothetical situations so you provide your
> hypothetical situation. Good job, Sparky.
>
> R
>
It's not really a hypothetical because I said to do the comparison using
average speeds and wattage calculations - objective numbers. That shows
Merckx was not super-human once you crunch those numbers.
Whereas the rest of you jackasses in here want me to compare Merckx to
today's riders using all sorts of created hypothetical variables like
"if Merckx had the same training methods, nutrition, etc." That
involves a lot of hypothetical guess work and suppositions - to which I
reply that Merckx would likely also be a doper.
In fact, Merckx was a doper.
Magilla
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 00:16:52
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> Whereas the rest of you jackasses in here want me to compare Merckx to
> today's riders using all sorts of created hypothetical variables like
> "if Merckx had the same training methods, nutrition, etc." That
> involves a lot of hypothetical guess work and suppositions - to which I
> reply that Merckx would likely also be a doper.
>
You can't compare Merckx to todays riders in the way you want unless you
can have them compete against one another. Restricting Merckx to his
diet and training regimens of the 1960s while permitting the riders
today to modern methods is disingenuous and not a real comparison at
all. Of course Merckx would be a doper, the top riders are all doing
something, but they're mostly clever enough to avoid a paper trail as
momentously long as Fuentes' tomes. Given what we know of Merckx's
wattages and competitive drive, any fair and equivalent comparison would
have him wipe the floor with his competition in any event he put his
mind to, in any era of the sport.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 18:49:07
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>
>> Whereas the rest of you jackasses in here want me to compare Merckx to
>> today's riders using all sorts of created hypothetical variables like
>> "if Merckx had the same training methods, nutrition, etc." That
>> involves a lot of hypothetical guess work and suppositions - to which
>> I reply that Merckx would likely also be a doper.
>>
> You can't compare Merckx to todays riders in the way you want unless you
> can have them compete against one another. Restricting Merckx to his
> diet and training regimens of the 1960s while permitting the riders
> today to modern methods is disingenuous and not a real comparison at
> all. Of course Merckx would be a doper, the top riders are all doing
> something, but they're mostly clever enough to avoid a paper trail as
> momentously long as Fuentes' tomes. Given what we know of Merckx's
> wattages and competitive drive, any fair and equivalent comparison would
> have him wipe the floor with his competition in any event he put his
> mind to, in any era of the sport.
Merckx's hour record was eclipsed by Chris Boardman and Ondrej Sosenka
and Merckx finished 7th in the 1977 Tour de France. That tells us
something about his true wattage. And when we look at his weight, we
can reasonably deduce he wouldn't be flying up the Hors category climbs
in the recent Tours with the lead group based upon a watts/kg estimate.
Merckx also felt the need to set his hour record at an altitude of over
7,500 feet whereas Boardman and Sosenka were men enough to do it at sea
level. I'm surprised Merckx didn't ask NASA to build a velodrome
inside one of the Saturn rocket boosters so he could try to set thhe
hour record while in zero gravity with no atmosphere.
As for Merckx's competitive drive, all pros have one. So relax with
your nonsense. Merckx's competitive drive was so "great" he took dope.
Wow, that's impressive.
If Merckx would have "wiped the floor" with today's riders how coome he
got 7th in the 1977 Tour? How come some guy named Ondrej Sosenka could
beat him in the ultimate time trial and do it at sea level?
Face it - Merckx was just a great pro who had the luxury of racing
against shallow competition. So he dominated the sport. Big whoop.
Magilla
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 06:08:08
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 9, 3:48 am, "GoneBeforeMyTime" <F...@EuroForums.com > wrote:
>
> What's interesting, rbr is the only cycling group which replies number
> sometimes in the hundreds, and sometimes although rare in the thousands. In
> both the Italian and French groups replies are usally always short and to
> the point, and threads rarely have more then a a few dozen replies and
> usually much less, say a dozen is the average, and the Italian group is
> bigger but they have much more posts and they never linger long in any one
> post. It's just not important to them to square off personally with anyone
> for very long. They seem more interested in content then contact.
Where's the fun in that?
R
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 06:06:16
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 9, 2:55 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com >
wrote:
> On 10/8/07 8:51 PM, in article feeqav$4e...@aioe.org, "MagillaGorilla"
>
> <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> > That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles"
> > who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares.
>
> > So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of
> > people in here.
>
> I wear Karma Beads ...
>
> http://www.luckyness.com/display_item.cfm?item_id=28
>
> Yeah ... Lame, I know, but better than LiveStrong BS.
Still, it's a guy wearing a bracelet. Unless you're a gigolo or in a
band and the bracelet is made from hemp, bracelets shouldn't dangle
from a dude. Rolexs are exempt.
R
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 10:19:23
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2:55 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 10/8/07 8:51 PM, in article feeqav$4e...@aioe.org, "MagillaGorilla"
>>
>><magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles"
>>>who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares.
>>
>>>So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of
>>>people in here.
>>
>>I wear Karma Beads ...
>>
>>http://www.luckyness.com/display_item.cfm?item_id=28
>>
>>Yeah ... Lame, I know, but better than LiveStrong BS.
>
>
> Still, it's a guy wearing a bracelet. Unless you're a gigolo or in a
> band and the bracelet is made from hemp, bracelets shouldn't dangle
> from a dude. Rolexs are exempt.
>
> R
>
Nice.
Magilla Gere
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 21:35:42
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 8, 9:14 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
> > Merckx, roughly speaking, was unimaginably dominant in his era.
>
> This is a meaningless, self-fuliflling statement. It fails to state who
> he was beating: junk riders.
>
> You could say the same for any athlete in the 1950's, 1960's.... in
> every sport where objective statistics are kept, no record from the
> 1960's would stand up to elite performances of today. Not in track &
> field, not in swimming, not in weightlifting....
Statistics? WTF? There are a slew of variables that you conveniently
ignore - why do you think the statistics would do anything more than
confuse you? Ask yourself why Eddy would lose his will to win if he
raced now.
Champions refuse to believe other people can beat them and they'll
rise to the challenge. Eddy still looks at riders and thinks, "I
would have kicked his ass." It's a champion's mindset and it is no
surprise that a whiner wouldn't understand it.
R
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 11:50:40
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Oct 8, 9:14 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Merckx, roughly speaking, was unimaginably dominant in his era.
>>
>>This is a meaningless, self-fuliflling statement. It fails to state who
>>he was beating: junk riders.
>>
>>You could say the same for any athlete in the 1950's, 1960's.... in
>>every sport where objective statistics are kept, no record from the
>>1960's would stand up to elite performances of today. Not in track &
>>field, not in swimming, not in weightlifting....
>
>
> Statistics? WTF? There are a slew of variables that you conveniently
> ignore - why do you think the statistics would do anything more than
> confuse you? Ask yourself why Eddy would lose his will to win if he
> raced now.
>
> Champions refuse to believe other people can beat them and they'll
> rise to the challenge. Eddy still looks at riders and thinks, "I
> would have kicked his ass." It's a champion's mindset and it is no
> surprise that a whiner wouldn't understand it.
>
> R
Yeah, okay. That sounds real objective. The only thing missing from
your post is "Jesus died for our sins."
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 19:27:43
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 7, 4:33 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> smokeystrodt...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >>MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> >>>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
> >>>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> >>>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> >>>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
> >>>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>
> >>>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>
> >>Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>
> >>Wayne
>
> > On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
>
> > Smokey
>
> Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
> Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet. Plus, Merckx never had to pass a WADA
> piss test either.
>
> So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his
> positive dope test.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah and all of today's pros are squeaky-clean. Hell, they all ride on
milk and cookies, everyone knows that.
Smokey
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 09:51:32
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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smokeystrodtman wrote:
> Yeah and all of today's pros are squeaky-clean. Hell, they all ride on
> milk and cookies, everyone knows that.
Dumbass,
I put flaxseed oil on my milk and cookies. It tastes almost as
shit as andouillette (and Hampsten won the Gavia stage) but it
works great.
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 10:01:24
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Donald Munro wrote:
> andouillette
Thanks.
Thanks,
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 13:53:20
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 7, 12:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
> > On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo=
.com >
> > wrote:
>
> >>smokeystrodt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>Magilla;
>
> >>>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
> >>>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>
> >>>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
> >>>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
> >>>>1990 Giro di Lazio
> >>>>1991 World Cup Winner
> >>>>1993 Milan - San Remo
> >>>> Fl=E8che Wallone
> >>>> Championship of Zurich
> >>>> Giro dell'Emilia
> >>>> Tirreno - Adriatico
> >>>> GP du Midi Libre
> >>>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
> >>>> World Cup Winner
> >>>>1994 Giro di Lazio
> >>>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>
> >>>>TTFN.
>
> >>>Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
> >>>a bunch of factory workers.
>
> >>>Smokey
>
> >>If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
> >>front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
> >>who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
>
> >>The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
> >>the best female cyclist in the world.
>
> >>You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
> >>competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
>
> > You might be right that Merckx today would not win 500 of 1800 bike rac=
es or
> > come away from all the tours with wins and ALL of the jerseys at any on=
e tour.
> > That level of dominance is over for anyone. Still there's no question h=
e would
> > still be one of the greats.
>
> > Ron
>
> That's like saying if Margaret Court played tennis today she would be
> one of the greats. Absolutely not true.
>
> The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
> athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
> start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>
> He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I can't believe you've got everyone's panties in a bunch with this.
Bet you can't believe it either.
Let's see. No shit Eddy spanked his competition, but just how good
they were, and how deep is debateable, but he was dominant. I'd argue
that they very well might have been competitive, as a group today, IF
they had come up today. I don't think the human physical differences
are as pronounced in cycling as they are in American football. The
players from the 60s were midgets compared to todays athletes.
I think in cycling the biggest difference is in knowledge, training,
and better chemistry. If Eddy had grown up in this age I still think
he'd be a top racer. Maybe not dominant, but pretty damned good.
Until we can catalog performance based on genetic makeup accurately
these projections are useless for anything other than BSing about.
Your still a virtuoso though.
Bill C
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 17:39:14
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Bill C wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:42 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>RonSonic wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>smokeystrodt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Magilla;
>>
>>>>>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
>>>>>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>>
>>>>>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
>>>>>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
>>>>>>1990 Giro di Lazio
>>>>>>1991 World Cup Winner
>>>>>>1993 Milan - San Remo
>>>>>> Flèche Wallone
>>>>>> Championship of Zurich
>>>>>> Giro dell'Emilia
>>>>>> Tirreno - Adriatico
>>>>>> GP du Midi Libre
>>>>>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>>>>> World Cup Winner
>>>>>>1994 Giro di Lazio
>>>>>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>
>>>>>>TTFN.
>>
>>>>>Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
>>>>>a bunch of factory workers.
>>
>>>>>Smokey
>>
>>>>If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
>>>>front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
>>>>who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
>>
>>>>The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
>>>>the best female cyclist in the world.
>>
>>>>You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
>>>>competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
>>
>>>You might be right that Merckx today would not win 500 of 1800 bike races or
>>>come away from all the tours with wins and ALL of the jerseys at any one tour.
>>>That level of dominance is over for anyone. Still there's no question he would
>>>still be one of the greats.
>>
>>>Ron
>>
>>That's like saying if Margaret Court played tennis today she would be
>>one of the greats. Absolutely not true.
>>
>>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>>
>>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>>
>>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> I can't believe you've got everyone's panties in a bunch with this.
> Bet you can't believe it either.
> Let's see. No shit Eddy spanked his competition, but just how good
> they were, and how deep is debateable, but he was dominant. I'd argue
> that they very well might have been competitive, as a group today, IF
> they had come up today. I don't think the human physical differences
> are as pronounced in cycling as they are in American football. The
> players from the 60s were midgets compared to todays athletes.
> I think in cycling the biggest difference is in knowledge, training,
> and better chemistry. If Eddy had grown up in this age I still think
> he'd be a top racer. Maybe not dominant, but pretty damned good.
> Until we can catalog performance based on genetic makeup accurately
> these projections are useless for anything other than BSing about.
> Your still a virtuoso though.
> Bill C
>
If Eddy Merckx grew up today, his dog's name would appear in the
Operacion Puerto dossier and he'd be fired from T-Mobile.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 13:46:11
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com > wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> > The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
> > athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> > single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> > "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
> > start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>
> > He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>
> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>
> Wayne
On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
Smokey
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 05:55:21
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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In article <1191789971.685010.284460@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >
> > > The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
> > > athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> > > single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> > > "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
> > > start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
> >
> > > He wasn't racing against today's pros.
> >
> > Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
> >
> > Wayne
>
> On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
>
> Smokey
Ondrej Sosenka and Chris Boardman.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 17:33:14
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>>>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>>>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>>>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>>>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>>
>>>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>>
>>Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>
>>Wayne
>
>
> On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
>
> Smokey
>
Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet. Plus, Merckx never had to pass a WADA
piss test either.
So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his
positive dope test.
Magilla
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 08:25:01
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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In article <febjar$g5p$1@aioe.org >,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >>MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
> >>>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> >>>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> >>>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
> >>>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
> >>
> >>>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
> >>
> >>Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
> >>
> >>Wayne
> >
> >
> > On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
> >
> > Smokey
> >
>
> Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
> Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet. Plus, Merckx never had to pass a WADA
> piss test either.
>
> So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his
> positive dope test.
As somebody (RJ?) mentioned up thread, take a racer
at the end of the season, send him to Mexico City,
or Bogota or Kathmandu and let him ride for an hour
on a seventies bicycle.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 10:29:06
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:33:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com >
wrote:
>smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>>>>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>>>>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>>>>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>>>>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>>>
>>>>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>>>
>>>Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>>
>>>Wayne
>>
>>
>> On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
>>
>> Smokey
>>
>
>Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
>Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet.
As if Mexico City were responsible for either. The fact is, nobody's taking on
the Merckx record and there's a real good reason for that.
>So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his
>positive dope test.
You just did.
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 19:42:17
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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In article <cjfkg35f034a2484us4ivs55fkdpkei0s8@4ax.com >,
Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:33:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
> >>>>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> >>>>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> >>>>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
> >>>>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
> >>>
> >>>>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
> >>>
> >>>Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
> >>>
> >>>Wayne
> >>
> >>
> >> On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
> >>
> >> Smokey
> >>
> >
> >Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
> >Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet.
>
> As if Mexico City were responsible for either. The fact is, nobody's taking on
> the Merckx record and there's a real good reason for that.
Argh. It kills me to support Magilla's side of this dumb-ass argument,
but both Boardman and the mysterious Ondrej Sosenka have managed to take
the UCI Hour Record (aka "Athlete's Hour") from Merckx.
http://www.wolfgang-menn.de/sosenka.htm
Sosenka did some weird stuff, like riding a 10-kilo bike (!) including a
3.2 kg rear wheel (!!), but the aero profile of the bike is clearly
within perfectly legit UCI parameters.
> >So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his
> >positive dope test.
>
> You just did.
No matter what the dumb ape says, Merckx' dominance came at a time when
cycling was much more important, relative to other sports, than it is
today. There was less money in all sports (no ESPN or Eurosport) but if
you were a strong cardio athlete in Europe, you'd go into cycling.
The water-carriers may have been part-time factory workers, but Ocana,
among others, never punched a clock in his life. Which is not to say he
had a happy life, mind you....
Indeed, here's the challenge for our Old World simian: name the best
rider who raced against Merckx but needed a non-cycling job to put food
on the table.
Meanwhile, Merckx raced against riders who had the classics as their
strength, and beat them. He raced against GC riders, and betwen 1968 and
1974 won 11 grand tours, picked up 9 subcategory victories (mountains
and points; this doesn't count combination categories, or his virtual
young-rider wins).
Merckx, roughly speaking, was unimaginably dominant in his era.
Lance is the best of his era. He went after the most prestigious race in
cycling 7 times, and beat credible challengers (when they weren't on E,
that is). But he never even tried winning the other two GTs, and his
attempt at the hour record was aborted after considerable prep, almost
certainly because he didn't have the watts to do it.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 21:14:44
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <cjfkg35f034a2484us4ivs55fkdpkei0s8@4ax.com>,
> Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:33:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>>>>>>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>>>>>>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>>>>>>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>>>>>>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>>>>>
>>>>>>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>>>>>
>>>>>Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>>>>
>>>>>Wayne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
>>>>
>>>>Smokey
>>>>
>>>
>>>Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
>>>Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet.
<snip >
>
> Merckx, roughly speaking, was unimaginably dominant in his era.
>
This is a meaningless, self-fuliflling statement. It fails to state who
he was beating: junk riders.
You could say the same for any athlete in the 1950's, 1960's.... in
every sport where objective statistics are kept, no record from the
1960's would stand up to elite performances of today. Not in track &
field, not in swimming, not in weightlifting....
But you would have everyone believe cycling is different, when in fact
it's not.
You're one of these people who has built a delusional foundation in
their mind that Merckx could ride off the front in today's peloton...but
anyone who follows the spport closely knows Merckx wouldn't even be top
10 in the Tour de France if he rode today.
Merckx was simply better than his competitors - that doesn't tell us
anything about how great he was unless we take a close look at WHO he
was beating. We do know his competitors were nowhere near as good as
the riders are today.
For Christ's sake, the pros in 1985 rode the Philly USPRO race 40
minutes slower than they do today...same fucking course. In the late
1960's when Merckx rode they probably would have taken 7 hours to finish
Philly, and Merckx would have finished 10 minutes ahead of them.
Or are you going to telll me the pros went faster in the 1960's than
they did in the 1980's or 90's?
Go take a look at the average speed of the Tour de France..in the 1960's
they rode a pussy pace and Merckx had the tightest pussy. But he was
still loose by today's standards.
Magilla
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 07:57:20
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
>
> You're one of these people who has built a delusional foundation in
> their mind that Merckx could ride off the front in today's peloton...but
> anyone who follows the spport closely knows Merckx wouldn't even be top
> 10 in the Tour de France if he rode today.
>
> Merckx was simply better than his competitors - that doesn't tell us
> anything about how great he was unless we take a close look at WHO he
> was beating. We do know his competitors were nowhere near as good as
> the riders are today.
>
Your insistence on comparing riders of the past with riders of today is
completely without merit. Do you think if Eddy Merckx raced today he
would eschew modern training methods for his approach of riding across
Belgium and then sleeping on the train on way back? Nonsense. In the era
of specialization Eddy wouldn't be as dominant as he was in his day, but
he would be better at the races he targets than any rider currently
riding, all training methods and nutritional advances being equal. His
natural talent was likely greater than Lance's and he had equal focus on
winning. He would still be the Cannibal.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 11:52:17
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>
>>
>> You're one of these people who has built a delusional foundation in
>> their mind that Merckx could ride off the front in today's
>> peloton...but anyone who follows the spport closely knows Merckx
>> wouldn't even be top 10 in the Tour de France if he rode today.
>>
>> Merckx was simply better than his competitors - that doesn't tell us
>> anything about how great he was unless we take a close look at WHO he
>> was beating. We do know his competitors were nowhere near as good as
>> the riders are today.
>>
> Your insistence on comparing riders of the past with riders of today is
> completely without merit. Do you think if Eddy Merckx raced today he
> would eschew modern training methods for his approach of riding across
> Belgium and then sleeping on the train on way back? Nonsense. In the era
> of specialization Eddy wouldn't be as dominant as he was in his day, but
> he would be better at the races he targets than any rider currently
> riding, all training methods and nutritional advances being equal. His
> natural talent was likely greater than Lance's and he had equal focus on
> winning. He would still be the Cannibal.
If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 00:15:52
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:52:17 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com >
wrote:
>Kyle Legate wrote:
>
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> You're one of these people who has built a delusional foundation in
>>> their mind that Merckx could ride off the front in today's
>>> peloton...but anyone who follows the spport closely knows Merckx
>>> wouldn't even be top 10 in the Tour de France if he rode today.
>>>
>>> Merckx was simply better than his competitors - that doesn't tell us
>>> anything about how great he was unless we take a close look at WHO he
>>> was beating. We do know his competitors were nowhere near as good as
>>> the riders are today.
>>>
>> Your insistence on comparing riders of the past with riders of today is
>> completely without merit. Do you think if Eddy Merckx raced today he
>> would eschew modern training methods for his approach of riding across
>> Belgium and then sleeping on the train on way back? Nonsense. In the era
>> of specialization Eddy wouldn't be as dominant as he was in his day, but
>> he would be better at the races he targets than any rider currently
>> riding, all training methods and nutritional advances being equal. His
>> natural talent was likely greater than Lance's and he had equal focus on
>> winning. He would still be the Cannibal.
>
>
>If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
>his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
Or, he'd win 7 Tours, 4 Giros and 3 Vueltas, nobody'd ever prove anything but
hurt themselves hating him. There'd be headlines in l'Equippe and a million
frothing laffertys and still he'd keep winning.
It really is just as plausible.
Ron
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 08:38:58
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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In article <feg83h$jb1$2@aioe.org >,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Kyle Legate wrote:
>
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> You're one of these people who has built a delusional foundation in
> >> their mind that Merckx could ride off the front in today's
> >> peloton...but anyone who follows the spport closely knows Merckx
> >> wouldn't even be top 10 in the Tour de France if he rode today.
> >>
> >> Merckx was simply better than his competitors - that doesn't tell us
> >> anything about how great he was unless we take a close look at WHO he
> >> was beating. We do know his competitors were nowhere near as good as
> >> the riders are today.
> >>
> > Your insistence on comparing riders of the past with riders of today is
> > completely without merit. Do you think if Eddy Merckx raced today he
> > would eschew modern training methods for his approach of riding across
> > Belgium and then sleeping on the train on way back? Nonsense. In the era
> > of specialization Eddy wouldn't be as dominant as he was in his day, but
> > he would be better at the races he targets than any rider currently
> > riding, all training methods and nutritional advances being equal. His
> > natural talent was likely greater than Lance's and he had equal focus on
> > winning. He would still be the Cannibal.
>
>
> If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
> his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
And your point is ...
--
Michael Press
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 11:10:20
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
> his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
Dumbass,
The adaptation of that particular training method for cycling
was pioneered right here in the USA.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 21:00:44
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
>> his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> The adaptation of that particular training method for cycling
> was pioneered right here in the USA.
Tugboat, the pioneer.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 20:33:28
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:470bcfdb$0$2983$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>> If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
>>> his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
>
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> The adaptation of that particular training method for cycling
>> was pioneered right here in the USA.
>
> Tugboat, the pioneer.
>
VDB's dog was on Clenbuterol back in '02
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 23:37:08
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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In article <3_VOi.13560$495.12838@newsfe22.lga >, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:
> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:470bcfdb$0$2983$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >>> If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
> >>> his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
> >
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
> >> The adaptation of that particular training method for cycling
> >> was pioneered right here in the USA.
> >
> > Tugboat, the pioneer.
> >
>
> VDB's dog was on Clenbuterol back in '02
VDB's dog is probably on Zoloft by now. Or should be.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 19:56:09
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Donald Munro wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>> If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training methods,
>>> his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
>
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> The adaptation of that particular training method for cycling
>> was pioneered right here in the USA.
>
> Tugboat, the pioneer.
The guy most closely associated with the early days of blood
doping was named Lassie. Sort of.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 10:27:16
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> The guy most closely associated with the early days of blood
> doping was named Lassie. Sort of.
And he outdid LANCE at peaking. He only peaked every 4 years and
won everything when he peaked. However Magilla would probably
argue he'd be useless next to modern Kenyans and Ethiopians.
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 13:48:32
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
>>The guy most closely associated with the early days of blood
>>doping was named Lassie. Sort of.
>
>
> And he outdid LANCE at peaking. He only peaked every 4 years and
> won everything when he peaked. However Magilla would probably
> argue he'd be useless next to modern Kenyans and Ethiopians.
Hey loser,
Track events are timed events, dumbass. The record books show Lasse
would be useless against today's Ethiopiens and Kenyans. It's not a
matter of my opinion. It's a fact.
Magilla
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 20:57:46
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Hey loser,
>
> Track events are timed events, dumbass.
You seem to feel very strongly about this stuff. Have you considered
getting out more ? I'm sure Tammy Thomas might find a gorilla sexy.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 14:21:05
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> If Eddy Merckx trained today and used modern European training
>> methods, his dog's name would appear in the Operacion Puerto dossier.
>
>
> Dumbass,
>
> The adaptation of that particular training method for cycling
> was pioneered right here in the USA.
>
> Bob Schwartz
Blood doping for increased athletic performance was likely pioneered in
Europe back in the 1960's...well before Lasse Viren's handlers perfected
it for him in the '72 Munich Games.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 17:58:14
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <cjfkg35f034a2484us4ivs55fkdpkei0s8@4ax.com>,
> Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:33:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>>>>>> athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>>>>>> single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>>>>>> "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>>>>>> start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>>>>>> He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>>>>> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>> On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
>>>>
>>>> Smokey
>>>>
>>> Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
>>> Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet.
>> As if Mexico City were responsible for either. The fact is, nobody's taking on
>> the Merckx record and there's a real good reason for that.
>
> Argh. It kills me to support Magilla's side of this dumb-ass argument,
> but both Boardman and the mysterious Ondrej Sosenka have managed to take
> the UCI Hour Record (aka "Athlete's Hour") from Merckx.
>
> http://www.wolfgang-menn.de/sosenka.htm
>
> Sosenka did some weird stuff, like riding a 10-kilo bike (!) including a
> 3.2 kg rear wheel (!!), but the aero profile of the bike is clearly
> within perfectly legit UCI parameters.
>
>>> So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into his
>>> positive dope test.
>> You just did.
>
> No matter what the dumb ape says, Merckx' dominance came at a time when
> cycling was much more important, relative to other sports, than it is
> today. There was less money in all sports (no ESPN or Eurosport) but if
> you were a strong cardio athlete in Europe, you'd go into cycling.
>
> The water-carriers may have been part-time factory workers, but Ocana,
> among others, never punched a clock in his life. Which is not to say he
> had a happy life, mind you....
>
> Indeed, here's the challenge for our Old World simian: name the best
> rider who raced against Merckx but needed a non-cycling job to put food
> on the table.
I'd love to hear this one. Was this as a pro?
Steve
>
> Meanwhile, Merckx raced against riders who had the classics as their
> strength, and beat them. He raced against GC riders, and betwen 1968 and
> 1974 won 11 grand tours, picked up 9 subcategory victories (mountains
> and points; this doesn't count combination categories, or his virtual
> young-rider wins).
>
> Merckx, roughly speaking, was unimaginably dominant in his era.
>
> Lance is the best of his era. He went after the most prestigious race in
> cycling 7 times, and beat credible challengers (when they weren't on E,
> that is). But he never even tried winning the other two GTs, and his
> attempt at the hour record was aborted after considerable prep, almost
> certainly because he didn't have the watts to do it.
>
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 15:25:05
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinmung@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:13gla04rfk1bq4d@corp.supernews.com...
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > In article <cjfkg35f034a2484us4ivs55fkdpkei0s8@4ax.com>,
> > Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:33:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla
<magilla@sandiegozoo.com >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 7, 3:25 pm, Wayne Pein <wp...@nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to
today's
> >>>>>> athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> >>>>>> single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> >>>>>> "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took
the
> >>>>>> start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
> >>>>>> He wasn't racing against today's pros.
> >>>>> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wayne
> >>>>
> >>>> On a standard bicycle remember, not one of the "superman" jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Smokey
> >>>>
> >>> Merckx set his hour record at altitude in Mexico City...the same place
> >>> Bob Beamon jumped over 29 feet.
> >> As if Mexico City were responsible for either. The fact is, nobody's
taking on
> >> the Merckx record and there's a real good reason for that.
> >
> > Argh. It kills me to support Magilla's side of this dumb-ass argument,
> > but both Boardman and the mysterious Ondrej Sosenka have managed to take
> > the UCI Hour Record (aka "Athlete's Hour") from Merckx.
> >
> > http://www.wolfgang-menn.de/sosenka.htm
> >
> > Sosenka did some weird stuff, like riding a 10-kilo bike (!) including a
> > 3.2 kg rear wheel (!!), but the aero profile of the bike is clearly
> > within perfectly legit UCI parameters.
> >
> >>> So be careful when you try to glorify Merckx. I won't even get into
his
> >>> positive dope test.
> >> You just did.
> >
> > No matter what the dumb ape says, Merckx' dominance came at a time when
> > cycling was much more important, relative to other sports, than it is
> > today. There was less money in all sports (no ESPN or Eurosport) but if
> > you were a strong cardio athlete in Europe, you'd go into cycling.
> >
> > The water-carriers may have been part-time factory workers, but Ocana,
> > among others, never punched a clock in his life. Which is not to say he
> > had a happy life, mind you....
> >
> > Indeed, here's the challenge for our Old World simian: name the best
> > rider who raced against Merckx but needed a non-cycling job to put food
> > on the table.
>
>
> I'd love to hear this one. Was this as a pro?
>
> Steve
Another question for Professor Maso. :-)
>
> >
> > Meanwhile, Merckx raced against riders who had the classics as their
> > strength, and beat them. He raced against GC riders, and betwen 1968 and
> > 1974 won 11 grand tours, picked up 9 subcategory victories (mountains
> > and points; this doesn't count combination categories, or his virtual
> > young-rider wins).
> >
> > Merckx, roughly speaking, was unimaginably dominant in his era.
> >
> > Lance is the best of his era. He went after the most prestigious race in
> > cycling 7 times, and beat credible challengers (when they weren't on E,
> > that is). But he never even tried winning the other two GTs, and his
> > attempt at the hour record was aborted after considerable prep, almost
> > certainly because he didn't have the watts to do it.
> >
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 08:13:02
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 7, 3:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
>
> Lance is wrong. He probably says it out of some misguided Euro-thing
> because if he didn't say that he would piss off 15 million zealots in
> Europe. In this respect, Lance is the consummate politician.
>
> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>
> Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
> wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
> head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime, Merckx
> would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>
> Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
> compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
How many variables are you comfortable ignoring? It seems limitless.
> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
> today he wouldn't be jack.
>
> You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
> Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do. There's no
> other fucking analyis that goes into it other than repeating that Jesus
> was the son of God simply because you MUST believe that. Your parents
> told you it's true and that's all the prooof you need.
>
> But smart people know that Jesus and God just aren't reality. They're
> just some fucked up fantasy society made up thousands of years ago to
> help them deal with death, misery, and is perpetuated to this day by
> idiots who can't think for themselves.
You have no proof either way. The ability to be certain in the face
of a staggering lack of information is precious. Don't ever change.
> A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins and your entire belief
> system is hardly more complex than repeating myths you've heard others
> say. There's no independent analysis and your entire argument and logic
> sounds like someone in the Manson Family car on the way to Sharon Tate's
> house.
It's nice that you can sound so confident about something entirely
conjectural. While you're on the winning streak, why not surmise what
exactly you'd be if your grandmother had testicles? ...or you, for
that matter.
R
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 08:07:59
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 7, 12:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>
> Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
> wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
> head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime, Merckx
> would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>
> Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
> compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
Ape of the Century,
Eddy Merckx never raced up l'Alpe d'Huez in his prime.
It was used in the 1952 Tour and the stage was won by
Coppi (who presumably also you'd point out was not a
patch on LANCE, but had much more style, admit it).
L'Alpe did not reappear in the Tour until 1976, when
Joop Zoetemelk won the stage. Merckx did not ride
the 1976 Tour; his Tour career was already on its way
out, as his last Tour victory was in 1974. In 1975
he finished 2nd and got punched in the kidney.
In 1977 the Tour went up L'Alpe and Merckx rode it;
I don't know his time, but he finished 6th in the Tour.
It was the last Tour he rode, and he retired in 1978.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez
Of course, maybe you were talking about Axel Merckx's
time up L'Alpe. I don't know that either.
It is interesting that LANCE's best time on L'Alpe
is usually given as 37:36 (in an ITT, not at the end
of a long stage) and Coppi's 1952 time is claimed to
have been 45:22. 8 minutes difference is an eternity
in bike racing, but when Coppi rode it, the road wasn't
even paved.
> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
> today he wouldn't be jack.
This cuts to the chase. Who cares who did the fastest
time up Alpe d'Huez? You ride against the other people
in the race, not some clock or a number in a record
book. That's for triathletes. All this stuff about
what would happen if Eddy raced now or LANCE raced
then is for people who spend too much time playing
fantasy baseball.
> You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
> Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do.
I believe in Jesus. I think I met him the other day at
work - I live in Arizona and there's several tens of
thousands of people named Jesus.
> A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins
I have to admit that the phrase "dumb as napkins"
redeems your entire post for me.
Ben
dumb as the Brawny paper towel guy
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 17:52:51
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
>> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>>
>> Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
>> wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
>> head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime, Merckx
>> would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>>
>> Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
>> compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
>
> Ape of the Century,
>
> Eddy Merckx never raced up l'Alpe d'Huez in his prime.
> It was used in the 1952 Tour and the stage was won by
> Coppi (who presumably also you'd point out was not a
> patch on LANCE, but had much more style, admit it).
> L'Alpe did not reappear in the Tour until 1976, when
> Joop Zoetemelk won the stage. Merckx did not ride
> the 1976 Tour; his Tour career was already on its way
> out, as his last Tour victory was in 1974. In 1975
> he finished 2nd and got punched in the kidney.
> In 1977 the Tour went up L'Alpe and Merckx rode it;
> I don't know his time, but he finished 6th in the Tour.
> It was the last Tour he rode, and he retired in 1978.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez
>
> Of course, maybe you were talking about Axel Merckx's
> time up L'Alpe. I don't know that either.
>
> It is interesting that LANCE's best time on L'Alpe
> is usually given as 37:36 (in an ITT, not at the end
> of a long stage) and Coppi's 1952 time is claimed to
> have been 45:22. 8 minutes difference is an eternity
> in bike racing, but when Coppi rode it, the road wasn't
> even paved.
>
>> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
>> today he wouldn't be jack.
>
> This cuts to the chase. Who cares who did the fastest
> time up Alpe d'Huez? You ride against the other people
> in the race, not some clock or a number in a record
> book. That's for triathletes. All this stuff about
> what would happen if Eddy raced now or LANCE raced
> then is for people who spend too much time playing
> fantasy baseball.
>
>> You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
>> Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do.
>
> I believe in Jesus. I think I met him the other day at
> work - I live in Arizona and there's several tens of
> thousands of people named Jesus.
>
>> A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins
>
> I have to admit that the phrase "dumb as napkins"
> redeems your entire post for me.
>
> Ben
> dumb as the Brawny paper towel guy
>
Ben--
You didn't hear about all the genetic engineering done on competitive
cyclists in the past 30 years since Merckx retired?
Steve
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 21:42:24
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>
>> On Oct 7, 12:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
>>> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>>>
>>> Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
>>> wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
>>> head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime, Merckx
>>> would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>>>
>>> Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
>>> compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
>>
>>
>> Ape of the Century,
>>
>> Eddy Merckx never raced up l'Alpe d'Huez in his prime.
>> It was used in the 1952 Tour and the stage was won by
>> Coppi (who presumably also you'd point out was not a
>> patch on LANCE, but had much more style, admit it).
>> L'Alpe did not reappear in the Tour until 1976, when
>> Joop Zoetemelk won the stage. Merckx did not ride
>> the 1976 Tour; his Tour career was already on its way
>> out, as his last Tour victory was in 1974. In 1975
>> he finished 2nd and got punched in the kidney.
>> In 1977 the Tour went up L'Alpe and Merckx rode it;
>> I don't know his time, but he finished 6th in the Tour.
>> It was the last Tour he rode, and he retired in 1978.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez
>>
>> Of course, maybe you were talking about Axel Merckx's
>> time up L'Alpe. I don't know that either.
>>
>> It is interesting that LANCE's best time on L'Alpe
>> is usually given as 37:36 (in an ITT, not at the end
>> of a long stage) and Coppi's 1952 time is claimed to
>> have been 45:22. 8 minutes difference is an eternity
>> in bike racing, but when Coppi rode it, the road wasn't
>> even paved.
>>
>>> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
>>> today he wouldn't be jack.
>>
>>
>> This cuts to the chase. Who cares who did the fastest
>> time up Alpe d'Huez? You ride against the other people
>> in the race, not some clock or a number in a record
>> book. That's for triathletes. All this stuff about
>> what would happen if Eddy raced now or LANCE raced
>> then is for people who spend too much time playing
>> fantasy baseball.
>>
>>> You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
>>> Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do.
>>
>>
>> I believe in Jesus. I think I met him the other day at
>> work - I live in Arizona and there's several tens of
>> thousands of people named Jesus.
>>
>>> A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins
>>
>>
>> I have to admit that the phrase "dumb as napkins"
>> redeems your entire post for me.
>>
>> Ben
>> dumb as the Brawny paper towel guy
>>
>
>
> Ben--
>
> You didn't hear about all the genetic engineering done on
> competitive cyclists in the past 30 years since Merckx retired?
>
> Steve
Not genetic engineering, but better genes due to a larger gene pool.
Did you skip Watson & Crick statistics in college? It's a numbers game
and it's repeated throughout every sport that keeps objective statistics
like track & field, weightlifting, and swimming.
Or do you think the track stars, weight lifters, and swimmers from the
1960's are just as good as the top athletes in those sports today?
So your little genetic engineering jab doesn't really hold water, now
does it?
Magilla
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 08:02:18
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> Not genetic engineering, but better genes due to a larger gene pool.
>
The increase in the size of the gene pool is largely attributed to
population explosions in undeveloped countries, which don't have a
cycling culture. The size of the gene pool in Europe is the same as it
was in the 1960s. By your argument the Chinese should soon start kicking
the Belgians' asses in every race they enter. Come back in ten years and
eat crow.
Really, the quality of your troll has slipped dramatically in this
thread. At least try to keep up the appearance of credibility.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 12:09:10
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Kyle Legate wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>
>> Not genetic engineering, but better genes due to a larger gene pool.
>
> The increase in the size of the gene pool is largely attributed to
> population explosions in undeveloped countries, which don't have a
> cycling culture. The size of the gene pool in Europe is the same as it
> was in the 1960s. By your argument the Chinese should soon start kicking
> the Belgians' asses in every race they enter. Come back in ten years and
> eat crow.
>
> Really, the quality of your troll has slipped dramatically in this
> thread. At least try to keep up the appearance of credibility.
Well, if you notice, China has the best hurdler in the world right now.
As for gene pools being the same now as they were in the 1960's, it's
simply not true. With an increase in population size, the gene pool
also increases.
It's probably the main reason why Americans have won more Tours than any
other nation since focusing on cycling.
As for explaining why China isn't dominant given their population size,
a lot of that has to be attributed to political and socio-econonmic
conditions that are not conducive to developing that gene pool. Use
your fucking head.
And another condition might be that the genes for Chinese population
might simply result in an inferior phenotype to those of Europeans for
any given sport.
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 22:30:18
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>
>> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 7, 12:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
>>>> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>>>>
>>>> Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
>>>> wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
>>>> head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime,
>>>> Merckx
>>>> would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>>>>
>>>> Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
>>>> compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ape of the Century,
>>>
>>> Eddy Merckx never raced up l'Alpe d'Huez in his prime.
>>> It was used in the 1952 Tour and the stage was won by
>>> Coppi (who presumably also you'd point out was not a
>>> patch on LANCE, but had much more style, admit it).
>>> L'Alpe did not reappear in the Tour until 1976, when
>>> Joop Zoetemelk won the stage. Merckx did not ride
>>> the 1976 Tour; his Tour career was already on its way
>>> out, as his last Tour victory was in 1974. In 1975
>>> he finished 2nd and got punched in the kidney.
>>> In 1977 the Tour went up L'Alpe and Merckx rode it;
>>> I don't know his time, but he finished 6th in the Tour.
>>> It was the last Tour he rode, and he retired in 1978.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez
>>>
>>> Of course, maybe you were talking about Axel Merckx's
>>> time up L'Alpe. I don't know that either.
>>>
>>> It is interesting that LANCE's best time on L'Alpe
>>> is usually given as 37:36 (in an ITT, not at the end
>>> of a long stage) and Coppi's 1952 time is claimed to
>>> have been 45:22. 8 minutes difference is an eternity
>>> in bike racing, but when Coppi rode it, the road wasn't
>>> even paved.
>>>
>>>> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
>>>> today he wouldn't be jack.
>>>
>>>
>>> This cuts to the chase. Who cares who did the fastest
>>> time up Alpe d'Huez? You ride against the other people
>>> in the race, not some clock or a number in a record
>>> book. That's for triathletes. All this stuff about
>>> what would happen if Eddy raced now or LANCE raced
>>> then is for people who spend too much time playing
>>> fantasy baseball.
>>>
>>>> You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
>>>> Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe in Jesus. I think I met him the other day at
>>> work - I live in Arizona and there's several tens of
>>> thousands of people named Jesus.
>>>
>>>> A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins
>>>
>>>
>>> I have to admit that the phrase "dumb as napkins"
>>> redeems your entire post for me.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>> dumb as the Brawny paper towel guy
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ben--
>>
>> You didn't hear about all the genetic engineering done on
>> competitive cyclists in the past 30 years since Merckx retired?
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> Not genetic engineering, but better genes due to a larger gene pool. Did
> you skip Watson & Crick statistics in college? It's a numbers game and
> it's repeated throughout every sport that keeps objective statistics
> like track & field, weightlifting, and swimming.
>
> Or do you think the track stars, weight lifters, and swimmers from the
> 1960's are just as good as the top athletes in those sports today?
>
> So your little genetic engineering jab doesn't really hold water, now
> does it?
>
> Magilla
The gene pool has expanded to the extent that countries that did not
compete back then can and do now. I'd say that drugs rather than a hugh
gene pool were responsible for the sudden success of Chinese female
swimmers a few years back. Their prominence faded as soon as drug
testing was instituted.
Of course, cycling was a fringe sport in the U.S. for many years, but
track cycling was big time a century ago, including organized betting.
So it's quite likely that if Frank Kramer or Major Taylor were to
return, they might be even more dominant today.
Steve
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 23:03:48
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>>
>>> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 7, 12:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
>>>>> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
>>>>> wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
>>>>> head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime,
>>>>> Merckx
>>>>> would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as
>>>>> molasses
>>>>> compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ape of the Century,
>>>>
>>>> Eddy Merckx never raced up l'Alpe d'Huez in his prime.
>>>> It was used in the 1952 Tour and the stage was won by
>>>> Coppi (who presumably also you'd point out was not a
>>>> patch on LANCE, but had much more style, admit it).
>>>> L'Alpe did not reappear in the Tour until 1976, when
>>>> Joop Zoetemelk won the stage. Merckx did not ride
>>>> the 1976 Tour; his Tour career was already on its way
>>>> out, as his last Tour victory was in 1974. In 1975
>>>> he finished 2nd and got punched in the kidney.
>>>> In 1977 the Tour went up L'Alpe and Merckx rode it;
>>>> I don't know his time, but he finished 6th in the Tour.
>>>> It was the last Tour he rode, and he retired in 1978.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez
>>>>
>>>> Of course, maybe you were talking about Axel Merckx's
>>>> time up L'Alpe. I don't know that either.
>>>>
>>>> It is interesting that LANCE's best time on L'Alpe
>>>> is usually given as 37:36 (in an ITT, not at the end
>>>> of a long stage) and Coppi's 1952 time is claimed to
>>>> have been 45:22. 8 minutes difference is an eternity
>>>> in bike racing, but when Coppi rode it, the road wasn't
>>>> even paved.
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
>>>>> today he wouldn't be jack.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This cuts to the chase. Who cares who did the fastest
>>>> time up Alpe d'Huez? You ride against the other people
>>>> in the race, not some clock or a number in a record
>>>> book. That's for triathletes. All this stuff about
>>>> what would happen if Eddy raced now or LANCE raced
>>>> then is for people who spend too much time playing
>>>> fantasy baseball.
>>>>
>>>>> You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
>>>>> Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe in Jesus. I think I met him the other day at
>>>> work - I live in Arizona and there's several tens of
>>>> thousands of people named Jesus.
>>>>
>>>>> A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to admit that the phrase "dumb as napkins"
>>>> redeems your entire post for me.
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>> dumb as the Brawny paper towel guy
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben--
>>>
>>> You didn't hear about all the genetic engineering done on
>>> competitive cyclists in the past 30 years since Merckx retired?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> Not genetic engineering, but better genes due to a larger gene pool.
>> Did you skip Watson & Crick statistics in college? It's a numbers
>> game and it's repeated throughout every sport that keeps objective
>> statistics like track & field, weightlifting, and swimming.
>>
>> Or do you think the track stars, weight lifters, and swimmers from the
>> 1960's are just as good as the top athletes in those sports today?
>>
>> So your little genetic engineering jab doesn't really hold water, now
>> does it?
>>
>> Magilla
>
>
>
> The gene pool has expanded to the extent that countries that did not
> compete back then can and do now. I'd say that drugs rather than a hugh
> gene pool were responsible for the sudden success of Chinese female
> swimmers a few years back. Their prominence faded as soon as drug
> testing was instituted.
> Of course, cycling was a fringe sport in the U.S. for many years,
> but track cycling was big time a century ago, including organized
> betting. So it's quite likely that if Frank Kramer or Major Taylor were
> to return, they might be even more dominant today.
>
> Steve
In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field,
weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would
get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports.
Why would cycling be any different?
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 23:00:45
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <feer2k$6fa$1@aioe.org >, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field,
> weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would
> get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports.
What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different
phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training
methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of
themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and
had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a
comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day
athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of
the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 12:22:07
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <feer2k$6fa$1@aioe.org>, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field,
>>weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would
>>get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports.
>
>
> What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different
> phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training
> methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of
> themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and
> had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a
> comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day
> athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of
> the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison.
>
All you Merckx lovers crack me up.
We're not talking about hypotheticals here because to engage in such a
conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if
you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's
peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode
against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's.
This comparison can be objectivbely done simply by looking at average
speeds and doing wattage calculations.
I'm not saying Merckx wouldn't be a pro-level rider today. All I'm
saying is he wouldn't be riding off the front today like he did in the
1960's. Given the specialization of sprinters and Tour riders in
today's pro peloton, it's pretty obvious Merckx - an all-arounder -
would likely be just another rider on T-Mobile if he rode today.
And he'd probably be a major doper today given that he doped in the 1960's.
Take that all you Merckx lovers.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 08:11:09
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <feg9rf$pc8$1@aioe.org >,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
>
> > In article <feer2k$6fa$1@aioe.org>, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field,
> >>weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would
> >>get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports.
> >
> >
> > What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different
> > phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training
> > methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of
> > themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and
> > had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a
> > comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day
> > athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of
> > the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison.
> >
>
>
> All you Merckx lovers crack me up.
>
> We're not talking about hypotheticals here
Yes, we are. You are. Try to deny it.
I'll just slip back in the barca lounger
while you work out this one.
> because to engage in such a
> conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if
> you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's
> peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode
> against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's.
>
> This comparison can be objectivbely done simply by looking at average
> speeds and doing wattage calculations.
>
> I'm not saying Merckx wouldn't be a pro-level rider today. All I'm
> saying is he wouldn't be riding off the front today like he did in the
> 1960's. Given the specialization of sprinters and Tour riders in
> today's pro peloton, it's pretty obvious Merckx - an all-arounder -
> would likely be just another rider on T-Mobile if he rode today.
>
> And he'd probably be a major doper today given that he doped in the 1960's.
>
> Take that all you Merckx lovers.
Eddy Merckx was a champion. He was a champion in 1970.
He is a champion today. He would be a champion in any age.
I left out some verb conjugations, but you get the idea.
Rhetoric thrives on repetition, but only the right amount.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 11:56:11
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article <feg9rf$pc8$1@aioe.org>,
> MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Howard Kveck wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <feer2k$6fa$1@aioe.org>, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In all sports with decades of competitive history - track & field,
>>>>weightlifting, swimming - the athletes from the 1960's and 1970's would
>>>>get their ass kicked by today's elite athletes in those very same sports.
>>>
>>>
>>> What makes you think that the athletes of earlier eras are any different
>>>phyiscally from athletes of today? The big difference, it seems to me, are training
>>>methods and nutrition. The things that allow an athlete to ge the most out of
>>>themselves... I'd think that if one of those athletes was transferred to today and
>>>had time to grow up and the chance to train like they do now (to make it as "equal" a
>>>comparison as possible), they'd be just as effective and fast as present day
>>>athletes. Yeah, it's all very Quantum Leap, but I think you've missed this aspect of
>>>the impossible-to-prove cross generational jock comparison.
>>>
>>
>>
>>All you Merckx lovers crack me up.
>>
>>We're not talking about hypotheticals here
>
>
> Yes, we are. You are. Try to deny it.
> I'll just slip back in the barca lounger
> while you work out this one.
>
>
>>because to engage in such a
>>conversation would be frivolous and inaccurate. What I'm saying is if
>>you took Eddy Merckx in his prime in 1969 and put him in today's
>>peloton, he wouldn't be riding off the front like he did when he rode
>>against Snow Valley factory workers of the 1960's.
>>
>>This comparison can be objectivbely done simply by looking at average
>>speeds and doing wattage calculations.
>>
>>I'm not saying Merckx wouldn't be a pro-level rider today. All I'm
>>saying is he wouldn't be riding off the front today like he did in the
>>1960's. Given the specialization of sprinters and Tour riders in
>>today's pro peloton, it's pretty obvious Merckx - an all-arounder -
>>would likely be just another rider on T-Mobile if he rode today.
>>
>>And he'd probably be a major doper today given that he doped in the 1960's.
>>
>>Take that all you Merckx lovers.
>
>
> Eddy Merckx was a champion. He was a champion in 1970.
> He is a champion today. He would be a champion in any age.
> I left out some verb conjugations, but you get the idea.
> Rhetoric thrives on repetition, but only the right amount.
>
Does that logic also apply to Keith Partridge?
There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that thinks
that EVERY FUCKING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years ago was
superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people who know
the truth.
Magilla
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 16:42:52
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> There's two types of people on this Earth. There's the type that
> thinks that EVERY FUCKING THING and PERSON that existed over 30 years
> ago was superior than what occurs today, and then there's the people
> who know the truth.
You mean like this guy:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33402
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 12:32:11
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
>>today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>>
>>Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
>>wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
>>head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime, Merckx
>>would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>>
>>Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
>>compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
>
>
> Ape of the Century,
>
> Eddy Merckx never raced up l'Alpe d'Huez in his prime.
> It was used in the 1952 Tour and the stage was won by
> Coppi (who presumably also you'd point out was not a
> patch on LANCE, but had much more style, admit it).
> L'Alpe did not reappear in the Tour until 1976, when
> Joop Zoetemelk won the stage. Merckx did not ride
> the 1976 Tour; his Tour career was already on its way
> out, as his last Tour victory was in 1974. In 1975
> he finished 2nd and got punched in the kidney.
> In 1977 the Tour went up L'Alpe and Merckx rode it;
> I don't know his time, but he finished 6th in the Tour.
> It was the last Tour he rode, and he retired in 1978.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d'Huez
>
> Of course, maybe you were talking about Axel Merckx's
> time up L'Alpe. I don't know that either.
>
> It is interesting that LANCE's best time on L'Alpe
> is usually given as 37:36 (in an ITT, not at the end
> of a long stage) and Coppi's 1952 time is claimed to
> have been 45:22. 8 minutes difference is an eternity
> in bike racing, but when Coppi rode it, the road wasn't
> even paved.
> Ben
> dumb as the Brawny paper towel guy
>
-------------
Okay, so we know Merckx finished 6th in the Tour in 1977. Do you really
think if Lance rode the 1977 Tour he would have finished 7th or worse?
Even in his [prime Lance would have kicked the crap out or Merckx and
dropped him like a bad habit. Everyone knows this. The idea that
Merckx would drop today's top riders is a joke.
It's a myth people perpetuate because they have been told by others that
Merckx was the best. So they repeat it.
Heck, Merckx wasn't even the best in 1977.
Magilla
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 20:52:30
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> Okay, so we know Merckx finished 6th in the Tour in 1977. Do you really
> think if Lance rode the 1977 Tour he would have finished 7th or worse?
>
As a 6 year old I think he would have finished much worse than 7th.
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 02:18:56
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <1191744479.527263.15560@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com >,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> On Oct 7, 12:04 am, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> > A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins
>
> I have to admit that the phrase "dumb as napkins"
> redeems your entire post for me.
Let's just hope he didn't mean sanitary napkins.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 15:31:17
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> > A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>> I have to admit that the phrase "dumb as napkins"
>> redeems your entire post for me.
Howard Kveck wrote:
> Let's just hope he didn't mean sanitary napkins.
Dumbass,
Sanitary napkins are smart enough to go places you can't.
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 22:05:16
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
On Oct 6, 11:24 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> smokeystrodt...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>Magilla;
>
> >>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
> >>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>
> >>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
> >> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
> >>1990 Giro di Lazio
> >>1991 World Cup Winner
> >>1993 Milan - San Remo
> >> Fl=E8che Wallone
> >> Championship of Zurich
> >> Giro dell'Emilia
> >> Tirreno - Adriatico
> >> GP du Midi Libre
> >> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
> >> World Cup Winner
> >>1994 Giro di Lazio
> >>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>
> >>TTFN.
>
> > Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
> > a bunch of factory workers.
>
> > Smokey
>
> If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
> front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
> who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
>
> The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
> the best female cyclist in the world.
>
> You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
> competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
>
> No way, Jos=E9.
>
> Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Lance Armstrong for one has been quoted as saying Merckx is the
greatest of all time. I think he knows a little more about cycling
than you do.
Smokey
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 03:04:08
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 6, 11:24 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
>
>>smokeystrodt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Magilla;
>>
>>>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
>>>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>>
>>>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
>>>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
>>>>1990 Giro di Lazio
>>>>1991 World Cup Winner
>>>>1993 Milan - San Remo
>>>> Flèche Wallone
>>>> Championship of Zurich
>>>> Giro dell'Emilia
>>>> Tirreno - Adriatico
>>>> GP du Midi Libre
>>>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>>> World Cup Winner
>>>>1994 Giro di Lazio
>>>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>
>>>>TTFN.
>>
>>>Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
>>>a bunch of factory workers.
>>
>>>Smokey
>>
>>If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
>>front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
>>who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
>>
>>The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
>>the best female cyclist in the world.
>>
>>You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
>>competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
>>
>>No way, José.
>>
>>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Lance Armstrong for one has been quoted as saying Merckx is the
> greatest of all time. I think he knows a little more about cycling
> than you do.
>
> Smokey
Lance is wrong. He probably says it out of some misguided Euro-thing
because if he didn't say that he would piss off 15 million zealots in
Europe. In this respect, Lance is the consummate politician.
Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime, Merckx
would finish 16 minutes down every time.
Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
today he wouldn't be jack.
You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do. There's no
other fucking analyis that goes into it other than repeating that Jesus
was the son of God simply because you MUST believe that. Your parents
told you it's true and that's all the prooof you need.
But smart people know that Jesus and God just aren't reality. They're
just some fucked up fantasy society made up thousands of years ago to
help them deal with death, misery, and is perpetuated to this day by
idiots who can't think for themselves.
A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins and your entire belief
system is hardly more complex than repeating myths you've heard others
say. There's no independent analysis and your entire argument and logic
sounds like someone in the Manson Family car on the way to Sharon Tate's
house.
Magilla
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 07:59:32
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <fea0d8$f50$1@aioe.org >,
MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 6, 11:24 pm, MagillaGorilla <magi...@sandiegozoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>smokeystrodt...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>Magilla;
> >>
> >>>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
> >>>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
> >>
> >>>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
> >>>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
> >>>>1990 Giro di Lazio
> >>>>1991 World Cup Winner
> >>>>1993 Milan - San Remo
> >>>> Flèche Wallone
> >>>> Championship of Zurich
> >>>> Giro dell'Emilia
> >>>> Tirreno - Adriatico
> >>>> GP du Midi Libre
> >>>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
> >>>> World Cup Winner
> >>>>1994 Giro di Lazio
> >>>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
> >>
> >>>>TTFN.
> >>
> >>>Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
> >>>a bunch of factory workers.
> >>
> >>>Smokey
> >>
> >>If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
> >>front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
> >>who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
> >>
> >>The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
> >>the best female cyclist in the world.
> >>
> >>You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
> >>competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
> >>
> >>No way, José.
> >>
> >>Magilla- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >>- Show quoted text -
> >
> >
> > Lance Armstrong for one has been quoted as saying Merckx is the
> > greatest of all time. I think he knows a little more about cycling
> > than you do.
> >
> > Smokey
>
>
> Lance is wrong. He probably says it out of some misguided Euro-thing
> because if he didn't say that he would piss off 15 million zealots in
> Europe. In this respect, Lance is the consummate politician.
>
> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
>
> Also, even if Lance truly believed that (he doesn't, trust me), it
> wouldn't mean jack shit. If you put Lance and Eddy Merckx in a
> head-to-head race (i.e. Tour de France) with both in their prime, Merckx
> would finish 16 minutes down every time.
>
> Go take a look at Merckx's time up Alpe d'Huez....it's slow as molasses
> compared to what riders did in the past 15 years.
>
> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
> today he wouldn't be jack.
>
> You people who beleive Merckx was the best of all time also believe in
> Jesus. Somebody told you to beleive in Jesus and so you do. There's no
> other fucking analyis that goes into it other than repeating that Jesus
> was the son of God simply because you MUST believe that. Your parents
> told you it's true and that's all the prooof you need.
>
> But smart people know that Jesus and God just aren't reality. They're
> just some fucked up fantasy society made up thousands of years ago to
> help them deal with death, misery, and is perpetuated to this day by
> idiots who can't think for themselves.
>
> A lot of you people in here are dumb as napkins and your entire belief
> system is hardly more complex than repeating myths you've heard others
> say. There's no independent analysis and your entire argument and logic
> sounds like someone in the Manson Family car on the way to Sharon Tate's
> house.
>
>
> Magilla
And Magilla has The Truth, same as some
backwoods, bible-thumping, mountebank.
Well, almost the same. The mountebank
has the Word of God. Magilla has his
prodigious appetite for bananas.
Here you go
_
_ \'-_,#
_\'--','`
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 10:07:17
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Michael Press wrote:
> And Magilla has The Truth, same as some
> backwoods, bible-thumping, mountebank.
> Well, almost the same. The mountebank
> has the Word of God. Magilla has his
> prodigious appetite for bananas.
>
> Here you go
> _
> _ \'-_,#
> _\'--','`
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 02:25:28
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <470dd9f4$0$2880$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > And Magilla has The Truth, same as some
> > backwoods, bible-thumping, mountebank.
> > Well, almost the same. The mountebank
> > has the Word of God. Magilla has his
> > prodigious appetite for bananas.
> >
> > Here you go
> > _
> > _ \'-_,#
> > _\'--','`
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 14:13:17
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fea0d8$f50$1@aioe.org...
> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
> today he wouldn't be jack.
I think there's a good chance Eddy could of surprised us with how many tours
and classics he could of completed today, not win but just complete. He did
compete in a huge amount of races during the season, and won a lot of them.
But like Marino Lejeretta who completed in the TDF, Giro, and the Vuelta
several years in a row, an incredible feat during the 90's, Eddy surely
would of impressed us with his stamina, even today. As they say, it's not
just about winning, but competing that counts. Eddy would of been in the
fight, that's for sure, and all season long!
GBMT
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 17:54:52
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fea0d8$f50$1@aioe.org...
>
>> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
>> today he wouldn't be jack.
>
> I think there's a good chance Eddy could of surprised us with how many tours
> and classics he could of completed today, not win but just complete. He did
> compete in a huge amount of races during the season, and won a lot of them.
> But like Marino Lejeretta who completed in the TDF, Giro, and the Vuelta
> several years in a row, an incredible feat during the 90's, Eddy surely
> would of impressed us with his stamina, even today. As they say, it's not
> just about winning, but competing that counts. Eddy would of been in the
> fight, that's for sure, and all season long!
>
> GBMT
>
>
Even on his wood and bone bicycle?
Steve
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 15:21:46
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
"Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinmung@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:13gl9pqpedokdde@corp.supernews.com...
> GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> > "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:fea0d8$f50$1@aioe.org...
> >
> >> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
> >> today he wouldn't be jack.
> >
> > I think there's a good chance Eddy could of surprised us with how many
tours
> > and classics he could of completed today, not win but just complete. He
did
> > compete in a huge amount of races during the season, and won a lot of
them.
> > But like Marino Lejeretta who completed in the TDF, Giro, and the Vuelta
> > several years in a row, an incredible feat during the 90's, Eddy surely
> > would of impressed us with his stamina, even today. As they say, it's
not
> > just about winning, but competing that counts. Eddy would of been in the
> > fight, that's for sure, and all season long!
> >
> > GBMT
> >
> >
>
> Even on his wood and bone bicycle?
>
> Steve
I'll leave that question for Professor Maso! In fact, I would very much be
interested in what his sentiments might be on how Eddy would fair in a full
cycling season in this decade.
Cheers,
GBMT
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 19:29:52
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com > wrote in message
news:OdqdnRFrEo3kMZfanZ2dnUVZ_h2pnZ2d@sti.net...
>
> "Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinmung@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13gl9pqpedokdde@corp.supernews.com...
>> GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>> > "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:fea0d8$f50$1@aioe.org...
>> >
>> >> Sorry, Merckx was no doubt a great rider in his day, but if he raced
>> >> today he wouldn't be jack.
>> >
>> > I think there's a good chance Eddy could of surprised us with how many
> tours
>> > and classics he could of completed today, not win but just complete. He
> did
>> > compete in a huge amount of races during the season, and won a lot of
> them.
>> > But like Marino Lejeretta who completed in the TDF, Giro, and the
>> > Vuelta
>> > several years in a row, an incredible feat during the 90's, Eddy surely
>> > would of impressed us with his stamina, even today. As they say, it's
> not
>> > just about winning, but competing that counts. Eddy would of been in
>> > the
>> > fight, that's for sure, and all season long!
>> >
>> > GBMT
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Even on his wood and bone bicycle?
>>
>> Steve
>
> I'll leave that question for Professor Maso! In fact, I would very much be
> interested in what his sentiments might be on how Eddy would fair in a
> full
> cycling season in this decade.
>
You're assuming he wouldn't have gone the way of specialization.
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 14:04:50
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fea0d8$f50$1@aioe.org...
> Surely you don't believe that riders in the 1960's were faster than
> today's pro peloton? Only a clueless jackass would think that.
And especially for women, it's incredibly hard to even find enough
information to get a clue. Certainly Burton and Yvonne Reynders stand out,
but more then likely, they would be only average riders today. Burton didn't
do any stage races I know of. She was mostly a track rider. Back then, there
didn't seem to be a yardstick for all around talent which stage races could
measure in climbing, TT, and sprint winners. In American before the first
American national road race in 1966 which Audrey McElmury won, Peter Nye who
wrote books about the early years, told me early women's races were just
hodge podge omniums, where there are a series of misc races and winners, but
nothing really organized like today, where pure logic can be applied, like
the world rankings and such.
GBMT
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 12:42:00
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Magilla;
>
> Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
> Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>
> Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
> 1990 Giro di Lazio
> 1991 World Cup Winner
> 1993 Milan - San Remo
> Fl=E8che Wallone
> Championship of Zurich
> Giro dell'Emilia
> Tirreno - Adriatico
> GP du Midi Libre
> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
> World Cup Winner
> 1994 Giro di Lazio
> 1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>
> TTFN.
Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
a bunch of factory workers.
Smokey
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Magilla;
>>
>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>>
>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
>>1990 Giro di Lazio
>>1991 World Cup Winner
>>1993 Milan - San Remo
>> Flèche Wallone
>> Championship of Zurich
>> Giro dell'Emilia
>> Tirreno - Adriatico
>> GP du Midi Libre
>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>> World Cup Winner
>>1994 Giro di Lazio
>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>
>>TTFN.
>
>
> Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
> a bunch of factory workers.
>
> Smokey
>
If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
the best female cyclist in the world.
You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
No way, José.
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 13:48:09
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fe9n2i$k84$1@aioe.org...
> The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
> the best female cyclist in the world.
It's flattering, but no, I agree. She might at best be called one of the
best American women of her time, but the 90's produced an explosion of very
good riders. Twigg was certainly very good but she found herself dealing
with some very tough customers during the 90's.
GBMT
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 16:02:45
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
"GoneBeforeMyTime" <Fans@EuroForums.com > wrote in message
news:XuSdnUX7BtEVC5fanZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d@sti.net...
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fe9n2i$k84$1@aioe.org...
>
> > The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
> > the best female cyclist in the world.
>
> It's flattering, but no, I agree. She might at best be called one of the
> best American women of her time, but the 90's produced an explosion of
very
> good riders. Twigg was certainly very good but she found herself dealing
> with some very tough customers during the 90's.
>
> GBMT
Which makes me think, who was/is the greatest American women rider of all
times? I would say Dede Barry or perhaps Amber Neben is becoming the best
American ever, she won the Tour De l'Aude twice, a huge accomplishment for
the American. Twigg's palmares certainly are impressive, but needs to be put
into the context of her competition of the times, mostly the 80's, some
early 90's as were Jeanne Golay and Inga Thompson. Laura Charameda certainly
was awesome in the 90's. Mari Holden was good and Kimberly Baldwin short
run. Kristen Armstrong won the worlds TT last year, 2nd this year, won Toona
twice in a row, but Neben is better stage racer.
But to narrow it down, I would think Jeannie Golay, Amber Neben or Dede
Barry, so my vote goes for Dede Barry as the greatest of all times. :-)
Sorry Laura if you are watching!
GBMT
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 08:49:57
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com >
wrote:
>smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Magilla;
>>>
>>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
>>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>>>
>>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
>>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
>>>1990 Giro di Lazio
>>>1991 World Cup Winner
>>>1993 Milan - San Remo
>>> Flèche Wallone
>>> Championship of Zurich
>>> Giro dell'Emilia
>>> Tirreno - Adriatico
>>> GP du Midi Libre
>>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>> World Cup Winner
>>>1994 Giro di Lazio
>>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>>
>>>TTFN.
>>
>>
>> Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
>> a bunch of factory workers.
>>
>> Smokey
>>
>
>If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
>front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
>who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
>
>The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
>the best female cyclist in the world.
>
>You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
>competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
You might be right that Merckx today would not win 500 of 1800 bike races or
come away from all the tours with wins and ALL of the jerseys at any one tour.
That level of dominance is over for anyone. Still there's no question he would
still be one of the greats.
Ron
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 12:42:14
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Magilla;
>>>>
>>>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
>>>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>>>>
>>>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
>>>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
>>>>1990 Giro di Lazio
>>>>1991 World Cup Winner
>>>>1993 Milan - San Remo
>>>> Flèche Wallone
>>>> Championship of Zurich
>>>> Giro dell'Emilia
>>>> Tirreno - Adriatico
>>>> GP du Midi Libre
>>>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>>> World Cup Winner
>>>>1994 Giro di Lazio
>>>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>>>
>>>>TTFN.
>>>
>>>
>>>Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
>>>a bunch of factory workers.
>>>
>>>Smokey
>>>
>>
>>If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
>>front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
>>who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
>>
>>The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
>>the best female cyclist in the world.
>>
>>You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
>>competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
>
>
> You might be right that Merckx today would not win 500 of 1800 bike races or
> come away from all the tours with wins and ALL of the jerseys at any one tour.
> That level of dominance is over for anyone. Still there's no question he would
> still be one of the greats.
>
> Ron
That's like saying if Margaret Court played tennis today she would be
one of the greats. Absolutely not true.
The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
He wasn't racing against today's pros.
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 10:27:29
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:42:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com >
wrote:
>RonSonic wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:24:49 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>smokeystrodtman@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Oct 6, 1:55 pm, stig <stig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Magilla;
>>>>>
>>>>>Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
>>>>>Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
>>>>>
>>>>>Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
>>>>> 1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
>>>>>1990 Giro di Lazio
>>>>>1991 World Cup Winner
>>>>>1993 Milan - San Remo
>>>>> Flèche Wallone
>>>>> Championship of Zurich
>>>>> Giro dell'Emilia
>>>>> Tirreno - Adriatico
>>>>> GP du Midi Libre
>>>>> 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>>>> World Cup Winner
>>>>>1994 Giro di Lazio
>>>>>1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
>>>>>
>>>>>TTFN.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Remember, this is the same guy who said all Eddy Merckx ever beat was
>>>>a bunch of factory workers.
>>>>
>>>>Smokey
>>>>
>>>
>>>If Eddy Merckx raced today in his prime, he wouldn't be riding off the
>>>front like he did when the competition were a bunch of part-time pros
>>>who made $5,000/year and worked in factories in the off-season.
>>>
>>>The next thing you're going to tell me is Connie Carpenter Phinney was
>>>the best female cyclist in the world.
>>>
>>>You people in here always try to pawn off victories in eras with weak
>>>competition as if they could pull that same shit today.
>>
>>
>> You might be right that Merckx today would not win 500 of 1800 bike races or
>> come away from all the tours with wins and ALL of the jerseys at any one tour.
>> That level of dominance is over for anyone. Still there's no question he would
>> still be one of the greats.
>>
>> Ron
>
>
>That's like saying if Margaret Court played tennis today she would be
>one of the greats. Absolutely not true.
>
>The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>"great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>
>He wasn't racing against today's pros.
Of course not, he was racing against that eras pro's.
And yes there were pro's not just laborers with a side gig.
It's one thing to have a realistic appraisal of Eddie's abilities. It's another
to slag an entire generation of bike racers in order to insult him.
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 16:25:27
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
> athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
> single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
> "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
> start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>
> He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>
Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
Wayne
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 17:28:05
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Wayne Pein wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>
>> The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>> athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>> single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>> "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>> start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>>
>> He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>>
>
> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>
> Wayne
>
A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world
records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them a
better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure, Boardman
did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines now.
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 10:30:45
From:
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:28:05 -0400, MagillaGorilla <magilla@sandiegozoo.com >
wrote:
>Wayne Pein wrote:
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The past in most every sport had weak competition compared to today's
>>> athletes and it this total lack of depth of competition that is the
>>> single most important factor in appraising why Eddy Merckx was so
>>> "great." Sure, he was "great," but only when the guys who took the
>>> start line against him were factory workers in the off-season.
>>>
>>> He wasn't racing against today's pros.
>>>
>>
>> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>
>A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
>financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world
>records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>
>Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them a
>better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
>
>Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour?
Because there's nothing to be gained by a failed attempt. They know what they
can do. They know the value of the hour. They knew they couldn't beat it.
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Date: 07 Oct 2007 22:08:31
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
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>>
>> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>
>
> A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling financial
> or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world records in
> cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>
> Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them a
> better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
>
> Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure, Boardman
> did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines now.
LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting chicks.
Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have overlooked
Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling financial or
professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason that there hasn't
been much interest recently is the split records. How special is it to
break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of Boardman's 56.375, I'd
say not particularly. I'll concede that it's possible in the era of the
sound bite that the hour record may be passe'. Unify the record book to
currently acceptable TT equipment and I think interest would be greater.
Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try.
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 11:51:33
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
How
> special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of
> Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly.
How special is it to break 56.375 with the spectre of 85.991 of Markham?
I think that if a record exists in a category, it is special enough that
other people want to beat it whether there is financial reward or not.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 15:36:21
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Wayne Pein wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> How
>
>> special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of
>> Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly.
>
>
> How special is it to break 56.375 with the spectre of 85.991 of Markham?
>
> I think that if a record exists in a category, it is special enough that
> other people want to beat it whether there is financial reward or not.
>
> Wayne
>
Get fucking real. Do you really think Lance and top pros sit at home
"wishing" they could break some idiotic record by the Danny Chews of the
world just because it's a record?
If you do, then you are clueless as to what makes these guys tick. And
that is: money, fame, chix. If you notice, "breaking records" isn't on
that list.
The only people who want to break records in cycling are 14 year olds
(and adults who think like 14 year olds).
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 16:29:00
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Wayne Pein wrote:
>>
>> I think that if a record exists in a category, it is special enough
>> that other people want to beat it whether there is financial reward or
>> not.
>>
>
> Get fucking real. Do you really think Lance and top pros sit at home
> "wishing" they could break some idiotic record by the Danny Chews of the
> world just because it's a record?
>
> If you do, then you are clueless as to what makes these guys tick. And
> that is: money, fame, chix. If you notice, "breaking records" isn't on
> that list.
If you could ride at 475 watts for an hour you'd try to break the hour
record. But you can't and neither could Lance and others.
>
> The only people who want to break records in cycling are 14 year olds
> (and adults who think like 14 year olds).
>
There's lots of records men want to break for the fame (200, 1k, 4k,
hr), but like you, they can't.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 21:23:37
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Wayne Pein wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> I think that if a record exists in a category, it is special enough
>>> that other people want to beat it whether there is financial reward
>>> or not.
>>>
>
>>
>> Get fucking real. Do you really think Lance and top pros sit at home
>> "wishing" they could break some idiotic record by the Danny Chews of
>> the world just because it's a record?
>>
>> If you do, then you are clueless as to what makes these guys tick.
>> And that is: money, fame, chix. If you notice, "breaking records"
>> isn't on that list.
>
>
> If you could ride at 475 watts for an hour you'd try to break the hour
> record. But you can't and neither could Lance and others.
>
>>
>> The only people who want to break records in cycling are 14 year olds
>> (and adults who think like 14 year olds).
>>
>
> There's lots of records men want to break for the fame (200, 1k, 4k,
> hr), but like you, they can't.
>
> Wayne
>
I love listenting to all you clueless people in here who actually think
Lance sits in his mansion in Austin and cries himself to sleep because
he didn't do the hour record.
You probably also think Lance dreams about winning RAAM one day.
Losers,
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 18:43:33
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:feel6q$mpt$1@aioe.org...
>
> I love listenting to all you clueless people in here who actually think
> Lance sits in his mansion in Austin and cries himself to sleep because he
> didn't do the hour record.
>
> You probably also think Lance dreams about winning RAAM one day.
>
> Losers,
I love reading your stuff. Hopefully you'll keep it up because you emphasis
the true ignorance here. Tell me - why do you believe that ANYONE cares what
Lance is doing?
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 22:51:11
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:feel6q$mpt$1@aioe.org...
>
>>
>> I love listenting to all you clueless people in here who actually
>> think Lance sits in his mansion in Austin and cries himself to sleep
>> because he didn't do the hour record.
>>
>> You probably also think Lance dreams about winning RAAM one day.
>>
>> Losers,
>
>
> I love reading your stuff. Hopefully you'll keep it up because you
> emphasis the true ignorance here. Tell me - why do you believe that
> ANYONE cares what Lance is doing?
>
That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles"
who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares.
So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of
people in here.
Magilla
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 00:55:58
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold
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On 10/8/07 8:51 PM, in article feeqav$4e7$1@aioe.org, "MagillaGorilla"
<magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote:
> That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles"
> who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares.
>
> So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of
> people in here.
I wear Karma Beads ...
http://www.luckyness.com/display_item.cfm?item_id=28
Yeah ... Lame, I know, but better than LiveStrong BS.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 22:05:45
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:feeqav$4e7$1@aioe.org...
>> I love reading your stuff. Hopefully you'll keep it up because you
>> emphasis the true ignorance here. Tell me - why do you believe that
>> ANYONE cares what Lance is doing?
>>
>
> That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles"
> who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares.
>
> So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of
> people in here.
>
Boardman,
You could tell 80% of the bracelet wearers that Armstrong won RAAM, the
American version of the Tour, seven times and they would puff out their
chests in pride.
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 19:27:15
From: Fred Pan
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:weCOi.3038$TF.2031@newsfe13.lga...
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:feeqav$4e7$1@aioe.org...
>
>>> I love reading your stuff. Hopefully you'll keep it up because you
>>> emphasis the true ignorance here. Tell me - why do you believe that
>>> ANYONE cares what Lance is doing?
>>>
>>
>> That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles"
>> who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares.
>>
>> So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of
>> people in here.
>>
>
> Boardman,
>
> You could tell 80% of the bracelet wearers that Armstrong won RAAM, the
> American version of the Tour, seven times and they would puff out their
> chests in pride.
Are you implying he didn't?
Fred
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 22:11:02
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:weCOi.3038$TF.2031@newsfe13.lga...
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:feeqav$4e7$1@aioe.org...
>
>>> I love reading your stuff. Hopefully you'll keep it up because you
>>> emphasis the true ignorance here. Tell me - why do you believe that
>>> ANYONE cares what Lance is doing?
>>>
>>
>> That girl at the Tour de Georgia who appeared on "The Lance Chronicles"
>> who cried and whined outside the Postal team bus cares.
>>
>> So do all the Livestrong bracelet wearers, which is a large majority of
>> people in here.
>>
>
> Boardman,
>
> You could tell 80% of the bracelet wearers that Armstrong won RAAM, the
> American version of the Tour, seven times and they would puff out their
> chests in pride.
<<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_thread/thread/8f48bead6a419bbf/fa846f8467aa6c6d?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#fa846f8467aa6c6d >>
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 13:07:44
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:470a5205$0$26373$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> How
>> special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of
>> Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly.
>
> How special is it to break 56.375 with the spectre of 85.991 of Markham?
>
> I think that if a record exists in a category, it is special enough that
> other people want to beat it whether there is financial reward or not.
>
Could or can Markham race that bike in a UCI sanctioned race?
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 16:17:00
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:470a5205$0$26373$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>
>> How
>>
>>> special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of
>>> Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly.
>>
>>
>> How special is it to break 56.375 with the spectre of 85.991 of Markham?
>>
>> I think that if a record exists in a category, it is special enough
>> that other people want to beat it whether there is financial reward or
>> not.
>>
>
> Could or can Markham race that bike in a UCI sanctioned race?
The people who care about 85.991 don't care about the UCI, and I suppose
vice versa.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 18:47:12
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:470a903d$0$24333$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>> Could or can Markham race that bike in a UCI sanctioned race?
>
> The people who care about 85.991 don't care about the UCI, and I suppose
> vice versa.
Why don't you just say that the bike Markham used can barely ride in a
straight line?
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 01:12:09
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:febj16$f5i$1@aioe.org...
>
>>>
>>> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>>
>>
>> A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
>> financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world
>> records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>>
>> Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them
>> a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
>>
>> Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure,
>> Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines
>> now.
>
>
> LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting chicks.
>
> Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have
> overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling
> financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason
> that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split records. How
> special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of
> Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that it's
> possible in the era of the sound bite that the hour record may be
> passe'. Unify the record book to currently acceptable TT equipment and I
> think interest would be greater.
>
> Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try.
Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he did
what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then. But it
did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't forget that
Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world.
But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone who
beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be substantially
slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then there's the altitude
vs. sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor...
The UCI and national cycling federations are great at diluting the
brand. Records use to be a big deal, but they no longer are because
they have so many caveats.
But the main reason why these records have waned amongst pros is because
they don't lead to money. And that's what the bottom line to all proos
is these days. Why add all that stress to your life to train for an
hour record if there's no financial gain for it? Most top pros who can
set a new hour record standard would rather spend their down time
fucking stewardesses in LA or cheating on their wife in Las Vegas.
There's no cashback for a world record. It's just a debit transaction.
Magilla
C.P.A.
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 19:56:34
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
>>> financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world
>>> records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>>>
>>> Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them a
>>> better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
>>>
>>> Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure, Boardman
>>> did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines now.
>>
>>
>> LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting
>> chicks.
>>
>> Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have overlooked
>> Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling financial or
>> professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason that there
>> hasn't been much interest recently is the split records. How special is
>> it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of Boardman's
>> 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that it's possible in the
>> era of the sound bite that the hour record may be passe'. Unify the
>> record book to currently acceptable TT equipment and I think interest
>> would be greater.
>>
>> Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try.
>
>
> Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he did
> what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then. But it
> did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't forget that
> Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world.
How does any of that support your argument of needing financial or
professional reasons to justify a record attempt?
>
> But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone who
> beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be substantially
> slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then there's the altitude vs.
> sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor...
Indoor/outdoor, sea level/altitude records have been eliminated from the
record books for about 15 years or so. The UCI recognized that (unlike
rainbow jerseys) there were too many records for the same thing. Indoor,
outdoor, high, low, amateur, pro have all been consolidated. It's up to you
whether you want to attempt a record at Irpavi (Bolivia), Manchester, or
somewhere in between.
>
> The UCI and national cycling federations are great at diluting the brand.
> Records use to be a big deal, but they no longer are because they have so
> many caveats.
Such as?
>
> But the main reason why these records have waned amongst pros is because
> they don't lead to money. And that's what the bottom line to all proos is
> these days. Why add all that stress to your life to train for an hour
> record if there's no financial gain for it? Most top pros who can set a
> new hour record standard would rather spend their down time fucking
> stewardesses in LA or cheating on their wife in Las Vegas.
>
> There's no cashback for a world record. It's just a debit transaction.
I agree, but in a different way. I think riders still want to try it, but
the risk/reward ratio is possibly a little too high. It is perhaps a
potential financial disincentive that keeps top riders from attempting the
record rather than any financial incentive.
>
>
> Magilla
> C.P.A.
>
>
>
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 21:59:38
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fece7a$qo5$1@aioe.org...
>
>>>>
>>>> A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
>>>> financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting
>>>> world records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>>>>
>>>> Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get
>>>> them a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure,
>>>> Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for
>>>> magazines now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting
>>> chicks.
>>>
>>> Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have
>>> overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling
>>> financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason
>>> that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split records.
>>> How special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre
>>> of Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that
>>> it's possible in the era of the sound bite that the hour record may
>>> be passe'. Unify the record book to currently acceptable TT equipment
>>> and I think interest would be greater.
>>>
>>> Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he
>> did what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then.
>> But it did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't
>> forget that Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world.
>
>
> How does any of that support your argument of needing financial or
> professional reasons to justify a record attempt?
>
>
>>
>> But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone who
>> beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be
>> substantially slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then
>> there's the altitude vs. sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor...
>
>
> Indoor/outdoor, sea level/altitude records have been eliminated from the
> record books for about 15 years or so. The UCI recognized that (unlike
> rainbow jerseys) there were too many records for the same thing. Indoor,
> outdoor, high, low, amateur, pro have all been consolidated. It's up to
> you whether you want to attempt a record at Irpavi (Bolivia),
> Manchester, or somewhere in between.
That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother
with these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to the
fucking moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere just so
they could ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit.
All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and
factors such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge difference.
Magilla
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 21:58:38
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:feenaa$s80$1@aioe.org...
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
>>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fece7a$qo5$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
>>>>> financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world
>>>>> records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them
>>>>> a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure,
>>>>> Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines
>>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting
>>>> chicks.
>>>>
>>>> Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have
>>>> overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling
>>>> financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason
>>>> that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split records.
>>>> How special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre of
>>>> Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that it's
>>>> possible in the era of the sound bite that the hour record may be
>>>> passe'. Unify the record book to currently acceptable TT equipment and
>>>> I think interest would be greater.
>>>>
>>>> Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he did
>>> what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then. But it
>>> did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't forget that
>>> Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world.
>>
>>
>> How does any of that support your argument of needing financial or
>> professional reasons to justify a record attempt?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone who
>>> beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be substantially
>>> slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then there's the altitude
>>> vs. sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor...
>>
>>
>> Indoor/outdoor, sea level/altitude records have been eliminated from the
>> record books for about 15 years or so. The UCI recognized that (unlike
>> rainbow jerseys) there were too many records for the same thing. Indoor,
>> outdoor, high, low, amateur, pro have all been consolidated. It's up to
>> you whether you want to attempt a record at Irpavi (Bolivia), Manchester,
>> or somewhere in between.
>
>
> That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother with
> these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to the fucking
> moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere just so they could
> ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit.
>
> All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and factors
> such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge difference.
>
> Magilla
Can I give you a suggestion? In your efforts to sustain your threads (I
know, you didn't start this one), after a couple of replies you start to
become disjointed, unraveling more and more from there. Stick to making an
outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next thread.
In a stage race metaphor, you barely make it to the first mountain stages
before you're toast. Like Boardman, you're better as a prologue specialist.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 10:26:40
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:feenaa$s80$1@aioe.org...
>
>> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fece7a$qo5$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
>>>>>> financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting
>>>>>> world records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get
>>>>>> them a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a
>>>>>> pro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure,
>>>>>> Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for
>>>>>> magazines now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting
>>>>> chicks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have
>>>>> overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling
>>>>> financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the
>>>>> reason that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split
>>>>> records. How special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With
>>>>> the spectre of Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll
>>>>> concede that it's possible in the era of the sound bite that the
>>>>> hour record may be passe'. Unify the record book to currently
>>>>> acceptable TT equipment and I think interest would be greater.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he
>>>> did what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then.
>>>> But it did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't
>>>> forget that Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How does any of that support your argument of needing financial or
>>> professional reasons to justify a record attempt?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone
>>>> who beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be
>>>> substantially slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then
>>>> there's the altitude vs. sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indoor/outdoor, sea level/altitude records have been eliminated from
>>> the record books for about 15 years or so. The UCI recognized that
>>> (unlike rainbow jerseys) there were too many records for the same
>>> thing. Indoor, outdoor, high, low, amateur, pro have all been
>>> consolidated. It's up to you whether you want to attempt a record at
>>> Irpavi (Bolivia), Manchester, or somewhere in between.
>>
>>
>>
>> That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother
>> with these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to
>> the fucking moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere
>> just so they could ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit.
>>
>> All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and
>> factors such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge
>> difference.
>>
>> Magilla
>
>
> Can I give you a suggestion? In your efforts to sustain your threads (I
> know, you didn't start this one), after a couple of replies you start to
> become disjointed, unraveling more and more from there. Stick to making
> an outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next thread.
>
> In a stage race metaphor, you barely make it to the first mountain
> stages before you're toast. Like Boardman, you're better as a prologue
> specialist.
I'm not disjointed - nor am I Boardman.
Sounds like you want me to start another thread on why you don't go
faster around a turn in a velodrome than on the straightaway. I went
apeshit in those threads.
But then I got busted for too much potassium by USADA.
Magilla
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 00:48:36
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:R7COi.3037$TF.783@newsfe13.lga...
> Stick to making an outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next
thread.
Your reply made pepsi spew out of my nose! That was funny!
What's interesting, rbr is the only cycling group which replies number
sometimes in the hundreds, and sometimes although rare in the thousands. In
both the Italian and French groups replies are usally always short and to
the point, and threads rarely have more then a a few dozen replies and
usually much less, say a dozen is the average, and the Italian group is
bigger but they have much more posts and they never linger long in any one
post. It's just not important to them to square off personally with anyone
for very long. They seem more interested in content then contact.
GBMT
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 10:31:18
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:R7COi.3037$TF.783@newsfe13.lga...
>
>
>>Stick to making an outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next
>
> thread.
>
> Your reply made pepsi spew out of my nose! That was funny!
>
> What's interesting, rbr is the only cycling group which replies number
> sometimes in the hundreds, and sometimes although rare in the thousands. In
> both the Italian and French groups replies are usally always short and to
> the point, and threads rarely have more then a a few dozen replies and
> usually much less, say a dozen is the average, and the Italian group is
> bigger but they have much more posts and they never linger long in any one
> post. It's just not important to them to square off personally with anyone
> for very long. They seem more interested in content then contact.
>
> GBMT
>
>
They both also seem more interested in losing World World II.
Magilla
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 13:05:29
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> What's interesting, rbr is the only cycling group which replies number
> sometimes in the hundreds, and sometimes although rare in the thousands.
Its been a long time since the halycon 2 guns days where the posts
may have numbered in the thousands. Perhaps we should invite Lafferty
and this Polger chick in as guest trollers next July.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 04:02:13
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <R7COi.3037$TF.783@newsfe13.lga >,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> news:feenaa$s80$1@aioe.org...
> > That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother with
> > these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to the fucking
> > moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere just so they could
> > ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit.
> >
> > All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and factors
> > such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge difference.
> >
> > Magilla
>
> Can I give you a suggestion? In your efforts to sustain your threads (I
> know, you didn't start this one), after a couple of replies you start to
> become disjointed, unraveling more and more from there. Stick to making an
> outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next thread.
>
> In a stage race metaphor, you barely make it to the first mountain stages
> before you're toast. Like Boardman, you're better as a prologue specialist.
In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
In rbt, we coach them.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 08:46:59
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article
<rcousine-2E0476.21020308102007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <R7COi.3037$TF.783@newsfe13.lga>,
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:feenaa$s80$1@aioe.org...
>
> > > That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother with
> > > these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to the fucking
> > > moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere just so they could
> > > ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit.
> > >
> > > All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and factors
> > > such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge difference.
> > >
> > > Magilla
> >
> > Can I give you a suggestion? In your efforts to sustain your threads (I
> > know, you didn't start this one), after a couple of replies you start to
> > become disjointed, unraveling more and more from there. Stick to making an
> > outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next thread.
> >
> > In a stage race metaphor, you barely make it to the first mountain stages
> > before you're toast. Like Boardman, you're better as a prologue specialist.
>
> In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
>
> In rbt, we coach them.
It's time to change your signature quotation.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 02:23:54
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <rubrum-8D3990.01470011102007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com >,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <rcousine-2E0476.21020308102007@news.telus.net>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > In article <R7COi.3037$TF.783@newsfe13.lga>,
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:feenaa$s80$1@aioe.org...
> >
> > > > That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother
> > > > with
> > > > these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to the
> > > > fucking
> > > > moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere just so they
> > > > could
> > > > ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit.
> > > >
> > > > All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and
> > > > factors
> > > > such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge difference.
> > > >
> > > > Magilla
> > >
> > > Can I give you a suggestion? In your efforts to sustain your threads (I
> > > know, you didn't start this one), after a couple of replies you start to
> > > become disjointed, unraveling more and more from there. Stick to making
> > > an
> > > outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next thread.
> > >
> > > In a stage race metaphor, you barely make it to the first mountain stages
> > > before you're toast. Like Boardman, you're better as a prologue
> > > specialist.
> >
> > In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
> >
> > In rbt, we coach them.
>
> It's time to change your signature quotation.
Actually, I added the obvious sig, but found this in my alternate sigs
pile instead.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 09:18:16
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
>> It's time to change your signature quotation.
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Actually, I added the obvious sig, but found this in my alternate sigs
> pile instead.
> My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
Sandy was just channeling Ben Franklin in the time honoured rbr
tradition.
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 10:29:16
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <R7COi.3037$TF.783@newsfe13.lga>,
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:feenaa$s80$1@aioe.org...
>
>
>>>That's just another reason why Lance and most pros don't even bother with
>>>these idiotic records. Pretty soon riders will want to fly to the fucking
>>>moon and do the hour in 1/6 gravity with no atmosphere just so they could
>>>ride over 150 km in a goddamn spacesuit.
>>>
>>>All these records are meaningless because there is no standard and factors
>>>such as altitude, air temperature, humidity make a huge difference.
>>>
>>>Magilla
>>
>>Can I give you a suggestion? In your efforts to sustain your threads (I
>>know, you didn't start this one), after a couple of replies you start to
>>become disjointed, unraveling more and more from there. Stick to making an
>>outlandish statement or two, then move on to the next thread.
>>
>>In a stage race metaphor, you barely make it to the first mountain stages
>>before you're toast. Like Boardman, you're better as a prologue specialist.
>
>
> In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
>
> In rbt, we coach them.
>
Yeah, as if there's not enough online coaches in cycling already who
have no fucking idea what they're doing....yet they have no problem in
getting some loser to cough up $300/month just to get a riding schedule
emailed to them.
Magilla
Train With My Banana
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 09:14:57
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
> In rbt, we coach them.
Wait, typo or do lead a second life somewhere else?!
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 09 Oct 2007 09:30:31
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
>> In rbt, we coach them.
We should inject them with flaxseed oil while we're about it.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Wait, typo or do lead a second life somewhere else?!
No, he just sees double most of the time.
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 02:29:42
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article <470b2e42$0$2898$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >> In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
> >> In rbt, we coach them.
>
> We should inject them with flaxseed oil while we're about it.
>
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > Wait, typo or do lead a second life somewhere else?!
>
> No, he just sees double most of the time.
Sorry guys, I must have been sober when I posted that. rbr, of course.
In rbt, I killfile trolls. Current list:
Ed Dolan, Jim Beam, Jambo, and for some reason, some guy named Kevin. I
can't remember what he did to piss me off.
Need to install that Enemies plugin for Facebook,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 08:49:10
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
In article
<rcousine-E32777.19294209102007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <470b2e42$0$2898$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > >> In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls.
> > >> In rbt, we coach them.
> >
> > We should inject them with flaxseed oil while we're about it.
> >
> > Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > > Wait, typo or do lead a second life somewhere else?!
> >
> > No, he just sees double most of the time.
>
> Sorry guys, I must have been sober when I posted that. rbr, of course.
> In rbt, I killfile trolls. Current list:
>
> Ed Dolan, Jim Beam, Jambo, and for some reason, some guy named Kevin. I
> can't remember what he did to piss me off.
No Kevin comes to mind. How about the two Dougs,
and Dear Whatsisname.
> Need to install that Enemies plugin for Facebook,
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 01:14:04
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
>>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:febj16$f5i$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>>>
>>>> Who among today's pros can top his hour record?
>>>>
>>>
>>> A lot of pros could have topped it, but there was no compelling
>>> financial or professional reason to do it. The days of setting world
>>> records in cycling just for the sake of setting them are over.
>>>
>>> Top pros today train for high-profile results that will help get them
>>> a better contract. The hour record doesn't do anything for a pro.
>>>
>>> Why do you think both LeMond and Lance skipped the hour? Sure,
>>> Boardman did it...and that's why he writes bike reviews for magazines
>>> now.
>>
>>
>>
>> LeMond was too busy hunting turkeys and Lance was too busy hunting
>> chicks.
>>
>> Since you went as far back as the LeMond era, you seem to have
>> overlooked Indurain and Rominger, neither of whom had a compelling
>> financial or professional reason to do it. I think part of the reason
>> that there hasn't been much interest recently is the split records.
>> How special is it to break 49.700 km at this point? With the spectre
>> of Boardman's 56.375, I'd say not particularly. I'll concede that it's
>> possible in the era of the sound bite that the hour record may be
>> passe'. Unify the record book to currently acceptable TT equipment and
>> I think interest would be greater.
>>
>> Wonder why Hinault never gave it a try.
>
>
>
> Rominger had Testarossa as his motor and that should tell you how he did
> what he did. Indurain did it because it was the fad back then. But it
> did nothing for him and in fact might have hurt him. Don't forget that
> Indurain comes from the doping capital of the world.
>
> But for the most part you hit the nail on the head in that anyone who
> beats the traditional hour record of 49 now will still be substantially
> slower than the "unlimited" hour of 56 mph. Then there's the altitude
> vs. sea level record, indoor vs. outdoor...
>
> The UCI and national cycling federations are great at diluting the
> brand. Records use to be a big deal, but they no longer are because
> they have so many caveats.
>
> But the main reason why these records have waned amongst pros is because
> they don't lead to money. And that's what the bottom line to all proos
> is these days. Why add all that stress to your life to train for an
> hour record if there's no financial gain for it? Most top pros who can
> set a new hour record standard would rather spend their down time
> fucking stewardesses in LA or cheating on their wife in Las Vegas.
>
> There's no cashback for a world record. It's just a debit transaction.
>
>
> Magilla
> C.P.A.
>
>
>
Duh correction:
56 mph = 56 km
Magilla
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 11:55:38
From: stig
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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Magilla;
Fondriest's career was not to bad (even though he got the Rainbow
Jersey that was destined for Bauer):
Maurizio Fondriest1988 World Pro Road Race
1 stage, Tour of Switzerland
1990 Giro di Lazio
1991 World Cup Winner
1993 Milan - San Remo
Fl=E8che Wallone
Championship of Zurich
Giro dell'Emilia
Tirreno - Adriatico
GP du Midi Libre
1 stage, Giro d'Italia
World Cup Winner
1994 Giro di Lazio
1995 1 stage, Giro d'Italia
TTFN.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 10:42:22
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"Max Payne" <maxxxxx-payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:LltNi.34$y9.7@newsfe06.lga...
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/worlds07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/worl
ds07/worlds074/fs068
One thread should be enough on that if you must, but it's unfortune that the
Italians have not said a single word about her marvelous solo breakaway in
their forum. She earned it, and it reminds me about what they say in 1992
when Watt won. They called it an evil lesson that any rider can win against
all odds, not just the creme at the front. A lesser relatively unknown rider
went solo off the front taking the gold and the glory. More then likely it
will be the highlight of her cycling career, but what an inspiring finish, I
though she had the right stuff! However, Marta should try out some Banana
boat Aloe Vera with vitamen E, great stuff to use on hot sunny days, and
would of hidden that from the camera!
http://tinyurl.com/duhlc
GBMT
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 12:40:08
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
> "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-payne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:LltNi.34$y9.7@newsfe06.lga...
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/worlds07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/worl
> ds07/worlds074/fs068
>
> One thread should be enough on that if you must, but it's unfortune that the
> Italians have not said a single word about her marvelous solo breakaway in
> their forum. She earned it, and it reminds me about what they say in 1992
> when Watt won. They called it an evil lesson that any rider can win against
> all odds, not just the creme at the front. A lesser relatively unknown rider
> went solo off the front taking the gold and the glory. More then likely it
> will be the highlight of her cycling career, but what an inspiring finish, I
> though she had the right stuff! However, Marta should try out some Banana
> boat Aloe Vera with vitamen E, great stuff to use on hot sunny days, and
> would of hidden that from the camera!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/duhlc
>
> GBMT
>
>
Well, not to get too philosophical, but another lesson that can be
gleaned is that one day race results are meaningless. But we already
know this from Fondriest's rainbow jersey. They amount to a roll of the
dice. However, in a big Tour, you can't fake it over 2-3 weeks.
So was Watt a worthy champion? Well, given that she could never really
repeat her performance in Barcelona, I would say no. Same with Sara
"I've sucked since Athens" Carrigan. Carrigan's win was a fluke - much
like Alexi Grewal's gold medal against a diluted "Olympic" field. When
Grewal went to Europe, he was clearly out of his league.
Yeah, those cole sores or whatever it is on Marta's upper lip should
have been dealt with by her handlers prior to propping her up on the
podium. It was probably just a bad case of chapped lips, I'm sure, but
it shows incredible ignorance of marketiing PR on a worldwide stage by
her people.
Magilla
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 12:19:18
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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On Oct 10, 11:57 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
> > Hey loser,
>
> > Track events are timed events, dumbass.
>
> You seem to feel very strongly about this stuff. Have you considered
> getting out more ? I'm sure Tammy Thomas might find a gorilla sexy.
The shortest time doesn't win when it comes to sex. Well maybe...
unless it is with yourself. Hmmm... Bob? Comments?
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 16:02:55
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> On Oct 10, 11:57 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>> Hey loser,
>>> Track events are timed events, dumbass.
>> You seem to feel very strongly about this stuff. Have you considered
>> getting out more ? I'm sure Tammy Thomas might find a gorilla sexy.
>
> The shortest time doesn't win when it comes to sex. Well maybe...
> unless it is with yourself. Hmmm... Bob? Comments?
Ask me after you've gotten out a bit.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 08 Oct 2007 13:41:52
From: GoneBeforeMyTime
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fe8dp9$orf$1@aioe.org...
> GoneBeforeMyTime wrote:
>
> > "Max Payne" <maxxxxx-payne@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:LltNi.34$y9.7@newsfe06.lga...
> >
> >
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/worlds07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/worl
> > ds07/worlds074/fs068
> >
> > One thread should be enough on that if you must, but it's unfortune that
the
> > Italians have not said a single word about her marvelous solo breakaway
in
> > their forum. She earned it, and it reminds me about what they say in
1992
> > when Watt won. They called it an evil lesson that any rider can win
against
> > all odds, not just the creme at the front. A lesser relatively unknown
rider
> > went solo off the front taking the gold and the glory. More then likely
it
> > will be the highlight of her cycling career, but what an inspiring
finish, I
> > though she had the right stuff! However, Marta should try out some
Banana
> > boat Aloe Vera with vitamen E, great stuff to use on hot sunny days, and
> > would of hidden that from the camera!
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/duhlc
> >
> > GBMT
> >
> >
>
> Well, not to get too philosophical, but another lesson that can be
> gleaned is that one day race results are meaningless. But we already
> know this from Fondriest's rainbow jersey. They amount to a roll of the
> dice. However, in a big Tour, you can't fake it over 2-3 weeks.
Normally yes, one day race results seem to be meaningless, but the worlds is
a one day slugfest. Even the DNF list is chalk full of talent. It seems like
a lottery, but then not exactly. It's the only race of the year where all
the creme comes together in one place, and the start list is indeed
impressive. Of course the heavy favorites are good choices to place your
bets. While I got 1st and 2nd right on the TT, Vos is the only 1 of 3
choices I made that came up a winner on the RR, she took 2nd. So it's
somewhat predictable if everything goes according to Hoyle. But the worlds
is a war of attrition, and some top riders never race the worlds because of
it's intense pace. Luperini almost never races the worlds because of the
fast pace, and it's usually never selective enough for the climbers like it
was in 1995 at Duitama Columbia.
However stage races are the real test of a great all around rider, so those
winners are the real champions. I think yes, in a way the worlds is a
gimmick to a certain extent much like the road race at the games, in the
sense so much pride and prestige is placed on this one day race. Regina won
the worlds, but she's hardly lived up to the glory and prestige placed on
her shoulders. That's quite a bit of weight to carry, wearing the rainbow
jersey all year long. I think Vos has lived up to expectations, but not
Regina. Arndt has, since she is such a solid rider all year long, great in
every sense. But great team work helped Regina win, as did great team work
helped Marta win. Cantele been strong all year, so she was marked, but Marta
was not taken seriously, after Vos caught Cantele, Marta slipped away and
Vos didn't chase, so it was an evil lesson as they say. Pooley, Worrack,
Melchers, Cantele, especially Pooley did a lot of work at the front all day,
Pooley being the revelation this year, a pure climber in the making, but it
didn't make any difference in the end.
There is so much to be gained by winning the worlds and the games in terms
of market value, same with the world cup, but even the world cup is not a
fair assessment in the world rankings because a number of variables are not
taken into account. I think Alfred and Jeans rankings are more fair and
realistic account of who the best riders are. Geographics play an unfair
role making it easier for some riders to excel or attend all the world cup
events, while others are excluded.
>
> So was Watt a worthy champion?
IMO, I am going to say yes. After she sprinted pass Maria Purvis of Great
Britain, the video shows Watt setting her Advocet for a TT ride. She
obviously planned her move well, and from what I read and heard, Watt should
of been taken seriously because she was riding well all year both in track
and a good TT rider. I don't think the peleton did their homework on Watt or
they would of chased her down. Neither Inga, Leontien or Longo did anything
when Watt left the main field. It could be Watt was keeping a low profile in
her training leading up to the games, but I had read her excellent times
were known to some at the time. There were people who actually favored Watt
to win that race, believe it or not. Watt was away for a very long time and
nobody took up the chase. From the perspective of race officials at the
time, they said all the top riders were sapped, including Inga Thompson.
Only Longo was able to chase. I haven't researched Watt's palmares yet, so I
am not a expert on Watt, but I talked to her several times, and provided her
with a copy of that race on DVD, it was the biggest moment of her life. She
expressed to me that she feels she was a worthy champion.
Well, given that she could never really
> repeat her performance in Barcelona, I would say no.
Well, you might of read about all her troubles since that time going into
the next Olympics. CN actually covered Watts troubles in great detail over
several years about her problems with Lucy Tyler, some of the problems with
all the coaches and the Ausse sports institutions and all the endless court
proceedings. Watt went through hell for years, so it's no surprise that she
couldn't fully focus on her racing. I think she was depressed a lot during
the years following Barcelona.
Same with Sara
> "I've sucked since Athens" Carrigan. Carrigan's win was a fluke - much
> like Alexi Grewal's gold medal against a diluted "Olympic" field. When
> Grewal went to Europe, he was clearly out of his league.
Sara raced at Altitude, and really trained hard coming into the games, after
a injury previously. She broke away and keep the pace high until the end
doing quite a bit of work alone, but she did really benefit from drafting
Arndt, enough to recover and easily take the win, but Arndt was spent it
seemed, and not happy with the German Federation obviously the finger thing,
so I don't know why or at what point Arndt gave up at the end, but she
didn't ever try to counter Sara's move for the line, so a combination of
being spent and angry too I guess since her pal Rossner was kept out of the
games, but Sara seemed to have earned this win as well. However, yes, it's a
one day war of attrition and Sara had the right stuff on that day, she
peaked perfectly for that day and made the right move at the right time. But
obviously Sara has not been able to carry that level of racing into the next
year. Sara is not like Arndt, who seems to be good all year long no matter
what. Very few riders are totally awesome all the time so consistently like
Judith Arndt. Many riders rise to the occasion never to be heard of again.
Sara may never have another great event like that ever again, as where
Arndt, you can bet on it! Arndt is one of the greatest all around riders
ever. She's easily in my top ten.
>
> Yeah, those cole sores or whatever it is on Marta's upper lip should
> have been dealt with by her handlers prior to propping her up on the
> podium. It was probably just a bad case of chapped lips, I'm sure, but
> it shows incredible ignorance of marketiing PR on a worldwide stage by
> her people.
Yup, pass the lip balm. That does look really bad, they should of fixed
that.
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 14:27:34
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Magilla: What is your position on Italian babes with cold sores?
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"MagillaGorilla" <magilla@sandiegozoo.com > wrote in message
news:fe8dp9$orf$1@aioe.org...
>
> Well, not to get too philosophical, but another lesson that can be gleaned
> is that one day race results are meaningless. But we already know this
> from Fondriest's rainbow jersey. They amount to a roll of the dice.
> However, in a big Tour, you can't fake it over 2-3 weeks.
Doping proves otherwise.
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