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Date: 20 Jun 2007 17:36:23
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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"McQuaid has asked the teams not to use riders who do not sign, although he
admitted the riders could not be legally obligated to sign it. "Of course
you can say, that this is just a nice idea, but I am optimistic. I believe
that there is a serious wish within cycling for change, and that this is one
aspect."" http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun20news2
One can only hope that the riders see the opportunity in this statement. It
could prove to be the most-divisive knife to ever slice through the ranks or
professional cycling, or the most-unifying. From this we could possibly see
a real rider's union emerge. One that vows to continue to fight against
doping, but acknowledges that it's time to put the mistakes of the past
behind and look to the future.
It is at this point that, when someone asks who is guilty, *all* should step
forward. Especially the managers, the owners, even the race promoters. All
have been part of a system that simply hasn't worked, and all need to accept
blame, responsibility *and* forgiveness and move on.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 14:08:46
From: Fred Pan
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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This is where the door slams shut...
http://velonews.com/news/fea/12454.0.html
"Tour director Christian Prudhomme announced Tuesday that riders not signing
the declaration will doing something other than racing the Tour in July. "
Unless all the riders grow some balls and say they won't sign it and won't
ride the TdF. But my bet is they all cave in and sign it so they can ride.
I'd like them all to say they weren't signing unless the whole testing and
conviction procedures are revamped.
But that won't happen.
-Fred
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:eKjei.5398$bP5.5122@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> "McQuaid has asked the teams not to use riders who do not sign, although
> he admitted the riders could not be legally obligated to sign it. "Of
> course you can say, that this is just a nice idea, but I am optimistic. I
> believe that there is a serious wish within cycling for change, and that
> this is one aspect.""
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun20news2
>
> One can only hope that the riders see the opportunity in this statement.
> It could prove to be the most-divisive knife to ever slice through the
> ranks or professional cycling, or the most-unifying. From this we could
> possibly see a real rider's union emerge. One that vows to continue to
> fight against doping, but acknowledges that it's time to put the mistakes
> of the past behind and look to the future.
>
> It is at this point that, when someone asks who is guilty, *all* should
> step forward. Especially the managers, the owners, even the race
> promoters. All have been part of a system that simply hasn't worked, and
> all need to accept blame, responsibility *and* forgiveness and move on.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
>
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 19:24:52
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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> "Tour director Christian Prudhomme announced Tuesday that riders not
> signing the declaration will doing something other than racing the Tour in
> July. "
What a load of garbage. The UCI basically caving in to the ASO and making
things worse all-around. This whole thing smacks of some sort of
behind-the-scenes deal between the two organizations. ASO sorta wins, UCI
saves face, riders LOSE.
> Unless all the riders grow some balls and say they won't sign it and won't
> ride the TdF. But my bet is they all cave in and sign it so they can
> ride. I'd like them all to say they weren't signing unless the whole
> testing and conviction procedures are revamped.
As I said, EVERYONE should do the responsible thing, admit there's been a
problem, and admit that, regardless of their past, they represent part of
the solution. And to do so, EVERYONE must boycott signing the document.
Stand up and be counted as being signficant.
The ASO can say whatever it wants, but the TdF would not be the TdF as
*they* want it, if it were only regional division II & III teams. And geez,
if you want to see a group of guys that would almost have to resort to
doping to survive, those II & III folk... very ill-prepared for something
like a 3-week tour.
> But that won't happen.
But it should. And if nobody rode the TdF, I'd be one of the biggest losers.
I'm bringing my 14-year-old over to the Pyrenees to see it and ride the
climbs.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 08:58:47
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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In article
<8mVei.44$zA4.31@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> > "Tour director Christian Prudhomme announced Tuesday that riders not
> > signing the declaration will doing something other than racing the Tour in
> > July. "
>
> What a load of garbage. The UCI basically caving in to the ASO and making
> things worse all-around. This whole thing smacks of some sort of
> behind-the-scenes deal between the two organizations. ASO sorta wins, UCI
> saves face, riders LOSE.
Simple balance sheet analysis. How long will this
economy persist? Apparently for a very very long time.
Riders will become less and less of a factor, as they
earn less and less for their efforts. Does anybody see
a force waiting down the road that the current
governing bodies will be helpless to overcome or
neutralize? I do not.
> > Unless all the riders grow some balls and say they won't sign it and won't
> > ride the TdF. But my bet is they all cave in and sign it so they can
> > ride. I'd like them all to say they weren't signing unless the whole
> > testing and conviction procedures are revamped.
>
> As I said, EVERYONE should do the responsible thing, admit there's been a
> problem, and admit that, regardless of their past, they represent part of
> the solution. And to do so, EVERYONE must boycott signing the document.
> Stand up and be counted as being signficant.
>
> The ASO can say whatever it wants, but the TdF would not be the TdF as
> *they* want it, if it were only regional division II & III teams. And geez,
> if you want to see a group of guys that would almost have to resort to
> doping to survive, those II & III folk... very ill-prepared for something
> like a 3-week tour.
>
> > But that won't happen.
>
> But it should. And if nobody rode the TdF, I'd be one of the biggest losers.
> I'm bringing my 14-year-old over to the Pyrenees to see it and ride the
> climbs.
>
> --Mike--
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
--
Michael Press
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 21:00:08
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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>> What a load of garbage. The UCI basically caving in to the ASO and making
>> things worse all-around. This whole thing smacks of some sort of
>> behind-the-scenes deal between the two organizations. ASO sorta wins, UCI
>> saves face, riders LOSE.
>
> Simple balance sheet analysis. How long will this
> economy persist? Apparently for a very very long time.
> Riders will become less and less of a factor, as they
> earn less and less for their efforts. Does anybody see
> a force waiting down the road that the current
> governing bodies will be helpless to overcome or
> neutralize? I do not.
Very short-sighted though because, outside of France, the "story" doesn't
get play unless there's a lot of money behind it... and it "it" in this case
would be the athlete. American press doesn't care about an individual's epic
battle on a given day. But they do stand up and pay attention when an
athlete is getting a lot of money, and there are huge endorsement contracts
etc.
Further, what's going to be the draw for the cyclist of the future if they
can't pretend they have a possibility of making more than a meager living?
The cyclists have to stand up and be counted. No cyclists, no race. They're
looking more like greyhounds chasing a mechanical rabbit all the time.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 17:36:23
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:24:52 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com >
wrote:
>> "Tour director Christian Prudhomme announced Tuesday that riders not
>> signing the declaration will doing something other than racing the Tour in
>> July. "
>
>What a load of garbage. The UCI basically caving in to the ASO and making
>things worse all-around. This whole thing smacks of some sort of
>behind-the-scenes deal between the two organizations. ASO sorta wins, UCI
>saves face, riders LOSE.
>
>> Unless all the riders grow some balls and say they won't sign it and won't
>> ride the TdF. But my bet is they all cave in and sign it so they can
>> ride. I'd like them all to say they weren't signing unless the whole
>> testing and conviction procedures are revamped.
>
>As I said, EVERYONE should do the responsible thing, admit there's been a
>problem, and admit that, regardless of their past, they represent part of
>the solution. And to do so, EVERYONE must boycott signing the document.
>Stand up and be counted as being signficant.
>
>The ASO can say whatever it wants, but the TdF would not be the TdF as
>*they* want it, if it were only regional division II & III teams. And geez,
>if you want to see a group of guys that would almost have to resort to
>doping to survive, those II & III folk... very ill-prepared for something
>like a 3-week tour.
>
>> But that won't happen.
>
>But it should. And if nobody rode the TdF, I'd be one of the biggest losers.
>I'm bringing my 14-year-old over to the Pyrenees to see it and ride the
>climbs.
But think of the possibilities. If they end up running the tour with Div II &
III scabs, you and your kid could ride along with them to watch up close.
Ron
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 22:16:36
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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>>But it should. And if nobody rode the TdF, I'd be one of the biggest
>>losers.
>>I'm bringing my 14-year-old over to the Pyrenees to see it and ride the
>>climbs.
>
> But think of the possibilities. If they end up running the tour with Div
> II &
> III scabs, you and your kid could ride along with them to watch up close.
>
> Ron
I've already told my son that we'll be changing our schedule so we can
arrive a day or two before the start (in London). I figure there's a good
chance some desperate team might draft him!
Funny thing, all my racing back in the day, when I was young & stupid & had
no future... I had close to zero interest in the TdF. Not like I didn't have
exposure to it, having been a writer for Competitive Cycling. But it just
didn't seem like something that mattered (to me). And now? I'm a big fan.
Weird.
Those who can't do, become fans? Alternative to Fatty Masters?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 07:41:41
From: Mark
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> "McQuaid has asked the teams not to use riders who do not sign, although he
> admitted the riders could not be legally obligated to sign it. "Of course
> you can say, that this is just a nice idea, but I am optimistic. I believe
> that there is a serious wish within cycling for change, and that this is one
> aspect."" http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun20news2
>
> One can only hope that the riders see the opportunity in this statement. It
> could prove to be the most-divisive knife to ever slice through the ranks or
> professional cycling, or the most-unifying. From this we could possibly see
> a real rider's union emerge. One that vows to continue to fight against
> doping, but acknowledges that it's time to put the mistakes of the past
> behind and look to the future.
>
> It is at this point that, when someone asks who is guilty, *all* should step
> forward.
Should they chant "I am Spartacus" while they do it? I assume you mean
they should do this after *refusing* to sign.
Mark J.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 18:57:49
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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>> It is at this point that, when someone asks who is guilty, *all* should
>> step forward.
>
> Should they chant "I am Spartacus" while they do it? I assume you mean
> they should do this after *refusing* to sign.
EXACTLY. Thanks, I was trying to remember the movie reference.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 17:20:33
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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Mark <remove.mandmlj.this@remove.comcast.this.net > writes:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> "McQuaid has asked the teams not to use riders who do not sign,
>> although he admitted the riders could not be legally obligated to
>> sign it. "Of course you can say, that this is just a nice idea, but
>> I am optimistic. I believe that there is a serious wish within
>> cycling for change, and that this is one aspect.""
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun20news2
>>
>> One can only hope that the riders see the opportunity in this
>> statement. It could prove to be the most-divisive knife to ever
>> slice through the ranks or professional cycling, or the
>> most-unifying. From this we could possibly see a real rider's union
>> emerge. One that vows to continue to fight against doping, but
>> acknowledges that it's time to put the mistakes of the past behind
>> and look to the future.
>>
>> It is at this point that, when someone asks who is guilty, *all*
>> should step forward.
>
> Should they chant "I am Spartacus" while they do it? I assume you
> mean they should do this after *refusing* to sign.
>
> Mark J.
There are serious rumblings out of Italy
The riders' association there could possibly advise its members not to
sign
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Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 17:59:22
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> It is at this point that, when someone asks who is guilty, *all*
>>> should step forward.
Mark wrote:
>> Should they chant "I am Spartacus" while they do it? I assume you
>> mean they should do this after *refusing* to sign.
Davey Crockett wrote:
> There are serious rumblings out of Italy
Which, coincidentally, is where Spartacus used to hang out.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 15:11:07
From: Keith
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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>One can only hope that the riders see the opportunity in this statement. It
>could prove to be the most-divisive knife to ever slice through the ranks or
>professional cycling, or the most-unifying. From this we could possibly see
>a real rider's union emerge. One that vows to continue to fight against
>doping, but acknowledges that it's time to put the mistakes of the past
>behind and look to the future.
Dunno, last year Ullrich had signed a similar paper for his team,
hadn't agreed to the DNA testing though.
>
>--Mike Jacoubowsky
>Chain Reaction Bicycles
>www.ChainReaction.com
>Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 00:56:13
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: McQuaid leaves room for revolt
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:eKjei.5398$bP5.5122@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> "McQuaid has asked the teams not to use riders who do not sign, although
> he admitted the riders could not be legally obligated to sign it. "Of
> course you can say, that this is just a nice idea, but I am optimistic. I
> believe that there is a serious wish within cycling for change, and that
> this is one aspect.""
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun20news2
>
> One can only hope that the riders see the opportunity in this statement.
> It could prove to be the most-divisive knife to ever slice through the
> ranks or professional cycling, or the most-unifying. From this we could
> possibly see a real rider's union emerge. One that vows to continue to
> fight against doping, but acknowledges that it's time to put the mistakes
> of the past behind and look to the future.
>
> It is at this point that, when someone asks who is guilty, *all* should
> step forward. Especially the managers, the owners, even the race
> promoters. All have been part of a system that simply hasn't worked, and
> all need to accept blame, responsibility *and* forgiveness and move on.
If they were really a riders group they'd already have lynched Pound and
McQuaid and half the problem would have disappeared.
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