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Date: 08 Feb 2007 16:34:48
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Subject: Moniger is an Oxymoron
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Won't retire after a great year
Won't retire after a poor year
Mr "I had no idea that stuff was in my supplement" Moniger should have
been given a LIFETIME BAN FOR DRUG USE.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features.php?id=features/2007/bmc_camp07
"When I joined Health Net in 2003 and signed a two-year deal I thought
I might retire in that jersey," he said. "But at the end of 2005, I
won the individual NRC title and thought well, why not go for another
year. I didn't like the way 2006 played out, never felt like I was on
top of my game, so I didn't want to go out like that.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 01:32:41
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Moniger is an Oxymoron
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<dupedcyclist@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1170981288.063345.55240@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> Won't retire after a great year
> Won't retire after a poor year
>
> Mr "I had no idea that stuff was in my supplement" Moniger should have
> been given a LIFETIME BAN FOR DRUG USE.
>
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/features.php?id=features/2007/bmc_camp07
>
> "When I joined Health Net in 2003 and signed a two-year deal I thought
> I might retire in that jersey," he said. "But at the end of 2005, I
> won the individual NRC title and thought well, why not go for another
> year. I didn't like the way 2006 played out, never felt like I was on
> top of my game, so I didn't want to go out like that.
Are you really that angry that you were such a failure? You have to scream
insults at people walking down the street as well? Oh well, we're all
getting used to crazy homeless people.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 00:13:12
From: xzzy
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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DUPED wrote:
>> Mr "I had no idea that stuff was in my supplement" Moniger should have
>> been given a LIFETIME BAN FOR DRUG USE.
1. If you are going to spew, at least have it together enough to spell
Scott's name correctly
2. Unfortunately, MONINGER was done wrong because there was, and still is
not, a viable method of correctly releasing a cyclist from a positive when
the 'wrong' was done by the manufacturer rather than the cyclist.
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:ZaQyh.22247$yx6.14457@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> <dupedcyclist@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1170981288.063345.55240@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> Won't retire after a great year
>> Won't retire after a poor year
>>
>> Mr "I had no idea that stuff was in my supplement" Moniger should have
>> been given a LIFETIME BAN FOR DRUG USE.
>>
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/features.php?id=features/2007/bmc_camp07
>>
>> "When I joined Health Net in 2003 and signed a two-year deal I thought
>> I might retire in that jersey," he said. "But at the end of 2005, I
>> won the individual NRC title and thought well, why not go for another
>> year. I didn't like the way 2006 played out, never felt like I was on
>> top of my game, so I didn't want to go out like that.
>
> Are you really that angry that you were such a failure? You have to scream
> insults at people walking down the street as well? Oh well, we're all
> getting used to crazy homeless people.
>
>
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 12:23:23
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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xzzy wrote:
> 2. Unfortunately, MONINGER was done wrong because there was, and still is
> not, a viable method of correctly releasing a cyclist from a positive when
> the 'wrong' was done by the manufacturer rather than the cyclist.
Has Moninger ever explained the obviously and amateurishly
falsified test results he used to make his case for
supplement contamination?
I'd have given him two years. Six months for the test result
and 18 months for the fairy tale defense. I guess you like
fairy tales more than I do.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 12:04:54
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> I'd have given him two years. Six months for the test result
> and 18 months for the fairy tale defense. I guess you like
> fairy tales more than I do.
What would you have given VDB. His fairy tale was pretty original at the
time, after all. The mother in law one doesn't do it for me though; to
much like the big bad wolf.
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 22:36:01
From: crit pro
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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In article <w_2zh.5277$o61.1803@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net >,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
> I'd have given him two years. Six months for the test result
> and 18 months for the fairy tale defense. I guess you like
> fairy tales more than I do.
Spoken like a true ass-hole know-nothing wanna-be...go fuck yourself
Sch-wart-z.
idiot NO pro---- > Bob Schwartz
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 13:00:24
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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crit pro wrote:
> In article <w_2zh.5277$o61.1803@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I'd have given him two years. Six months for the test result
>> and 18 months for the fairy tale defense. I guess you like
>> fairy tales more than I do.
>
> Spoken like a true ass-hole know-nothing wanna-be...go fuck yourself
> Sch-wart-z.
>
> idiot NO pro----> Bob Schwartz
Well, that's a persuasive argument.
Here's the judgment:
http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/arbitration_ruling_4_3_2003_Moninger.pdf
He needs to explain that if he wants reasonable people
to buy into his story. If he can't then you and his
defenders need to STFU because it sure as hell looks
like he did it.
Really, his defense is comic. He may as well have blamed
it on his dog.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 19:29:49
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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"Bob Schwartz" <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:dDozh.5450$o61.2207@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> crit pro wrote:
>> In article <w_2zh.5277$o61.1803@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
>> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd have given him two years. Six months for the test result
>>> and 18 months for the fairy tale defense. I guess you like
>>> fairy tales more than I do.
>>
>> Spoken like a true ass-hole know-nothing wanna-be...go fuck yourself
>> Sch-wart-z. idiot NO pro----> Bob Schwartz
>
> Well, that's a persuasive argument.
>
> Here's the judgment:
>
> http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/arbitration_ruling_4_3_2003_Moninger.pdf
>
> He needs to explain that if he wants reasonable people
> to buy into his story. If he can't then you and his
> defenders need to STFU because it sure as hell looks
> like he did it.
>
> Really, his defense is comic. He may as well have blamed
> it on his dog.
Funny how to stupid asses who can't do anything themselves there are no time
limits to the world around them. Moninger was given a year's suspension and
served his time. If you don't like the way that the Court of Arbitration
handled it you have the option of writing a letter of complaint to them.
Instead you prefer to be a Schwartz about it. So may the Schwartz be with
you.
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 06:40:26
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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"crit pro" <critpro@aol.com > wrote in message
news:critpro-54C533.22360109022007@bignews.bellsouth.net...
> In article <w_2zh.5277$o61.1803@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>,
> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I'd have given him two years. Six months for the test result
>> and 18 months for the fairy tale defense. I guess you like
>> fairy tales more than I do.
>
> Spoken like a true ass-hole know-nothing wanna-be...go fuck yourself
> Sch-wart-z.
>
> idiot NO pro----> Bob Schwartz
Well, you know how it is - those who can do and those who can't are
Schwartz.
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 13:02:36
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> Well, you know how it is - those who can do and those who can't are
> Schwartz.
Dumbass,
Sorry, I'm not going to Chung-up to this one.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 05:07:53
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Sorry, I'm not going to Chung-up to this one.
Those who can, do.
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Date: 10 Feb 2007 22:38:14
From: xzzy
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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I hope RBR and Cycling can learn from:
A few years ago, when I was getting my MBA, my Channels of Distribution
class required me to work with a company to help them with distribution
issues.
The company I was assigned to was a supplement company and their
distribution issues were interesting and solved.
What is important to this discussion is that they used the same mixers to
mix all products. Each product only seperated by a quick rinsing of a
machine. I asked; doesn't that mean some of one product can become a part
of the next batch. I was told, yes, but it was not important because
producing product was important.
Keep in mind that the supplement industry is not regulated the same as the
pharmacutical industry.
Meaning even if you have a blank check guarantee from a supplement company
that their products will not cause positive tests, this does not mean that
any one container of supplement will comply.
I believe it is wrong for a cyclist to be held accountable for the improper
actions of others, for which the cyclist could not have known about or
avoided.
"Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid > wrote in message
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> Bob Schwartz wrote:
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>> Sorry, I'm not going to Chung-up to this one.
>
> Those who can, do.
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Date: 11 Feb 2007 07:06:34
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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xzzy wrote:
> I hope RBR and Cycling can learn from:
I hope *you* can learn from this.
Read the fucking judgment. Your sad story does not
explain the test result that is described in the
judgment. The test result Moninger presented in
his defense in simply not possible, and in a comical
way. It is very, very, clearly falsified.
> I believe it is wrong for a cyclist to be held accountable
> for the improper actions of others, for which the cyclist
> could not have known about or avoided.
I believe it is wrong for Moninger to make shit up
and then point to that made up shit as an explanation
for the test result.
I believe people like you should stop assisting him
in this effort. It is dishonest and wrong.
Have you read the judgment? Read the judgment. It's
in your interest to read it, he's making you look
bad. You shouldn't let him do that.
http://www.usantidoping.org/files/active/arbitration_rulings/arbitration_ruling_4_3_2003_Moninger.pdf
If you are going to apologize for him you need to
explain the clearly falsified test result he presented.
And the explanation can't involve any dogs.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 09 Feb 2007 16:50:09
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: DupedCyclist is an Oxymoron
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"xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> DUPED wrote:
>>> Mr "I had no idea that stuff was in my supplement" Moniger should have
>>> been given a LIFETIME BAN FOR DRUG USE.
>
> 1. If you are going to spew, at least have it together enough to spell
> Scott's name correctly
>
> 2. Unfortunately, MONINGER was done wrong because there was, and still is
> not, a viable method of correctly releasing a cyclist from a positive when
> the 'wrong' was done by the manufacturer rather than the cyclist.
Anyone that has the history knows full well who "dupedcyclist" is and we
don't need to publish his name or his crusade.
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