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Date: 30 Apr 2007 11:58:56
From: Sandy
Subject: Morals in France
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Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au départ des
Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
Non 86,36%
Sans opinion 1,52%
From Velo101 today.
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Sandy
--
Si les autres parties du monde ont des singes ; l'Europe a des Français.
Cela se compense.
[Arthur Schopenhauer]
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 12:32:02
From: Mr. K.V.B.L.
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Apr 30, 9:47 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1177942414.695003.262830@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
>
> All that proves is that 56 percent of us lie. We are a nasty bunch. Why do
> foreigners think that French are rude, arrogant and hostile to tourists? I
> really think we go out of the way to be pleasant, compared to the way we
> treat one another.
Maybe the French routinely mistake tourists to be other French
people? ;-)
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 10:53:54
From: Geraard Spergen
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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Sandy wrote:
> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au départ des
> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> Non 86,36%
> Sans opinion 1,52%
>
>
> From Velo101 today.
Spock! For the love of God, learn to round off!
BTW, who goes to a polling website to vote "Sans opinion"?
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 15:35:50
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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In article <46362daa$0$21381$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com >,
Geraard Spergen <GSpergen@spammagnet.net > wrote:
> Sandy wrote:
> > Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au départ des
> > Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> > Non 86,36%
> > Sans opinion 1,52%
> >
> >
> > From Velo101 today.
>
> Spock! For the love of God, learn to round off!
> BTW, who goes to a polling website to vote "Sans opinion"?
Indecisive people who feel compelled to participate. Or maybe it's
part of their community service...
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 10:24:09
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Apr 30, 11:12 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> > Bill C
>
> Write another nice thing about us, and your passport will be stamped "PNG"
> for France !- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
About the only place we ran into some REALLY nasty shop and
restaurant owners was in Berchtesgaden where we used to go quite a bit
since it wasn't too far from Augsburg, had a military vacation center,
and is beautiful and full of history. Unfortunately some of the people
hated tourists in general and Americans in particular. They shot
themselves in the foot though because the places just got ut on the
military "off limits" list, so they lost a ton of money.
On the other hand both Strasbourg and Metz were fantastic. Love it
here in New England and I'm getting closet to doing lots of things
like hiking, canoeing, riding, etc...that I do here, but
Kaiserslautern had all of that, except the canoeing and more and
better.
Tons of different things to do in both places. I really missed all
the fishing and shooting I do here when I was there, but we
Volksmarched and did tons of family rides, town events and Deutschbahn
day trips to check out all the cool events and historical places.
Gotta win a huge lottery award so I can split living between here and
Rheinland-Pfalz with unlimited rail and bus passes over there.
Hell I could come see you guys and Davey too. Life would be great.
Dreaming
Bill C
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 18:30:18
From: Bob Martin
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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in 541181 20070430 182409 Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>On Apr 30, 11:12 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>
>> > Bill C
>>
>> Write another nice thing about us, and your passport will be stamped "PNG"
>> for France !- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>About the only place we ran into some REALLY nasty shop and
>restaurant owners was in Berchtesgaden where we used to go quite a bit
>since it wasn't too far from Augsburg, had a military vacation center,
>and is beautiful and full of history. Unfortunately some of the people
>hated tourists in general and Americans in particular. They shot
>themselves in the foot though because the places just got ut on the
>military "off limits" list, so they lost a ton of money.
>On the other hand both Strasbourg and Metz were fantastic. Love it
>here in New England and I'm getting closet to doing lots of things
>like hiking, canoeing, riding, etc...that I do here, but
>Kaiserslautern had all of that, except the canoeing and more and
>better.
>Tons of different things to do in both places. I really missed all
>the fishing and shooting I do here when I was there, but we
>Volksmarched and did tons of family rides, town events and Deutschbahn
>day trips to check out all the cool events and historical places.
>Gotta win a huge lottery award so I can split living between here and
>Rheinland-Pfalz with unlimited rail and bus passes over there.
>Hell I could come see you guys and Davey too. Life would be great.
>Dreaming
>Bill C
Yes, I was lucky enough to live near Stuttgart for a year - I loved it.
It's certainly stimulating living in another country - everyone should try it.
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 10:04:07
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Apr 30, 5:41 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1177945895.729910.44310@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.c=
om,
> ilan <ila...@yahoo.com> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 11:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
> >> Les coureurs impliqu=E9s dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils =EAtre au
> >> d=E9part des Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> >> Non 86,36%
> >> Sans opinion 1,52%
>
> >> From Velo101 today.
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Sandy
>
> >> --
> >> Si les autres parties du monde ont des singes ; l'Europe a des
> >> Fran=E7ais. Cela se compense.
> >> [Arthur Schopenhauer]
>
> > During the coverage of Liege Bastogne Liege yesterday, France
> > Television commentator Jean-Rene Goddard twice stated that the
> > initiative to turn away Puerto riders was a good thing for cycling
> > (France Television is owned by the State, not ASO). Colour commentator
> > Laurent Jalabert made no statement regarding this issue (Jalabert
> > represented the riders in the 1998 Tour and led the withdrawal of all
> > Spanish teams).
>
> > -ilan
>
> If he read this forum, he would be the first to tell you it's spelled
> Godart. And if you can find a device that turns him off, kindly inform m=
e=2E
> Whatever the problems I read about the USA transmissions, I am sure they =
are
> puny complaints, by comparison.
Well, it turns out that there are twin cycling commentators, Godard
and Godart. Otherwise, yesterday's
comments hearken back to the 1999 Liege-Bastogne-Liege in which he
spent the last 15 minutes
of the race raving about how Vandenbrouck represented the renewal of
cycling after the Festina affair and how
VDB was the star of the new generation of clean riders.
-ilan
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 08:11:35
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Apr 30, 11:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Les coureurs impliqu=E9s dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils =EAtre au d=E9=
part des
> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> Non 86,36%
> Sans opinion 1,52%
>
> From Velo101 today.
> --
> --
> Sandy
>
> --
> Si les autres parties du monde ont des singes ; l'Europe a des Fran=E7ais.
> Cela se compense.
> [Arthur Schopenhauer]
During the coverage of Liege Bastogne Liege yesterday, France
Television commentator Jean-Rene Goddard twice stated that the
initiative to turn away Puerto riders was a good thing for cycling
(France Television is owned by the State, not ASO). Colour commentator
Laurent Jalabert made no statement regarding this issue (Jalabert
represented the riders in the 1998 Tour and led the withdrawal of all
Spanish teams).
-ilan
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 17:41:24
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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Dans le message de
news:1177945895.729910.44310@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
ilan <ilanpi@yahoo.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On Apr 30, 11:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au
>> départ des Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
>> Non 86,36%
>> Sans opinion 1,52%
>>
>> From Velo101 today.
>> --
>> --
>> Sandy
>>
>> --
>> Si les autres parties du monde ont des singes ; l'Europe a des
>> Français. Cela se compense.
>> [Arthur Schopenhauer]
>
> During the coverage of Liege Bastogne Liege yesterday, France
> Television commentator Jean-Rene Goddard twice stated that the
> initiative to turn away Puerto riders was a good thing for cycling
> (France Television is owned by the State, not ASO). Colour commentator
> Laurent Jalabert made no statement regarding this issue (Jalabert
> represented the riders in the 1998 Tour and led the withdrawal of all
> Spanish teams).
>
> -ilan
If he read this forum, he would be the first to tell you it's spelled
Godart. And if you can find a device that turns him off, kindly inform me.
Whatever the problems I read about the USA transmissions, I am sure they are
puny complaints, by comparison.
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Date: 02 May 2007 00:48:41
From: Tom Grosman
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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"Sandy" <leurre@frree.fr > a écrit dans le message de news:
46360e25$0$32307$426a34cc@news.free.fr...
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 08:01:40
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Apr 30, 10:47 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1177942414.695003.262830@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.=
com,
> Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 30, 9:18 am, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
> >> <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>
> >>> Les coureurs impliqu=E9s dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils =EAtre au
> >>> d=E9part des
> >>> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> >>> Non 86,36%
> >>> Sans opinion 1,52%
>
> >>> From Velo101 today.
>
> >> Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
> >> interesting result don't you think Sandy?
>
> >> It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who
> >> answered yes or no defined "implicated".
>
> >> Benjo
>
> > Maybe this poll sheds some light on it:
>
> >http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070427/ts_nm/france_dislike_dc_1
>
> > PARIS (Reuters) - The French dislike themselves even more than the
> > Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on
> > Friday.
> > The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald
> > Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French
> > people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
> > respondents who had a negative view of the French
>
> > The French don't seem to be real happy campers at the moment.
> > Bill C
>
> All that proves is that 56 percent of us lie. We are a nasty bunch. Why=
do
> foreigners think that French are rude, arrogant and hostile to tourists? =
I
> really think we go out of the way to be pleasant, compared to the way we
> treat one another.
> --
> Sandy
> --
> Il n'est aucune sorte de sensation qui soit plus vive
> que celle de la douleur ; ses impressions sont s=FBres,
> elles ne trompent point comme celles du plaisir.
> - de Sade.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Must the be German in me, given the poll result, and living in
Germany, because other than a few, I hestitate to even call them
incidents in Paris I liked France and had no problems. My sister-in-
Law is going back over to teach seminars this summer and my daughter
is doing an intensive language exchange program with the University in
Tours this summer. I can't remember the name of the village, but it's
just across the border from Pirmasens Germany, that we used to go to
about once a month for great fresh fish and seafood, and we did a lot
of wandering around in the border area with great results.
I'd say the same thing about France and the French that I say about
the US. Most of the people are way too down on their Countries, and
way to ready to do it. We've both got a lot to fix, but the core is
still incredibly solid.
Bill C
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 17:12:34
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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Dans le message de
news:1177945300.643056.325500@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On Apr 30, 10:47 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>> Dans le message
>> denews:1177942414.695003.262830@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, Bill C
>> <tritonri...@verizon.net> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 9:18 am, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>>>> <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au
>>>>> départ des
>>>>> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
>>>>> Non 86,36%
>>>>> Sans opinion 1,52%
>>
>>>>> From Velo101 today.
>>
>>>> Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
>>>> interesting result don't you think Sandy?
>>
>>>> It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who
>>>> answered yes or no defined "implicated".
>>
>>>> Benjo
>>
>>> Maybe this poll sheds some light on it:
>>
>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070427/ts_nm/france_dislike_dc_1
>>
>>> PARIS (Reuters) - The French dislike themselves even more than the
>>> Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on
>>> Friday.
>>> The survey of six nations, carried out for the International
>>> Herald Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of
>>> French people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
>>> respondents who had a negative view of the French
>>
>>> The French don't seem to be real happy campers at the moment.
>>> Bill C
>>
>> All that proves is that 56 percent of us lie. We are a nasty bunch.
>> Why do foreigners think that French are rude, arrogant and hostile
>> to tourists? I really think we go out of the way to be pleasant,
>> compared to the way we treat one another.
>> --
>> Sandy
>> --
>> Il n'est aucune sorte de sensation qui soit plus vive
>> que celle de la douleur ; ses impressions sont sûres,
>> elles ne trompent point comme celles du plaisir.
>> - de Sade.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Must the be German in me, given the poll result, and living in
> Germany, because other than a few, I hestitate to even call them
> incidents in Paris I liked France and had no problems. My sister-in-
> Law is going back over to teach seminars this summer and my daughter
> is doing an intensive language exchange program with the University in
> Tours this summer. I can't remember the name of the village, but it's
> just across the border from Pirmasens Germany, that we used to go to
> about once a month for great fresh fish and seafood, and we did a lot
> of wandering around in the border area with great results.
> I'd say the same thing about France and the French that I say about
> the US. Most of the people are way too down on their Countries, and
> way to ready to do it. We've both got a lot to fix, but the core is
> still incredibly solid.
> Bill C
Write another nice thing about us, and your passport will be stamped "PNG"
for France !
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 07:13:34
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Apr 30, 9:18 am, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>
> > Les coureurs impliqu=E9s dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils =EAtre au d=
=E9part
> > des
> > Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> > Non 86,36%
> > Sans opinion 1,52%
>
> > From Velo101 today.
>
> Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
> interesting result don't you think Sandy?
>
> It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who answered =
yes
> or no defined "implicated".
>
> Benjo
Maybe this poll sheds some light on it:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070427/ts_nm/france_dislike_dc_1
PARIS (Reuters) - The French dislike themselves even more than the
Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on
Friday.
The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald
Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French
people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
respondents who had a negative view of the French
The French don't seem to be real happy campers at the moment.
Bill C
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 23:52:23
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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> "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1177942414.695003.262830@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Apr 30, 9:18 am, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
> > <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
> >
> > > Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au
> > > départ
> > > des
> > > Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> > > Non 86,36%
> > > Sans opinion 1,52%
> >
> > > From Velo101 today.
> >
> > Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
> > interesting result don't you think Sandy?
> >
> > It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who answered
> > yes
> > or no defined "implicated".
>
> The French don't seem to be real happy campers at the moment.
Which is a shame since most of the French are exceedingly good people.
Certainly better than your average New Yorker.
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 16:47:10
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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Dans le message de
news:1177942414.695003.262830@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On Apr 30, 9:18 am, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>> <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au
>>> départ des
>>> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
>>> Non 86,36%
>>> Sans opinion 1,52%
>>
>>> From Velo101 today.
>>
>> Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
>> interesting result don't you think Sandy?
>>
>> It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who
>> answered yes or no defined "implicated".
>>
>> Benjo
>
> Maybe this poll sheds some light on it:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070427/ts_nm/france_dislike_dc_1
>
> PARIS (Reuters) - The French dislike themselves even more than the
> Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on
> Friday.
> The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald
> Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French
> people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
> respondents who had a negative view of the French
>
>
> The French don't seem to be real happy campers at the moment.
> Bill C
All that proves is that 56 percent of us lie. We are a nasty bunch. Why do
foreigners think that French are rude, arrogant and hostile to tourists? I
really think we go out of the way to be pleasant, compared to the way we
treat one another.
--
Sandy
--
Il n'est aucune sorte de sensation qui soit plus vive
que celle de la douleur ; ses impressions sont sûres,
elles ne trompent point comme celles du plaisir.
- de Sade.
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Date: 01 May 2007 04:29:18
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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>> The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald
>> Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French
>> people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
>> respondents who had a negative view of the French
>>
>>
>> The French don't seem to be real happy campers at the moment.
>> Bill C
>
> All that proves is that 56 percent of us lie. We are a nasty bunch. Why
> do foreigners think that French are rude, arrogant and hostile to
> tourists? I really think we go out of the way to be pleasant, compared to
> the way we treat one another.
Sandy: As much as you might think you're joking, it's at least partly true.
My second trip to Paris (3rd trip to France) I decided to hang out in the
hotel lobby for a while, watching the goings-on between staff and guests.
Without exception, the rudest treatment was reserved for French vacationers,
especially, it seemed, those from the south.
The only times I've been subjected to rudeness have been pretty much of my
own making. From my almost-daily diary section at the time-
(http://www.chainreactionbicycles.com/diaryfrance.htm#notthegreatestday0726)
"I was definitely getting hungry & thirsty by now, so, on the way back to
the car, I stop in at the local Casino Supermarket. This is when the day
started to go seriously bad. I thought I had everything down good, and the
Euros sure make it easier to pay, but didn't realize that, in France, you
weigh your fruit & veggies yourself, before bringing them to the counter.
Not an especially wonderful moment for me as I'm holding up a long line
while they call for a young girl who (slowly) takes the bag back to the
produce section, weighs it, and comes back. So, we're back to the French
gaffe of the day."
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 17:39:28
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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"Sandy" <leurre@frree.fr > wrote in message
news:4636016e$0$3246$426a34cc@news.free.fr...
> Dans le message de
> news:1177942414.695003.262830@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
> Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>> On Apr 30, 9:18 am, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>>> <cyclin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au
>>>> départ des
>>>> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
>>>> Non 86,36%
>>>> Sans opinion 1,52%
>>>
>>>> From Velo101 today.
>>>
>>> Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
>>> interesting result don't you think Sandy?
>>>
>>> It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who
>>> answered yes or no defined "implicated".
>>>
>>> Benjo
>>
>> Maybe this poll sheds some light on it:
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070427/ts_nm/france_dislike_dc_1
>>
>> PARIS (Reuters) - The French dislike themselves even more than the
>> Americans dislike them, according to an opinion poll published on
>> Friday.
>> The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald
>> Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French
>> people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
>> respondents who had a negative view of the French
>>
>>
>> The French don't seem to be real happy campers at the moment.
>> Bill C
>
> All that proves is that 56 percent of us lie. We are a nasty bunch. Why
> do foreigners think that French are rude, arrogant and hostile to
> tourists? I really think we go out of the way to be pleasant, compared to
> the way we treat one another.
I've been at least a hundred times in France (it's pretty close to Holland)
and I've met only once a guy who was rude, arrogant and hostile as without
reason. He was also drunk, by the way.
Benjo
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 23:54:53
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:59mgtfF2l1i18U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> I've been at least a hundred times in France (it's pretty close to
> Holland) and I've met only once a guy who was rude, arrogant and hostile
> as without reason. He was also drunk, by the way.
That's a lot better average than the Italian tourists I met in Paris.
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 18:27:03
From: Bob Martin
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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in 541172 20070430 163928 "benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote:
>I've been at least a hundred times in France (it's pretty close to Holland)
>and I've met only once a guy who was rude, arrogant and hostile as without
>reason. He was also drunk, by the way.
On my last trip a woman at the supermarket checkout was incredibly rude
and unpleasant - until she realised I wasn't French, then she was all smiles.
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 23:55:50
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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"Bob Martin" <bob.martin@excite.com > wrote in message
news:XxqZh.285$2i.38@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> in 541172 20070430 163928 "benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>>I've been at least a hundred times in France (it's pretty close to
>>Holland)
>>and I've met only once a guy who was rude, arrogant and hostile as without
>>reason. He was also drunk, by the way.
>
> On my last trip a woman at the supermarket checkout was incredibly rude
> and unpleasant - until she realised I wasn't French, then she was all
> smiles.
Maybe she thought you particularly ugly for a Frenchman and then realized
you were American and was so relieved she forgot to be nasty?
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 10:26:01
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On 30 Apr 2007 07:13:34 -0700, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald
>Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French
>people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
>respondents who had a negative view of the French
Not all that convinced that it is all that unhealthy. I would hope
that at least 40% of U.S. citizens would have a problem with where we
are right now. I know I do. And I'm not doing enough to set it
straight, so I'm not too happy with me, either. Writing checks these
days isn't nearly enough.
Now that I've flapped the Monday morning red flag, let me get back to
payroll...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 01 May 2007 02:14:57
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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In article <s82c33tf45tb8p7cu6f4hdd60cv09lsrqt@4ax.com >,
Curtis L. Russell <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2007 07:13:34 -0700, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >The survey of six nations, carried out for the International Herald
> >Tribune daily and France 24 TV station, said 44 percent of French
> >people thought badly of themselves against 38 percent of U.S.
> >respondents who had a negative view of the French
>
> Not all that convinced that it is all that unhealthy. I would hope
> that at least 40% of U.S. citizens would have a problem with where we
> are right now. I know I do. And I'm not doing enough to set it
> straight, so I'm not too happy with me, either. Writing checks these
> days isn't nearly enough.
>
> Now that I've flapped the Monday morning red flag, let me get back to
> payroll...
Curtis, you aren't one of those corporate raiders, are you?
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 01 May 2007 07:37:52
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Tue, 01 May 2007 02:14:57 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca >
wrote:
>
>Curtis, you aren't one of those corporate raiders, are you?
Briefly. Her dad said I had to give the lemonade stand back. Bad
corner anyway.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 01 May 2007 08:47:37
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Curtis, you aren't one of those corporate raiders, are you?
His next target is LIVEDRUNK(tm).
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 06:10:57
From:
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Les coureurs impliqu=E9s dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils =EAtre au d=E9=
part des
> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> Non 86,36%
> Sans opinion 1,52%
>
> From Velo101 today.
Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
interesting result don't you think Sandy?
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 15:18:52
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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<cyclintom@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au départ
> des
> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
> Non 86,36%
> Sans opinion 1,52%
>
> From Velo101 today.
Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
interesting result don't you think Sandy?
It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who answered yes
or no defined "implicated".
Benjo
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 16:54:53
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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Dans le message de news:59m8lsF2lchvhU1@mid.individual.net,
benjo maso <benjo.maso@chello.nl > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au
>> départ des
>> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
>> Non 86,36%
>> Sans opinion 1,52%
>>
>> From Velo101 today.
>
> Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
> interesting result don't you think Sandy?
>
> It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who
> answered yes or no defined "implicated".
>
> Benjo
As you surely know, the web service caters to competition, so the large
majority see themselves as fit, competetive, etc. My thoughts - that the
great majority of voters in this poll see their perpetual losing (why else
would you read a rag, if you were on top and earning money?) as a result of
being clean while others dope.
Two local friends just returned in mid-season, leaving their pro teams. Not
because of doping, but because the motivation to win was destroyed, since
the better they did, the more spectators asked what they took to get there,
and the greater the suspicion amongst their peers.
Latest poll results, 5 times the earlier sample :
Oui 14,77%
Non 81,82%
Sans opinion 3,41%
--
Sandy
--
Il n'est aucune sorte de sensation qui soit plus vive
que celle de la douleur ; ses impressions sont sûres,
elles ne trompent point comme celles du plaisir.
- de Sade.
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 17:31:04
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Morals in France
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"Sandy" <leurre@frree.fr > wrote in message
news:4636033d$0$2480$426a34cc@news.free.fr...
> Dans le message de news:59m8lsF2lchvhU1@mid.individual.net,
> benjo maso <benjo.maso@chello.nl> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1177938657.557240.285620@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Apr 30, 5:58 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>>> Les coureurs impliqués dans l'affaire Puerto doivent-ils être au
>>> départ des
>>> Grands Tours ?Oui 12,12%
>>> Non 86,36%
>>> Sans opinion 1,52%
>>>
>>> From Velo101 today.
>>
>> Aside from having to translate that into English it is a pretty
>> interesting result don't you think Sandy?
>>
>> It would be even more interesting if we knew how the people who
>> answered yes or no defined "implicated".
>>
>> Benjo
>
> As you surely know, the web service caters to competition, so the large
> majority see themselves as fit, competetive, etc. My thoughts - that the
> great majority of voters in this poll see their perpetual losing (why else
> would you read a rag, if you were on top and earning money?) as a result
> of being clean while others dope.
> Two local friends just returned in mid-season, leaving their pro teams.
> Not because of doping, but because the motivation to win was destroyed,
> since the better they did, the more spectators asked what they took to get
> there, and the greater the suspicion amongst their peers.
Yes, I know. One of the other side effects of the anti-doping campaign. And
not only the riders of today are the victims, but even the riders of the
past. Two or three years ago I met Lucien Teisseire, one of the champions of
the 1940's and early 1950's. He told me: once they came to me to ask about
Coppi, Bartali, Bobet or Robic. Nowadays they only ask: what kinds of doping
did you take?
> Latest poll results, 5 times the earlier sample :
>
> Oui 14,77%
> Non 81,82%
> Sans opinion 3,41%
I hadn't understood it was a poll on internet. It eases my mind: even if the
question wasn't so clumsily formulated, it would have been completely
unreliable.
Benjo
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