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Date: 27 Mar 2007 23:51:57
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Mr. 64%
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http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
ROTFLMO!!
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 09:58:58
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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On 28, 10:18 am, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid> wrote in message
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> news:56vf5mF2a65nkU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > benjo maso wrote:
> >> To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
> >> introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good
> >> results encouraged other riders to use it".
>
> > I'm waiting for riders to take more testosterone because of Landis' good
> > results.
>
> Or Jack Daniels of course.
Aren't those the same? --D-y
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 08:06:02
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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On 28, 9:32 am, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Dumbass -
>
> This really, really sucks.
>
> First Kunich comes back, then so do you [Lafferty].
>
> I'm not sure which one is more lame - the political nutjob or the
> LANCE-obsessor.
I think you have to go to volume on this one. --D-y
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 07:32:03
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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On 27, 4:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <M...@Italia.com > wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>
>
> I know. I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
Dumbass -
This really, really sucks.
First Kunich comes back, then so do you.
I'm not sure which one is more lame - the political nutjob or the
LANCE-obsessor.
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 22:19:29
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> This really, really sucks.
>
> First Kunich comes back, then so do you.
>
> I'm not sure which one is more lame - the political nutjob or the
> LANCE-obsessor.
Bit of a disappointing reappearance. It seems Schwartzosoft have learned
about vaporware from micro$oft.
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 21:09:30
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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On 27, 11:00 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>
> news:HmiOh.9623$JZ3.3757@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >>http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
>
> >> ROTFLMO!!
>
> > A bit late to the party? Benjo brought this up a couple days ago- scroll
> > down for the thread "Jef D'Hont" for the complete discussion.
>
> To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
> introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good results
> encouraged other riders to use it". Interesting statement. Until now it was
> generally believed that EPO became to be considered indispensable only in
> 1994 after the results of Gewiss under the inspiring leadership of dr.
> Michele Ferrari, probably helped by the spoigneurs of Gewiss. And look
> there, what a coincidence! One of those soigneurs was a certain Jef D'Hont!
> He only went to Telekom in 1996. But of course, as he said, it wasn't D'Hont
> who introduced EPO at the Telekom team, they were already converted thanks
> to Ampler's impressing results. Do you want a proof? Just look at Ampler's
> results. Ampler was one of the most promising amateurs. World Champion at
> the road, Olympic champion on the track, winner of the Peace race, etc. In
> 1990 he did pretty well. In 1991 already less, and during the two years he
> was at the Telekom team, he seemd to be burnt out. In two years just one
> win: the GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen in 1992. In 1993: nothing. Of course,
> everyone wants to win the GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen, so no wonder that the
> whole team immediately started to take epo too (by the way, this is meant to
> be ironic).
dumbass,
the obvious conclusion is that after ampler turned everyone else on to
EPO he no longer had the advantage.
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 15:52:41
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175054970.838967.293470@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On 27, 11:00 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:HmiOh.9623$JZ3.3757@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> >>http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
>>
>> >> ROTFLMO!!
>>
>> > A bit late to the party? Benjo brought this up a couple days ago-
>> > scroll
>> > down for the thread "Jef D'Hont" for the complete discussion.
>>
>> To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
>> introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good
>> results
>> encouraged other riders to use it". Interesting statement. Until now it
>> was
>> generally believed that EPO became to be considered indispensable only in
>> 1994 after the results of Gewiss under the inspiring leadership of dr.
>> Michele Ferrari, probably helped by the spoigneurs of Gewiss. And look
>> there, what a coincidence! One of those soigneurs was a certain Jef
>> D'Hont!
>> He only went to Telekom in 1996. But of course, as he said, it wasn't
>> D'Hont
>> who introduced EPO at the Telekom team, they were already converted
>> thanks
>> to Ampler's impressing results. Do you want a proof? Just look at
>> Ampler's
>> results. Ampler was one of the most promising amateurs. World Champion at
>> the road, Olympic champion on the track, winner of the Peace race, etc.
>> In
>> 1990 he did pretty well. In 1991 already less, and during the two years
>> he
>> was at the Telekom team, he seemd to be burnt out. In two years just one
>> win: the GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen in 1992. In 1993: nothing. Of course,
>> everyone wants to win the GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen, so no wonder that
>> the
>> whole team immediately started to take epo too (by the way, this is meant
>> to
>> be ironic).
>
> dumbass,
>
> the obvious conclusion is that after ampler turned everyone else on to
> EPO he no longer had the advantage.
So which results of of Ampler's were so impressive that he turned everyone
else (not only the Telekom team?) on to EPO? I can't find them.
Benjo
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 17:41:50
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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On 27, 7:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <M...@Italia.com > wrote:
> I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
Looks like you slid into your old place with no change in rhythm <g >.
An observer in the Riis years noted some riders, incl. Mr. 64(!)%,
gaining weight and turning orange during the Tour.
Carrot juice and protein powder, perhaps? --D-y
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 11:32:06
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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<dustoyevsky@mac.com > wrote in message
news:1175042510.434756.251650@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 27, 7:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <M...@Italia.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
>
> Looks like you slid into your old place with no change in rhythm <g>.
>
> An observer in the Riis years noted some riders, incl. Mr. 64(!)%,
> gaining weight and turning orange during the Tour.
>
> Carrot juice and protein powder, perhaps? --D-y
Liver function compromise--bilirubin buildup.
>
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:07:52
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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dustoyevsky wrote in message
>> An observer in the Riis years noted some riders, incl. Mr. 64(!)%,
>> gaining weight and turning orange during the Tour.
>> Carrot juice and protein powder, perhaps? --D-y
B. Lafferty wrote:
> Liver function compromise--bilirubin buildup.
Who did this Billy Rubin guy ride for ?
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:26:42
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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Donald Munro wrote:
> dustoyevsky wrote in message
>>> An observer in the Riis years noted some riders, incl. Mr. 64(!)%,
>>> gaining weight and turning orange during the Tour.
>>> Carrot juice and protein powder, perhaps? --D-y
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> Liver function compromise--bilirubin buildup.
>
> Who did this Billy Rubin guy ride for ?
>
>
The Chicago Seven...
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 18:03:56
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
> On 27, 7:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <M...@Italia.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
>
> Looks like you slid into your old place with no change in rhythm <g>.
>
> An observer in the Riis years noted some riders, incl. Mr. 64(!)%,
> gaining weight and turning orange during the Tour.
>
> Carrot juice and protein powder, perhaps? --D-y
He's 1/16 oompah loompah.
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 19:28:56
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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In article <Zdadnc4C65--IpTbnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@comcast.com >, Fred Fredburger
<Fred.Fredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh > wrote:
> dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
>
> > On 27, 7:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <M...@Italia.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
> >
> > Looks like you slid into your old place with no change in rhythm <g>.
> >
> > An observer in the Riis years noted some riders, incl. Mr. 64(!)%,
> > gaining weight and turning orange during the Tour.
That sounds like Jan Ullrich in winter.
> > Carrot juice and protein powder, perhaps? --D-y
>
> He's 1/16 oompah loompah.
On mom's side or dad's?
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 20:12:32
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <Zdadnc4C65--IpTbnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@comcast.com>, Fred Fredburger
> <Fred.Fredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh> wrote:
>
>> dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 27, 7:12 pm, "B. Lafferty" <M...@Italia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
>>> Looks like you slid into your old place with no change in rhythm <g>.
>>>
>>> An observer in the Riis years noted some riders, incl. Mr. 64(!)%,
>>> gaining weight and turning orange during the Tour.
>
> That sounds like Jan Ullrich in winter.
>
>>> Carrot juice and protein powder, perhaps? --D-y
>> He's 1/16 oompah loompah.
>
> On mom's side or dad's?
>
I am confused. But so was Riis.
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 00:09:11
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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> http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
>
> ROTFLMO!!
A bit late to the party? Benjo brought this up a couple days ago- scroll
down for the thread "Jef D'Hont" for the complete discussion.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 05:00:31
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:HmiOh.9623$JZ3.3757@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>> http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
>>
>> ROTFLMO!!
>
> A bit late to the party? Benjo brought this up a couple days ago- scroll
> down for the thread "Jef D'Hont" for the complete discussion.
To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good results
encouraged other riders to use it". Interesting statement. Until now it was
generally believed that EPO became to be considered indispensable only in
1994 after the results of Gewiss under the inspiring leadership of dr.
Michele Ferrari, probably helped by the spoigneurs of Gewiss. And look
there, what a coincidence! One of those soigneurs was a certain Jef D'Hont!
He only went to Telekom in 1996. But of course, as he said, it wasn't D'Hont
who introduced EPO at the Telekom team, they were already converted thanks
to Ampler's impressing results. Do you want a proof? Just look at Ampler's
results. Ampler was one of the most promising amateurs. World Champion at
the road, Olympic champion on the track, winner of the Peace race, etc. In
1990 he did pretty well. In 1991 already less, and during the two years he
was at the Telekom team, he seemd to be burnt out. In two years just one
win: the GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen in 1992. In 1993: nothing. Of course,
everyone wants to win the GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen, so no wonder that the
whole team immediately started to take epo too (by the way, this is meant to
be ironic). Or had D'Hont's "revelation" perhaps something to do with the
fact that Ampler sued Telekom, because he claimed they had forced him to use
doping? Sometimes people are saying that cycling is a mafia. IMO an insult.
Mafiosi are calling themselves "the friends of the friends". The cycling
world is more like "the enemies of the enemies".
Benjo
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 17:16:04
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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benjo maso wrote:
> To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
> introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good
> results encouraged other riders to use it".
I'm waiting for riders to take more testosterone because of Landis' good
results.
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 17:18:22
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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"Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid > wrote in message
news:56vf5mF2a65nkU1@mid.individual.net...
> benjo maso wrote:
>> To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
>> introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good
>> results encouraged other riders to use it".
>
> I'm waiting for riders to take more testosterone because of Landis' good
> results.
Or Jack Daniels of course.
Benjo
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 05:48:04
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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In article <56vf9uF2b40k2U1@mid.individual.net >,
"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:56vf5mF2a65nkU1@mid.individual.net...
> > benjo maso wrote:
> >> To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
> >> introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good
> >> results encouraged other riders to use it".
> >
> > I'm waiting for riders to take more testosterone because of Landis' good
> > results.
>
>
> Or Jack Daniels of course.
Just as safe, individually.
They have an unfortunate compounding effect.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 11:31:00
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:56u42gF2almhaU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> news:HmiOh.9623$JZ3.3757@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>>> http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
>>>
>>> ROTFLMO!!
>>
>> A bit late to the party? Benjo brought this up a couple days ago- scroll
>> down for the thread "Jef D'Hont" for the complete discussion.
>
> To add something to the complete discussion. "D'Hont said that EPO was
> introduced to Telekom in the early 1990s by Uwe Ampler, whose good results
> encouraged other riders to use it". Interesting statement. Until now it
> was generally believed that EPO became to be considered indispensable only
> in 1994 after the results of Gewiss under the inspiring leadership of dr.
> Michele Ferrari, probably helped by the spoigneurs of Gewiss. And look
> there, what a coincidence! One of those soigneurs was a certain Jef
> D'Hont! He only went to Telekom in 1996. But of course, as he said, it
> wasn't D'Hont who introduced EPO at the Telekom team, they were already
> converted thanks to Ampler's impressing results. Do you want a proof? Just
> look at Ampler's results. Ampler was one of the most promising amateurs.
> World Champion at the road, Olympic champion on the track, winner of the
> Peace race, etc. In 1990 he did pretty well. In 1991 already less, and
> during the two years he was at the Telekom team, he seemd to be burnt out.
> In two years just one win: the GP Kanton Aargau Gippingen in 1992. In
> 1993: nothing. Of course, everyone wants to win the GP Kanton Aargau
> Gippingen, so no wonder that the whole team immediately started to take
> epo too (by the way, this is meant to be ironic). Or had D'Hont's
> "revelation" perhaps something to do with the fact that Ampler sued
> Telekom, because he claimed they had forced him to use doping? Sometimes
> people are saying that cycling is a mafia. IMO an insult. Mafiosi are
> calling themselves "the friends of the friends". The cycling world is more
> like "the enemies of the enemies".
>
> Benjo
Crap, Benjo. Lance says all it takes is hard work to put those 475+ watts
out on the climbs. :-)
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 00:12:44
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:HmiOh.9623$JZ3.3757@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>> http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
>>
>> ROTFLMO!!
>
> A bit late to the party? Benjo brought this up a couple days ago- scroll
> down for the thread "Jef D'Hont" for the complete discussion.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
I know. I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 14:28:16
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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"B. Lafferty" <Magni@Italia.com > wrote in message
news:0qiOh.15740$PL.1452@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> I know. I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
You're just a plain jerk?
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 09:42:21
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Mr. 64%
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B. Lafferty wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote
>>> http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=2727
>>>
>>> ROTFLMO!!
>>
>> A bit late to the party? Benjo brought this up a couple days ago-
>> scroll down for the thread "Jef D'Hont" for the complete discussion.
>
> I know. I'm no longer part of the rbr circlejerk.
Translation: "Lance retired."
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