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Date: 12 Jul 2007 00:42:00
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: My theory about Tom Boonen
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He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
winning a stage.
Hm. What's the latest in the Tour that a rider has worn green without
winning a stage?
(The answer "Credit Agricole, last stage" will be summarily rejected,
but LIVEDRUNK thanks you for your witticism.)
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 03:46:26
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: My theory about Tom Boonen
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"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-4DE20B.17420011072007@news.telus.net...
> He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
> winning a stage.
Too late. The first was Stan Ockers in 1955.
> Hm. What's the latest in the Tour that a rider has worn green without
> winning a stage?
Our friend Thor Hushovd in 2005.
Benjo
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:43:41
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: My theory about Tom Boonen
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In article <5flffhF3a1l1nU1@mid.individual.net >,
"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote:
> "Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote in message
> news:rcousine-4DE20B.17420011072007@news.telus.net...
> > He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
> > winning a stage.
>
> Too late. The first was Stan Ockers in 1955.
Huh. By the example of recent years, I would have thought it nearly
impossible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_Tour_de_France
http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/eta_tdf_1954_1963/tdf1955.php
I see that back then, they were using the "lowest points wins" format.
http://www.cvccbike.com/tour/eddy/green.htm
This would have made it far easier for Ockers to win green (consistently
high finishes would do it, but you'd still have to get near the front of
the sprints.
Ockers had an average finishing position of a bit better than 15th. So
it's fair to say the 1959-onward point classification is an entirely
different animal. Though I'm sure that the points scoring system has
varied in lesser ways from year to year in the modern era.
> > Hm. What's the latest in the Tour that a rider has worn green without
> > winning a stage?
>
> Our friend Thor Hushovd in 2005.
>
> Benjo
Every day Usenet offers me fresh new ways to proclaim my ignorance.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 18:42:03
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: My theory about Tom Boonen
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> He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
> winning a stage.
>
> Hm. What's the latest in the Tour that a rider has worn green without
> winning a stage?
Virenque won, what, 7 KOM jerseys? Did he win a stage each year? I seem to
recall at least one in which he didn't. More difficult to do now, since they
end-loaded the points system.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-4DE20B.17420011072007@news.telus.net...
> He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
> winning a stage.
>
> Hm. What's the latest in the Tour that a rider has worn green without
> winning a stage?
>
> (The answer "Credit Agricole, last stage" will be summarily rejected,
> but LIVEDRUNK thanks you for your witticism.)
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 04:04:52
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: My theory about Tom Boonen
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:MFfli.8194$bz7.4386@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>> He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
>> winning a stage.
>>
>> Hm. What's the latest in the Tour that a rider has worn green without
>> winning a stage?
>
> Virenque won, what, 7 KOM jerseys? Did he win a stage each year? I seem to
> recall at least one in which he didn't. More difficult to do now, since
> they end-loaded the points system.
It happened twice that he hadn't won a stage (1996, 1999), just like Trueba,
the first winner in 1933, and many others.
Benjo
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 18:35:47
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: My theory about Tom Boonen
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On Jul 11, 5:42 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
> winning a stage.
My theory is that he should try training. Specialized might sell more
bikes if he wasn't lame.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 21:14:07
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: My theory about Tom Boonen
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:42:00 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca >
wrote:
>He's trying to become the first person to win the Points jersey without
>winning a stage.
I'm pretty sure Sean Kelly did that and would suspect other riders
have as well, such as perhaps Zabel.
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JT
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