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Date: 07 Jan 2007 14:52:25
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: New hope for masters fatties
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Can you persuade you vet that your dog is too fat?
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=61365
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 20:12:05
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> h squared <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > ry me. Yes, we both have spouses, but that will probably be legal in
> > > Canada soon anyways.
> > >
> > > I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches,
> >
> > don't be foolish- the last person on rbr to ry me was tom kunich, and
> > look what happened to him.
> >
> > heather, (off to stick her head into the 5# bag of chocolate chips
> > waiting in the kitchen, mmm ;)
>
> I know where to get 30 kilo bags of Valrhona chocolate chips.
Well, we know what you're bringing to the next RBR cookout.
Ben
Chung, you're bringing the andouillette
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 10:37:23
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > [T]hat pre-mixed stuff was awful;
> The thing about peanut butter is a lot of the stuff is nasty and bad
> for you -- has partially hydrogenated vegeble oil mixed in. Not good.
> Not good. Butter would be better.
"A lot" are bad. I suppose I should look at the label again, but I
believe the "natural' or "organic" only have peanuts (and peanut oil),
aside from any allowed impurity (dirt, mouse turds, etc.). One has to
be willing to stir it.
I do not like "processed" peanut butter -- if that were the only type,
I would probably not eat peanut butter. For my taste, "natural" is far
superior to the "processed" brands. Personally, I like the Adam's
brand, although others are very good too.
(http://onlinestore.smucker.com/natural.cfm)
Peanut butter: fat for fatties. The new hope. Will I lose weight on a
peanut diet?
PS: Peanuts are "high" in tryptophan, or so I was told. Is tryptophan
on the banned list? Have I been cheating?
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 13:55:37
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On 10 Jan 2007 10:37:23 -0800, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com >
wrote:
>"A lot" are bad. I suppose I should look at the label again, but I
>believe the "natural' or "organic" only have peanuts (and peanut oil),
>aside from any allowed impurity (dirt, mouse turds, etc.).
Right. Ideally for me the only ingredients listed with be peanuts and
salt. Not even added peanut oil, though that is not so bad.
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 02:42:51
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <8idaq2pqtq0eccem04hbd3pr79h5bj4crs@4ax.com >,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2007 10:37:23 -0800, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"A lot" are bad. I suppose I should look at the label again, but I
> >believe the "natural' or "organic" only have peanuts (and peanut oil),
> >aside from any allowed impurity (dirt, mouse turds, etc.).
>
> Right. Ideally for me the only ingredients listed with be peanuts and
> salt. Not even added peanut oil, though that is not so bad.
There are brands that add peanut oil? Ones consisting of just ground
peanuts tend to be plenty oily, even accounting for the separation issue.
My default choice was Adams smooth (what Costco locally sold cheaply in
2 kg uberjars), but I would have bought crunchy if it was cheaply
available in Costco uberjars.
Now Costco has locally switched to some unsalted smooth organic brand
(ingredients: peanuts). I realize now that the salt wasn't an issue for
me, though I routinely eat my peanut butter on saltines, often with a
bit of my home-made crab apple jelly or honey.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 19:21:22
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2007 10:37:23 -0800, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"A lot" are bad. I suppose I should look at the label again, but I
>>believe the "natural' or "organic" only have peanuts (and peanut oil),
>>aside from any allowed impurity (dirt, mouse turds, etc.).
>
> Right. Ideally for me the only ingredients listed with be peanuts and
> salt. Not even added peanut oil, though that is not so bad.
>
>
http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007598.html
But you gotta die somehow.
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 05:27:44
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <Xns98B473ABC22CFkldeltaC@130.133.1.4 >,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
> > On 10 Jan 2007 10:37:23 -0800, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"A lot" are bad. I suppose I should look at the label again, but I
> >>believe the "natural' or "organic" only have peanuts (and peanut oil),
> >>aside from any allowed impurity (dirt, mouse turds, etc.).
> >
> > Right. Ideally for me the only ingredients listed with be peanuts and
> > salt. Not even added peanut oil, though that is not so bad.
> >
> >
>
> http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007598.html
>
> But you gotta die somehow.
Or
> Of course, put it in perspective: there are other things we do every day that
> are a lot more dangerous than eating a peanut butter sandwich. But to
> understand that, you have to get serious-minded, and start taking statistical
> analysis of risk factors seriously. Alas, most people refuse to do that sort
> of thing.
Any toxicologist will tell you that the poison is in the dose.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 18:30:33
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On 10 Jan 2007 19:21:22 GMT, William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
>> On 10 Jan 2007 10:37:23 -0800, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"A lot" are bad. I suppose I should look at the label again, but I
>>>believe the "natural' or "organic" only have peanuts (and peanut oil),
>>>aside from any allowed impurity (dirt, mouse turds, etc.).
>>
>> Right. Ideally for me the only ingredients listed with be peanuts and
>> salt. Not even added peanut oil, though that is not so bad.
>>
>>
>
>http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007598.html
>
>But you gotta die somehow.
Yeah you do.
I'd heard of that mold and started refrigerating peanut butter
afterwards. Though we go throug a jar every couple of weeks anyway so
it doesn't worry me that much. And I never buy that store ground
stuff -- the machines looks nasty with peanut dust around them and
such. I guess the machines in the factory that can the stuff probably
look pretty bad too, but I like to delude myself that they clean them
from time to time.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 14:31:00
From: h squared
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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William Asher wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
>
>>On 10 Jan 2007 10:37:23 -0800, "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"A lot" are bad. I suppose I should look at the label again, but I
>>>believe the "natural' or "organic" only have peanuts (and peanut oil),
>>>aside from any allowed impurity (dirt, mouse turds, etc.).
>>
>>Right. Ideally for me the only ingredients listed with be peanuts and
>>salt. Not even added peanut oil, though that is not so bad.
>>
>>
>
>
> http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/007598.html
>
> But you gotta die somehow.
>
this book gave me nitees for a year or so back in college (maybe
that's why i gave up the bowl of p.b. for dinner every nite??)
http://www.nytimes.com/1978/02/28/books/greene78-factor.html
hopefully almond butter is somewhat "cleaner" in that regard than peanut
butter. (because soynut butter is right out...)
hh
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 18:34:11
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:31:00 -0800, h squared
<clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>this book gave me nitees for a year or so back in college (maybe
>that's why i gave up the bowl of p.b. for dinner every nite??)
>http://www.nytimes.com/1978/02/28/books/greene78-factor.html
Whoa.
>hopefully almond butter is somewhat "cleaner" in that regard than peanut
>butter. (because soynut butter is right out...)
I should try almond butter. But its expensive. And for some reason I
always associate almonds with poison -- not from mold but from the
get-go.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 15:29:04
From: h squared
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>hopefully almond butter is somewhat "cleaner" in that regard than peanut
>>butter. (because soynut butter is right out...)
>
>
> I should try almond butter. But its expensive. And for some reason I
> always associate almonds with poison -- not from mold but from the
> get-go.
yeah, i've seen almond butter for $15.00 a jar!! wtf? but whole foods
has some of their store brand that's only about $6.00 a jar, which is a
little more reasonable.
cyanide supposedly smells like "bitter almond" whatever that means.
maybe that's why you think of poison when you think of almonds?
heather
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 18:59:05
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:29:04 -0800, h squared
<clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net > wrote:
>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
>
>>>hopefully almond butter is somewhat "cleaner" in that regard than peanut
>>>butter. (because soynut butter is right out...)
>>
>>
>> I should try almond butter. But its expensive. And for some reason I
>> always associate almonds with poison -- not from mold but from the
>> get-go.
>
>yeah, i've seen almond butter for $15.00 a jar!! wtf? but whole foods
>has some of their store brand that's only about $6.00 a jar, which is a
>little more reasonable.
>
>cyanide supposedly smells like "bitter almond" whatever that means.
>maybe that's why you think of poison when you think of almonds?
Yeah, I probably read that somewhere. Plus I heard the center of the
pits of some fruits are poisonous, and they look like almonds.
http://straightdope.com/classics/a1_212.html
Oh, I see roasting kills the poison. Cool.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 21:57:10
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <GOmdnWG9geTZmDnYnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@comcast.com>,
> h squared <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Robert Chung wrote:
> >
> > > Howard Kveck wrote:
> > >
> > >> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
> > >
> > >
> > > In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
> > > on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
> > >
> > > A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> > > butter.
> >
> > for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
> > butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
> > this now :o
> >
> >
> > h
>
> ry me. Yes, we both have spouses, but that will probably be legal in
> Canada soon anyways.
>
> I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches
dumbass,
post the recipe. or do we have to go to your friggen "blog" ?
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 02:32:46
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <1168408630.521571.100520@o58g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > In article <GOmdnWG9geTZmDnYnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > h squared <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Robert Chung wrote:
> > >
> > > > Howard Kveck wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread
> > > > --
> > > > on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
> > > >
> > > > A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> > > > butter.
> > >
> > > for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
> > > butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
> > > this now :o
> > >
> > >
> > > h
> >
> > ry me. Yes, we both have spouses, but that will probably be legal in
> > Canada soon anyways.
> >
> > I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches
>
> dumbass,
>
> post the recipe. or do we have to go to your friggen "blog" ?
Dumbass, my shitty blog can kick your shitty blog's ass! Oh wait, you
don't have one! What you have a life or something? You're posting here...
Ahem.
Ingredients:
2 slices bread, preferably nice white bread
peanut butter. Maybe 1/2 cup or so? To taste. You don't need a recipe.
My preference is for the "pure" peanut butters (ingredients: peanuts,
maybe salt). Crunchy or smooth as you prefer.
~1/4 cup of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Less is more.
Directions:
Spread peanut butter evenly over both pieces of bread. Arrange chocolate
chips evenly over the peanut-buttered surface of one slice of bread,
leaving lots of space between chips. You will need fewer than you think.
Don't overdo it! You will get choco-ooze out the sides.
Slap sandwich together. Nuke for 30 seconds. Take out of microwave, flip
sandwich over, and lift the top slice of bread off of the other, and
then put it back down. This quick lift will mush the
molten-but-still-chip-shaped chips so they mix with the peanut butter.
The flip prevents the lower slice of bread from becoming gooey with
trapped condensation.
Leave for 30 seconds or so if you can, eat while still hot, beware of
choco-pb ooze coming out the sides of the sandwich.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 20:09:55
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <rcousine-325E2E.18324610012007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> > > I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches
> Ingredients:
> 2 slices bread, preferably nice white bread
> peanut butter. Maybe 1/2 cup or so? To taste. You don't need a recipe.
> My preference is for the "pure" peanut butters (ingredients: peanuts,
> maybe salt). Crunchy or smooth as you prefer.
> ~1/4 cup of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Less is more.
>
> Directions:
> Spread peanut butter evenly over both pieces of bread. Arrange chocolate
> chips evenly over the peanut-buttered surface of one slice of bread,
> leaving lots of space between chips. You will need fewer than you think.
> Don't overdo it! You will get choco-ooze out the sides.
>
> Slap sandwich together. Nuke for 30 seconds. Take out of microwave, flip
> sandwich over, and lift the top slice of bread off of the other, and
> then put it back down. This quick lift will mush the
> molten-but-still-chip-shaped chips so they mix with the peanut butter.
> The flip prevents the lower slice of bread from becoming gooey with
> trapped condensation.
>
> Leave for 30 seconds or so if you can, eat while still hot, beware of
> choco-pb ooze coming out the sides of the sandwich.
So it's like a pb & chocolate panini. I guess you could make one in whatever you
make grilled cheese sandwiches ( most likely the smooth side of the waffle iron
inserts). Then there's Elvis' favorite:
http://www.thrillist.com/archives/2006/08/fools_gold_sandwich.html
Molten chocolate can be pretty tasty. Toss a few M&Ms in a burrito sometime. The
shell stays whole but the heat will melt the chocolate so when you bite into it, you
get the taste surprise...
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 14:53:35
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <YOURhoward-BF978C.20095510012007@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <rcousine-325E2E.18324610012007@news.telus.net>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches
>
> > Ingredients:
> > 2 slices bread, preferably nice white bread
> > peanut butter. Maybe 1/2 cup or so? To taste. You don't need a recipe.
> > My preference is for the "pure" peanut butters (ingredients: peanuts,
> > maybe salt). Crunchy or smooth as you prefer.
> > ~1/4 cup of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Less is more.
> >
> > Directions:
> > Spread peanut butter evenly over both pieces of bread. Arrange chocolate
> > chips evenly over the peanut-buttered surface of one slice of bread,
> > leaving lots of space between chips. You will need fewer than you think.
> > Don't overdo it! You will get choco-ooze out the sides.
> >
> > Slap sandwich together. Nuke for 30 seconds. Take out of microwave, flip
> > sandwich over, and lift the top slice of bread off of the other, and
> > then put it back down. This quick lift will mush the
> > molten-but-still-chip-shaped chips so they mix with the peanut butter.
> > The flip prevents the lower slice of bread from becoming gooey with
> > trapped condensation.
> >
> > Leave for 30 seconds or so if you can, eat while still hot, beware of
> > choco-pb ooze coming out the sides of the sandwich.
>
> So it's like a pb & chocolate panini. I guess you could make one in
> whatever you
> make grilled cheese sandwiches ( most likely the smooth side of the waffle
> iron
> inserts).
The problem is that I'm pretty sure you couldn't use panini-grade
pressure, as the molten goo would just squeeze out the sides. Note that
this sandwich gets very little pressing. The chocolate chips get mushed
as much by the lift as by putting the bread back down.
Making a grilled PBC might be verry interesting, though.
> Then there's Elvis' favorite:
>
> http://www.thrillist.com/archives/2006/08/fools_gold_sandwich.html
>
> Molten chocolate can be pretty tasty. Toss a few M&Ms in a burrito
> sometime. The
> shell stays whole but the heat will melt the chocolate so when you bite into
> it, you
> get the taste surprise...
This idea I like. A lot. Must try it...
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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 21:52:08
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 02:32:46 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca >
wrote:
>
>Ingredients:
>2 slices bread, preferably nice white bread
>peanut butter. Maybe 1/2 cup or so? To taste. You don't need a recipe.
>My preference is for the "pure" peanut butters (ingredients: peanuts,
>maybe salt). Crunchy or smooth as you prefer.
>~1/4 cup of semi-sweet chocolate chips. Less is more.
>
>Directions:
>Spread peanut butter evenly over both pieces of bread. Arrange chocolate
>chips evenly over the peanut-buttered surface of one slice of bread,
>leaving lots of space between chips. You will need fewer than you think.
>Don't overdo it! You will get choco-ooze out the sides.
>
>Slap sandwich together. Nuke for 30 seconds. Take out of microwave, flip
>sandwich over, and lift the top slice of bread off of the other, and
>then put it back down. This quick lift will mush the
>molten-but-still-chip-shaped chips so they mix with the peanut butter.
>The flip prevents the lower slice of bread from becoming gooey with
>trapped condensation.
>
>Leave for 30 seconds or so if you can, eat while still hot, beware of
>choco-pb ooze coming out the sides of the sandwich.
I salute you!
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 21:54:00
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Robert Chung wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>
> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
> on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
>
> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> butter.
dumbass,
my father and brother often insist that mayonnaise is made of cheese.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 07:31:33
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On 9 Jan 2007 21:54:00 -0800, "amit.ghosh@gmail.com"
<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>Robert Chung wrote:
>> Howard Kveck wrote:
>> > (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>>
>> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
>> on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
>>
>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
>> butter.
>
>dumbass,
>
>my father and brother often insist that mayonnaise is made of cheese.
My father-in-law thinks mild cheeses are made of eggs.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 08:14:12
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2007 21:54:00 -0800, "amit.ghosh@gmail.com"
> <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Robert Chung wrote:
>>> Howard Kveck wrote:
>>>> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>>> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
>>> on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
>>>
>>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
>>> butter.
>> dumbass,
>>
>> my father and brother often insist that mayonnaise is made of cheese.
>
> My father-in-law thinks mild cheeses are made of eggs.
>
I'm pretty sure eggs are made of mayonnaise...
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 21:51:28
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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William Asher wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>
> > William Asher wrote:
> >> Robert Chung wrote:
> >>
> >>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> >>> butter.
> >>
> >> I saw a Mr. Rogers episode where Fred made peanut butter by crushing
> >> peanuts with a wooden spoon and mixing the pieces with butter. Maybe
> >> that is where the French got the idea.
> >
> > Now that's just sick. Everyone knows that were it properly named, it
> > wouldn't be "peanut butter," it would be "peanut lard."
>
> As a gesture of reconcilliation and international goodwill, I propose we
> name it "French peanuts." At which point, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh
> will want to rename it "Freedom peanuts," which would be pretty goddamned
> funny.
>
> Or is "French peanuts" already taken to describe the effect of heavy
> anabolic steroid use on someone's testicles?
those are dutch raisins.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 21:40:37
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <jeZoh.31067$hI.1992@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > > "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote in message
> > > news:45A444C5.2080601@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m...
> > >> For general use of language, though, this one still wins:
> > >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/d707bde25d7c9cfa
> > >>
> > >> Dan
> > >
> > > I give up. Was the author dupedcyclist, Magilla, CritPro?
> >
> > Racers that can actually string together complete sentences are
> > rare enough that I remember Derek Bouchard-Hall.
>
> That was rather eloquent, wasn't it? On another note, the '01 Mercury / Viatel
> team had some pretty good people (go here and scroll down:
>
> http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/archive-2001tt1.htm )
dumbass,
they had a rider named laurent chotard. that sounds like a portemanteau
of chode and retard.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 21:37:08
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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William Asher wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:12:35 -0800, h squared
> > <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
> >>butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
> >>this now :o
> >
> > Were you trying to gain weight? Or save money on food?
> >
> > I have a PB&J for breakfast a couple times a week currently. Or
> > really PB and fruit preserves or fruit butter (apple butter, prune
> > butter).
>
> Everyone knows that a mixture of butter, peanut butter, and honey is the
> only thing that will cut through the film on your teeth and tongue the
> morning after doing shooters of cheap tequila the night before.
I thought it was the other way around: after eating a mixture
of butter, peanut butter and honey for dinner, an evening
of cheap shooters of tequila is the only thing that will
clean the film off your teeth.
Also, if you can keep the peanut-butter breath going all
evening, it deters annoying people from hitting on you
even though you're totally blitzed on cheap tequila.
This has been a public service announcement,
Ben
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 09:50:20
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Also, if you can keep the peanut-butter breath going all
> evening, it deters annoying people from hitting on you
> even though you're totally blitzed on cheap tequila.
Anyone for peanut butter with lots of garlic.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 23:36:09
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> William Asher wrote:
>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:12:35 -0800, h squared
>>> <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
>>>> butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
>>>> this now :o
>>> Were you trying to gain weight? Or save money on food?
>>>
>>> I have a PB&J for breakfast a couple times a week currently. Or
>>> really PB and fruit preserves or fruit butter (apple butter, prune
>>> butter).
>> Everyone knows that a mixture of butter, peanut butter, and honey is the
>> only thing that will cut through the film on your teeth and tongue the
>> morning after doing shooters of cheap tequila the night before.
>
> I thought it was the other way around: after eating a mixture
> of butter, peanut butter and honey for dinner, an evening
> of cheap shooters of tequila is the only thing that will
> clean the film off your teeth.
>
> Also, if you can keep the peanut-butter breath going all
> evening, it deters annoying people from hitting on you
> even though you're totally blitzed on cheap tequila.
Oh. So that's been my problem. It's my peanut butter breath. Apparently
works on not-so-annoying people too.
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 06:52:09
From: Matt C
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Sounds too much like a Seinfeld episode.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:D4doh.5427$QJ6.2480@newsfe15.lga...
> Can you persuade you vet that your dog is too fat?
>
> http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=61365
>
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 22:52:17
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
In article <D4doh.5427$QJ6.2480@newsfe15.lga >,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote:
> Can you persuade you vet that your dog is too fat?
>
> http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=61365
Hm. Are there a lot of dogs for whom the "feed them less" method doesn't
work?
I say this as the owner of a slightly pudgy dog, but here's my technique
for solving the problem:
old feeding method: fill scoop to "75" line at each feeding, dump in
bowl.
new feeding method: fill scoop to "50" line at each feeding, dump in
bowl.
Come to think of it, I think if I could adapt my dog's dieting method
for masters fatties, I really might be onto something.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 01:30:36
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
Donald Munro wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> Just to change the subject, DBH said something to me once that really
> >> made me think. I'd said I hadn't crashed in several years and race a
> >> reasonable amount (40-50 races a year) and he said, basically, I
> >> wasn't crashing enough. That if I was racing right I should be
> >> crashing once or twice a year on average.
>
> amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> > armstrong only crashed once in seven tours de france. do you think he
> > was wasn't racing right ?
>
> Perhaps HE wasn't racing as much as JFT.
Armstrong had a whole team of guys to do his crashing for him,
plus keep him out of trouble and bring him peanut butter
sandwiches.
Anyway, on the RBR adrenaline theory, if LANCE had crashed
more, he could have won eight.
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 13:07:07
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Armstrong had a whole team of guys to do his crashing for him,
> plus keep him out of trouble and bring him peanut butter
> sandwiches.
Yes, but the real question is did he countersteer (the hincapie variation
on freeform countersteering in Paris-Roubaix was quite informative).
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 15:25:10
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:39:59 GMT, Bob Schwartz
> <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >Racers that can actually string together complete sentences are
> >rare enough that I remember Derek Bouchard-Hall.
>
> Just to change the subject, DBH said something to me once that really
> made me think. I'd said I hadn't crashed in several years and race a
> reasonable amount (40-50 races a year) and he said, basically, I
> wasn't crashing enough. That if I was racing right I should be
> crashing once or twice a year on average.
>
> And he was probably right -- I was wussing out a little too often in
> the finale of races to play it super-safe.
dumbass,
armstrong only crashed once in seven tours de france. do you think he
was wasn't racing right ?
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 05:54:05
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
In article
<1168471510.790826.74650@p59g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:39:59 GMT, Bob Schwartz
> > <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Racers that can actually string together complete sentences are
> > >rare enough that I remember Derek Bouchard-Hall.
> >
> > Just to change the subject, DBH said something to me once that really
> > made me think. I'd said I hadn't crashed in several years and race a
> > reasonable amount (40-50 races a year) and he said, basically, I
> > wasn't crashing enough. That if I was racing right I should be
> > crashing once or twice a year on average.
> >
> > And he was probably right -- I was wussing out a little too often in
> > the finale of races to play it super-safe.
>
> dumbass,
>
> armstrong only crashed once in seven tours de france. do you think he
> was wasn't racing right ?
Speaking of LANCE, I was watching Dodgeball: A True
Underdog Story (2004), OK, OK, I have no life, when
Armstrong happens to run into the Protagonist who has
decided to cave in and abandon the tournament:
Lance Armstrong: Hey, aren't you Peter La Fleur?
Peter La Fleur: Lance Armstrong!
Lance Armstrong: Ya, that's me. But I'm a big fan of yours.
Peter La Fleur: Really?
Lance Armstrong: Ya, I've been watching the dodgeball
tournament on the Ocho. ESPN 8. I just can't get
enough of it. Good luck in the tournament. I'm really
pulling for you against those jerks from Globo Gym. I
think you better hurry up or you're gonna be late.
Peter La Fleur: Uh, actually I decided to quit... Lance.
Lance Armstrong: Quit? You know, once I was thinking of
quitting when I was diagnosed with brain, lung and
testicular cancer all at the same time. But with the
love and support of my friends and family, I got back
on the bike and won the Tour de France five times in a
row. But I'm sure you have a good reason to quit. So
what are you dying of that's keeping you from the
finals?
Peter La Fleur: Right now it feels a little bit like... shame.
Lance Armstrong: I guess if a person never quit
when the going got tough, they wouldn't anything to
regret for the rest of their life. Well, good luck to
you Peter. I'm sure this decision won't haunt you
forever.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 10:31:31
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> Just to change the subject, DBH said something to me once that really
>> made me think. I'd said I hadn't crashed in several years and race a
>> reasonable amount (40-50 races a year) and he said, basically, I
>> wasn't crashing enough. That if I was racing right I should be
>> crashing once or twice a year on average.
amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> armstrong only crashed once in seven tours de france. do you think he
> was wasn't racing right ?
Perhaps HE wasn't racing as much as JFT.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 15:55:16
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> dumbass,
>
> armstrong only crashed once in seven tours de france. do you think he
> was wasn't racing right ?
Yes.
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 18:38:39
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <D4doh.5427$QJ6.2480@newsfe15.lga>,
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Can you persuade you vet that your dog is too fat?
>>
>> http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=61365
>
> Hm. Are there a lot of dogs for whom the "feed them less" method doesn't
> work?
>
> I say this as the owner of a slightly pudgy dog, but here's my technique
> for solving the problem:
>
> old feeding method: fill scoop to "75" line at each feeding, dump in
> bowl.
>
> new feeding method: fill scoop to "50" line at each feeding, dump in
> bowl.
>
> Come to think of it, I think if I could adapt my dog's dieting method
> for masters fatties, I really might be onto something.
>
Assuming three servings per day on the old regime, your average masters
fattie is going to assume that since they are getting 1/3 less per serving
they can get 2 extra servings per day and still lose weight since they are
still down by 1/3.
Nobody ever said masters fatties were good with arithmetic.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 04:23:05
From: Sticky Wicket
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
On 7/1/07 3:52 PM, in article rcousine-EFF4DC.14521707012007@news.telus.net,
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> Hm. Are there a lot of dogs for whom the "feed them less" method doesn't
> work?
>
> I say this as the owner of a slightly pudgy dog, but here's my technique
> for solving the problem:
>
> old feeding method: fill scoop to "75" line at each feeding, dump in
> bowl.
>
> new feeding method: fill scoop to "50" line at each feeding, dump in
> bowl.
>
> Come to think of it, I think if I could adapt my dog's dieting method
> for masters fatties, I really might be onto something.
Are you suggesting that people can lose weight by just eating less or
exercising more? Without consulting physicians, reading diet books published
by Rodale, taking drugs?
You are one sick puppy.
--
Sticky
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 16:53:02
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
In article <rcousine-EFF4DC.14521707012007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <D4doh.5427$QJ6.2480@newsfe15.lga>,
> "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Can you persuade you vet that your dog is too fat?
> >
> > http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=61365
>
> Hm. Are there a lot of dogs for whom the "feed them less" method doesn't
> work?
>
> I say this as the owner of a slightly pudgy dog, but here's my technique
> for solving the problem:
>
> old feeding method: fill scoop to "75" line at each feeding, dump in
> bowl.
>
> new feeding method: fill scoop to "50" line at each feeding, dump in
> bowl.
>
> Come to think of it, I think if I could adapt my dog's dieting method
> for masters fatties, I really might be onto something.
Are you sure your dog dieting technique doesn't also include putting a peanut
butter jar on her head?
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 05:36:58
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
In article <YOURhoward-964AC1.16530207012007@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <rcousine-EFF4DC.14521707012007@news.telus.net>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > In article <D4doh.5427$QJ6.2480@newsfe15.lga>,
> > "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Can you persuade you vet that your dog is too fat?
> > >
> > > http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=61365
> >
> > Hm. Are there a lot of dogs for whom the "feed them less" method doesn't
> > work?
> >
> > I say this as the owner of a slightly pudgy dog, but here's my technique
> > for solving the problem:
> >
> > old feeding method: fill scoop to "75" line at each feeding, dump in
> > bowl.
> >
> > new feeding method: fill scoop to "50" line at each feeding, dump in
> > bowl.
> >
> > Come to think of it, I think if I could adapt my dog's dieting method
> > for masters fatties, I really might be onto something.
>
> Are you sure your dog dieting technique doesn't also include putting a
> peanut
> butter jar on her head?
Oh right, I mentioned that, didn't I? Well, that was part of the old
technique. And last time I emptied one of those peanut butter jars, the
missus forbade me from repeating the trick.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcousine/111955353/
Do you think the fact that I routinely go through 2kg jars of peanut
butter might be part of my diet problem?
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 22:56:49
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
William Asher wrote:
> Dean Esmay just happened to be the first link that popped up on Google. I
> didn't read it closely. I apologize if he put you off. Aflatoxin in
> peanut butter is a significant health risk, regardless of whether Ismay is
> a dishonest nutbar or not. Here's a more recent study done in the Sudan:
>
> Aflatoxin and liver cancer in Sudan. Omer R E; Bakker M I; van't Veer
> P; Hoogenboom R L; Polman T H; Alink G M; Idris M O; Kadaru A M; Kok F J
> Department of Crop Protection, Faculty of Agriculture, University of
> Khartoum, Sudan Nutrition and cancer (1998), 32(3), 174-80.
> Journal code: 7905040. ISSN:0163-5581. United States. Journal; Article;
> (JOURNAL ARTICLE) written in English. PubMed ID 10050268 AN 1999159175
> MEDLINE
>
> Abstract
>
> This study investigated whether aflatoxin contamination of peanut products
> may contribute to the incidence of hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in Sudan.
> Thirty-seven peanut butter and peanut samples were collected from local
> kets. Aflatoxin concentrations were significantly higher in West Sudan
> [87.4 +/- 197.3 (SD) micrograms/kg], a high-risk area, than in Central
> Sudan (8.5 +/- 6.8 micrograms/kg), a low-risk area. In West Sudan, humid
> local storage conditions of peanut products were related to high aflatoxin
> concentrations. In a small case-control study of HCC patients (n = 24) and
> controls (n = 34), an odds ratio of 7.5 (95% confidence interval = 1.4-
> 40.2) was observed for humid vs. dry local storage conditions. Development
> of an index of individual HCC exposure was less successful, probably
> because of year-to-year variability in aflatoxins in food. These
> preliminary findings justify further research into the role of aflatoxins
> and hepatitis in HCC incidence in Sudan.
>
>
> The interesting thing is that peanut butter in the Sudan is probably more
> like "natural" peanut butter here so this study has particular relevance.
> Especially when you consider this:
>
> A survey of aflatoxins in peanut butters, nuts and nut confectionery
> products by HPLC with fluorescence detection. Gilbert, John; Shepherd,
> tin J. Food Sci. Lab., Minist. Agric., Fish. Food, Norwich, UK.
> Food Additives & Contaminants (1985), 2(3), 171-83. CODEN: FACOEB
> ISSN: 0265-203X. Journal written in English. CAN 103:140485 AN
> 1985:540485 CAPLUS
>
> Abstract (wea note: This didn't copy correct, replace mg with microgram
> throughout)
>
> A preliminary survey in 1982 of aflatoxin levels in peanut butters
> indicated that 31 of 32 samples of major national brand-named products
> examd. contained <10 mg/kg aflatoxin B1 [1162-65-8] and that 59% of these
> were below the limit of detection (2 mg/kg). In contrast, of 25 peanut
> butters from specialist Health Food outlets, 64% contained <10 mg/kg
> aflatoxin B1, the remainder ranging from 16 to 318 mg/kg, with 1 sample
> having a total aflatoxin concn. of 345 mg/kg. Subsequent surveys in 1983
> and 1984 of Health Food products confirmed that these manufacturers were
> still experiencing some difficulty in complying with the 30 mg/kg total
> aflatoxin voluntary guideline limit. A further survey in 1984 was carried
> out of 228 retail samples of nuts and nut confectionery products comprising
> peanuts (shelled, unshelled, roasted and salted), mixed nuts, almonds (both
> unblanched and ground), brazils (in shell), hazelnuts (in shell),
> chocolate-coated peanuts, peanut brittle and coconut ice. The results
> showed that 74% of the samples contained <0.5 mg/kg of aflatoxin B1 with
> 3.1% exceeding the guideline tolerance of 30 mg/kg total aflatoxins, these
> being predominantly peanuts and brazils. The highest total levels of
> aflatoxins obsd. were in unshelled peanuts contg. 4920 mg/kg and in a
> composite sample of visibly molded brazils contg. 17,926 mg/kg.
>
>
> The point being that "natural" peanut butters in the UK, a reasonably
> modern country, even by European standards, contained extremely high levels
> of aflatoxin, even higher than the levels in the Sudan that were linked to
> high liver cancer rates. What probably saves most Americans is that most
> of our choosy mothers choose Jif or Skippy rather than Adam's Old Fashioned
> or the grind-your-own variety down at the co-op ket where the women all
> wear those cotton tank-top shirts so you can see their bushy armpits. This
> preference is especially true if the application of peanut butter is as a
> lube for anal sex. But I digress.
Very interesting. Thanks for finding the numbers. The current FDA
limit you posted earlier is 20 ppb, even lower than the 30 ppb that
was voluntary in the UK at the time of the study. Of course, how
effective is FDA testing? Also this doesn't address how much the
aflatoxin might increase from shipping to consuming, especially
if you leave it out at room temperature. More from PubMed:
http://tinyurl.com/yeor8a
http://tinyurl.com/yflx4b
http://tinyurl.com/w96s9
Seems like you definitely want to keep it in the fridge.
BTW, judging from the link Greg White posted, Adams' peanut butter
is actually a down-homey natural product of that backyard enterprise,
the Smuckers Corporation. I suspect this places it closer to the
factory foods than the grind-your-own (but, factory foods have
their own disadvantages).
Although I have been known to go to crunchy food stores, until this
thread I didn't actually know there was such a thing as grind your own
peanut butter, to be honest. Some things are better produced in
sanitized environments. Especially if they're getting anywhere
near your sphincter. But I digress.
> The article you cited for the cancer risk in the US looks interesting, but
> it's not available online so you don't know what baseline exposure they
> consider to be typical in assessing that risk. If it's exposure based on
> consuming Jif or Skippy at a rate of maybe a 16-oz jar a month the risk
> would be minimal since there isn't much alfatoxin in Jif or Skippy to begin
> with. If you're chowing down a 2-lb jar a week of the bushy-armpit version
> your risk might be significantly higher than that 12984 study calculates.
>
> The interesting thing about the second article is that if the cancer risk
> between alar and aflatoxin is really 1:1, that suggests there was no "alar
> scare" and that the risk from alar was possibly very real.
Possibly, and I wondered about that, although part of the issue with
aflatoxin is that it can get worse in storage after processing, while
Alar is pretty limited - once the Alar's on the apple, it doesn't grow
more Alar. A quick google reveals that there are some people who
do think the "alar scare" narrative is part clever PR campaign by
the food industry. I don't know enough to evaluate these claims.
Ben
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Date: 12 Jan 2007 10:02:23
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Although I have been known to go to crunchy food stores,
Have you tried peanut-flavored Pocky?
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 02:02:29
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
|
William Asher wrote:
> "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in
> >
> > Trader Joe's almond butter is fairly inexpensive. It's not bad.
> > I never finished the jar though. I more or less tolerate almond
> > butter, and I just don't like peanut butter, which is pretty much
> > equivalent to hating freedom.
> >
> > I wouldn't stop eating organic or natural peanut butter on the basis
> > of that Dean Esmay article. It talks some shite about risk analysis,
> > but it never gives any numbers. Other than "2 tbsp/day are higher
> > risk than living next to a nuclear power plant," but the statistical
> > risk from living next to a (Western, not Chernobyl) nuclear power
> > plant is actually quite small; you might be worse off living next
> > to a dry cleaner or a guy with a diesel generator.
> >
> > Ben
> > On the other hand, talk to a CDC doctor and you may
> > never eat from a restaurant salad bar again.
>
> You may be hell on wheels in physics, but toxicology isn't your strong
> suit. Alfatoxins are incredibly carcinogenic and they are likely a
> significant health risk in peanut butter, especially if you buy organic
> peanut butter and don't refrigerate it. For example, go here:
>
> http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/fdaact.html
>
> Compare the permissible levels of aflatoxins to something that is so hot
> in a carcinogenic sense you don't want to be in the same time zone with
> it, like the nitrosamines. Aflatoxin is only a factor of two higher than
> n-methylnitrosamine and that range also includes such lovely beasts as
> heptachlor and EDB. Compare aflatoxin to methylmercury, which at 1 ppm
> is a factor of 50 higher.
>
> Eating peanut butter is probably better than living next to a diesel
> generator, but only because the diesel produces respirable soot particles
> containing things like benzo[a]pyrene. It's much easier to get stuff in
> if the particles are respirable. Now if your neighbor was using a
> biodiesel generator running on contaminated peanut oil, that might be
> even better.
>
> Dry cleaning solvents, mainly PCE, are not in the same ballpark with
> aflatoxin in terms of carcinogenicity. TCE and PCE are listed as
> suspected carcinogens, or at least they were the last time I checked.
> That's not to say they are harmless, but compared to aflatoxin they're
> pretty benign.
>
> Now, to put the final nail in the coffin even though nobody has read
> this, go here:
>
> http://potency.berkeley.edu/pdfs/ChemicalTable.pdf
>
> find the TD50, the cancer potency of approximately 1485 chemicals based
> on tests done with animals, and compare aflatoxins to other things in
> Table A where there is the most data (nobody likes rats, apparently).
> The only thing I saw with a lower TD50 was a TCDD and they seriously rock
> (although I didn't do a comprehensive search). If you are ADD, go to
> Table C for monkeys, there are fewer chemicals and the comparison is
> easier since conveniently they list some nitrosamines (conveniently
> renamed to nitroso-whatever-amine) and aflatoxin. Diethylnitrosamine
> comes close to aflatoxin, but it's still nearly an order of magnitude
> larger.
Nobody should take health advice from me; but these are
toxicological answers to an epidemiological question.
(Not infectious diseases but whatever food safety falls under.)
I accept that aflatoxin is a nasty hot carcinogen, but
the next question is how many ppb you can reasonably expect
from leaving a jar of peanut butter out on the counter for a
few days. Maybe it's a lot. But none of these sites, nor Dean
Esmay, nor anything I tried to look up really gave an idea.
"More than a nuclear power plant" is not very restrictive.
I did try googling before, and have now found this on PubMed
http://tinyurl.com/y5b2an
of order 100 excess liver cancers in the US (in 1984). That's
relatively a lot, though it still doesn't tell me how much is due
to stale PB&J. Also this
http://tinyurl.com/y5enmj
So I wouldn't stop eating peanut butter, but I wouldn't leave
it on the counter either. Of course, I also don't leave fish on
the counter for several days, but people don't talk about
fishotoxins the same way. (Okay, it's a lame analogy
because you can smell bad fish but not mold on peanuts;
still just use the damn refrigerator.)
By the way, if you wonder why I might think Dean Esmay
is an impeachable witness,
http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1168474437.shtml
was on the homepage when I looked.
> Peanut butter can be some nasty shit but sure tastes good on celery.
I don't like peanut butter, nor raw celery, so if only
I didn't have a weakness for peanuts, my liver would
live forever!
Oh yeah, and the drinking. I forgot about the drinking.
Must have blacked out for a second there.
Ben
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 23:00:09
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <1168509749.558677.27130@p59g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> By the way, if you wonder why I might think Dean Esmay
> is an impeachable witness,
> http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1168474437.shtml
> was on the homepage when I looked.
Esmay is truly the chickenhawk's chickenhawk. A whole lot of eliminationist
rhetoric and questioning other people's patriotism (among other things) out of him.
--
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Howard
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 19:31:06
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> William Asher wrote:
>> "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in
>> >
>> > Trader Joe's almond butter is fairly inexpensive. It's not bad.
>> > I never finished the jar though. I more or less tolerate almond
>> > butter, and I just don't like peanut butter, which is pretty much
>> > equivalent to hating freedom.
>> >
>> > I wouldn't stop eating organic or natural peanut butter on the
>> > basis of that Dean Esmay article. It talks some shite about risk
>> > analysis, but it never gives any numbers. Other than "2 tbsp/day
>> > are higher risk than living next to a nuclear power plant," but the
>> > statistical risk from living next to a (Western, not Chernobyl)
>> > nuclear power plant is actually quite small; you might be worse off
>> > living next to a dry cleaner or a guy with a diesel generator.
>> >
>> > Ben
>> > On the other hand, talk to a CDC doctor and you may
>> > never eat from a restaurant salad bar again.
>>
>> You may be hell on wheels in physics, but toxicology isn't your
>> strong suit. Alfatoxins are incredibly carcinogenic and they are
>> likely a significant health risk in peanut butter, especially if you
>> buy organic peanut butter and don't refrigerate it. For example, go
>> here:
>>
>> http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/fdaact.html
>>
>> Compare the permissible levels of aflatoxins to something that is so
>> hot in a carcinogenic sense you don't want to be in the same time
>> zone with it, like the nitrosamines. Aflatoxin is only a factor of
>> two higher than n-methylnitrosamine and that range also includes such
>> lovely beasts as heptachlor and EDB. Compare aflatoxin to
>> methylmercury, which at 1 ppm is a factor of 50 higher.
>>
>> Eating peanut butter is probably better than living next to a diesel
>> generator, but only because the diesel produces respirable soot
>> particles containing things like benzo[a]pyrene. It's much easier to
>> get stuff in if the particles are respirable. Now if your neighbor
>> was using a biodiesel generator running on contaminated peanut oil,
>> that might be even better.
>>
>> Dry cleaning solvents, mainly PCE, are not in the same ballpark with
>> aflatoxin in terms of carcinogenicity. TCE and PCE are listed as
>> suspected carcinogens, or at least they were the last time I checked.
>> That's not to say they are harmless, but compared to aflatoxin
>> they're pretty benign.
>>
>> Now, to put the final nail in the coffin even though nobody has read
>> this, go here:
>>
>> http://potency.berkeley.edu/pdfs/ChemicalTable.pdf
>>
>> find the TD50, the cancer potency of approximately 1485 chemicals
>> based on tests done with animals, and compare aflatoxins to other
>> things in Table A where there is the most data (nobody likes rats,
>> apparently). The only thing I saw with a lower TD50 was a TCDD and
>> they seriously rock (although I didn't do a comprehensive search).
>> If you are ADD, go to Table C for monkeys, there are fewer chemicals
>> and the comparison is easier since conveniently they list some
>> nitrosamines (conveniently renamed to nitroso-whatever-amine) and
>> aflatoxin. Diethylnitrosamine comes close to aflatoxin, but it's
>> still nearly an order of magnitude larger.
>
> Nobody should take health advice from me; but these are
> toxicological answers to an epidemiological question.
> (Not infectious diseases but whatever food safety falls under.)
> I accept that aflatoxin is a nasty hot carcinogen, but
> the next question is how many ppb you can reasonably expect
> from leaving a jar of peanut butter out on the counter for a
> few days. Maybe it's a lot. But none of these sites, nor Dean
> Esmay, nor anything I tried to look up really gave an idea.
> "More than a nuclear power plant" is not very restrictive.
>
> I did try googling before, and have now found this on PubMed
> http://tinyurl.com/y5b2an
> of order 100 excess liver cancers in the US (in 1984). That's
> relatively a lot, though it still doesn't tell me how much is due
> to stale PB&J. Also this
> http://tinyurl.com/y5enmj
> So I wouldn't stop eating peanut butter, but I wouldn't leave
> it on the counter either. Of course, I also don't leave fish on
> the counter for several days, but people don't talk about
> fishotoxins the same way. (Okay, it's a lame analogy
> because you can smell bad fish but not mold on peanuts;
> still just use the damn refrigerator.)
>
> By the way, if you wonder why I might think Dean Esmay
> is an impeachable witness,
> http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1168474437.shtml
> was on the homepage when I looked.
>
>> Peanut butter can be some nasty shit but sure tastes good on celery.
>
> I don't like peanut butter, nor raw celery, so if only
> I didn't have a weakness for peanuts, my liver would
> live forever!
> Oh yeah, and the drinking. I forgot about the drinking.
> Must have blacked out for a second there.
Dean Esmay just happened to be the first link that popped up on Google. I
didn't read it closely. I apologize if he put you off. Aflatoxin in
peanut butter is a significant health risk, regardless of whether Ismay is
a dishonest nutbar or not. Here's a more recent study done in the Sudan:
Aflatoxin and liver cancer in Sudan. Omer R E; Bakker M I; van't Veer
P; Hoogenboom R L; Polman T H; Alink G M; Idris M O; Kadaru A M; Kok F J
Department of Crop Protection, Faculty of Agriculture, University of
Khartoum, Sudan Nutrition and cancer (1998), 32(3), 174-80.
Journal code: 7905040. ISSN:0163-5581. United States. Journal; Article;
(JOURNAL ARTICLE) written in English. PubMed ID 10050268 AN 1999159175
MEDLINE
Abstract
This study investigated whether aflatoxin contamination of peanut products
may contribute to the incidence of hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) in Sudan.
Thirty-seven peanut butter and peanut samples were collected from local
kets. Aflatoxin concentrations were significantly higher in West Sudan
[87.4 +/- 197.3 (SD) micrograms/kg], a high-risk area, than in Central
Sudan (8.5 +/- 6.8 micrograms/kg), a low-risk area. In West Sudan, humid
local storage conditions of peanut products were related to high aflatoxin
concentrations. In a small case-control study of HCC patients (n = 24) and
controls (n = 34), an odds ratio of 7.5 (95% confidence interval = 1.4-
40.2) was observed for humid vs. dry local storage conditions. Development
of an index of individual HCC exposure was less successful, probably
because of year-to-year variability in aflatoxins in food. These
preliminary findings justify further research into the role of aflatoxins
and hepatitis in HCC incidence in Sudan.
The interesting thing is that peanut butter in the Sudan is probably more
like "natural" peanut butter here so this study has particular relevance.
Especially when you consider this:
A survey of aflatoxins in peanut butters, nuts and nut confectionery
products by HPLC with fluorescence detection. Gilbert, John; Shepherd,
tin J. Food Sci. Lab., Minist. Agric., Fish. Food, Norwich, UK.
Food Additives & Contaminants (1985), 2(3), 171-83. CODEN: FACOEB
ISSN: 0265-203X. Journal written in English. CAN 103:140485 AN
1985:540485 CAPLUS
Abstract (wea note: This didn't copy correct, replace mg with microgram
throughout)
A preliminary survey in 1982 of aflatoxin levels in peanut butters
indicated that 31 of 32 samples of major national brand-named products
examd. contained <10 mg/kg aflatoxin B1 [1162-65-8] and that 59% of these
were below the limit of detection (2 mg/kg). In contrast, of 25 peanut
butters from specialist Health Food outlets, 64% contained <10 mg/kg
aflatoxin B1, the remainder ranging from 16 to 318 mg/kg, with 1 sample
having a total aflatoxin concn. of 345 mg/kg. Subsequent surveys in 1983
and 1984 of Health Food products confirmed that these manufacturers were
still experiencing some difficulty in complying with the 30 mg/kg total
aflatoxin voluntary guideline limit. A further survey in 1984 was carried
out of 228 retail samples of nuts and nut confectionery products comprising
peanuts (shelled, unshelled, roasted and salted), mixed nuts, almonds (both
unblanched and ground), brazils (in shell), hazelnuts (in shell),
chocolate-coated peanuts, peanut brittle and coconut ice. The results
showed that 74% of the samples contained <0.5 mg/kg of aflatoxin B1 with
3.1% exceeding the guideline tolerance of 30 mg/kg total aflatoxins, these
being predominantly peanuts and brazils. The highest total levels of
aflatoxins obsd. were in unshelled peanuts contg. 4920 mg/kg and in a
composite sample of visibly molded brazils contg. 17,926 mg/kg.
The point being that "natural" peanut butters in the UK, a reasonably
modern country, even by European standards, contained extremely high levels
of aflatoxin, even higher than the levels in the Sudan that were linked to
high liver cancer rates. What probably saves most Americans is that most
of our choosy mothers choose Jif or Skippy rather than Adam's Old Fashioned
or the grind-your-own variety down at the co-op ket where the women all
wear those cotton tank-top shirts so you can see their bushy armpits. This
preference is especially true if the application of peanut butter is as a
lube for anal sex. But I digress.
The article you cited for the cancer risk in the US looks interesting, but
it's not available online so you don't know what baseline exposure they
consider to be typical in assessing that risk. If it's exposure based on
consuming Jif or Skippy at a rate of maybe a 16-oz jar a month the risk
would be minimal since there isn't much alfatoxin in Jif or Skippy to begin
with. If you're chowing down a 2-lb jar a week of the bushy-armpit version
your risk might be significantly higher than that 12984 study calculates.
The interesting thing about the second article is that if the cancer risk
between alar and aflatoxin is really 1:1, that suggests there was no "alar
scare" and that the risk from alar was possibly very real.
All is not lost however, what we need to do is start importing all of our
peanut butter from Japan:
Occurrence of aflatoxins, ochratoxin A, and fumonisins in retail foods in
Japan. Sugita-Konishi Yoshiko; Nakajima Masahiro; Tabata Setsuko;
Ishikuro Eiichi; Tanaka Toshitsugu; Norizuki Hiroko; Itoh Yoshinori; Aoyama
Koji; Fujita Kazuhiro; Kai Shigemi; Kumagai Susumu National Institute of
Health Sciences, 1-18-1, Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan.
ykonishi@nihs.go.jp Journal of food protection (2006), 69(6), 1365-
70. Journal code: 7703944. ISSN:0362-028X. United States. Journal;
Article; (JOURNAL ARTICLE) written in English. PubMed ID 16786858 AN
2006371632 MEDLINE
Abstract
We conducted a survey of aflatoxin B1, B2, G1, and G2, ochratoxin A, and
fumonisin B1, B2, and B3 contamination in various foods on the retail
ket in Japan in 2004 and 2005. The mycotoxins were analyzed by high-
performance liquid chromatography, liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry,
or high-performance thin-layer chromatography. Aflatoxins were detected in
10 of 21 peanut butter samples; the highest concentration of aflatoxin B1
was 2.59 microg/kg. Aflatoxin contamination was not found in corn
products, corn, peanuts, buckwheat flour, dried buckwheat noodles, rice, or
sesame oil. Ochratoxin A was detected in oatmeal, wheat flour, rye,
buckwheat flour, green coffee beans, roasted coffee beans, raisins, beer,
and wine but not in rice or corn products. Ochratoxin A concentrations in
contaminated samples were below 0.8 microg/kg. Fumonisins were detected in
popcorn, frozen corn, corn flakes, and corn grits. The highest
concentrations of fumonisins B1, B2, and B3 in these samples were 354.0,
94.0, and 64.0 microg/kg, respectively.
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Bill Asher
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 19:07:24
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On 11 Jan 2007 19:31:06 GMT, William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
>What probably saves most Americans is that most
>of our choosy mothers choose Jif or Skippy rather than Adam's Old Fashioned
>or the grind-your-own variety down at the co-op ket
I buy "all-natural" peanut butter in jars from the big manufacturers.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 17:17:19
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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h squared wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
> >>hopefully almond butter is somewhat "cleaner" in that regard than peanut
> >>butter. (because soynut butter is right out...)
> >
> > I should try almond butter. But its expensive. And for some reason I
> > always associate almonds with poison -- not from mold but from the
> > get-go.
>
> yeah, i've seen almond butter for $15.00 a jar!! wtf? but whole foods
> has some of their store brand that's only about $6.00 a jar, which is a
> little more reasonable.
>
> cyanide supposedly smells like "bitter almond" whatever that means.
> maybe that's why you think of poison when you think of almonds?
Trader Joe's almond butter is fairly inexpensive. It's not bad.
I never finished the jar though. I more or less tolerate almond
butter, and I just don't like peanut butter, which is pretty much
equivalent to hating freedom.
I wouldn't stop eating organic or natural peanut butter on the basis
of that Dean Esmay article. It talks some shite about risk analysis,
but it never gives any numbers. Other than "2 tbsp/day are higher
risk than living next to a nuclear power plant," but the statistical
risk from living next to a (Western, not Chernobyl) nuclear power
plant is actually quite small; you might be worse off living next
to a dry cleaner or a guy with a diesel generator.
Ben
On the other hand, talk to a CDC doctor and you may
never eat from a restaurant salad bar again.
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 07:06:11
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote in
news:1168478239.156138.69220@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
> h squared wrote:
>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>
>> >>hopefully almond butter is somewhat "cleaner" in that regard than
>> >>peanut butter. (because soynut butter is right out...)
>> >
>> > I should try almond butter. But its expensive. And for some
>> > reason I always associate almonds with poison -- not from mold but
>> > from the get-go.
>>
>> yeah, i've seen almond butter for $15.00 a jar!! wtf? but whole foods
>> has some of their store brand that's only about $6.00 a jar, which is
>> a little more reasonable.
>>
>> cyanide supposedly smells like "bitter almond" whatever that means.
>> maybe that's why you think of poison when you think of almonds?
>
>
> Trader Joe's almond butter is fairly inexpensive. It's not bad.
> I never finished the jar though. I more or less tolerate almond
> butter, and I just don't like peanut butter, which is pretty much
> equivalent to hating freedom.
>
> I wouldn't stop eating organic or natural peanut butter on the basis
> of that Dean Esmay article. It talks some shite about risk analysis,
> but it never gives any numbers. Other than "2 tbsp/day are higher
> risk than living next to a nuclear power plant," but the statistical
> risk from living next to a (Western, not Chernobyl) nuclear power
> plant is actually quite small; you might be worse off living next
> to a dry cleaner or a guy with a diesel generator.
>
> Ben
> On the other hand, talk to a CDC doctor and you may
> never eat from a restaurant salad bar again.
>
>
You may be hell on wheels in physics, but toxicology isn't your strong
suit. Alfatoxins are incredibly carcinogenic and they are likely a
significant health risk in peanut butter, especially if you buy organic
peanut butter and don't refrigerate it. For example, go here:
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/fdaact.html
Compare the permissible levels of aflatoxins to something that is so hot
in a carcinogenic sense you don't want to be in the same time zone with
it, like the nitrosamines. Aflatoxin is only a factor of two higher than
n-methylnitrosamine and that range also includes such lovely beasts as
heptachlor and EDB. Compare aflatoxin to methylmercury, which at 1 ppm
is a factor of 50 higher.
Eating peanut butter is probably better than living next to a diesel
generator, but only because the diesel produces respirable soot particles
containing things like benzo[a]pyrene. It's much easier to get stuff in
if the particles are respirable. Now if your neighbor was using a
biodiesel generator running on contaminated peanut oil, that might be
even better.
Dry cleaning solvents, mainly PCE, are not in the same ballpark with
aflatoxin in terms of carcinogenicity. TCE and PCE are listed as
suspected carcinogens, or at least they were the last time I checked.
That's not to say they are harmless, but compared to aflatoxin they're
pretty benign.
Now, to put the final nail in the coffin even though nobody has read
this, go here:
http://potency.berkeley.edu/pdfs/ChemicalTable.pdf
find the TD50, the cancer potency of approximately 1485 chemicals based
on tests done with animals, and compare aflatoxins to other things in
Table A where there is the most data (nobody likes rats, apparently).
The only thing I saw with a lower TD50 was a TCDD and they seriously rock
(although I didn't do a comprehensive search). If you are ADD, go to
Table C for monkeys, there are fewer chemicals and the comparison is
easier since conveniently they list some nitrosamines (conveniently
renamed to nitroso-whatever-amine) and aflatoxin. Diethylnitrosamine
comes close to aflatoxin, but it's still nearly an order of magnitude
larger.
Peanut butter can be some nasty shit but sure tastes good on celery.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 00:10:39
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <rcousine-4A5C0A.21365707012007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> Do you think the fact that I routinely go through 2kg jars of peanut
> butter might be part of my diet problem?
If "routinely" means "in a week," then yes. (Says the guy who has a pb&j for
breakfast almost every day.)
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 11:36:02
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
butter.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 20:49:45
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <50i94sF1gcdmoU1@mid.individual.net >,
"Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid > wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
> > (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>
> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
> on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
Wow, that pre-mixed stuff was awful; further proof there's no accounting for
taste... A friend worked with a guy who regularly walked around eating a huge bowl
of peanut butter with a spoon. That guy also drank six to ten (company provided)
sodas a day.
> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> butter.
Well, peanut butter is good, so if they're working off the postulation "it's
better with butter" perhaps they're assuming that "if it's good, it must have
butter."
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 07:29:31
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:49:45 -0800, Howard Kveck
<YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
>In article <50i94sF1gcdmoU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Howard Kveck wrote:
>> > (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>>
>> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
>> on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
>
> Wow, that pre-mixed stuff was awful; further proof there's no accounting for
>taste... A friend worked with a guy who regularly walked around eating a huge bowl
>of peanut butter with a spoon. That guy also drank six to ten (company provided)
>sodas a day.
>
>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
>> butter.
>
> Well, peanut butter is good, so if they're working off the postulation "it's
>better with butter" perhaps they're assuming that "if it's good, it must have
>butter."
The thing about peanut butter is a lot of the stuff is nasty and bad
for you -- has partially hydrogenated vegeble oil mixed in. Not good.
Not good. Butter would be better.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 13:12:35
From: h squared
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Robert Chung wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
>
>> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>
>
> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
> on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
>
> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> butter.
for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
this now :o
h
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 05:31:41
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <GOmdnWG9geTZmDnYnZ2dnUVZ_uzinZ2d@comcast.com >,
h squared <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net > wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>
> > Howard Kveck wrote:
> >
> >> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
> >
> >
> > In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
> > on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
> >
> > A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> > butter.
>
> for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
> butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
> this now :o
>
>
> h
ry me. Yes, we both have spouses, but that will probably be legal in
Canada soon anyways.
I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 14:40:47
From: h squared
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> ry me. Yes, we both have spouses, but that will probably be legal in
> Canada soon anyways.
>
> I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches,
don't be foolish- the last person on rbr to ry me was tom kunich, and
look what happened to him.
heather, (off to stick her head into the 5# bag of chocolate chips
waiting in the kitchen, mmm ;)
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 21:59:43
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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h squared wrote:
> don't be foolish- the last person on rbr to ry me was tom kunich, and
> look what happened to him.
Heather the axe murderess. And to keep to the spirit of this thread, I
presume you've got portions of Kunich stored in your refrigerator next to
the andoulette?
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 23:02:04
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <45a6985e$0$32250$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> h squared wrote:
> > don't be foolish- the last person on rbr to ry me was tom kunich, and
> > look what happened to him.
>
> Heather the axe murderess. And to keep to the spirit of this thread, I
> presume you've got portions of Kunich stored in your refrigerator next to
> the andoulette?
Hey, Curtis Russell disappeared a few days after TK - just enough time to get
across the country and do the job...
--
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Howard
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 20:03:22
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Donald Munro wrote:
> h squared wrote:
>> don't be foolish- the last person on rbr to ry me was tom kunich,
>> and look what happened to him.
>
> Heather the axe murderess. And to keep to the spirit of this thread, I
> presume you've got portions of Kunich stored in your refrigerator next
> to the andoulette?
>
Who do you think is in the andoulette?
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 15:48:31
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <L9-dnY8cHNby9jjYnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com >,
h squared <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>
>
> > ry me. Yes, we both have spouses, but that will probably be legal in
> > Canada soon anyways.
> >
> > I have a recipe for PB & chocolate chip microwave sandwiches,
>
> don't be foolish- the last person on rbr to ry me was tom kunich, and
> look what happened to him.
>
> heather, (off to stick her head into the 5# bag of chocolate chips
> waiting in the kitchen, mmm ;)
I know where to get 30 kilo bags of Valrhona chocolate chips.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 19:02:16
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:12:35 -0800, h squared
<clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net > wrote:
>for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
>butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
>this now :o
Were you trying to gain weight? Or save money on food?
I have a PB&J for breakfast a couple times a week currently. Or
really PB and fruit preserves or fruit butter (apple butter, prune
butter).
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 05:34:17
From: h squared
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:12:35 -0800, h squared
> <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
>>butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
>>this now :o
>
>
> Were you trying to gain weight? Or save money on food?
>
> I have a PB&J for breakfast a couple times a week currently. Or
> really PB and fruit preserves or fruit butter (apple butter, prune
> butter).
i was living in the dormitory and i didn't eat meat and also didn't
usually like the food they prepared and served in the cafeteria. plus
i'm a freak so i just started eating out of the condiment bar for
awhile. the bowls weren't huge- they were small and made for holding
things like ketchup or butter. but after a few months of this i started
having problems healing and had to take antibiotics for something that
started out as a small crack in the corner of my mouth..mmmm, malnutrition!
i still like to butter my sandwiches before putting the pb&j on, though.
(and last nite i had a weird dream where robert chung and his wife kept
making out in the background while i was trying to get stuff done.
stupid rbr....)
h, eating left over baked beans for 1st breakfast today
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 08:42:19
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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h squared wrote:
> i still like to butter my sandwiches before putting the pb&j on, though.
> (and last nite i had a weird dream where robert chung and his wife kept
> making out in the background while i was trying to get stuff done.
Was there cheesy music in the background, like this?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-304248496329760320
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 10:29:36
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:42:19 -0800, Robert Chung wrote:
> Was there cheesy music in the background, like this?
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-304248496329760320
Well that does look like your wife, but who's the dude, dude?!
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 16:51:53
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:42:19 -0800, Robert Chung wrote:
>> Was there cheesy music in the background, like this?
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-304248496329760320
>
> Well that does look like your wife, but who's the dude, dude?!
Some guy who has a thing for seaweed.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 14:38:59
From: h squared
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Robert Chung wrote:
> h squared wrote:
>
>>i still like to butter my sandwiches before putting the pb&j on, though.
>>(and last nite i had a weird dream where robert chung and his wife kept
>>making out in the background while i was trying to get stuff done.
>
>
> Was there cheesy music in the background, like this?
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-304248496329760320
my dreams are not usually accompanied by a porno soundtrack. anyway, i
was busy trying to balance my checkbook or correct a receiving invoice
and wasn't actually paying attention to you two, but if that's what was
happening, maybe i should have.
scandalized,
h
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 10:30:16
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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h squared wrote:
>>>i still like to butter my sandwiches before putting the pb&j on, though.
>>>(and last nite i had a weird dream where robert chung and his wife kept
>>>making out in the background while i was trying to get stuff done.
Robert Chung wrote:
>> Was there cheesy music in the background, like this?
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-304248496329760320
h squared wrote:
> my dreams are not usually accompanied by a porno soundtrack. anyway, i
> was busy trying to balance my checkbook or correct a receiving invoice
> and wasn't actually paying attention to you two, but if that's what was
> happening, maybe i should have.
Don't worry, Mrs Chung was probably planning the grocery list.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 20:49:47
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <f6b8q2lacmnrb5a1e366rr8sh0juq3oj9m@4ax.com >,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:12:35 -0800, h squared
> <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
> >butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
> >this now :o
>
> Were you trying to gain weight? Or save money on food?
>
> I have a PB&J for breakfast a couple times a week currently. Or
> really PB and fruit preserves or fruit butter (apple butter, prune
> butter).
Having it with a good fruit preserve (like Clearbrook Farms or Agrimontana) with
a high percentage of actual fruit makes it pretty tasty and nutritious.
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tanx,
Howard
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 00:36:38
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:12:35 -0800, h squared
> <clevistoreplyremovethisbit@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>for several months when i was in college i ate a bowl of equal parts
>>butter, peanut butter and honey every nite for dinner. i don't recommend
>>this now :o
>
> Were you trying to gain weight? Or save money on food?
>
> I have a PB&J for breakfast a couple times a week currently. Or
> really PB and fruit preserves or fruit butter (apple butter, prune
> butter).
Everyone knows that a mixture of butter, peanut butter, and honey is the
only thing that will cut through the film on your teeth and tongue the
morning after doing shooters of cheap tequila the night before.
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Bill Asher
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 09:09:39
From: Stu Fleming
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Robert Chung wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
>> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>
> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on bread --
> on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
>
> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> butter.
Yes, but how much fun is in funeral?
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 20:10:57
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Stu Fleming wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>> Howard Kveck wrote:
>>> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for breakfast almost every day.)
>>
>> In college, I had a friend who ate this almost every day. Not on
>> bread -- on a spoon. He bought jars of that pre-mixed PB&J stuff.
>>
>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
>> butter.
>
> Yes, but how much fun is in funeral?
real, it's just a little mixed up.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 19:50:41
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Robert Chung wrote:
> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
> butter.
I saw a Mr. Rogers episode where Fred made peanut butter by crushing
peanuts with a wooden spoon and mixing the pieces with butter. Maybe that
is where the French got the idea.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 16:14:33
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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William Asher wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>
>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
>> butter.
>
> I saw a Mr. Rogers episode where Fred made peanut butter by crushing
> peanuts with a wooden spoon and mixing the pieces with butter. Maybe
> that is where the French got the idea.
Now that's just sick. Everyone knows that were it properly named, it
wouldn't be "peanut butter," it would be "peanut lard."
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 00:40:10
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Robert Chung wrote:
> William Asher wrote:
>> Robert Chung wrote:
>>
>>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
>>> butter.
>>
>> I saw a Mr. Rogers episode where Fred made peanut butter by crushing
>> peanuts with a wooden spoon and mixing the pieces with butter. Maybe
>> that is where the French got the idea.
>
> Now that's just sick. Everyone knows that were it properly named, it
> wouldn't be "peanut butter," it would be "peanut lard."
As a gesture of reconcilliation and international goodwill, I propose we
name it "French peanuts." At which point, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh
will want to rename it "Freedom peanuts," which would be pretty goddamned
funny.
Or is "French peanuts" already taken to describe the effect of heavy
anabolic steroid use on someone's testicles?
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 11:52:14
From: Geraard Spergen
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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William Asher wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>
>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in peanut
>> butter.
>
> I saw a Mr. Rogers episode where Fred made peanut butter by crushing
> peanuts with a wooden spoon and mixing the pieces with butter. Maybe that
> is where the French got the idea.
>
I hear the French also think Mr. Rogers is a comic genius.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 19:57:08
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Geraard Spergen wrote:
> William Asher wrote:
>> Robert Chung wrote:
>>
>>> A not-uncommon French misconception is that there is butter in
>>> peanut butter.
>>
>> I saw a Mr. Rogers episode where Fred made peanut butter by crushing
>> peanuts with a wooden spoon and mixing the pieces with butter. Maybe
>> that is where the French got the idea.
>>
>
> I hear the French also think Mr. Rogers is a comic genius.
>
Yeah, but they have him confused with Jerry Lewis.
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 17:15:45
From: h squared
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> (Says the guy who has a pb&j for
> breakfast almost every day.)
>
meeee toooo! but in my case, it's for my second breakfast almost
everyday. people who eat breakfast weigh less than those who don't, so
two bfs per day must be even better, right? ;)
heather, (almost time for first dinner..)
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 08:30:53
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:15:45 -0800, h squared wrote:
> two bfs per day must be even better, right? ;)
You polyandrist you.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 01:06:45
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> polyandrist
Congratulations, first use in rbr.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 01:43:31
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>> polyandrist
>
> Congratulations, first use in rbr.
>
> Bob Schwartz
For general use of language, though, this one still wins:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/d707bde25d7c9cfa
Dan
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 20:44:35
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
news:45A444C5.2080601@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m...
>
> For general use of language, though, this one still wins:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/d707bde25d7c9cfa
>
> Dan
I give up. Was the author dupedcyclist, Magilla, CritPro?
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 03:39:59
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote in message
> news:45A444C5.2080601@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m...
>> For general use of language, though, this one still wins:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/d707bde25d7c9cfa
>>
>> Dan
>
> I give up. Was the author dupedcyclist, Magilla, CritPro?
Racers that can actually string together complete sentences are
rare enough that I remember Derek Bouchard-Hall.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 07:28:34
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:39:59 GMT, Bob Schwartz
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
>Racers that can actually string together complete sentences are
>rare enough that I remember Derek Bouchard-Hall.
Just to change the subject, DBH said something to me once that really
made me think. I'd said I hadn't crashed in several years and race a
reasonable amount (40-50 races a year) and he said, basically, I
wasn't crashing enough. That if I was racing right I should be
crashing once or twice a year on average.
And he was probably right -- I was wussing out a little too often in
the finale of races to play it super-safe.
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 13:22:23
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:28:34 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> And he was probably right -- I was wussing out a little too often
> in the finale of races to play it super-safe.
Well, it's all about priorities. Do more top 10 finishes weigh up
against crashing once in a while? You chose wussly but wisely.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 20:49:44
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: New hope for masters fatties
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In article <jeZoh.31067$hI.1992@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net >,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote in message
> > news:45A444C5.2080601@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m...
> >> For general use of language, though, this one still wins:
> >> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/d707bde25d7c9cfa
> >>
> >> Dan
> >
> > I give up. Was the author dupedcyclist, Magilla, CritPro?
>
> Racers that can actually string together complete sentences are
> rare enough that I remember Derek Bouchard-Hall.
That was rather eloquent, wasn't it? On another note, the '01 Mercury / Viatel
team had some pretty good people (go here and scroll down:
http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/archive-2001tt1.htm )
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