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Date: 26 Feb 2007 19:41:27
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: No! Impossible!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/world/middleeast/25kirby.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
"Petty Officer Kirby, 23, was struck by a bullet in the left side of the
face while near a bunker on the roof of Outpost O, a ine position in
Karma, a city in Anbar Province.
His injury mixed the worst of luck with an uncanny stroke of good fortune.
The bullet, which he said was an armor-piercing 7.62 millimeter round fired
from a Dragunov-style sniper rifle at a range of 400 to 600 yards, passed
through his head and exited at the side of his mouth."
Didn't Bill tell us that Iraqis aren't using armor piercing bullets? And
didn't we note that armor piercing rounds gpo through Dragonskin armor?
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 14:01:33
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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On Feb 26, 11:52 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 26, 1:41 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/world/middleeast/25kirby.html?_r=2&...
>
> > "Petty Officer Kirby, 23, was struck by a bullet in the left side of the
> > face while near a bunker on the roof of Outpost O, a ine position in
> > Karma, a city in Anbar Province.
> > His injury mixed the worst of luck with an uncanny stroke of good fortune.
>
> > The bullet, which he said was an armor-piercing 7.62 millimeter round fired
> > from a Dragunov-style sniper rifle at a range of 400 to 600 yards, passed
> > through his head and exited at the side of his mouth."
> > Didn't Bill tell us that Iraqis aren't using armor piercing bullets?
>
> If the ID on the bullet and rifle were correct, then the shooter was
> indeed a specially equipped sniper.
>
> > And didn't we note that armor piercing rounds gpo through Dragonskin armor?
>
> As always, don't let facts or common sense get in your way when you're
> trying to win an argument, right or wrong, in your typical style, in
> your quest to rule this poor innocent newsgroup (not gonna happen).
>
> http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_060420_dragon...
>
> I see "armor piercing" on the list of rounds resisted by the
> Dragonskin, in addition to some questioning of the reliability of the
> "Army line" on Dragonskin.
>
> Indeed, far too many "civilians" are running around stomping all over
> Army business. Nearly as many civilians as soldiers in Iraq? I smell a
> neocon scam.
>
> Well, whatever: Leave it to you to pick an example of someone getting
> shot in a part of the body not covered by body armor in a discussion
> about body armor.
>
> I guess I could link you to where I read about the Dragunov not being
> a "sniper rifle" at all. Inaccurate (3-in 100yd groups "normal" for
> this semi-auto with stamped parts).
> Or you could look it up yourself-- "dedicated ksman rifle, with
> flash suppressor, issued one per company to Russian soldiers. Used to
> return fire without revealing the location of the company", is close
> enough.
>
> So, 4-600 yards away, and still hit what he was aiming at? And how was
> it exactly they ID'd the projectile as being armor-piercing in the
> first place? Lotta "doubt it" in that story. --D-y
Thanks DY
Not getting into this. Just want to comment on terminology.
Things like "Armor piercing", "assault rifle", "sniper rifle",
"sniper", etc... are thrown around and attached to things they just
don't belong on or have been broadened so much that they have no real
meaning as used.
It does make it tough to have a discussion when everyone has a
different understanding of what the words involved mean.
Glad you took the time to look some things up.
Thanks
Bill C
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 10:33:49
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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On Feb 27, 12:26 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> http://azurservers.com:8080/piccy/feb2407Y.jpg
That one of those "snow on the roof, fire in the fireplace" pictures,
O King of the Wild Frontier?
Davey: You're just taunting ol' Lonesome Tom there, I can tell. Shame
on you! <g > --D-y
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 20:52:50
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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On Feb 26, 1:41 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/world/middleeast/25kirby.html?_r=2&...
>
> "Petty Officer Kirby, 23, was struck by a bullet in the left side of the
> face while near a bunker on the roof of Outpost O, a ine position in
> Karma, a city in Anbar Province.
> His injury mixed the worst of luck with an uncanny stroke of good fortune.
>
> The bullet, which he said was an armor-piercing 7.62 millimeter round fired
> from a Dragunov-style sniper rifle at a range of 400 to 600 yards, passed
> through his head and exited at the side of his mouth."
> Didn't Bill tell us that Iraqis aren't using armor piercing bullets?
If the ID on the bullet and rifle were correct, then the shooter was
indeed a specially equipped sniper.
> And didn't we note that armor piercing rounds gpo through Dragonskin armor?
As always, don't let facts or common sense get in your way when you're
trying to win an argument, right or wrong, in your typical style, in
your quest to rule this poor innocent newsgroup (not gonna happen).
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_060420_dragon3,,00.html
I see "armor piercing" on the list of rounds resisted by the
Dragonskin, in addition to some questioning of the reliability of the
"Army line" on Dragonskin.
Indeed, far too many "civilians" are running around stomping all over
Army business. Nearly as many civilians as soldiers in Iraq? I smell a
neocon scam.
Well, whatever: Leave it to you to pick an example of someone getting
shot in a part of the body not covered by body armor in a discussion
about body armor.
I guess I could link you to where I read about the Dragunov not being
a "sniper rifle" at all. Inaccurate (3-in 100yd groups "normal" for
this semi-auto with stamped parts).
Or you could look it up yourself-- "dedicated ksman rifle, with
flash suppressor, issued one per company to Russian soldiers. Used to
return fire without revealing the location of the company", is close
enough.
So, 4-600 yards away, and still hit what he was aiming at? And how was
it exactly they ID'd the projectile as being armor-piercing in the
first place? Lotta "doubt it" in that story. --D-y
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 20:17:08
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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On Feb 26, 1:41 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/world/middleeast/25kirby.html?_r=2&...
>
> "Petty Officer Kirby, 23, was struck by a bullet in the left side of the
> face while near a bunker on the roof of Outpost O, a ine position in
> Karma, a city in Anbar Province.
> His injury mixed the worst of luck with an uncanny stroke of good fortune.
>
> The bullet, which he said was an armor-piercing 7.62 millimeter round fired
> from a Dragunov-style sniper rifle at a range of 400 to 600 yards, passed
> through his head and exited at the side of his mouth."
>
> Didn't Bill tell us that Iraqis aren't using armor piercing bullets? And
> didn't we note that armor piercing rounds gpo through Dragonskin armor?
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Date: 26 Feb 2007 14:03:30
From: ilan
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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On Feb 26, 8:41 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/25/world/middleeast/25kirby.html?_r=2&...
>
> "Petty Officer Kirby, 23, was struck by a bullet in the left side of the
> face while near a bunker on the roof of Outpost O, a ine position in
> Karma, a city in Anbar Province.
> His injury mixed the worst of luck with an uncanny stroke of good fortune.
>
> The bullet, which he said was an armor-piercing 7.62 millimeter round fired
> from a Dragunov-style sniper rifle at a range of 400 to 600 yards, passed
> through his head and exited at the side of his mouth."
>
> Didn't Bill tell us that Iraqis aren't using armor piercing bullets? And
> didn't we note that armor piercing rounds gpo through Dragonskin armor?
I told you: DON'T MENTION THE WAR!
-ilan
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 01:08:13
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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"ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1172527409.936137.192610@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I told you: DON'T MENTION THE WAR!
I beg your pardon Ilan. How about how ugly Davey is?
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 07:26:07
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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* "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > a écrit
> "ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1172527409.936137.192610@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I told you: DON'T MENTION THE WAR!
>
> I beg your pardon Ilan. How about how ugly Davey is?
>
>
Davey at least posts his ugly mug with every post, and as anyone can
tell from the admittedly poor image that can be displayed on a 48x48
grid, he might be an old 'Master', but he certainly ain't no 'Fatty',
just a little like Jan after a winter of pigging out.
http://azurservers.com:8080/piccy/feb2407Y.jpg
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
The News CNN and SKY won't show you
http://azurservers.com:8080
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 13:47:16
From: ST
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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On 2/26/07 10:26 PM, in article 87zm70yv40.fsf@azurservers.com, "Davey
Crockett" <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote:
>
> * "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> a écrit
>> "ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1172527409.936137.192610@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> I told you: DON'T MENTION THE WAR!
>>
>> I beg your pardon Ilan. How about how ugly Davey is?
>>
>>
> Davey at least posts his ugly mug with every post, and as anyone can
> tell from the admittedly poor image that can be displayed on a 48x48
> grid, he might be an old 'Master', but he certainly ain't no 'Fatty',
> just a little like Jan after a winter of pigging out.
>
> http://azurservers.com:8080/piccy/feb2407Y.jpg
What are you doing with your arm around a black transvestite??
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 15:57:48
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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* ST <no@no.com > a écrit
> On 2/26/07 10:26 PM, in article 87zm70yv40.fsf@azurservers.com, "Davey
> Crockett" <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> * "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> a écrit
>>> "ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1172527409.936137.192610@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> I told you: DON'T MENTION THE WAR!
>>>
>>> I beg your pardon Ilan. How about how ugly Davey is?
>>>
>>>
>> Davey at least posts his ugly mug with every post, and as anyone can
>> tell from the admittedly poor image that can be displayed on a 48x48
>> grid, he might be an old 'Master', but he certainly ain't no 'Fatty',
>> just a little like Jan after a winter of pigging out.
>>
>> http://azurservers.com:8080/piccy/feb2407Y.jpg
>
> What are you doing with your arm around a black transvestite??
>
She ain't black; just a bit sunburnt
She's French, but her folks came from Morocco eons ago
And she don't take no Shit either, especially from Wankerz like you
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
The News CNN and SKY won't show you
http://azurservers.com:8080
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 10:18:26
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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Davey Crockett wrote:
> Davey at least posts his ugly mug with every post, and as anyone can
> tell from the admittedly poor image that can be displayed on a 48x48
> grid, he might be an old 'Master', but he certainly ain't no 'Fatty',
> just a little like Jan after a winter of pigging out.
>
> http://azurservers.com:8080/piccy/feb2407Y.jpg
Any bets on Jan's weight after a year in retirement ? Will Lafferty be
supplying a King cake as a prize for the best guess ?
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Date: 27 Feb 2007 09:32:36
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: No! Impossible!
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:18:26 +0200, Donald Munro wrote:
> Any bets on Jan's weight after a year in retirement ? Will Lafferty be
> supplying a King cake as a prize for the best guess ?
Date: start of the Tour 2007. Or should I say: 7 July 2007..?
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E. Dronkert
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