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Date: 12 Sep 2007 04:40:16
From: Bret
Subject: One way to support cyclocross
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http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 04:32:17
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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On Sep 13, 11:43 pm, Scott <hendricks_sc...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 12, 6:31 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> > On Sep 12, 12:40 am, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
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> > Not the best way to do it. Cross, with the Cub Jrs. category, is a
> > great natural progression for kids, loets them ride their mtbs to get
> > in. It's massively lower key and has a much smaller percentage of
> > assholes, or at least they are more mellow during the season. It's
> > easy to stick 700-23/25 clincher cross tires on a road bike, and this
> > is good enough to start racing for anything kids are likely to have
> > fun doing. They get to do all kinds of things, as part of the event,
> > that they are told NOT to do with a road bike. Helps the "cool"
> > factor. All it takes is a couple of people to do some grass rides and
> > skills stuff with the kids. Much better to bring the kids and parents
> > along to the race, when you're racing, and walk them through the whole
> > procedure. There are programs and people out there willing to spend
> > the cash to support kids too, including one of our former, fairly
> > regulars J.D. Bilodeau who's putting up entry fees for the mid-
> > atlantic and is always willing to help out too.
> > Money's good. A little time and effort is a lot more fun and
> > rewarding. Cross absolutely rocks for Cub Jrs!
> > Bill C
>
> Bill,
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> Don't be so quick to judge. The folks at ACA have dedicated countless
> hours to all manner of activities for kids to get into 'cross, most
> notably running a VERY popular camp at the YMCA of the Rockies outside
> of Winter Park and running a team of sorts for the kid 'crossers. The
> request for money is just one more step in the development of bigger
> and better programs. The ACA program is a huge success.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
That's really cool. Hope they have tons of success.
Bill C
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 20:43:33
From: Scott
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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On Sep 12, 6:31 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Sep 12, 12:40 am, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
>
> Not the best way to do it. Cross, with the Cub Jrs. category, is a
> great natural progression for kids, loets them ride their mtbs to get
> in. It's massively lower key and has a much smaller percentage of
> assholes, or at least they are more mellow during the season. It's
> easy to stick 700-23/25 clincher cross tires on a road bike, and this
> is good enough to start racing for anything kids are likely to have
> fun doing. They get to do all kinds of things, as part of the event,
> that they are told NOT to do with a road bike. Helps the "cool"
> factor. All it takes is a couple of people to do some grass rides and
> skills stuff with the kids. Much better to bring the kids and parents
> along to the race, when you're racing, and walk them through the whole
> procedure. There are programs and people out there willing to spend
> the cash to support kids too, including one of our former, fairly
> regulars J.D. Bilodeau who's putting up entry fees for the mid-
> atlantic and is always willing to help out too.
> Money's good. A little time and effort is a lot more fun and
> rewarding. Cross absolutely rocks for Cub Jrs!
> Bill C
Bill,
Don't be so quick to judge. The folks at ACA have dedicated countless
hours to all manner of activities for kids to get into 'cross, most
notably running a VERY popular camp at the YMCA of the Rockies outside
of Winter Park and running a team of sorts for the kid 'crossers. The
request for money is just one more step in the development of bigger
and better programs. The ACA program is a huge success.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 16:45:11
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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On Sep 13, 7:39 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
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> Love Dale and Ann and have nothing but good things to say about RAD.
> My only complaint is that they were just getting started when we were
> living out there, and then we went back to Germany.
> I'd still take where we are in New England over Puyallup, but not by
> much. Living in Tacoma we had great riding, bike shops, minor league
> baseball, people, etc... Fantastic place to live as long as the
> politics don't make you nuts, same as it is here, but RAD really
> stands alone as a MAJOR Jrs. program that puts ALL the kids first.
> Bill C
Gotta add a PS.
Chris Harnisch tried to do something similar on a smaller scale here
and got crucified by the old guard here who were incredibly threatened
by his success. Fernando Cuevas also runs a really good, do it right
as people, team. Unfortunately, the last I knew, he's battling serious
health problems and he's one of the really good people in cycling.
Bill C
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 08:02:19
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1189727111.376755.13230@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 13, 7:39 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Love Dale and Ann and have nothing but good things to say about RAD.
>> My only complaint is that they were just getting started when we were
>> living out there, and then we went back to Germany.
>> I'd still take where we are in New England over Puyallup, but not by
>> much. Living in Tacoma we had great riding, bike shops, minor league
>> baseball, people, etc... Fantastic place to live as long as the
>> politics don't make you nuts, same as it is here, but RAD really
>> stands alone as a MAJOR Jrs. program that puts ALL the kids first.
>> Bill C
>
> Gotta add a PS.
> Chris Harnisch tried to do something similar on a smaller scale here
> and got crucified by the old guard here who were incredibly threatened
> by his success. Fernando Cuevas also runs a really good, do it right
> as people, team. Unfortunately, the last I knew, he's battling serious
> health problems and he's one of the really good people in cycling.
> Bill C
>
Dale and Anne are two of the most positive, optimistic people that I know.
It seems that their enthusiasm for racing and training is infectious to the
people around them. I know that there are many kids racing bicycles because
their lives intersected with one of them.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 16:39:14
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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On Sep 12, 11:27 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
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> The coaches that donate their time are great. Dale Knapp, who runs the RAD
> Racing cyclocross program, is out there teaching kids from all teams the
> skills needed to improve with the emphasis on having fun. The other coaches
> are just as passionate and everyone seems to have a great time.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Love Dale and Ann and have nothing but good things to say about RAD.
My only complaint is that they were just getting started when we were
living out there, and then we went back to Germany.
I'd still take where we are in New England over Puyallup, but not by
much. Living in Tacoma we had great riding, bike shops, minor league
baseball, people, etc... Fantastic place to live as long as the
politics don't make you nuts, same as it is here, but RAD really
stands alone as a MAJOR Jrs. program that puts ALL the kids first.
Bill C
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 17:31:56
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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On Sep 12, 12:40 am, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
Not the best way to do it. Cross, with the Cub Jrs. category, is a
great natural progression for kids, loets them ride their mtbs to get
in. It's massively lower key and has a much smaller percentage of
assholes, or at least they are more mellow during the season. It's
easy to stick 700-23/25 clincher cross tires on a road bike, and this
is good enough to start racing for anything kids are likely to have
fun doing. They get to do all kinds of things, as part of the event,
that they are told NOT to do with a road bike. Helps the "cool"
factor. All it takes is a couple of people to do some grass rides and
skills stuff with the kids. Much better to bring the kids and parents
along to the race, when you're racing, and walk them through the whole
procedure. There are programs and people out there willing to spend
the cash to support kids too, including one of our former, fairly
regulars J.D. Bilodeau who's putting up entry fees for the mid-
atlantic and is always willing to help out too.
Money's good. A little time and effort is a lot more fun and
rewarding. Cross absolutely rocks for Cub Jrs!
Bill C
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 20:27:11
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1189643516.672824.239580@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 12, 12:40 am, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
>
> Not the best way to do it. Cross, with the Cub Jrs. category, is a
> great natural progression for kids, loets them ride their mtbs to get
> in. It's massively lower key and has a much smaller percentage of
> assholes, or at least they are more mellow during the season. It's
> easy to stick 700-23/25 clincher cross tires on a road bike, and this
> is good enough to start racing for anything kids are likely to have
> fun doing. They get to do all kinds of things, as part of the event,
> that they are told NOT to do with a road bike. Helps the "cool"
> factor. All it takes is a couple of people to do some grass rides and
> skills stuff with the kids. Much better to bring the kids and parents
> along to the race, when you're racing, and walk them through the whole
> procedure. There are programs and people out there willing to spend
> the cash to support kids too, including one of our former, fairly
> regulars J.D. Bilodeau who's putting up entry fees for the mid-
> atlantic and is always willing to help out too.
> Money's good. A little time and effort is a lot more fun and
> rewarding. Cross absolutely rocks for Cub Jrs!
> Bill C
>
We have a pretty good practice program on Wednesday nights during the
season. Lots of different groups from absolute beginners, juniors, women,
and men's C through A. There is appropriate coaching at each level with a
mixture of skills practice and a mock race at the end of every session.
Many times a kid starts attending and before long one or both parents are
involved.
The coaches that donate their time are great. Dale Knapp, who runs the RAD
Racing cyclocross program, is out there teaching kids from all teams the
skills needed to improve with the emphasis on having fun. The other coaches
are just as passionate and everyone seems to have a great time.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 07:01:45
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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In article <1189572016.311254.219950@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
Youth development cyclocross teams are like youth outreach beer-drinking
programs.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 08:40:57
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:01:45 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
>In article <1189572016.311254.219950@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
> Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
>
>Youth development cyclocross teams are like youth outreach beer-drinking
>programs.
That important?
Ron
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 03:25:55
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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In article <thnfe31tc1t2c2ecsprmrqlials96s149t@4ax.com >,
RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:01:45 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> >In article <1189572016.311254.219950@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
> > Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
> >
> >Youth development cyclocross teams are like youth outreach beer-drinking
> >programs.
>
> That important?
>
> Ron
Oh, you're getting it all wrong, Ron!
The attraction of drinking to children is the forbidden nature.
Youth outreach beer-drinking programs would ruin everything!
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 07:06:47
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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On 09/12/2007 06:40 AM, in article
thnfe31tc1t2c2ecsprmrqlials96s149t@4ax.com, "RonSonic"
<ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:01:45 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
>> In article <1189572016.311254.219950@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>> Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
>>
>> Youth development cyclocross teams are like youth outreach beer-drinking
>> programs.
>
> That important?
My club has two active juniors ... and we are sponsored by Uinta Brewing
Company ...
I love seeing kids wearing beer jerseys in Utah.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 18:01:18
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com > wrote in message
news:C30D4087.62DA1%stevens@veloworks.com...
> On 09/12/2007 06:40 AM, in article
> thnfe31tc1t2c2ecsprmrqlials96s149t@4ax.com, "RonSonic"
> <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:01:45 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1189572016.311254.219950@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
>>>
>>> Youth development cyclocross teams are like youth outreach beer-drinking
>>> programs.
>>
>> That important?
>
>
> My club has two active juniors ... and we are sponsored by Uinta Brewing
> Company ...
>
> I love seeing kids wearing beer jerseys in Utah.
>
It's not cross, but pretty cool anyway
http://www.mcall.com/sports/outdoors/
Scroll down to video, below the Outdoor Calendar column for Tour de Brew
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 03:24:48
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: One way to support cyclocross
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In article <sd_Fi.95560$GO6.81287@newsfe21.lga >,
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote:
> "Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com> wrote in message
> news:C30D4087.62DA1%stevens@veloworks.com...
> > On 09/12/2007 06:40 AM, in article
> > thnfe31tc1t2c2ecsprmrqlials96s149t@4ax.com, "RonSonic"
> > <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:01:45 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <1189572016.311254.219950@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> http://americancycling.org/documents/x-cross_donation_flyer_BW.pdf
> >>>
> >>> Youth development cyclocross teams are like youth outreach beer-drinking
> >>> programs.
> >>
> >> That important?
> >
> >
> > My club has two active juniors ... and we are sponsored by Uinta Brewing
> > Company ...
> >
> > I love seeing kids wearing beer jerseys in Utah.
> >
>
> It's not cross, but pretty cool anyway
>
> http://www.mcall.com/sports/outdoors/
>
> Scroll down to video, below the Outdoor Calendar column for Tour de Brew
I, uh, gotta go to Pennsylvania.
Now.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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