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Date: 06 Mar 2007 00:19:47
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Paris Nice
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http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/UCI_gives_teams_permission_to_ride_article_111813.html
Unibet shafted!!
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 08:52:00
From:
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 1:06 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Does McDo ask the cow's opinion?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, that would be a moo point.
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 07:30:52
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 1:19 am, Dan Gregory
<dangreg...@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > wrote:
> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/UCI_gives_teams_permission_to_rid...
>
> Unibet shafted!!
There won't be any point to holding the "Race to the Sun" this year,
weather in Paris
this Sunday will be 16C and sunny.
-ilan
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 03:13:32
From: MMan
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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shane wrote:
> Im pretty new to the pro tour politics, but it seems now
> with this ruling that things are no different now than
> when the tours could pick whoever they wanted.
>
> It doesnt look like the pro tour does anything to protect the rights
> of the riders
> (eg. all of the drug scandals), and it hasnt been able to guarantee
> anything for teams.
>
> It dont even think the teams are for it. For some teams, it
> seems like they are being forced to compete in events they normally
> wouldnt
> compete in.
>
> What was the whole point of the Pro Tour again?
To funnel more money to the lawyers every side has to engage to
(pretend to) sort this all out.
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 18:33:29
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 1:13 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On 6, 3:28 pm, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
> wrote:
>
> > * benn.trov...@hotmail.com a =E9crit
>
> > > Does McDo ask the cow's opinion?
> > Davey thought everybody knew there was no meat in a McDonalds
> > Hamburger
>
> Yeah there is, that's why it's called Rat Macs.
See! Humans are carnivores!
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 20:28:46
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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In article <1173234809.253073.53640@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com >,
"SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com > wrote:
> On 6, 1:13 pm, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On 6, 3:28 pm, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > * benn.trov...@hotmail.com a écrit
> >
> > > > Does McDo ask the cow's opinion?
>
> > > Davey thought everybody knew there was no meat in a McDonalds
> > > Hamburger
> >
> > Yeah there is, that's why it's called Rat Macs.
>
> See! Humans are carnivores!
"Soylent Green is made from people!"
Ben Franklin
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 18:06:17
From: Bleet Norf
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Dan Gregory wrote:
> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/UCI_gives_teams_permission_to_ride_article_111813.html
>
>
> Unibet shafted!!
Pretty ironic that one of the ProTour teams (Lotto) is suing Unibet over
gambling rights in Belgium :)
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Date: 07 Mar 2007 12:24:40
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Bleet Norf wrote:
> Pretty ironic that one of the ProTour teams (Lotto) is suing Unibet over
> gambling rights in Belgium :)
And Unibet are suing ASO
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/07/07news2
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Date: 07 Mar 2007 22:12:14
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Dan Gregory wrote:
> Bleet Norf wrote:
>
>> Pretty ironic that one of the ProTour teams (Lotto) is suing Unibet
>> over gambling rights in Belgium :)
>
> And Unibet are suing ASO
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/07/07news2
Riddle me this: why is it that it takes a doper 8-9 months to get a
hearing, and it takes a team only 2 days to get a ruling on their issue?
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 13:51:33
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 7:47 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
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> Cool Jeff! You even got the part right about totally ignoring the riders.
>
Riders? What are they?
Jeff
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 21:45:01
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6 2007 13:51:33 -0800, "Jeff Jones" <drjones99@gmail.com > wrote:
>On 6, 7:47 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Cool Jeff! You even got the part right about totally ignoring the riders.
>>
>Riders? What are they?
It doesn't matter what they are, they don't have money.
Ron
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 13:13:05
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 3:28 pm, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> * benn.trov...@hotmail.com a =E9crit
>
> > Does McDo ask the cow's opinion?
>
> Dumbass
>
> Davey thought everybody knew there was no meat in a McDonalds
> Hamburger
>
> --
> Le vent =E0 Dos
> Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
> The News CNN and SKY won't show youhttp://azurservers.com:9080
Yeah there is, that's why it's called Rat Macs.
Bill C
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 12:06:24
From:
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 11:47 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1173207833.245288.195520@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.=
com,
> Jeff Jones <drjone...@gmail.com> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6, 6:32 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> The UCI dreamed up this scheme in which they would charge the teams
> >> in return for guaranteed entries in events. They could get the
> >> second- tier events on board by guaranteeing top team participation.
> >> But they couldn't square the circle with the first tier organizers;
> >> after all, who's going to turn down a TdF invite? TIOOYK...
>
> > Yes, it might have helped if the UCI had actually come to an agreement
> > with the big organisers *before* introducing the ProTour.
>
> > Dear organiser,
>
> > Hello, we're the UCI. You might remember us from races such as the
> > Eneco Tour. We're going to impose our own qualification system on your
> > event. We'd also like a cut of all your TV rights for the races that
> > you've spent 100 years building up. No, these points are not
> > negotiable.
>
> > and,
>
> > Dear team manager,
>
> > Hello, we're the UCI. We can guarantee you starts in all the major
> > tours, as long as you pay us a small fee. Although we haven't asked
> > them yet, the organisers all love the ProTour and will certainly agree
> > to abide by its rules. They will sign up for it very soon. We are sure
> > of this.
>
> > Dear cycling fan,
>
> > Hello, we're the UCI. We have decided to simplify the UCI ranking
> > system. Instead of being able to follow one ranking throughout the
> > season, we have split it into six bite-sized rankings spread across
> > the whole wide world.
>
> > etc.
>
> > Jeff
>
> Cool Jeff! You even got the part right about totally ignoring the riders.
>
Does McDo ask the cow's opinion?
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 21:28:41
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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* benn.trovato@hotmail.com a écrit
> Does McDo ask the cow's opinion?
Dumbass
Davey thought everybody knew there was no meat in a McDonalds
Hamburger
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
The News CNN and SKY won't show you
http://azurservers.com:9080
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 11:03:53
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 6:32 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> The UCI dreamed up this scheme in which they would charge the teams in
> return for guaranteed entries in events. They could get the second-
> tier events on board by guaranteeing top team participation. But they
> couldn't square the circle with the first tier organizers; after all,
> who's going to turn down a TdF invite? TIOOYK...
Yes, it might have helped if the UCI had actually come to an agreement
with the big organisers *before* introducing the ProTour.
Dear organiser,
Hello, we're the UCI. You might remember us from races such as the
Eneco Tour. We're going to impose our own qualification system on your
event. We'd also like a cut of all your TV rights for the races that
you've spent 100 years building up. No, these points are not
negotiable.
and,
Dear team manager,
Hello, we're the UCI. We can guarantee you starts in all the major
tours, as long as you pay us a small fee. Although we haven't asked
them yet, the organisers all love the ProTour and will certainly agree
to abide by its rules. They will sign up for it very soon. We are sure
of this.
Dear cycling fan,
Hello, we're the UCI. We have decided to simplify the UCI ranking
system. Instead of being able to follow one ranking throughout the
season, we have split it into six bite-sized rankings spread across
the whole wide world.
etc.
Jeff
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 20:47:11
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Dans le message de
news:1173207833.245288.195520@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com,
Jeff Jones <drjones99@gmail.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On 6, 6:32 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> The UCI dreamed up this scheme in which they would charge the teams
>> in return for guaranteed entries in events. They could get the
>> second- tier events on board by guaranteeing top team participation.
>> But they couldn't square the circle with the first tier organizers;
>> after all, who's going to turn down a TdF invite? TIOOYK...
>
> Yes, it might have helped if the UCI had actually come to an agreement
> with the big organisers *before* introducing the ProTour.
>
> Dear organiser,
>
> Hello, we're the UCI. You might remember us from races such as the
> Eneco Tour. We're going to impose our own qualification system on your
> event. We'd also like a cut of all your TV rights for the races that
> you've spent 100 years building up. No, these points are not
> negotiable.
>
> and,
>
> Dear team manager,
>
> Hello, we're the UCI. We can guarantee you starts in all the major
> tours, as long as you pay us a small fee. Although we haven't asked
> them yet, the organisers all love the ProTour and will certainly agree
> to abide by its rules. They will sign up for it very soon. We are sure
> of this.
>
> Dear cycling fan,
>
> Hello, we're the UCI. We have decided to simplify the UCI ranking
> system. Instead of being able to follow one ranking throughout the
> season, we have split it into six bite-sized rankings spread across
> the whole wide world.
>
> etc.
>
> Jeff
Cool Jeff! You even got the part right about totally ignoring the riders.
--
Sandy
Ce n'est pas que j'ai peur de la mort.
Je veux seulement ne pas être là
quand elle arrivera.
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 22:04:34
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Jeff Jones wrote:
>> Dear organiser,
>>
>> Hello, we're the UCI. You might remember us from races such as the
>> Eneco Tour. We're going to impose our own qualification system on your
>> event. We'd also like a cut of all your TV rights for the races that
>> you've spent 100 years building up. No, these points are not
>> negotiable.
>>
>> and,
>>
>> Dear team manager,
>>
>> Hello, we're the UCI. We can guarantee you starts in all the major
>> tours, as long as you pay us a small fee. Although we haven't asked
>> them yet, the organisers all love the ProTour and will certainly agree
>> to abide by its rules. They will sign up for it very soon. We are sure
>> of this.
>>
>> Dear cycling fan,
>>
>> Hello, we're the UCI. We have decided to simplify the UCI ranking
>> system. Instead of being able to follow one ranking throughout the
>> season, we have split it into six bite-sized rankings spread across
>> the whole wide world.
Sandy wrote:
> Cool Jeff! You even got the part right about totally ignoring the riders.
Dear rider,
Hello, we're the UCI. We have decided to screw you from both sides. We
trust you will enjoy the experience.
Yous sincerely,
UCI
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 10:32:30
From:
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6, 6:46 am, "shane" <jtorr_2...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> What was the whole point of the Pro Tour again?
About getting paid, what else?
The UCI dreamed up this scheme in which they would charge the teams in
return for guaranteed entries in events. They could get the second-
tier events on board by guaranteeing top team participation. But they
couldn't square the circle with the first tier organizers; after all,
who's going to turn down a TdF invite? TIOOYK...
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 13:52:28
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On 6 2007 10:32:30 -0800, benn.trovato@hotmail.com wrote:
>About getting paid, what else?
>The UCI dreamed up this scheme in which they would charge the teams in
>return for guaranteed entries in events. They could get the second-
>tier events on board by guaranteeing top team participation. But they
>couldn't square the circle with the first tier organizers; after all,
>who's going to turn down a TdF invite? TIOOYK...
Too many people trying to screw too many other people. Its not the
lack of ethics, its the unsightly disorder bordering on chaos that
will give professional bicycle racing a bad name. Afterall, almost
everyone accepts that when there is enough money, someone is being
screwed and someone is letting them do it for the money, so nothing
new there.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 21:17:05
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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* Curtis L. Russell <curtis@md-bicycling.org > a écrit
> On 6 2007 10:32:30 -0800, benn.trovato@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>About getting paid, what else?
>>The UCI dreamed up this scheme in which they would charge the teams in
>>return for guaranteed entries in events. They could get the second-
>>tier events on board by guaranteeing top team participation. But they
>>couldn't square the circle with the first tier organizers; after all,
>>who's going to turn down a TdF invite? TIOOYK...
>
> Too many people trying to screw too many other people. Its not the
> lack of ethics, its the unsightly disorder bordering on chaos that
> will give professional bicycle racing a bad name. Afterall, almost
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> everyone accepts that when there is enough money, someone is being
> screwed and someone is letting them do it for the money, so nothing
> new there.
>
Future tense inappropriate
Use Past Perfect
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
Bush's State of the Dis-Union Address Video:
http://azurservers.com:9080
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 15:21:45
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On Tue, 06 2007 21:17:05 +0100, Davey Crockett
<daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote:
>Use Past Perfect
Unintentional irony?
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 21:42:50
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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On Tue, 06 2007 15:21:45 -0500, Curtis L. Russell <curtis@md-bicycling.org >
wrote:
>On Tue, 06 2007 21:17:05 +0100, Davey Crockett
><daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote:
>
>>Use Past Perfect
>
>Unintentional irony?
"Irony is never an accident"
Ben Franklin
Ron
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Date: 07 Mar 2007 09:35:35
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
>>Unintentional irony?
RonSonic wrote:
> "Irony is never an accident"
But it can be unconscious.
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 06:46:26
From: shane
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Im pretty new to the pro tour politics, but it seems now
with this ruling that things are no different now than
when the tours could pick whoever they wanted.
It doesnt look like the pro tour does anything to protect the rights
of the riders
(eg. all of the drug scandals), and it hasnt been able to guarantee
anything for teams.
It dont even think the teams are for it. For some teams, it
seems like they are being forced to compete in events they normally
wouldnt
compete in.
What was the whole point of the Pro Tour again?
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 15:49:31
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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shane wrote:
> Im pretty new to the pro tour politics, but it seems now
> with this ruling that things are no different now than
> when the tours could pick whoever they wanted.
>
> It doesnt look like the pro tour does anything to protect the rights
> of the riders
> (eg. all of the drug scandals), and it hasnt been able to guarantee
> anything for teams.
>
> It dont even think the teams are for it. For some teams, it
> seems like they are being forced to compete in events they normally
> wouldnt
> compete in.
Bring back National Teams!!!
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 01:52:55
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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* Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > a écrit
> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/UCI_gives_teams_permission_to_ride_article_111813.html
>
> Unibet shafted!!
Fucking disgraceful
They should _never_ guaranteed _any_ squad a start
--
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Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
The News CNN and SKY won't show you
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 16:37:46
From: Geraard Spergen
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Dan Gregory wrote:
> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/UCI_gives_teams_permission_to_ride_article_111813.html
>
>
> Unibet shafted!!
***************************
18 of the ProTour teams, barring Astana and Unibet.com, are
automatically guaranteeed the right to take part in all the main races
organised by rebel organisers RCS, ASO and Unipublic
***************************
I don't understand what this means.
Are Astana and Unibet banned from rebel-organized races? Or are they
simply not guaranteed entry?
Are Astana and Unibet losing ProTour status?
Are the other 18 ProTour teams REQUIRED to ride the rebel-organized,
non-PT races?
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 20:52:46
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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"Geraard Spergen" <GSpergen@spammagnet.net > wrote in message
news:45ecb775$0$11051$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> Dan Gregory wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/UCI_gives_teams_permission_to_ride_article_111813.html
>> Unibet shafted!!
>
> ***************************
> 18 of the ProTour teams, barring Astana and Unibet.com, are automatically
> guaranteeed the right to take part in all the main races organised by
> rebel organisers RCS, ASO and Unipublic
> ***************************
>
> I don't understand what this means.
>
> Are Astana and Unibet banned from rebel-organized races? Or are they
> simply not guaranteed entry?
>
> Are Astana and Unibet losing ProTour status?
>
> Are the other 18 ProTour teams REQUIRED to ride the rebel-organized,
> non-PT races?
All this is pretty crazy isn't it? But I don't know what the UCI expected to
happen when they assumed that they could take all of the starting places in
all of the big races.
The "wildcards" apparently pay really big bucks to gain their positions in
the grand tours and part of the profit of these events comes from those
openings. When the UCI decided to fill those spots with mandatory starts any
idiot would have expected trouble.
No one with any intelligence has ever accused the UCI of making decisions
based on careful thought.
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 02:19:06
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Paris Nice
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Geraard Spergen wrote:
> Dan Gregory wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/UCI_gives_teams_permission_to_ride_article_111813.html
>>
>>
>> Unibet shafted!!
>
> ***************************
> 18 of the ProTour teams, barring Astana and Unibet.com, are
> automatically guaranteeed the right to take part in all the main races
> organised by rebel organisers RCS, ASO and Unipublic
> ***************************
>
> I don't understand what this means.
>
> Are Astana and Unibet banned from rebel-organized races? Or are they
> simply not guaranteed entry?
>
They are not guaranteed entry -- the race organizers have the right to exclude
them if including them will expose them to legal consequences.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2007/protoursolution07
Dan
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