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Date: 12 Mar 2007 16:38:32
From: RicodJour
Subject: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!
I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
job. Anyone know what really happened?
R
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Date: 15 Mar 2007 09:10:10
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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On 15, 8:32 am, "VeloJon" <jprest...@comcast.net > wrote:
> On 13, 3:15 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay, objection noted. But the promoter had an obligation to warn
> > people that they were stepping into the Lion's Den when they came to Philly.
No more than your parents were obligated to warn people that they had
accidentally created you.
> > The promoter and teams who race the Commerce Bank Philly race take
> > extreme precuations for the prevention of theft including the hiring of
> > a 24 hour security guard to watch over team vehicles and getting the
> > race hotel to allow them to take their bikes into their hotel room.
>
> > What was this Philly Phlyer promoter thinking? I bet you there were 20
> > thefts at this race we didn't even hear about.
There were probably a thousand instances of people giving other people
food, drink, loaning tools, etc., that we never heard about.
But, you've made your point - you're an idjit.
> This may not be adequate for any of you blaming the organizer but
> prominently displayed in the race package was the message:
I think you meant to say, "You may not be adequate for blaming the
organizer..." Adequate people wouldn't blame the organizer for off-
site occurrences that had nothing at all to do with the event.
> Please remember that all events are in urban areas:
> Keep your gear under watch at all times!
> Do not leave your bikes out on roof racks overnight!"
Thanks for posting that, VJ.
R
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Date: 15 Mar 2007 05:32:58
From: VeloJon
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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On 13, 3:15 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com > wrote:
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 2007 14:47:51 -0400, MagillaGorilla
> > <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even
> >>come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer?
>
> > We read them, we pass them, but we don't write them.
>
> > Curtis L. Russell
> > Odenton, MD (USA)
> > Just someone on two wheels...
>
> Okay, objection noted. But the promoter had an obligation to warn
> people that they were stepping into the Lion's Den when they came to Philly.
>
> The promoter and teams who race the Commerce Bank Philly race take
> extreme precuations for the prevention of theft including the hiring of
> a 24 hour security guard to watch over team vehicles and getting the
> race hotel to allow them to take their bikes into their hotel room.
>
> What was this Philly Phlyer promoter thinking? I bet you there were 20
> thefts at this race we didn't even hear about.
>
> Magilla
> Walt Security Consultant
This may not be adequate for any of you blaming the organizer but
prominently displayed in the race package was the message:
Please remember that all events are in urban areas:
Keep your gear under watch at all times!
Do not leave your bikes out on roof racks overnight!
"
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 18:00:34
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> >
> > Your logic is faulty. Most people don't look to a race organizer for
> > their off-site security. I also don't expect the promoter to provide
> > a full Wiki workup of a city, including restaurant ptomaine and
> > salmonella statistics. I don't expect them to point out spotty cell
> > phone coverage with admonitions to avoid breaking down in those areas,
> > mortality rates at local hospitals or anything other than to put on a
> > smoothly run race. They did. Well, except for the toilets.
>
>
> Then why do the promoters of Commerce Bank Philly provide security and
> deal with those issues? Answer: because it's not a cool thing when
> $4,000 bikes and $2,000 laptops get ripped off because people from out
> of town don't know the area has a high rate of car break-iins and theft.
Gee, Sparky, do you think that hiring security for parking lots and
riders just might have something to do with the fact that one is a
major (for the US) race with a lot of corporate sponsorship and a big
budget and the other is a collegiate race where there was _nothing_
for sale and no corporate presence at all?
Try to pause between thoughts so you don't strain something.
R
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 01:56:45
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote in message
news:1173834034.898244.206490@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Try to pause between thoughts so you don't strain something.
Can't strain what ain't there to begin with.
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 17:49:54
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> >
> > If Philly is notorious, why does anyone need a warning?
>
> Notorious for people who live there and know the area.
You have limited comprehension of commonplace words.
R
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 16:27:23
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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On 13, 11:39 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com > wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> >>Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
> >>responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
> >>person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
>
> > So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
> > all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
> > How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
> > restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
> > shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?
>
> > Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
> > sensible to say.
>
> > R
>
> The promoter should have warned everyone never to leave their bikes or
> valuables in their cars unattended anywhere near the city because it
> would likely be stolen.
>
> Philly and its close vicinity has a notorious property theft reputation
> that should have been conveyed to unwitting race participants.
If Philly is notorious, why does anyone need a warning?
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 19:44:32
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> On 13, 11:39 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>>RicodJour wrote:
>>
>>>MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>>>>Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
>>>>responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
>>>>person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
>>
>>>So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
>>>all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
>>>How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
>>>restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
>>>shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?
>>
>>>Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
>>>sensible to say.
>>
>>>R
>>
>>The promoter should have warned everyone never to leave their bikes or
>>valuables in their cars unattended anywhere near the city because it
>>would likely be stolen.
>>
>>Philly and its close vicinity has a notorious property theft reputation
>>that should have been conveyed to unwitting race participants.
>
>
> If Philly is notorious, why does anyone need a warning?
>
Notorious for people who live there and know the area.
Magilla
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 23:58:34
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Notorious for people who live there and know the area.
Dumbass,
Anyone that reads rbr knows all about people that live in Philly.
Thanks,
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 11:51:17
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> Notorious for people who live there and know the area.
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Anyone that reads rbr knows all about people that live in Philly.
And some commodities are available at very reasonable prices:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/msg/59288cc962bfede2
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 14:35:08
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> John Neil wrote:
>
> > Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
> > didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
> > The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
> > went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.
> >
> > Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
> > because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
> > astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
> > were surprised?
>
> Dear College,
>
> First of all, answer this question you st-aleck college student: Were
> you or were you not aware that theft and car break-ins in Philadelaphia
> and the vicinity were astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of
> the country? If the answer is no, then the warning would have gone a
> long way to preventing this theft.
Your logic is faulty. Most people don't look to a race organizer for
their off-site security. I also don't expect the promoter to provide
a full Wiki workup of a city, including restaurant ptomaine and
salmonella statistics. I don't expect them to point out spotty cell
phone coverage with admonitions to avoid breaking down in those areas,
mortality rates at local hospitals or anything other than to put on a
smoothly run race. They did. Well, except for the toilets.
Your "statistics" are faulty. I am sure that John is not aware that
the theft in Philadelphia is "astronomically greater than in 95% of
the rest of the country" as I'm sure that he has no idea WTF you
mean. It's impossible to parse that into something comprehensible.
In other words, you palm-jobbing sphincter swinger, Philadelphia's
_property_ crime rate is not "astronomically higher than 95% of the
country". Since John was not mugged, raped, murdered, etc.,
Philadelphia's woeful violent crime statistics don't apply. For that
he should count his blessings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Large_cities
Some people have enough knowledge to be dangerous. You have enough
knowledge to aspire to be an idiot one day. Try harder and stop
huffing.
R
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 19:48:41
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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RicodJour wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>John Neil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
>>>didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
>>>The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
>>>went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.
>>>
>>>Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
>>>because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
>>>astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
>>>were surprised?
>>
>>Dear College,
>>
>>First of all, answer this question you st-aleck college student: Were
>>you or were you not aware that theft and car break-ins in Philadelaphia
>>and the vicinity were astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of
>>the country? If the answer is no, then the warning would have gone a
>>long way to preventing this theft.
>
>
> Your logic is faulty. Most people don't look to a race organizer for
> their off-site security. I also don't expect the promoter to provide
> a full Wiki workup of a city, including restaurant ptomaine and
> salmonella statistics. I don't expect them to point out spotty cell
> phone coverage with admonitions to avoid breaking down in those areas,
> mortality rates at local hospitals or anything other than to put on a
> smoothly run race. They did. Well, except for the toilets.
Then why do the promoters of Commerce Bank Philly provide security and
deal with those issues? Answer: because it's not a cool thing when
$4,000 bikes and $2,000 laptops get ripped off because people from out
of town don't know the area has a high rate of car break-iins and theft.
At least put a warning on the flyer. Your comments about the
restaurents and hospital mortality rates is not on point.
Magilla
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 11:03:17
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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John Neil wrote:
> Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
> didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
> The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
> went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.
It _was_ an incredibly smoothly run event. Even the weather
cooperated.
> Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
> because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
> astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
> were surprised?
John, don't let the idjit bother you. The guy pops up when his meds
kick in or wear off, he makes a lot of noise to get some attention,
then he disappears for a while. Sad really.
I have an idea. Why not start your own restitution fund? People
could donate money through PayPal or whatever to help you guys get
back on your feet. I'd kick in a few bucks - not for the Ipod, but
for the team kits and such. Just a thought.
R
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 15:05:34
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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RicodJour wrote:
> John Neil wrote:
>
>>Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
>>didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
>>The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
>>went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.
>
>
> It _was_ an incredibly smoothly run event. Even the weather
> cooperated.
>
>
>>Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
>>because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
>>astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
>>were surprised?
>
>
> John, don't let the idjit bother you. The guy pops up when his meds
> kick in or wear off, he makes a lot of noise to get some attention,
> then he disappears for a while. Sad really.
>
> I have an idea. Why not start your own restitution fund? People
> could donate money through PayPal or whatever to help you guys get
> back on your feet. I'd kick in a few bucks - not for the Ipod, but
> for the team kits and such. Just a thought.
>
> R
>
Better question.... Why should everyone else's car insurance rates go up
because of this guy's stupidity for leaving valuables in his car
unattended while he went to dinner to talk about racing around a dirty
river?
If he starts that Paypal fund, I will tell Paypal to shut it down
because his stupidity constitutes fraud.
Magilla
Paypal SafeHarbor Customer Representative
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 10:15:50
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
> responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
> person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?
Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
sensible to say.
R
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 19:24:49
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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On 13 2007 10:15:50 -0700, "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com >
wrote:
>MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>> Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
>> responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
>> person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
>
>So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
>all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
>How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
>restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
>shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?
>
Maybe he should sue the promoter's heirs. Sue everyone listed on the
release as being unsueable. This is the US of A, right? Heck, sue me
too for talking about it.
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JT
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 14:39:25
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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RicodJour wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
>>responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
>>person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
>
>
> So you're suggesting what exactly? That the promoter should indemnify
> all race participants, and their guests, at any location and time?
> How does a race promoter's liability insurance cover what happens in a
> restaurant parking lot? I thought you were supposed to be some hot
> shot racer. How can you be so clueless about the logistics?
>
> Pardon me while I proceed to ignore you until you have something
> sensible to say.
>
> R
>
The promoter should have warned everyone never to leave their bikes or
valuables in their cars unattended anywhere near the city because it
would likely be stolen.
Philly and its close vicinity has a notorious property theft reputation
that should have been conveyed to unwitting race participants.
Magilla
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 09:17:32
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> The promoter is at least partially fault here for not providing security
> for the parking area since he should have known that theft was a problem
> in Philly. At the very least he should have warned everyone that theft
> was a high probability in Philly.
There was no "he" - the event was a collaboration of several area
schools and a combined event for two collegiate cycling conferences.
> I'm not sure why you are writing in here or talking like this is some
> kind of astounding thing to have happened (property theft in
> Philadelphia, PUH-LEEZ).
You are the densest asshole imaginable - an anal singularity. It's
amazing that anything at all escapes. Since there are obviously
emanations, I guess it should be no surprise that what comes out is
fecal in origin.
R
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 13:03:14
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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RicodJour wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>The promoter is at least partially fault here for not providing security
>>for the parking area since he should have known that theft was a problem
>>in Philly. At the very least he should have warned everyone that theft
>>was a high probability in Philly.
>
>
> There was no "he" - the event was a collaboration of several area
> schools and a combined event for two collegiate cycling conferences.
Hey Puerto RicanJew,
Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
Things don't just happen, fuckface.
Magilla
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 13:34:30
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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On Tue, 13 2007 13:03:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla
<MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
>Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
>responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
>person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
>
>Things don't just happen, fuckface.
Just a show of hands - who here has seen parking lot security for what
appears to have been a low to medium level event? I've been an
official at DC and Baltimore events and been on the support staff for
a couple more, and outside of the really high end events, I've never
seen any security for a parking lot. Hell, the budget gets eaten up
with the metal barriers, police on the course and medical and the
volunteer staffing barely covers the corners, so where is it coming
from anyway - telling the local Hells Angels they can beat up on some
bicyclists if they do security free?
That common up Phillie-New york way? The security, not the Hells
Angels beating up on bicyclists...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 14:47:51
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 13 2007 13:03:14 -0400, MagillaGorilla
> <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Someobody's signature is on the race permit, jackass. Who was
>>responsible for getting the liability insurance? There has to be a
>>person who did this. That person is the promoter by definition.
>>
>>Things don't just happen, fuckface.
>
>
> Just a show of hands - who here has seen parking lot security for what
> appears to have been a low to medium level event? I've been an
> official at DC and Baltimore events and been on the support staff for
> a couple more, and outside of the really high end events, I've never
> seen any security for a parking lot. Hell, the budget gets eaten up
> with the metal barriers, police on the course and medical and the
> volunteer staffing barely covers the corners, so where is it coming
> from anyway - telling the local Hells Angels they can beat up on some
> bicyclists if they do security free?
>
> That common up Phillie-New york way? The security, not the Hells
> Angels beating up on bicyclists...
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
If they didn't provide security then they should have put a warning on
the race flyer so at least people could have taken some precautions.
"WARNING: Philadelphia and the vicinity has a notrious reputation for
property theft and car break-ins. Do not leave valuables such as bikes
or laptops unattended or in your car."
-------
There, I just gave you the solution. Instead, the promoter was so
faggoty excited about going in circles around a filthy brown river, he
forgot to tell participants about the only things that really mattered.
All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even
come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer?
Magilla
Just someone with a large banana
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 15:01:08
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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On Tue, 13 2007 14:47:51 -0400, MagillaGorilla
<MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
>All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even
>come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer?
We read them, we pass them, but we don't write them.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 15:15:17
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On Tue, 13 2007 14:47:51 -0400, MagillaGorilla
> <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>All that experience officiating bike races, Curtis, and you can't even
>>come up with a simple solution like a warning on the race flyer?
>
>
> We read them, we pass them, but we don't write them.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
Okay, objection noted. But the promoter had an obligation to warn
people that they were stepping into the Lion's Den when they came to Philly.
The promoter and teams who race the Commerce Bank Philly race take
extreme precuations for the prevention of theft including the hiring of
a 24 hour security guard to watch over team vehicles and getting the
race hotel to allow them to take their bikes into their hotel room.
What was this Philly Phlyer promoter thinking? I bet you there were 20
thefts at this race we didn't even hear about.
Magilla
Walt Security Consultant
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 08:09:40
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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John Neil wrote:
> My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit detail
> here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
> claims, etc.
>
> They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much more
> than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
> They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
> retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves. It
> was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
> We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
> car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
> (though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.
>
> They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
> shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.
>
> They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
> helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.
>
> They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation of
> cycling tools and spare parts, gone.
>
> We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys, etc.
> That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
> Sunday.
>
> We are both investigating options with our insurance companies. Honestly,
> if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
> wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
> expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over 120
> individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags, and a
> red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or if
> you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
> own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower ion Township"
> authorities.
John Neil wrote:
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
> > off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
> > this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
> > bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
> > the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
> > job. Anyone know what really happened?
> >
> >
> And the only person who "knew" where we were going was the hott chica from
> one of the host schools who directed me to that place for dinner. I don't
> think it was an inside job, so please don't start rumors about stuff like
> that within the ECCC or ACCC cycling communities.
Hey John. I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I had no intention
of starting a rumor, and I apologize if that's how it came across.
I'd heard the rumor that UVA's van had been broken into and they'd
lost the bikes and everything and that's why I was asking what really
happened. Thanks for setting the record straight.
I've been ripped off several times, once losing a shop full of tools,
and I know how difficult it is to even list everything. I hope your
insurance company comes through for you. Good luck.
R
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 11:43:45
From: John Neil
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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Makes me wonder how rumors even get started. I don't even have a van. Our
teammate with the van couldn't attend this weekend.
Everything will work out one way or another.
JN
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote in message
news:1173798580.787409.168440@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> John Neil wrote:
>> My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit
>> detail
>> here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
>> claims, etc.
>>
>> They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much
>> more
>> than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
>> They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
>> retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves.
>> It
>> was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
>> We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
>> car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
>> (though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.
>>
>> They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
>> shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.
>>
>> They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
>> helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.
>>
>> They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation
>> of
>> cycling tools and spare parts, gone.
>>
>> We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys,
>> etc.
>> That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
>> Sunday.
>>
>> We are both investigating options with our insurance companies.
>> Honestly,
>> if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
>> wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
>> expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over
>> 120
>> individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags,
>> and a
>> red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or
>> if
>> you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
>> own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower ion
>> Township"
>> authorities.
>
> John Neil wrote:
>> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>> >
>> > I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
>> > off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
>> > this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
>> > bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
>> > the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
>> > job. Anyone know what really happened?
>> >
>> >
>> And the only person who "knew" where we were going was the hott chica
>> from
>> one of the host schools who directed me to that place for dinner. I
>> don't
>> think it was an inside job, so please don't start rumors about stuff like
>> that within the ECCC or ACCC cycling communities.
>
> Hey John. I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. I had no intention
> of starting a rumor, and I apologize if that's how it came across.
> I'd heard the rumor that UVA's van had been broken into and they'd
> lost the bikes and everything and that's why I was asking what really
> happened. Thanks for setting the record straight.
>
> I've been ripped off several times, once losing a shop full of tools,
> and I know how difficult it is to even list everything. I hope your
> insurance company comes through for you. Good luck.
>
> R
>
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 10:02:06
From: John Neil
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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And the only person who "knew" where we were going was the hott chica from
one of the host schools who directed me to that place for dinner. I don't
think it was an inside job, so please don't start rumors about stuff like
that within the ECCC or ACCC cycling communities.
JN
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote in message
news:1173742712.054362.228640@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
> time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
> get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!
>
> I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
> off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
> this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
> bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
> the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
> job. Anyone know what really happened?
>
> R
>
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 09:59:40
From: John Neil
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
|
My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit detail
here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
claims, etc.
They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much more
than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves. It
was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
(though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.
They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.
They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.
They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation of
cycling tools and spare parts, gone.
We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys, etc.
That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
Sunday.
We are both investigating options with our insurance companies. Honestly,
if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over 120
individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags, and a
red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or if
you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower ion Township"
authorities.
JN
"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote in message
news:1173742712.054362.228640@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
> time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
> get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!
>
> I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
> off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
> this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
> bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
> the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
> job. Anyone know what really happened?
>
> R
>
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 19:03:50
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 12:02:33
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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The promoter is at least partially fault here for not providing security
for the parking area since he should have known that theft was a problem
in Philly. At the very least he should have warned everyone that theft
was a high probability in Philly.
I'm not sure why you are writing in here or talking like this is some
kind of astounding thing to have happened (property theft in
Philadelphia, PUH-LEEZ).
Magilla
John Neil wrote:
> My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit detail
> here, because of investigations surrounding the police report, insurance
> claims, etc.
>
> They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much more
> than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these days?
> They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another $3.5k
> retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike thieves. It
> was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of town plates.
> We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't come back to the
> car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags were in plain view
> (though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy target.
>
> They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
> shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.
>
> They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
> helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.
>
> They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation of
> cycling tools and spare parts, gone.
>
> We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys, etc.
> That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show for
> Sunday.
>
> We are both investigating options with our insurance companies. Honestly,
> if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack and all the
> wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier (though more
> expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my company had over 120
> individual line items. So if anybody sees any duffel bags, book bags, and a
> red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west philly, drop me a line. Or if
> you see anybody there wearing UVA kit, other than Bridge (one of our very
> own graduates, turned bike messenger there) call the "Lower ion Township"
> authorities.
>
> JN
>
>
>
> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1173742712.054362.228640@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>
>>I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
>>time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
>>get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!
>>
>>I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
>>off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
>>this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
>>bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
>>the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
>>job. Anyone know what really happened?
>>
>>R
>>
>
>
>
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 13:15:20
From: John Neil
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
|
Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.
Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
were surprised?
jn
"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:dcCdnaE_r6aBVmvYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@ptd.net...
> The promoter is at least partially fault here for not providing security
> for the parking area since he should have known that theft was a problem
> in Philly. At the very least he should have warned everyone that theft
> was a high probability in Philly.
>
> I'm not sure why you are writing in here or talking like this is some kind
> of astounding thing to have happened (property theft in Philadelphia,
> PUH-LEEZ).
>
> Magilla
>
>
>
> John Neil wrote:
>> My car was the one broken into at dinner. I won't go into explicit
>> detail here, because of investigations surrounding the police report,
>> insurance claims, etc.
>>
>> They took no bikes - which was good, because they were certainly much
>> more than $2000 each. I mean really, what does a Madone 5.9SL run these
>> days? They took none of the race wheels in the back seat, about another
>> $3.5k retail. So no, it wasn't an inside job, and they weren't bike
>> thieves. It was a car in a parking lot with bikes on the roof and out of
>> town plates. We were at a restaurant for dinner, so probably wouldn't
>> come back to the car for awhile. It was a station wagon, so our bags
>> were in plain view (though none of the valuables were) so we were an easy
>> target.
>>
>> They took my passengers bags: laptop, ipod, textbooks, checkbook, bike
>> shoes, helmet, glasses, team clothing, powertap, tools, etc.
>>
>> They got my bags: dslr camera kit, ipod, books, checkbook, bike shoes,
>> helmet, glasses, team clothing, etc.
>>
>> They got my toolbox, which ticks me off the most. Years of accumulation
>> of cycling tools and spare parts, gone.
>>
>> We couldn't race the next day, since we had no shoes, helmet, jerseys,
>> etc. That's why the woman who won the A race on Saturday was a no-show
>> for Sunday.
>>
>> We are both investigating options with our insurance companies.
>> Honestly, if they'd just stolen the bikes off of the (locked) roof rack
>> and all the wheels out of the back seat, it would have been far easier
>> (though more expensive) to replace. The inventory list I sent to my
>> company had over 120 individual line items. So if anybody sees any
>> duffel bags, book bags, and a red craftsman toolbox in a dumpster in west
>> philly, drop me a line. Or if you see anybody there wearing UVA kit,
>> other than Bridge (one of our very own graduates, turned bike messenger
>> there) call the "Lower ion Township" authorities.
>>
>> JN
>>
>>
>>
>> "RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1173742712.054362.228640@q40g2000cwq.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>I was at the races this weekend in Philadelphia. Excellent
>>>time...unless you needed to use one of the 6 porta-potties that didn't
>>>get emptied for the entire weekend. Blecch!
>>>
>>>I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
>>>off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
>>>this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
>>>bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
>>>the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
>>>job. Anyone know what really happened?
>>>
>>>R
>>>
>>
>>
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 15:01:20
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
|
John Neil wrote:
> Look who's the organ donor now? Read the first sentence. "At dinner." It
> didn't happen at the race. The promoter isn't responsible in the least.
> The only thing the promoters are at fault for is putting on a HUGE race that
> went off without a hitch. It did not happen at the race.
>
> Are you kidding me? The OP was just trying to express some compassion
> because he heard something bad happened to someone. I didn't say I was
> astonished - and it was my own car. Did either the OP or I act as if we
> were surprised?
>
> jn
>
Dear College,
First of all, answer this question you st-aleck college student: Were
you or were you not aware that theft and car break-ins in Philadelaphia
and the vicinity were astronomically greater than in 95% of the rest of
the country? If the answer is no, then the warning would have gone a
long way to preventing this theft.
And if the answer is yes, then why the fuck did you leave your valuables
in your car and your bike on your roof while you ate dinner and talked
about "racing" around a dirty river? You don't think a pair of bolt
cutters would cut through that cable that secured your bikes? The only
reason your bikes weren't stolen is because someone probably interrupted
the crime or the thieves didn't have anywhere to put the bikes, or they
were on foot and couldn't ride while carrying the rest of the stuff they
ripped off from you.
So no, I'm not "kidding you." Your insurance agent should give you a
lecture about what a jackass you are for using your car as a Macy's
storefront window display.
Put that on your resumé, College Boy.
Magilla
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 10:38:07
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Philly Phlyer - bikes ripped off?
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RicodJour wrote:
> I heard a rumor that the University of Virginia's bikes were ripped
> off Saturday night and that's whey they weren't racing Sunday. I have
> this sick feeling that there's either some crack head selling $2000
> bikes on a street corner for $20 so he can score, or that someone knew
> the value of the bikes and where they parked the vehicle - semi-inside
> job. Anyone know what really happened?
Those Dutch bike thieves are going international.
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