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Date: 30 Jul 2007 21:59:05
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
involved with Operation Pureto.
Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
puerto files.
He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
UCI last year.
Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
<http://www.zdf.de/ZDFsport/inhalt/25/0,5676,5579481,00.html >
Strange that Velonews etc hasn't run the story yet, it's all over
Europe.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 06:51:22
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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On Jul 31, 8:15 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen <reippu...@gmail.com >
wrote:
>
> Won't happen. I'm just pissed with the double standarts in cycling en
> general and i rbr in particular.
Fighting objectionable double standards with your own double
standards. A time honored tradition.
R
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 05:29:07
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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In article
<1185889882.954613.74020@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 31, 8:15 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen <reippu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Won't happen. I'm just pissed with the double standarts in cycling en
> > general and i rbr in particular.
>
> Fighting objectionable double standards with your own double
> standards. A time honored tradition.
I redouble your double standard.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 10:14:01
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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RicodJour wrote:
>> Fighting objectionable double standards with your own double
>> standards. A time honored tradition.
Michael Press wrote:
> I redouble your double standard.
I'll raise you a hypocrit(e).
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 05:15:30
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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On Jul 31, 6:09 am, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 30, 4:13 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen <reippu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 30 Jul., 22:39, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 30, 1:59 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
> > > > Strange that Velonews etc hasn't run the story yet, it's all over
> > > > Europe.
>
> > > Check again. They're running it.
>
> > > Bret
>
> > their late
>
> Whatever. I'm really enjoying your "Clinton did it first" campaign to
> resurrect the chicken's reputation. It's working. Keep it up just a
> little longer and he'll be back in yellow.
>
> Bret
Won't happen. I'm just pissed with the double standarts in cycling en
general and i rbr in particular.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 04:09:07
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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On Jul 30, 4:13 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen <reippu...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On 30 Jul., 22:39, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 30, 1:59 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
> > > Strange that Velonews etc hasn't run the story yet, it's all over
> > > Europe.
>
> > Check again. They're running it.
>
> > Bret
>
> their late
Whatever. I'm really enjoying your "Clinton did it first" campaign to
resurrect the chicken's reputation. It's working. Keep it up just a
little longer and he'll be back in yellow.
Bret
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 10:49:39
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Bret wrote:
> Whatever. I'm really enjoying your "Clinton did it first" campaign to
> resurrect the chicken's reputation. It's working. Keep it up just a
> little longer and he'll be back in yellow.
For a seond I thought you said back in blue.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 00:42:38
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>
> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. A
>
HMG, human menopause gonadotrophin, extracted from the urine of
menopausal women (the next doping fad!). Apparently taken to stimulate
testosterone production, but I don't think so:
"HMG-lepori is indicated in the treatment of male functional sterility
due to insufficient pituitary secretion or lack of testicular response
to the normal pituitary stimulus. Oligospermia, asthenospermia,
oligoasthenospermia, azoospermia through pituitary failure, functional
hypogonadism, functional eunuchoidism and cryptorchidism.
...
In men it directly stimulates the germinative epithelium of the
testicle, promoting the spermatogenic maturation[.]"
-- http://www.angelini.it/public/schedepharma/hmg-lepori.htm
Fertility meds. Maybe he was trying to have a baby or 10.
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 15:38:48
From:
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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On Jul 30, 3:59 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>
> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
> involved with Operation Pureto.
>
> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
> puerto files.
>
> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
> UCI last year.
>
> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
>
> <http://www.zdf.de/ZDFsport/inhalt/25/0,5676,5579481,00.html>
>
> Strange that Velonews etc hasn't run the story yet, it's all over
> Europe.
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
Excellent
That will be an arrow to the heart. Cycling is desparate to blame the
drug culture on "the old riders" and everything on TV was aimed at
telling us the young generation is doing it clean.
Utter utter crap. Rasmussen must be spitting blood seeing a fellow
doper on the podium with the Yellow Jersey
What was also funny was showing the riders with their kids and
interviewing their wives! Surely a man with kids and a beautiful and
supportive wife would not dope?
Well Floyd has a lovely family.
You cannot spin it......If you were in the top 20 at the TdF you know
all about doping.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 01:14:39
From: alex beascoechea
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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<anton2468@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1185835128.052744.280600@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 30, 3:59 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>>
>> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
>> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
>> involved with Operation Pureto.
>>
>> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
>> puerto files.
>>
>> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
>> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
>> UCI last year.
>>
German ZDF has decided not to broadcast the TdF because they have realized
that is much more profitable to talk about doping than to show a race in
which there are almost no germans lefts in the top 20 (and not exacty for
being clean, but just becuse they have been cleaned up by the events).
Yesterday, they had Jaeske and they were having great fun with him. Nothing
serious that this guy had done!
The whole thing about bribing the guardia civil is almost funny. Whatever
files Werner Franke may have, have been collected by the Guardia Civil -
they provided them to the judge...
It must have been the judge or the sport authorities the ones that decided
to send whatever is available to Mr. Franke's source (the german judicial
authorities that are investigating the german connection). So the worst that
may have happened is that two sets do not match. I wonder what made
Contador so important for all this convolution. BTW: he was already excluded
from the TdF last year for this type of allegations....
The whole possibility of the UCI bribing anybody for someone to delete stuff
from their list they received and published is almost a comic combination.
Why would not the delete the stuff themselves.
BTW: In following article does not add half of the sensation attributed to
Dr. Werner Franke mentioned in your mail. So what are you really looking
for?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1873402/posts
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 08:26:32
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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alex beascoechea <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com > wrote:
> German ZDF has decided not to broadcast the TdF because they have realized
> that is much more profitable to talk about doping than to show a race in
> which there are almost no germans lefts in the top 20 (and not exacty for
> being clean, but just becuse they have been cleaned up by the events).
ZDF and ARD are not a comercial TV stations.
W.Franke has access to the puerto files because he has been aiding
guarda civil as an expert in operation puerto.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 23:56:02
From: alex beascoechea
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:o913o4-sa4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> alex beascoechea <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> German ZDF has decided not to broadcast the TdF because they have
>> realized
>> that is much more profitable to talk about doping than to show a race in
>> which there are almost no germans lefts in the top 20 (and not exacty for
>> being clean, but just becuse they have been cleaned up by the events).
>
> ZDF and ARD are not a comercial TV stations.
>
> W.Franke has access to the puerto files because he has been aiding
> guarda civil as an expert in operation puerto.
>
Dr.Franke is more of a freak taht I thought.
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap-contador-doping&prov=ap&type=lgns
[......]
Franke apparently has acquired other documents, saying only he got them "in
my briefcase" while Spanish police weren't watching.
"I have the things in front of me; I can directly decipher them, what
(drugs) were taken, because I also am in possession of the records of the
house search of this Dr. Fuentes," Franke said.
[......]
Does this mean he had stolen material from the investigation?
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 23:31:39
From: alex beascoechea
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:o913o4-sa4.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> alex beascoechea <alex_beascoechea@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> German ZDF has decided not to broadcast the TdF because they have
>> realized
>> that is much more profitable to talk about doping than to show a race in
>> which there are almost no germans lefts in the top 20 (and not exacty for
>> being clean, but just becuse they have been cleaned up by the events).
>
> ZDF and ARD are not a comercial TV stations.
I know. I pay for the shit every 3 months. It brings them atttention that
the woudl not normally get and thefore they profit from the situation.
>
> W.Franke has access to the puerto files because he has been aiding
> guarda civil as an expert in operation puerto.
He says he got the stuff from unidentify sources.
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
Principia Rex SX & Campagnolo Record
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 22:13:45
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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On 30 Jul., 22:39, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 30, 1:59 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
> > Strange that Velonews etc hasn't run the story yet, it's all over
> > Europe.
>
> Check again. They're running it.
>
> Bret
their late
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 20:39:50
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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On Jul 30, 1:59 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> Strange that Velonews etc hasn't run the story yet, it's all over
> Europe.
Check again. They're running it.
Bret
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 20:39:06
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:9hs1o4-bt3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>
> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
> involved with Operation Pureto.
>
> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
> puerto files.
>
> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
> UCI last year.
>
> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
>
> <http://www.zdf.de/ZDFsport/inhalt/25/0,5676,5579481,00.html>
Auf English, courtesy babelfish...
The Spanish wheel sportsman Alberto Contador as the winner of the route de
France to explain, professor Werner Franke is "the largest swindle of sport
history" after the words of Doping prosecutor. Franke attacked in the Second
Channel of German Television morning magazine Contador and the Spanish law
openly.
"this Mr. Contador is several times led in the lists, also in the own
discovery lists of the Guardia civil", said Franke. "then it has a contract
however in the recent time to a certain extent given from the international
cycle racing union UCI and the Spanish judicial authorities, those all this
to have hushed up and simply lied."
Franke continued to explain: "I have the things before me, I can it directly
decipher, which means were taken. Because I am also in the possession of
house search minutes of this Dr. Fuentes." Contador took insulin
preparations, furthermore HMG Lepori, a follicle stimulating preparation for
increasing the body-own Testosteronsynthese, "and one this Asthmamittel
Dopingpraeparate named TGN, that is the abbreviation for Trigon. That is, we
have here a fully logged Doping document."
Spain afforded here "the largest thing of all times", to avowed Franke. He
succeeded in bringing itself into the possession of the documents. "these
findings landed stop in my brief case, happened sometimes, and I them on
then equal the Federal Criminal Investigation Office passed". This "also
world-wide corrupt situation within different ranges" is acutely covered in
highest circles "at least in Spain", criticized Franke.
This answers my other question.
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 22:46:40
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Jim Flom wrote:
> Contador took insulin preparations, furthermore HMG Lepori, a follicle
> stimulating preparation
That sounds more like Mayo. Now I'm getting suspicious about Thomas Dekker
and some of the other hairier members of the peloton.
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Date: 30 Jul 2007 20:33:55
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:9hs1o4-bt3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>
> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
> involved with Operation Pureto.
>
> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
> puerto files.
>
> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
> UCI last year.
>
> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
What's TNG?
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 08:53:10
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Jim Flom <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net > wrote:
> What's TNG?
Short for "Trigon" an astmatic product.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 09:42:22
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen<spam@reippuert.dk > writes:
> "Trigon" an astmatic product.
Bullshit
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 10:20:23
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote:
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen<spam@reippuert.dk> writes:
> > "Trigon" an astmatic product.
> Bullshit
No need to bullshit me, i'm just quoting directly frm Dr.Werner
Franke's apperance on ZDF yesterday.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 05:54:28
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net > writes:
> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
> news:9hs1o4-bt3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>>
>> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
>> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
>> involved with Operation Pureto.
>>
>> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
>> puerto files.
>>
>> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
>> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
>> UCI last year.
>>
>> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
>> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
>> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
>
> What's TNG?
>
>
Nitroglycerin
CITE
Circulatory variables and arterial partial pressure for oxygen (PaO2)
were compared in 91 anesthetized patients who received infusions of
either nitroglycerin (TNG) or nitroprusside (SNP) to induce
hypotension for the purpose of decreasing intraoperative blood
loss. At comparable systolic arterial blood pressures, the mean and
diastolic arterial blood pressures were significantly higher with
TNG. Electrocardiographic changes suggestive of ischemia occurred in
18 patients who received SNP, whereas none were detected in patients
given TNG. Both drugs significantly decreased PaO2 and rate-pressure
product, an indirect index of myocardial oxygen consumption. No
untoward response to TNG occurred. No clinical evidence of myocardial
infarction, renal damage, or cerebral vascular complication was
encountered in the postoperative period in any patient. Thus, TNG is
an effective hypotensive drug that may prove superior to currently
available agents.
/CITE
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 10:48:51
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Davey Crockett wrote:
> Nitroglycerin
Thats so retro it has to be cool (and make Davey feel nostalgic ?).
http://syntheticenvironment.blogspot.com/2007/07/top-5-old-tour-de-france-drugs.html
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 04:13:21
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote in message
news:877ioh8byj.fsf@azurservers.com...
> "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> writes:
>
>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
>> news:9hs1o4-bt3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>>>
>>> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
>>> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
>>> involved with Operation Pureto.
>>>
>>> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
>>> puerto files.
>>>
>>> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
>>> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
>>> UCI last year.
>>>
>>> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
>>> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
>>> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
>>
>> What's TNG?
>>
>>
>
> Nitroglycerin
>
> CITE
> Circulatory variables and arterial partial pressure for oxygen (PaO2)
> were compared in 91 anesthetized patients who received infusions of
> either nitroglycerin (TNG) or nitroprusside (SNP) to induce
> hypotension for the purpose of decreasing intraoperative blood
> loss. At comparable systolic arterial blood pressures, the mean and
> diastolic arterial blood pressures were significantly higher with
> TNG. Electrocardiographic changes suggestive of ischemia occurred in
> 18 patients who received SNP, whereas none were detected in patients
> given TNG. Both drugs significantly decreased PaO2 and rate-pressure
> product, an indirect index of myocardial oxygen consumption. No
> untoward response to TNG occurred. No clinical evidence of myocardial
> infarction, renal damage, or cerebral vascular complication was
> encountered in the postoperative period in any patient. Thus, TNG is
> an effective hypotensive drug that may prove superior to currently
> available agents.
> /CITE
So if I were blood doping, and didn't want to suffer a (nother) stroke, TNG
might help me keep my blood pressure low?
Blundering forward,
JF
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 18:55:45
From: Stu Fleming
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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Jim Flom wrote:
> So if I were blood doping, and didn't want to suffer a (nother) stroke, TNG
> might help me keep my blood pressure low?
"The peloton literally exploded..."
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 06:59:34
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net > writes:
> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
> news:877ioh8byj.fsf@azurservers.com...
>> "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> writes:
>>
>>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
>>> news:9hs1o4-bt3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>>> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>>>>
>>>> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
>>>> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
>>>> involved with Operation Pureto.
>>>>
>>>> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
>>>> puerto files.
>>>>
>>>> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
>>>> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
>>>> UCI last year.
>>>>
>>>> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
>>>> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
>>>> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
>>>
>>> What's TNG?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nitroglycerin
>>
>> CITE
>> Circulatory variables and arterial partial pressure for oxygen (PaO2)
>> were compared in 91 anesthetized patients who received infusions of
>> either nitroglycerin (TNG) or nitroprusside (SNP) to induce
>> hypotension for the purpose of decreasing intraoperative blood
>> loss. At comparable systolic arterial blood pressures, the mean and
>> diastolic arterial blood pressures were significantly higher with
>> TNG. Electrocardiographic changes suggestive of ischemia occurred in
>> 18 patients who received SNP, whereas none were detected in patients
>> given TNG. Both drugs significantly decreased PaO2 and rate-pressure
>> product, an indirect index of myocardial oxygen consumption. No
>> untoward response to TNG occurred. No clinical evidence of myocardial
>> infarction, renal damage, or cerebral vascular complication was
>> encountered in the postoperative period in any patient. Thus, TNG is
>> an effective hypotensive drug that may prove superior to currently
>> available agents.
>> /CITE
>
> So if I were blood doping, and didn't want to suffer a (nother) stroke, TNG
> might help me keep my blood pressure low?
>
> Blundering forward,
>
> JF
Additionally, you might like to note that Contdor had had a brain
operation in early 2004 and this might account for the TNG use
Maybe he could even have got a Therapeutic Use Exemption for it?
On the other hand he may be foolish to be subjecting his body to the
stress of high level competition if there is a possibility of
complications arising from the first stage of the 2004 Tour of
Asturias, where he had a brain hemorrhage. Although surgery to remove
the blood clot was successful, it looked as if he might never ride
professionally again.
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 08:21:09
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:59:34 +0200, Davey Crockett
<d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote:
>"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> writes:
>
>> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>> news:877ioh8byj.fsf@azurservers.com...
>>> "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
>>>> news:9hs1o4-bt3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>>>> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
>>>>> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
>>>>> involved with Operation Pureto.
>>>>>
>>>>> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
>>>>> puerto files.
>>>>>
>>>>> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
>>>>> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
>>>>> UCI last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
>>>>> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
>>>>> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
>>>>
>>>> What's TNG?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nitroglycerin
>>>
>>> CITE
>>> Circulatory variables and arterial partial pressure for oxygen (PaO2)
>>> were compared in 91 anesthetized patients who received infusions of
>>> either nitroglycerin (TNG) or nitroprusside (SNP) to induce
>>> hypotension for the purpose of decreasing intraoperative blood
>>> loss. At comparable systolic arterial blood pressures, the mean and
>>> diastolic arterial blood pressures were significantly higher with
>>> TNG. Electrocardiographic changes suggestive of ischemia occurred in
>>> 18 patients who received SNP, whereas none were detected in patients
>>> given TNG. Both drugs significantly decreased PaO2 and rate-pressure
>>> product, an indirect index of myocardial oxygen consumption. No
>>> untoward response to TNG occurred. No clinical evidence of myocardial
>>> infarction, renal damage, or cerebral vascular complication was
>>> encountered in the postoperative period in any patient. Thus, TNG is
>>> an effective hypotensive drug that may prove superior to currently
>>> available agents.
>>> /CITE
>>
>> So if I were blood doping, and didn't want to suffer a (nother) stroke, TNG
>> might help me keep my blood pressure low?
>>
>> Blundering forward,
>>
>> JF
>
>Additionally, you might like to note that Contdor had had a brain
>operation in early 2004 and this might account for the TNG use
>
>Maybe he could even have got a Therapeutic Use Exemption for it?
>
>On the other hand he may be foolish to be subjecting his body to the
>stress of high level competition if there is a possibility of
>complications arising from the first stage of the 2004 Tour of
>Asturias, where he had a brain hemorrhage. Although surgery to remove
>the blood clot was successful, it looked as if he might never ride
>professionally again.
As if brain damage could harm a cyclist.
Ron
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 06:43:39
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Pressure on Valverde and Contador increases
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"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net > writes:
> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
> news:877ioh8byj.fsf@azurservers.com...
>> "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> writes:
>>
>>> "Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk> wrote in message
>>> news:9hs1o4-bt3.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>>>> The pressure ion valverde and Contador is increasing.
>>>>
>>>> Today Dr. Werner Franke appered on Germen ZDF where he claims that
>>>> Guarda civil indeed has evindence that Valverde and Contador is
>>>> involved with Operation Pureto.
>>>>
>>>> Werner Franke is one of the few people who has access to the operation
>>>> puerto files.
>>>>
>>>> He belives that either UCI or the spanish federation briebed Gurada
>>>> Civil to delete Cantador and Valverdes names from the files recived by
>>>> UCI last year.
>>>>
>>>> Franke mentions the following drugs among those usedes intensiveliy by
>>>> Contador: Insulin, HMG Lepori, TNG. Apperantly there a no blod bags -
>>>> maby why Contador smiles when he's offering to do a DNA test.
>>>
>>> What's TNG?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nitroglycerin
>>
>> CITE
>> Circulatory variables and arterial partial pressure for oxygen (PaO2)
>> were compared in 91 anesthetized patients who received infusions of
>> either nitroglycerin (TNG) or nitroprusside (SNP) to induce
>> hypotension for the purpose of decreasing intraoperative blood
>> loss. At comparable systolic arterial blood pressures, the mean and
>> diastolic arterial blood pressures were significantly higher with
>> TNG. Electrocardiographic changes suggestive of ischemia occurred in
>> 18 patients who received SNP, whereas none were detected in patients
>> given TNG. Both drugs significantly decreased PaO2 and rate-pressure
>> product, an indirect index of myocardial oxygen consumption. No
>> untoward response to TNG occurred. No clinical evidence of myocardial
>> infarction, renal damage, or cerebral vascular complication was
>> encountered in the postoperative period in any patient. Thus, TNG is
>> an effective hypotensive drug that may prove superior to currently
>> available agents.
>> /CITE
>
> So if I were blood doping, and didn't want to suffer a (nother) stroke, TNG
> might help me keep my blood pressure low?
>
> Blundering forward,
>
> JF
I believe that's the general idea Jim
I really am not sure but believe it to be an "insurance" type drug to
counteract possible deleterial effects caused by other substances
--
Impeach Bush and his Henchmen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfzqulvhlQ
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