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Date: 19 May 2007 18:49:21
From: CowPunk
Subject: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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A thought on the Landis hearing and Lemond....
Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
Max. These guys are professional athletes. Of course they dope. If
they don't, their fallback career is the takeout window at Burger
King. See what happens when you send pros to the olymipics....
And we hold such high expectations of them when it comes to ethics and
staying clean....
Seems to me, the fans are the ones with the problem, not the
athletes. They are only doing what we are pressuring them to do with
high dollar contracts and sponsorships.
Also, wasn't it Lemond who started this trend of high dollar
contracts? Doping in cycling is his fault. If he hadn't been so
greedy, maybe the incentive to dope wouldn't be there?
Look at CritPro. He's over 30, no pro contract, and it's too late to
go to college and actually make a career for himself.
Look at NASCAR. Do you think pro drivers do EPO or roids? of course
they are.
Look at the USGA. How many pro golfers do you think are on
something? of course they are.
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Date: 20 May 2007 12:51:04
From: CowPunk
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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People who graduate from college become sheeple and don't realize that
you have to lie cheat or steal in order to reach the top.
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Date: 20 May 2007 10:20:07
From: CowPunk
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On May 20, 8:37 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote in messagenews:1fa05397o7ko0h149d84urer2h8647jg55@4ax.com...
>
> > On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
> >>school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
> >>Max. These guys are professional athletes
>
> > IQ is, supposedly, inherent, and I see no evidence that pro cyclists
> > are any dopier than the the general public with equivalent amounts of
> > education. And some of the guys seem very smart indeed.
>
> > Also, Tyler Hamilton as a college education.
>
> It might be noted that Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates all made
> their fortunes as first year college dropouts.
Yes, and all have been implicated in lawsuits as a result of unethical
business practices....
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Date: 20 May 2007 19:47:49
From: Pete
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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CowPunk wrote:
> On May 20, 8:37 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote in messagenews:1fa05397o7ko0h149d84urer2h8647jg55@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
>>>> school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
>>>> Max. These guys are professional athletes
>>> IQ is, supposedly, inherent, and I see no evidence that pro cyclists
>>> are any dopier than the the general public with equivalent amounts of
>>> education. And some of the guys seem very smart indeed.
>>> Also, Tyler Hamilton as a college education.
>> It might be noted that Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates all made
>> their fortunes as first year college dropouts.
>
> Yes, and all have been implicated in lawsuits as a result of unethical
> business practices....
>
Steve Wozniak?
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Date: 20 May 2007 18:09:14
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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Pete wrote:
> CowPunk wrote:
>> On May 20, 8:37 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote in
>>> messagenews:1fa05397o7ko0h149d84urer2h8647jg55@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
>>>>> school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
>>>>> Max. These guys are professional athletes
>>>> IQ is, supposedly, inherent, and I see no evidence that pro cyclists
>>>> are any dopier than the the general public with equivalent amounts of
>>>> education. And some of the guys seem very smart indeed.
>>>> Also, Tyler Hamilton as a college education.
>>> It might be noted that Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates all made
>>> their fortunes as first year college dropouts.
>>
>> Yes, and all have been implicated in lawsuits as a result of unethical
>> business practices....
>>
>
> Steve Wozniak?
OK, OK, Woz has been implicated as just embarrassingly stupid. And you
can't get sued for that. Or can you?
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Date: 21 May 2007 10:02:49
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> OK, OK, Woz has been implicated as just embarrassingly stupid. And you
> can't get sued for that. Or can you?
Depends on whether you test positive for SED.
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Date: 20 May 2007 12:36:00
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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"CowPunk" <cowpunk99@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179681607.793229.139790@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 20, 8:37 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1fa05397o7ko0h149d84urer2h8647jg55@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
>> >>school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
>> >>Max. These guys are professional athletes
>>
>> > IQ is, supposedly, inherent, and I see no evidence that pro cyclists
>> > are any dopier than the the general public with equivalent amounts of
>> > education. And some of the guys seem very smart indeed.
>>
>> > Also, Tyler Hamilton as a college education.
>>
>> It might be noted that Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates all made
>> their fortunes as first year college dropouts.
>
> Yes, and all have been implicated in lawsuits as a result of unethical
> business practices....
>
People who don't drop out of college have higher standards of ethics?
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Date: 20 May 2007 11:36:44
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
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> "CowPunk" <cowpunk99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179681607.793229.139790@u36g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 20, 8:37 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote in
>>> messagenews:1fa05397o7ko0h149d84urer2h8647jg55@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> > On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >>Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic
>>> >>high
>>> >>school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
>>> >>Max. These guys are professional athletes
>>>
>>> > IQ is, supposedly, inherent, and I see no evidence that pro
>>> > cyclists
>>> > are any dopier than the the general public with equivalent amounts
>>> > of
>>> > education. And some of the guys seem very smart indeed.
>>>
>>> > Also, Tyler Hamilton as a college education.
>>>
>>> It might be noted that Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates all
>>> made
>>> their fortunes as first year college dropouts.
>>
>> Yes, and all have been implicated in lawsuits as a result of
>> unethical
>> business practices....
>>
>
> People who don't drop out of college have higher standards of ethics?
People who don't drop out of college have a lower probability of being
caught.
Phil H
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Date: 20 May 2007 04:34:27
From:
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On May 20, 1:26 pm, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 20, 12:59 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > IQ is, supposedly, inherent,
>
> Were that so, education and training wouldn't affect it, yet it
> appears that they do.
Sorry. I meant to start off that post with "Dumbass."
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Date: 20 May 2007 13:46:39
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> Sorry.
Dumbass,
Only uber-dumbasses apologise on rbr.
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Date: 20 May 2007 07:42:55
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On 20 May 2007 04:34:27 -0700, rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
>On May 20, 1:26 pm, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On May 20, 12:59 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > IQ is, supposedly, inherent,
>>
>> Were that so, education and training wouldn't affect it, yet it
>> appears that they do.
>
>Sorry. I meant to start off that post with "Dumbass."
That is assumed.
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Date: 20 May 2007 04:26:55
From:
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On May 20, 12:59 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> IQ is, supposedly, inherent,
Were that so, education and training wouldn't affect it, yet it
appears that they do.
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Date: 20 May 2007 07:02:33
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpunk99@hotmail.com > wrote:
> If
>they don't, their fallback career
> is the takeout window at Burger
>King.
Except for Lance Armstrong most or all the top American pros came from
background where they'd probably go to college (if they haven't
already) and get good jobs. Armstrong is so driven that even if he
did work at BK after cycling he'd probably end up owning a bunch of
restaurants.
I'm not as familiar with the personal lives of pros from other
countries so can't comment as much on that.
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Date: 20 May 2007 11:52:04
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> Except for Lance Armstrong most or all the top American pros came from
> background where they'd probably go to college (if they haven't
> already) and get good jobs. Armstrong is so driven that even if he
> did work at BK after cycling he'd probably end up owning a bunch of
> restaurants.
And write another book ... "It's not about the Burger"?
Argh
Bill
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Date: 20 May 2007 06:59:51
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpunk99@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
>school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
>Max. These guys are professional athletes
IQ is, supposedly, inherent, and I see no evidence that pro cyclists
are any dopier than the the general public with equivalent amounts of
education. And some of the guys seem very smart indeed.
Also, Tyler Hamilton as a college education.
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JT
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Date: 20 May 2007 14:37:51
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote in message
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> On 19 May 2007 18:49:21 -0700, CowPunk <cowpunk99@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
>>school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
>>Max. These guys are professional athletes
>
> IQ is, supposedly, inherent, and I see no evidence that pro cyclists
> are any dopier than the the general public with equivalent amounts of
> education. And some of the guys seem very smart indeed.
>
> Also, Tyler Hamilton as a college education.
It might be noted that Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Bill Gates all made
their fortunes as first year college dropouts.
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Date: 19 May 2007 22:15:28
From: billyroll
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On May 19, 7:54 pm, "Callistus Valerius" <jazzyb...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> " Of course they dope. If
>
> > they don't, their fallback career is the takeout window at Burger
> > King.
>
> Eddy was the last champion. Since then it's all been a long stream of
> illusionists.
HAHAHA!!! Eddy doped too.
-B
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Date: 20 May 2007 02:54:48
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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" Of course they dope. If
> they don't, their fallback career is the takeout window at Burger
> King.
Eddy was the last champion. Since then it's all been a long stream of
illusionists.
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Date: 21 May 2007 10:51:04
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 02:54:48 GMT, "Callistus Valerius"
<jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>" Of course they dope. If
>> they don't, their fallback career is the takeout window at Burger
>> King.
>
> Eddy was the last champion. Since then it's all been a long stream of
>illusionists.
>
"Dream delivers us to dream, and there is no end to illusion." Ralph
Waldo Emerson, except he was channeling Benjamin Franklin, so its
really a Franklin quote.
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Date: 19 May 2007 19:15:04
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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"CowPunk" <cowpunk99@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179625761.798464.151170@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>A thought on the Landis hearing and Lemond....
>
> Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
> school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
> Max. These guys are professional athletes. Of course they dope. If
> they don't, their fallback career is the takeout window at Burger
> King. See what happens when you send pros to the olymipics....
>
> And we hold such high expectations of them when it comes to ethics and
> staying clean....
So what you are saying is...... there is a positive correlation between
IQ and ethics. What the hell have you been sniffing?
Phil H
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Date: 20 May 2007 04:02:07
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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"Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote in message
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> "CowPunk" <cowpunk99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1179625761.798464.151170@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>A thought on the Landis hearing and Lemond....
>>
>> Here we are listening to guys who have GED's(Armstrong) and basic high
>> school educations, most likely IQ's in the same range as their VO2
>> Max. These guys are professional athletes. Of course they dope. If
>> they don't, their fallback career is the takeout window at Burger
>> King. See what happens when you send pros to the olymipics....
>>
>> And we hold such high expectations of them when it comes to ethics and
>> staying clean....
>
> So what you are saying is...... there is a positive correlation between IQ
> and ethics. What the hell have you been sniffing?
I also liked his connection between education and intelligence. Strange -
most of the multimillionaires in the USA don't have more than a high school
education. Any guess on Cowpunk's yearly income? Can you say,
HAHHAHHAHAHAHA?
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Date: 21 May 2007 10:47:41
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Pro Cyclist IQ's - It's greedy Lemonds fault we have doping
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 04:02:07 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>I also liked his connection between education and intelligence. Strange -
>most of the multimillionaires in the USA don't have more than a high school
>education. Any guess on Cowpunk's yearly income? Can you say,
>HAHHAHHAHAHAHA?
I know the futility of this before I ask, but do you actually have a
cite for that? No, of course not - another made up statistic/fact by
Kunich.
The fact is, most multimillionaires in the USA did it on the basis of
early and recurring savings and investments, not from some home run
hit through some start-up (ie, the correlation between income and
wealth is high, irrespective of inherited wealth, and the correlation
between income and education is high). The people with the income to
set aside regularly over a long period of time to make
multimillionaire status are the educated and they make up the vast
majority of multimillionaires in the US of A. Fact.
Further, the educated have fewer cyclical events that drain savings
and drain/end investments and those cyclical events tend to be
shorter, whether health (correlation between good health and education
is high and further, in the US of A, correlation between health
insurance coverage and education is high)) or job/business.
IOW, the correlation between health, income, wealth and education are
high and the majority of multimillioniares in the US of A hold at
least a college degree. Fact.
That 'strange' fact of yours? Well, made up facts tend to go that
direction. And Kunich, you are full of bullshit and tend to be way
short on facts, the real kind.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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