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Date: 22 Apr 2007 21:38:08
From: Chris M
Subject: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2007/apr07/apr20news2
Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
Christian Prudhomme
Photo =A9: AFP Click for larger image
Christian Prudhomme does not want any of the riders named in Operaci=F3n
Puerto to take part in the Tour de France. "I have asked the teams not
to use those named riders," the Tour's Director said in an interview
with L'Equipe.
"This will not be a unilateral decision," he said. "During the
Ardenne...yada yada...
Mr. Prudhomme,
Please go somewhere and get yourself ass-fucked for so long and hard
you will forget all about the sport whose quick demise you are
contributing to.
By the way,. isn't the Tour implicated too? After all, lots of dopers
"obviously" raced at the event and then got away with it "Scott
Free" (breaking my strict policy to not use words or phases which I
can't myself explain, somehow seems ok here), and furthermore the
doped cyclists will continue to race there with the only exclusions
being decided entirely innuendo.
Hmmmmmmmm.
Back in 1998 after Festina team got popped, there were so many truly
spectacular selfish attempts to deflect blame anywhere other than at
one's own feet it looked like the sport would nearly collapse, but I
knew that the sport had grown so much that it would take much more
than that to really damage its image over the long-term.
Going on damn near 10 years on, I never imagined that anyone could
fuck the sport up any more than this *parade* of glad-handing back-
stabbing politicians-without-constituents like Dick Pound (who proved
that yes, it can get worse than Verbruggen... and what is his real
name, seriously?) and I just have to say to the USA..
I am so sorry I ever doubted you. The European culture(s) are no
different than the nations that caused the world wars and screws up
the UN, they just don't get how important "due process" or any other
concepts they did not manage to learn from Machiavelli.
I hereby surrender my ProTour License; its ashes are my testimony
against the wicked and corrupt organizations that can't overcome the
weakness of those in positions of leadership (I can't call them
leaders and that is the root problem, they can't lead).
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Date: 28 Apr 2007 12:26:26
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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> Verbruggen would never have succeeded to prevent the police intruding into
> the world of cycling during teh Festina affair in 1998. The main reason was
> that cycling in general and the Tour de France in particular lost its
> political protection. Even in the 1990's detrimental doping affairs were
> swept under the carpet on orders from on high. Unfortunately, the new owner
> of the Tour, Philippe Amaury, made the capital blunder to support actively
> the presidential campaign of Jacques Chirac in 1995. Chirac was elected, but
> wa, who was indeed elected but then lost the parliamentary elections of May,
> 1997. The new Minister of Youth and Sport, the Communist Marie-George
> Buffet, announced right after her entry into office that she wanted to deal
> with doping in a thoroughgoing way. Although there is absolutely no reason
> to doubt her sincerity and to dismiss the intervention of the authorities in
> the Festina affair as merely an act of political revenge, it is clear that
> at a critical moment the Tour could no longer count on protection from the
> government.
dumbass,
this is something i've never heard, interesting, tough i'm not sure if
i beleve it totally, since the TVM van search occurred earler that
year and there were various raids that happened in other countries at
that time.
ie. i can't believe that the spanish police decided to raid millar's
home in 2004 because Amaury suppored Chirac in 1997.
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 14:39:58
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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On Apr 23, 4:05 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
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> What was wrong with Verbruggen?
dumbass,
the problem with verbruggen was that back in the orange juice heyday
he didn't do anything to stem the use of drugs. the cycling bosses
must've known about the doping in the sport and they could've tried to
do something about it before it became a police matter.
what should've been an internal issue to cycling instead became a
public circus and a PR fiasco. they certainly could not have
eliminated doping and the occasional positve test but the intrsion by
the police into the sport did not have to happen.
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 08:39:42
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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On 25 Apr 2007 14:39:58 -0700, "amit.ghosh@gmail.com"
<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
>On Apr 23, 4:05 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> What was wrong with Verbruggen?
>
>dumbass,
>
>the problem with verbruggen was that back in the orange juice heyday
>he didn't do anything to stem the use of drugs. the cycling bosses
>must've known about the doping in the sport and they could've tried to
>do something about it before it became a police matter.
>
>what should've been an internal issue to cycling instead became a
>public circus and a PR fiasco. they certainly could not have
>eliminated doping and the occasional positve test but the intrsion by
>the police into the sport did not have to happen.
While I am fully aware of the various drug controversies of earlier
days, is the WADA/USADA persecution phase a direct result of the
opening of the Olympics to pros? Are we going through the witch hunt
(IMO apt in describing the prosecution side when witchhunters made
their career on the necessary finding and successful prosecution of
said witches, even if now there are some people actually hiding
broomsticks) just so some one day racers and out-of-the-spotlight
trackies can pick up a different medal?
Just wondering - I didn't think the last Olympic road race would quite
make it worthwhile and generally miss the days when the
more-amateur-than-others had their day in the sun.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 17:29:23
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> While I am fully aware of the various drug controversies of earlier
> days, is the WADA/USADA persecution phase a direct result of the
> opening of the Olympics to pros? Are we going through the witch hunt
> (IMO apt in describing the prosecution side when witchhunters made
> their career on the necessary finding and successful prosecution of
> said witches, even if now there are some people actually hiding
> broomsticks) just so some one day racers and out-of-the-spotlight
> trackies can pick up a different medal?
Not being able to wear his gold helmet would be a traumatic experience for
Bettini.
BTW is there any truth to the rumour that USADA are relocating to Salem
Massachusetts on April 1 next year ?
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 14:01:53
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:29:23 +0000, Donald Munro
<fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
>BTW is there any truth to the rumour that USADA are relocating to Salem
>Massachusetts on April 1 next year ?
Can't - they promised Floyd if he shows up on April 1, 2008, the
entire USADA staff will join with Floyd and his reps to watch the
testing of the C samples.
By then the French lab hopes to have a nice Mickey Mouse phone for the
direct line to L'Equipe to brighten up the place. Pound reportedly was
holding out for either a phone shaped like Inspector Javert or maybe
Torquemada, but finally had to concede that they just weren't as
popular as he thought they would be.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 00:22:38
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1177537198.044927.150290@r35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 23, 4:05 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> What was wrong with Verbruggen?
>
> dumbass,
>
> the problem with verbruggen was that back in the orange juice heyday
> he didn't do anything to stem the use of drugs. the cycling bosses
> must've known about the doping in the sport and they could've tried to
> do something about it before it became a police matter.
Verbruggen was a realist. Of course he knew that about 90 % of the riders
were using doping, but he also knew that the idea that the (relatively
powerless) UCI could do nothing about it. The only effect of a UCI campaign
against the use of doping would have been that cycling would have sunk into
a disrepute. By fare the best he could do was using strong language against
the infinitesimal percentage which was caught, and trying to keep it as low
as it was. After all, his main task was to protect the interests of bicycle
racing (including its good name), which he did so well that he was even
offered the directorate of the Tour de France.
> what should've been an internal issue to cycling instead became a
> public circus and a PR fiasco. they certainly could not have
> eliminated doping and the occasional positve test but the intrsion by
> the police into the sport did not have to happen.
Verbruggen would never have succeeded to prevent the police intruding into
the world of cycling during teh Festina affair in 1998. The main reason was
that cycling in general and the Tour de France in particular lost its
political protection. Even in the 1990's detrimental doping affairs were
swept under the carpet on orders from on high. Unfortunately, the new owner
of the Tour, Philippe Amaury, made the capital blunder to support actively
the presidential campaign of Jacques Chirac in 1995. Chirac was elected, but
wa, who was indeed elected but then lost the parliamentary elections of May,
1997. The new Minister of Youth and Sport, the Communist Marie-George
Buffet, announced right after her entry into office that she wanted to deal
with doping in a thoroughgoing way. Although there is absolutely no reason
to doubt her sincerity and to dismiss the intervention of the authorities in
the Festina affair as merely an act of political revenge, it is clear that
at a critical moment the Tour could no longer count on protection from the
government.
Benjo Maso
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Date: 24 Apr 2007 04:33:27
From: need more sun
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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Guys, don't forget Operacion Puerto is far from over.. Basso looks to
be in trouble..
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Date: 23 Apr 2007 22:05:50
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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"Chris M" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1177303088.607529.96400@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/apr07/apr20news2
Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
Christian Prudhomme
Photo ©: AFP Click for larger image
Christian Prudhomme does not want any of the riders named in Operación
Puerto to take part in the Tour de France. "I have asked the teams not
to use those named riders," the Tour's Director said in an interview
with L'Equipe.
"This will not be a unilateral decision," he said. "During the
Ardenne...yada yada...
Mr. Prudhomme,
Please go somewhere and get yourself ass-fucked for so long and hard
you will forget all about the sport whose quick demise you are
contributing to.
By the way,. isn't the Tour implicated too? After all, lots of dopers
"obviously" raced at the event and then got away with it "Scott
Free" (breaking my strict policy to not use words or phases which I
can't myself explain, somehow seems ok here), and furthermore the
doped cyclists will continue to race there with the only exclusions
being decided entirely innuendo.
Hmmmmmmmm.
Back in 1998 after Festina team got popped, there were so many truly
spectacular selfish attempts to deflect blame anywhere other than at
one's own feet it looked like the sport would nearly collapse, but I
knew that the sport had grown so much that it would take much more
than that to really damage its image over the long-term.
Going on damn near 10 years on, I never imagined that anyone could
fuck the sport up any more than this *parade* of glad-handing back-
stabbing politicians-without-constituents like Dick Pound (who proved
that yes, it can get worse than Verbruggen...
What was wrong with Verbruggen?
Benjo
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Date: 23 Apr 2007 12:50:34
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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In article
<1177303088.607529.96400@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
Chris M <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/apr07/apr20news2
>
> Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
> Christian Prudhomme
> Photo ©: AFP Click for larger image
>
> Christian Prudhomme does not want any of the riders named in Operación
> Puerto to take part in the Tour de France. "I have asked the teams not
> to use those named riders," the Tour's Director said in an interview
> with L'Equipe.
>
> "This will not be a unilateral decision," he said. "During the
> Ardenne...yada yada...
>
>
> Mr. Prudhomme,
>
> Please go somewhere and get yourself ass-fucked for so long and hard
> you will forget all about the sport whose quick demise you are
> contributing to.
>
> By the way,. isn't the Tour implicated too? After all, lots of dopers
> "obviously" raced at the event and then got away with it "Scott
> Free" (breaking my strict policy to not use words or phases which I
> can't myself explain, somehow seems ok here),
Spelled `scot free'. Note miniscule in `scot'.
Scot, n. [Icel. skot; or OF. escot, F. cot, LL. scottum, scotum,
from a kindred German word; akin to AS. scot, and E. shot, shoot;
cf. AS. sceótan to shoot, to contribute. See Shoot, and cf. Shot.]
A portion of money assessed or paid; a tax or contribution; a
mulct; a fine; a shot. Scot and lot, formerly, a parish assessment
laid on subjects according to their ability. [Eng.] Cowell. Now, a
phrase for obligations of every kind regarded collectively.
The expression `scot free' means getting away without paying taxes.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 23 Apr 2007 08:10:58
From:
Subject: Re: Prudhomme doesn't want Fuentes' riders in Tour de France
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On Apr 23, 12:38 am, Chris M <chrismcreyno...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/apr07/apr20news2
>
> Going on damn near 10 years on, I never imagined that anyone could
> fuck the sport up any more than this *parade* of glad-handing back-
> stabbing politicians-without-constituents like Dick Pound (who proved
> that yes, it can get worse than Verbruggen... and what is his real
> name, seriously?) and I just have to say to the USA..
>
> I am so sorry I ever doubted you. The European culture(s) are no
> different than the nations that caused the world wars and screws up
> the UN, they just don't get how important "due process" or any other
> concepts they did not manage to learn from Machiavelli.
Here's the problem - if we leave bicycle racing to these horse's asses
it can't improve. By the way I particularly liked your reference to
Machiavelli, it is strangely appropriate.
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