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Date: 15 Jul 2007 09:17:41
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Quote of the Day
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"And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
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stevens at veloworks dot com
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 07:51:21
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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On Jul 17, 5:39 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> "Michael." <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You would be correct, however, if you watch the video from the stage
> > you will see Levi getting literally pushed back to within sight of
> > the peleton by a mechanic leaning out of the car window. Oh, and the
> > mechanic was not even trying to pretend to be adjusting seat height
> > etc. It was a blatant assist that lasted for several minutes. I did
> > not see the bidon launch, but I assume that took place once he was in
> > sight of the tail of the field.
>
> > He was lucky.
>
> Oooh, that's bad form. Minutes long? For a GC contender? That is pushing
> it, both literally and figuratively.
>From the CN live report:
16:09 CEST 121km/44km to go
Leipheimer has lost his chain! ...
16:10 CEST 121.5km/43.5km to go
Leipheimer gets a quick bike change from the Disco mechanic
and is up and riding...
16:10 CEST
Rogers and Arroyo have rejoined the leaders - phew!
16:12 CEST
Leipheimer is back in the group. The team cars are double-file
as everyone is getting bottles. Leipheimer has to squeeze by.
DQ them all and let Prudhomme sort them out,
Ben
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 00:52:51
From: Michael.
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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On Jul 17, 1:21 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1184645972.490462.11...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "Michael." <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 5:36 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > RicodJour wrote:
> > > > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
>
> > > > I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> > > > the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> > > > the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> > > > would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
> > > > sure that was it."
>
> > > It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
> > > comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it was
> > > cheating.
>
> > Seems as though the commissaires realized that Levi's tow had been
> > caught on camera, and with him in view and decided come action was
> > necessary. Looks to me like Levi got off lightly, very lightly! I
> > also have a strong feeling that those 10 seconds are not going to seem
> > that important come Paris....
>
> > >From <http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12785.0.html>
>
> > The top American contender was fined 50 CHF and penalized 5 points and
> > 10 seconds for the bidon pull and fined an additional 50 CHF for
> > illegal mechanical assistance.
>
> > Leipheimer couldn't care less about the money or the points, but those
> > 10 seconds could be vital in the battle for the overall crown when
> > every second counts.
>
> > "My chain came off on the descent off the Roselend and got wrapped in
> > the derailleur and I couldn't pedal for the last 5km of the descent,"
> > Leipheimer told a handful of journalists on Monday's rest day. "The
> > car was too far behind for it to come up. When I got to the bottom, I
> > switched to the spare bike, but I even had to change that."
>
> > Leipheimer took a sling-shot off a bidon pass just as riders typically
> > do when chasing back on through the team cars, something that the UCI
> > seems to be cracking down on this year.
>
> > Leipheimer hopes the time penalty doesn't become a factor later in the
> > race.
>
> > "It could make a difference, but if I hadn't gotten back, it would
> > have made a bigger difference," he said.
>
> Rules are rules, but this seems like an appropriately-small penalty for
> a small bit of cheating.
If you watch the video you will see that Levi was literally pushed
back to the peleton by a mechanic hanging out of the team car. There
was not even a half hearted attempt to make it look like seat
adjustment, it was that blatant. It was only when the tail of the
peleton came into view that they eased up.
I didn't see it, but I guess it was the bidon fling that got him from
the car to the back of the group, but it was clearly a blatant push
the car that got him within sling shot distance.
This was what (I assume) the original post was referring to...
Levi was lucky, or the referee was smart to not lose high profile
rider over what started out as a stuck chain...
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 16:32:48
From: Michael.
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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On Jul 17, 1:21 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1184645972.490462.11...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "Michael." <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 5:36 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > RicodJour wrote:
> > > > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
>
> > > > I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> > > > the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> > > > the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> > > > would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
> > > > sure that was it."
>
> > > It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
> > > comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it was
> > > cheating.
>
> > Seems as though the commissaires realized that Levi's tow had been
> > caught on camera, and with him in view and decided come action was
> > necessary. Looks to me like Levi got off lightly, very lightly! I
> > also have a strong feeling that those 10 seconds are not going to seem
> > that important come Paris....
>
> > >From <http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12785.0.html>
>
> > The top American contender was fined 50 CHF and penalized 5 points and
> > 10 seconds for the bidon pull and fined an additional 50 CHF for
> > illegal mechanical assistance.
>
> > Leipheimer couldn't care less about the money or the points, but those
> > 10 seconds could be vital in the battle for the overall crown when
> > every second counts.
>
> > "My chain came off on the descent off the Roselend and got wrapped in
> > the derailleur and I couldn't pedal for the last 5km of the descent,"
> > Leipheimer told a handful of journalists on Monday's rest day. "The
> > car was too far behind for it to come up. When I got to the bottom, I
> > switched to the spare bike, but I even had to change that."
>
> > Leipheimer took a sling-shot off a bidon pass just as riders typically
> > do when chasing back on through the team cars, something that the UCI
> > seems to be cracking down on this year.
>
> > Leipheimer hopes the time penalty doesn't become a factor later in the
> > race.
>
> > "It could make a difference, but if I hadn't gotten back, it would
> > have made a bigger difference," he said.
>
> Rules are rules, but this seems like an appropriately-small penalty for
> a small bit of cheating.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
You would be correct, however, if you watch the video from the stage
you will see Levi getting literally pushed back to within sight of
the peleton by a mechanic leaning out of the car window. Oh, and the
mechanic was not even trying to pretend to be adjusting seat height
etc. It was a blatant assist that lasted for several minutes. I did
not see the bidon launch, but I assume that took place once he was in
sight of the tail of the field.
He was lucky.
Michael.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 00:39:05
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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In article <1184689968.524146.13130@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com >,
"Michael." <michael.john.conway@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 17, 1:21 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > In article <1184645972.490462.11...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael." <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 15, 5:36 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > RicodJour wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
> >
> > > > > I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> > > > > the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> > > > > the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> > > > > would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes,
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > sure that was it."
> >
> > > > It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
> > > > comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it
> > > > was
> > > > cheating.
> > > Leipheimer took a sling-shot off a bidon pass just as riders typically
> > > do when chasing back on through the team cars, something that the UCI
> > > seems to be cracking down on this year.
> >
> > > Leipheimer hopes the time penalty doesn't become a factor later in the
> > > race.
> >
> > > "It could make a difference, but if I hadn't gotten back, it would
> > > have made a bigger difference," he said.
> >
> > Rules are rules, but this seems like an appropriately-small penalty for
> > a small bit of cheating.
> You would be correct, however, if you watch the video from the stage
> you will see Levi getting literally pushed back to within sight of
> the peleton by a mechanic leaning out of the car window. Oh, and the
> mechanic was not even trying to pretend to be adjusting seat height
> etc. It was a blatant assist that lasted for several minutes. I did
> not see the bidon launch, but I assume that took place once he was in
> sight of the tail of the field.
>
> He was lucky.
Oooh, that's bad form. Minutes long? For a GC contender? That is pushing
it, both literally and figuratively.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 07:44:42
From: MyPostingID
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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On Jul 17, 1:21 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1184645972.490462.11...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> "Michael." <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 5:36 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > RicodJour wrote:
> > > > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
>
> > > > I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> > > > the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> > > > the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> > > > would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
> > > > sure that was it."
>
> > > It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
> > > comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it was
> > > cheating.
>
> > Seems as though the commissaires realized that Levi's tow had been
> > caught on camera, and with him in view and decided come action was
> > necessary. Looks to me like Levi got off lightly, very lightly! I
> > also have a strong feeling that those 10 seconds are not going to seem
> > that important come Paris....
>
> > >From <http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12785.0.html>
>
> > The top American contender was fined 50 CHF and penalized 5 points and
> > 10 seconds for the bidon pull and fined an additional 50 CHF for
> > illegal mechanical assistance.
>
> > Leipheimer couldn't care less about the money or the points, but those
> > 10 seconds could be vital in the battle for the overall crown when
> > every second counts.
>
> > "My chain came off on the descent off the Roselend and got wrapped in
> > the derailleur and I couldn't pedal for the last 5km of the descent,"
> > Leipheimer told a handful of journalists on Monday's rest day. "The
> > car was too far behind for it to come up. When I got to the bottom, I
> > switched to the spare bike, but I even had to change that."
>
> > Leipheimer took a sling-shot off a bidon pass just as riders typically
> > do when chasing back on through the team cars, something that the UCI
> > seems to be cracking down on this year.
>
> > Leipheimer hopes the time penalty doesn't become a factor later in the
> > race.
>
> > "It could make a difference, but if I hadn't gotten back, it would
> > have made a bigger difference," he said.
>
> Rules are rules, but this seems like an appropriately-small penalty for
> a small bit of cheating.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Phil just called Paul "Phil"!
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 04:19:32
From: Michael.
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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On Jul 15, 5:36 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com > wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > wrote:
> >> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
>
> > I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> > the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> > the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> > would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
> > sure that was it."
>
> It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
> comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it was
> cheating.
Seems as though the commissaires realized that Levi's tow had been
caught on camera, and with him in view and decided come action was
necessary. Looks to me like Levi got off lightly, very lightly! I
also have a strong feeling that those 10 seconds are not going to seem
that important come Paris....
>From <http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12785.0.html>
The top American contender was fined 50 CHF and penalized 5 points and
10 seconds for the bidon pull and fined an additional 50 CHF for
illegal mechanical assistance.
Leipheimer couldn't care less about the money or the points, but those
10 seconds could be vital in the battle for the overall crown when
every second counts.
"My chain came off on the descent off the Roselend and got wrapped in
the derailleur and I couldn't pedal for the last 5km of the descent,"
Leipheimer told a handful of journalists on Monday's rest day. "The
car was too far behind for it to come up. When I got to the bottom, I
switched to the spare bike, but I even had to change that."
Leipheimer took a sling-shot off a bidon pass just as riders typically
do when chasing back on through the team cars, something that the UCI
seems to be cracking down on this year.
Leipheimer hopes the time penalty doesn't become a factor later in the
race.
"It could make a difference, but if I hadn't gotten back, it would
have made a bigger difference," he said.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 05:21:45
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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In article <1184645972.490462.11820@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com >,
"Michael." <michael.john.conway@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 15, 5:36 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > RicodJour wrote:
> > > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
> >
> > > I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> > > the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> > > the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> > > would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
> > > sure that was it."
> >
> > It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
> > comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it was
> > cheating.
>
> Seems as though the commissaires realized that Levi's tow had been
> caught on camera, and with him in view and decided come action was
> necessary. Looks to me like Levi got off lightly, very lightly! I
> also have a strong feeling that those 10 seconds are not going to seem
> that important come Paris....
>
> >From <http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12785.0.html>
>
> The top American contender was fined 50 CHF and penalized 5 points and
> 10 seconds for the bidon pull and fined an additional 50 CHF for
> illegal mechanical assistance.
>
> Leipheimer couldn't care less about the money or the points, but those
> 10 seconds could be vital in the battle for the overall crown when
> every second counts.
>
> "My chain came off on the descent off the Roselend and got wrapped in
> the derailleur and I couldn't pedal for the last 5km of the descent,"
> Leipheimer told a handful of journalists on Monday's rest day. "The
> car was too far behind for it to come up. When I got to the bottom, I
> switched to the spare bike, but I even had to change that."
>
> Leipheimer took a sling-shot off a bidon pass just as riders typically
> do when chasing back on through the team cars, something that the UCI
> seems to be cracking down on this year.
>
> Leipheimer hopes the time penalty doesn't become a factor later in the
> race.
>
> "It could make a difference, but if I hadn't gotten back, it would
> have made a bigger difference," he said.
Rules are rules, but this seems like an appropriately-small penalty for
a small bit of cheating.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 14:38:23
From: MyPostingID
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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On Jul 15, 5:36 pm, Araxen <ara...@gmail.com > wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> > wrote:
> >> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
>
> > I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> > the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> > the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> > would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
> > sure that was it."
>
> It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
> comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it was
> cheating.
I liked the one where Phil said: "His confidence is bristling out of
his crash helmet there."
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 10:19:13
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com >
wrote:
>
> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
sure that was it."
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 16:36:13
From: Araxen
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:17 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
> wrote:
>> "And Popovych has gone POP." -- Paul Sherwen.
>
> I liked the commentary when Levi was coming back to the field after
> the bike change, with a _lot_ of help, Sherwen is commenting on how
> the push could lead to disqualification, then added that Discovery
> would argue that they were adjusting the seat height. Phil: "Yes, I'm
> sure that was it."
>
It was funny and later on when they showed the replay he made the
comment again about it was a "seat adjustment" and didn't mention it was
cheating.
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