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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:13:52
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Rasmussen out
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Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 10:31:46
From:
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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I'm a cynic
> start pressuring
> the Spanish authorities to publish the complete Fuentes files, publish
> all their internal list of which riders are working with "problematic"
> doctors - In other words start a regualr witch hunt.
>
The Soccer world will NEVER allow that, Wich is a shame, as they are
as doped to the gills as Pro-Cyclists.
- Frail kiddies getting Hormonal injections so they will be able to
become stars (Ajax, Barcelona and I actually assume every big club
does it)
- Pro sporters having slowly changed facial features (Jaws are a good
sign). Many soccer players with an Inge de BruijnPantani jaw. Pantani
and Inge are wonderful examples(look at pictures at the start and end
of their careers and shiver in horror), something certain soccer
"stars" mirror (Hey Jaap Stam, nice chin you have)
But back to cyling: Many cycling stars from the recent past show the
Jaw line of a hardcore doper... and never tested positive. And often
with slick faces drenched in hypocrisy denounce dope. Sad really.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:23:36
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 26, 5:30 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> amit.gh...@gmail.com <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > even if ras is an uncharismatic loner teams don't throw their riders
> > under the bus, especially not as the lead the tour.
>
> If the sponsor says pull the rider, then the team will comply.
>
> Remember that De Roy spent the rest day publicly stating that the
> team and MR had the full support from the sponsor, and declaring that
> Rabobank had been aware of the location of MR in june.
> After the Cassani interview ran on Dutch TV the follwing day, where
> Cassani witnessed that MR where in Itlay and not in Mexico in june,
> the sponsor demanded De Roy to pull him.
>
> --
Okay, that seems likely. The team wouldn't be working for him in the
morning and then pulling him out of the race a few hours later when
they already knew about his whereabouts problem.
The pressure to pull him from the race had to have been external. The
UCI or the sponsor wanting to avoid further embarrassment.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 00:15:58
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 26, 5:30 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
> > amit.gh...@gmail.com <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > even if ras is an uncharismatic loner teams don't throw their riders
> > > under the bus, especially not as the lead the tour.
> >
> > If the sponsor says pull the rider, then the team will comply.
> >
> > Remember that De Roy spent the rest day publicly stating that the
> > team and MR had the full support from the sponsor, and declaring that
> > Rabobank had been aware of the location of MR in june.
> > After the Cassani interview ran on Dutch TV the follwing day, where
> > Cassani witnessed that MR where in Itlay and not in Mexico in june,
> > the sponsor demanded De Roy to pull him.
> >
> > --
> Okay, that seems likely. The team wouldn't be working for him in the
> morning and then pulling him out of the race a few hours later when
> they already knew about his whereabouts problem.
> The pressure to pull him from the race had to have been external. The
> UCI or the sponsor wanting to avoid further embarrassment.
Not the UCI, the ASO and the sponsor after watching the response to
the pressconference tuesday.
People seem to forget the war between ASO and UCI/Protour association.
ASO aims to be a bigger factor in cycling than UCI itself, this week
they won on points.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 09:05:24
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
>> The pressure to pull him from the race had to have been external. The
>> UCI or the sponsor wanting to avoid further embarrassment.
>
> Not the UCI, the ASO and the sponsor after watching the response to
> the pressconference tuesday.
Ah. You think what is said there is all true and the whole truth?
Speculation cannot be negated by a press conference.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 10:41:49
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
I hate to think what poor Boogerd, Menchov and Dekker must be feeling
after they rode their butts off in both the Alps and the Pyrenees.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 11:49:09
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
> I hate to think what poor Boogerd, Menchov and Dekker must be feeling
> after they rode their butts off in both the Alps and the Pyrenees.
"dumbass, why didn't he just stick with the teams doctor?"
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 04:54:18
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 9:15 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> What the hell are you talking about? From the comments, Rassmussen was
> TRAINING in Italy. I'm sure that he was running physical tests for Ferrari
> or Cecchini. The real question is did he dope or was he using the world's
> foremost training coaches straight up? I tend to believe the former but
> nevertheless I still believe that you have to prove a man guilty for him to
> be guilty.
dumbass,
rabobank has the evidence to believe that rasmussen is dirty and
likely to get caught. yes, i'm claiming they have information beyond
what us schmoebags get on cyclingnews and OLN.
> Rabobank isn't about to stand for any smirch upon thier own reputation if
> they can avoid it. Even if Rassmussen was completely straight in his
> training and he was only there secretly because Rabobank wouldn't want him
> within 100 km of Ferrari you understand that the team couldn't take the
> chance. Rabobank must be the longest term sponsor now and any team that
> would gamble with that is pretty stupid wouldn't you say?
winning the tour would be great for their sponsor, why would they pull
their rider while he's in the lead ? that is very bad PR.
they pulled him because having him win then get snared in a doping
scandal would be devastating PR.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 00:34:39
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185425658.533773.301350@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 25, 9:15 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> What the hell are you talking about? From the comments, Rassmussen was
>> TRAINING in Italy. I'm sure that he was running physical tests for
>> Ferrari
>> or Cecchini. The real question is did he dope or was he using the world's
>> foremost training coaches straight up? I tend to believe the former but
>> nevertheless I still believe that you have to prove a man guilty for him
>> to
>> be guilty.
>
> dumbass,
>
> rabobank has the evidence to believe that rasmussen is dirty and
> likely to get caught.
I suggest that you learn to only write what you know about instead of
inventing your favorite endings.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 04:37:01
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 9:15 pm, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> > the UCI knows rasmussen is dirty and they want to avoid
> > the embarrassment of having a doping scandal while he's in yellow or
> > after he's won the tour.
>
> pure speculation, not facts.
dumbass,
true, but it's based on a logical analysis.
if rasmussen's only crime was lying for some benign reason about his
whereabouts he would not be pulled by his team and fired.
prior to the tour ras and vino were the rumoured "men in black", which
leads me to think they had something on ras, but not enough to nail
him.
during the tour a few more things may have come to light (apart from
the shoebox story), or maybe not, but mcquiad put pressure on rabo to
pull rasmussen to avoid having another tour winner test positive or
otherwise get nailed for doping.
even if ras is an uncharismatic loner teams don't throw their riders
under the bus, especially not as the lead the tour. the UCI must've
presented evidence that convinced rabo that they were in a position to
nail rasmussen were he to continue in the tour.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 11:30:55
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> even if ras is an uncharismatic loner teams don't throw their riders
> under the bus, especially not as the lead the tour.
If the sponsor says pull the rider, then the team will comply.
Remember that De Roy spent the rest day publicly stating that the
team and MR had the full support from the sponsor, and declaring that
Rabobank had been aware of the location of MR in june.
After the Cassani interview ran on Dutch TV the follwing day, where
Cassani witnessed that MR where in Itlay and not in Mexico in june,
the sponsor demanded De Roy to pull him.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 20:28:05
From: Ernst Blofeld
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 2:45 pm, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Keep in mind I predicted this. Contador is next, then Evans and
> Leipheimer. Kirchen is now safe since he's dropped down below Valverde.
The Millar Line is at 2:34:24
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 05:21:38
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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In article <1185420485.848388.246950@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com >,
Ernst Blofeld <blofeld42@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2:45 pm, William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Keep in mind I predicted this. Contador is next, then Evans and
> > Leipheimer. Kirchen is now safe since he's dropped down below Valverde.
>
> The Millar Line is at 2:34:24
Ernst, I love you.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 10:42:40
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Ernst Blofeld wrote:
>> The Millar Line is at 2:34:24
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Ernst, I love you.
You're drunk (again).
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 20:02:01
From:
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 7:38 pm, "Bob Palermo" <rj_pale...@comcast.net > wrote:
> Was I calling you a name? No.
>
> Have you yet said whether you think only 3 guys are "dirty" in the tour this
> year? No. I really would like to hear your opinion on this. But
> apparently you are not going to tell us.
>
> Actually, I really don't want to think that there is rampant cheating going
> on. (It ruins it for me to think to watch if I think it's the case.) But, to
> me the evidence points to it. Whole teams pull themselves out of the race. A
> rider is pulled even when he has not tested positive. Several top riders
> were banned from the tour last year and this year. Last year's winner tested
> positive. Etc. To me, it's naive to think that there are only a few "bad
> apples"
>
> All riders train extremely hard, and are performing near the top of their
> capabilities. The additional few percent they get from, say a Vino like
> "transfusion" makes a big difference. It did for Vino. Seemed like it did
> for Landis last year though I don't understand how the type of doping he did
> (some sort of testosterone) would help him overnight.
>
> So in your what makes Discovery or Barloworld are definitely clean? They are
> competing against some other teams that are cheating, yet they are up near
> the top. Is it that their training techniques are better than the other
> teams? Or is it their race strategy? It just doesn't add up for me.
>
> I respect your right to view it differently and come to a different
> conclusion. But your personal namecalling, that I don't respect.
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in messagenews:VhTpi.12030$zA4.8304@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>
>
> > "Bob Palermo" <rj_pale...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:drudnV_UltK4YzrbnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree
> >> and explain why.
>
> > So you WEREN'T name calling?
>
> >> But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
> >> only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams,
> >> including Discovery are clean?
>
> > I see you have your lynch rope oiled nice and shiny. After all, you're
> > such a knowledgeable dumbass that you have convicted every one of them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Just watched Rasmussen win stage 16. I dont think he can lose now.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 18:16:54
From: Stella
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
Hint: Rasmussen.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:13:21
From: Bike Mike
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Stella <shackell@juniper.net > wrote:
>On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
>> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
>
>
>Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
>
>Hint: Rasmussen.
>
MR missed 4 tests over the last 18 months. Under WADA rules missing 3
is the same as a doping.
If TdF pulled him, you'd have a point. But his employer fired him for
lying to them about which hemisphere he was in.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 12:53:31
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Bike Mike <none@ > wrote:
> Stella <shackell@juniper.net> wrote:
> >On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
> >> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
> >
> >
> >Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
> >
> >Hint: Rasmussen.
> >
> MR missed 4 tests over the last 18 months. Under WADA rules missing 3
> is the same as a doping.
No, he missed one test and got a warning for wherabouts under one
jurstiction, and missed 2 tests under another juristiction. Under WADA
rules 3 warnings/missed tests under the same juristiction and a doping
case can begin.
> If TdF pulled him, you'd have a point. But his employer fired him for
> lying to them about which hemisphere he was in.
correct.
If cycling want's to clean up, the UCI and all national federations
could begin by publishing all current warnings, start pressuring
the Spanish authorities to publish the complete Fuentes files, publish
all their internal list of which riders are working with "problematic"
doctors - In other words start a regualr witch hunt.
However it doubt any of the above mentioned things will happen, until
then we can just say "bummer" whenever at rider is busted.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 02:34:25
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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In article <b2bmn4-rl5.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk >,
Morten Reippuert Knudsen<spam@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> Bike Mike <none@> wrote:
> > Stella <shackell@juniper.net> wrote:
>
> > >On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
> > >> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
> > >
> > >
> > >Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
> > >
> > >Hint: Rasmussen.
> > >
> > MR missed 4 tests over the last 18 months. Under WADA rules missing 3
> > is the same as a doping.
>
> No, he missed one test and got a warning for wherabouts under one
> jurstiction, and missed 2 tests under another juristiction. Under WADA
> rules 3 warnings/missed tests under the same juristiction and a doping
> case can begin.
>
> > If TdF pulled him, you'd have a point. But his employer fired him for
> > lying to them about which hemisphere he was in.
>
> correct.
>
> If cycling want's to clean up, the UCI and all national federations
> could begin by publishing all current warnings, start pressuring
> the Spanish authorities to publish the complete Fuentes files, publish
> all their internal list of which riders are working with "problematic"
> doctors - In other words start a regualr witch hunt.
Nothing wrong with a witch hunt. It's snipe hunts and wild goose chases
one wants to avoid.
In this case, I think we all agree the witches (you know, they wear
black and keep to themselves) really exist.
> However it doubt any of the above mentioned things will happen, until
> then we can just say "bummer" whenever at rider is busted.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 13:00:23
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <b2bmn4-rl5.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk>,
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen<spam@reippuert.dk> wrote:
> > Bike Mike <none@> wrote:
> > > Stella <shackell@juniper.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
> > > >> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
> > > >
> > > >Hint: Rasmussen.
> > > >
> > > MR missed 4 tests over the last 18 months. Under WADA rules missing 3
> > > is the same as a doping.
> >
> > No, he missed one test and got a warning for wherabouts under one
> > jurstiction, and missed 2 tests under another juristiction. Under WADA
> > rules 3 warnings/missed tests under the same juristiction and a doping
> > case can begin.
> >
> > > If TdF pulled him, you'd have a point. But his employer fired him for
> > > lying to them about which hemisphere he was in.
> >
> > correct.
> >
> > If cycling want's to clean up, the UCI and all national federations
> > could begin by publishing all current warnings, start pressuring
> > the Spanish authorities to publish the complete Fuentes files, publish
> > all their internal list of which riders are working with "problematic"
> > doctors - In other words start a regualr witch hunt.
> Nothing wrong with a witch hunt. It's snipe hunts and wild goose chases
> one wants to avoid.
And yet your are pleased with the outcome of the Rasmussen case?
> In this case, I think we all agree the witches (you know, they wear
> black and keep to themselves) really exist.
For shure they do - Iv'e never said they didn't.
The sad thing is that regardless If Rasmussen was pulled or not they
will be 1st, 2nd and 3rd in this years TDF.
The main difference is that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd doesn't have to fear
their own press and federation.
The ASO however seems to be pleased, they've got their scapegoat and
knockouted UCI with only a minor casualty (Vinokurov)
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 11:04:09
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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in message <rcousine-81D0AB.19342526072007@news.telus.net >, Ryan Cousineau
('rcousine@sfu.ca') wrote:
> In this case, I think we all agree the witches (you know, they wear
> black and keep to themselves) really exist.
Harry Potter is living proof.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; If Python is executable pseudocode,
;; then Perl is executable line noise
-- seen on Slashdot.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 12:26:20
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> In this case, I think we all agree the witches (you know, they wear
>> black and keep to themselves) really exist.
Simon Brooke wrote:
> Harry Potter is living proof.
I knew Gandalf was a doper the moment I set eyes on him.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 17:46:55
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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in message <46a9c7d3$0$4370$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >, Donald Munro
('fat-dumbass@hotmail.com') wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>> In this case, I think we all agree the witches (you know, they wear
>>> black and keep to themselves) really exist.
>
> Simon Brooke wrote:
>> Harry Potter is living proof.
>
> I knew Gandalf was a doper the moment I set eyes on him.
Hell, the UCI banned pipe weed in the year 1127 of the third age.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; Drivers in the UK kill more people every single year than
;; Al Qaeda have ever killed worldwide in any single year.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 22:07:43
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Stella wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
>> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
>
>
> Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
>
> Hint: Rasmussen.
Also Basso.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 10:37:14
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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kaiser wrote:
>>> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
>>> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
Stella wrote:
>> Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
>> Hint: Rasmussen.
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Also Basso.
And Armstrong.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 02:05:43
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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"Stella" <shackell@juniper.net > wrote in message
news:1185412614.292153.185850@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
>> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
>
> Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
>
> Hint: Rasmussen.
Hint - it doesn't matter in the least to the high school dropouts telling us
about the "doping" problem in cycling. And most of them probably have their
own doping problems.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 18:55:45
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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In article <1185412614.292153.185850@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com >,
Stella <shackell@juniper.net > wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
> > Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
>
>
> Which one of those five people did NOT test positive?
>
> Hint: Rasmussen.
STELL-LAAAAAAAA! Sorry, I just had to.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 17:33:19
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 8:17 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>
> Bottom line is that he was lying about where he was. I was very insistent that
> his failures to report were nothing more than administrative bother and as they
> did not rise to an offense under the rules that it was absurd to give him any
> shit about it. But actually telling falsehoods about your location is an
> entirely different thing. And if your boss requires that you report your
> whereabouts (and most insist on, at least, an accurate accounting of what
> fucking continent you're on) then it's up to him to fire your ass if you lie
> about it.
>
> Chicken fucked up big time.
It makes you wonder what goes through someone's mind coming up with
such inanity. "Oh, wait, did you mean _this_ past June...?" Does he
think he's Claude Rains (or Kevin Bacon for you youngsters) and
invisible when he's going through customs with his fookin' passport?
That no one will recognize him?
If someone is going to lie, they should at least show some respect to
the professional liars out there and make an effort so it is either
unverifiable or creative. Creative can mean either amusing or
baffling.
R
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 17:25:08
From: bar
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 8:17 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:25 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >"Pasta Nostra" <ma...@mafia.it> wrote in message
> >news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
> >>I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
> >>Ferrari.
>
> >Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end training
> >specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
>
> Bottom line is that he was lying about where he was. I was very insistent that
> his failures to report were nothing more than administrative bother and as they
> did not rise to an offense under the rules that it was absurd to give him any
> shit about it. But actually telling falsehoods about your location is an
> entirely different thing. And if your boss requires that you report your
> whereabouts (and most insist on, at least, an accurate accounting of what
> fucking continent you're on) then it's up to him to fire your ass if you lie
> about it.
>
> Chicken fucked up big time.
>
> Ron
I hope they've got Wiggins on suicide (or perhaps homicide) watch.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 17:14:01
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 7:11 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
>
> That would be Contador, ex Astana, ex Liberty Seguros, former protege of
> Manuel Sainz, former client of Eufemio Fuentes? Ah, the new, clean, young
> generation will save cycling...
You're just cranky since Cancellara hasn't been mentioned
recently. :)~
R
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:04:04
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
On Jul 25, 7:50 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Pasta Nostra" <ma...@mafia.it> wrote in message
>
> news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
>
> >I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
> >Ferrari.
>
> Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end training
> specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
>
> What makes you believe that riders need dope? Is it because you don't have
> the slightest idea about performance enhancing drugs and how they work or is
> it because you use crank and crystal and believe that's what doping is all
> about?
dumbass,
yeah and what if santa claus fought the easter bunny ?
maybe in your universe it makes sense that rabo would prevent their
rider (who they believe is clean) from winning the tour.
rasmussen didn't get pulled (and fired) just for lying about his
whereabouts. the UCI knows rasmussen is dirty and they want to avoid
the embarrassment of having a doping scandal while he's in yellow or
after he's won the tour.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 03:15:20
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> maybe in your universe it makes sense that rabo would prevent their
> rider (who they believe is clean) from winning the tour.
If the majority of the public doesn't belive it, then it doesn't matter.
Anyone lieing for his emplyer and makeing the employer take a public
stand based on those lies will get fired - if not initially then at
least when/uf the lies are exposed.
> rasmussen didn't get pulled (and fired) just for lying about his
> whereabouts.
Rasmussen has been suspended, and will proberbly get fired.
> the UCI knows rasmussen is dirty and they want to avoid
> the embarrassment of having a doping scandal while he's in yellow or
> after he's won the tour.
pure speculation, not facts.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 01:15:30
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185408244.705139.205950@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 25, 7:50 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "Pasta Nostra" <ma...@mafia.it> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
>>
>> >I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
>> >Ferrari.
>>
>> Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end
>> training
>> specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
>>
>> What makes you believe that riders need dope? Is it because you don't
>> have
>> the slightest idea about performance enhancing drugs and how they work or
>> is
>> it because you use crank and crystal and believe that's what doping is
>> all
>> about?
>
> maybe in your universe it makes sense that rabo would prevent their
> rider (who they believe is clean) from winning the tour.
What the hell are you talking about? From the comments, Rassmussen was
TRAINING in Italy. I'm sure that he was running physical tests for Ferrari
or Cecchini. The real question is did he dope or was he using the world's
foremost training coaches straight up? I tend to believe the former but
nevertheless I still believe that you have to prove a man guilty for him to
be guilty. That doesn't seem like a universal standard here among the lyjnch
mob.
> rasmussen didn't get pulled (and fired) just for lying about his
> whereabouts. the UCI knows rasmussen is dirty and they want to avoid
> the embarrassment of having a doping scandal while he's in yellow or
> after he's won the tour.
Rabobank isn't about to stand for any smirch upon thier own reputation if
they can avoid it. Even if Rassmussen was completely straight in his
training and he was only there secretly because Rabobank wouldn't want him
within 100 km of Ferrari you understand that the team couldn't take the
chance. Rabobank must be the longest term sponsor now and any team that
would gamble with that is pretty stupid wouldn't you say?
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 16:50:01
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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"Ewoud Dronkert" <firstname@lastname.net.invalid > wrote in message
news:46a7bd1c$0$241$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
Next to go are Contador and Leipheimer.
Go Cadel!!!
Or maybe they'll all go:
http://homepage.mac.com/getosx/2007_tour_de_farce.jpg
Greg
--
Ticketbastard tax tracker:
http://ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html
Dethink to survive - Mclusky
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:50:34
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
On Jul 25, 5:45 pm, "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREM...@telus.net > wrote:
> "MrBob" <n...@none.none> wrote in message
>
> news:none-1E5B8B.17294725072007@news-server.socal.rr.com...
>
>
>
> > In article <Xns997891354F043Fkldel...@130.133.1.4>,
> > William Asher <gcn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>
> >> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> >> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>
> >> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>
> >> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss
> >> Elizabeth
> >> were still alive.
>
> > It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
>
> > From EuroSport:
>
> >http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
>
> > Rasmussen out of Tour de France
>
> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
dumbass,
it's ironic that a saiz rider getting popped (heras) gave rabo their
last GT win (menchov) and now a rabo rider getting pulled (before
popping) gives the lead to a saiz rider.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 22:36:55
From: kaiser
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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On Jul 25, 2:53 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> MrBob schreef:
I'm not sure that Boonen wants to walk away from his green jersey so
quickly.
>
> > It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
> > [...]
> > PAU, France (AFP) - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was
> > sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank team,
>
> Yep. He has been dismissed, effective immediately, by his employer for
> lying about where he was. The team (riders?) is still in chambers about
> tomorrow's start.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:38:34
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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kaiser schreef:
> I'm not sure that Boonen wants to walk away from his green jersey so
> quickly.
Not the same team.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 14:52:30
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
On Jul 25, 5:46 pm, kaiser <pjman...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
> Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
>
> Oh the humanity.
>
> On Jul 25, 2:13 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>
> > --
> > E. Dronkert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The same way the Soviets handled the "mentally sick criminals" who
thought the Gulags and purges were a bad thing.
Bill C
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 14:50:38
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
On Jul 25, 5:40 pm, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 25, 11:29 pm, MrBob <n...@none.none> wrote:
>
> > His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead
>
> Yeah, but there's still four more days to kick him out, too.
Those tracking implants are looking better every day, and you had damn
well better not marry, or be, someone from "an unusual location".
Let it all come crashing down! Or brand the bastards and chain them
up.
Bill C
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:46:38
From: kaiser
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
Gosh, how are we gonna handle all of these falsely accused people?
Floyd, Tyler, Basso, Rasmussen, Vinokourov?
Oh the humanity.
On Jul 25, 2:13 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:40:35
From:
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
On Jul 25, 11:29 pm, MrBob <n...@none.none > wrote:
> His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead
Yeah, but there's still four more days to kick him out, too.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 10:47:24
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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MrBob wrote:
>> His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead
rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> Yeah, but there's still four more days to kick him out, too.
Or they can do a 2006 repeat and wait until the day after (can you drink
Deja Vu ?).
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 20:12:18
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
In article
<1185399635.838919.218740@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 25, 11:29 pm, MrBob <n...@none.none> wrote:
>
> > His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead
>
> Yeah, but there's still four more days to kick him out, too.
Everybody knows that Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team
has the best dope.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:10:08
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 25, 11:29 pm, MrBob <n...@none.none> wrote:
> > His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead
> Yeah, but there's still four more days to kick him out, too.
Won't happen until the pressuere on the Spanish authorites increases
significantly and A.Valverde, A.Contador, S.Palinio and A.Davies
reincluded in the puerto files.
Congratulation to Cadel Evans, instead ogf Lotto sueing Astana perheps
the should instead sue the spanish cycling federation.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:16:46
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>
>
Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss Elizabeth
were still alive.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 17:29:47
From: MrBob
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
In article <Xns997891354F043FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4 >,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>
> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
> >
> >
>
> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>
> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss Elizabeth
> were still alive.
It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
From EuroSport:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
Rasmussen out of Tour de France
Wed 25 Jul, 10:22 PM
PAU, France (AFP) - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was
sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank team,
the Dutch outfit revealed on Wednesday.
The Dane had seemingly weathered the storm over missing four out of
competition dope tests in the past 18 months and had won Wednesday's
stage to all but seal overall victory.
However the team has learnt that Rasmussen lied to them over where and
what he was up to during the month of June when he was in fact in Italy
and not in Mexico as he had told them.
Rasmussen had won two stages during the Tour, though, his presence at
the race was questioned by several officials and from the race
organisers as well.
His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead with
Australian Cadel Evans in second.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 19:26:24
From: Pasta Nostra
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr Ferrari.
MrBob <none@none.none > wrote:
>In article <Xns997891354F043FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
> William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>
>> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
>> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>>
>> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss Elizabeth
>> were still alive.
>
>It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
>
>From EuroSport:
>
>http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
>
>Rasmussen out of Tour de France
>Wed 25 Jul, 10:22 PM
>
>PAU, France (AFP) - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was
>sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank team,
>the Dutch outfit revealed on Wednesday.
>The Dane had seemingly weathered the storm over missing four out of
>competition dope tests in the past 18 months and had won Wednesday's
>stage to all but seal overall victory.
>However the team has learnt that Rasmussen lied to them over where and
>what he was up to during the month of June when he was in fact in Italy
>and not in Mexico as he had told them.
>Rasmussen had won two stages during the Tour, though, his presence at
>the race was questioned by several officials and from the race
>organisers as well.
>His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead with
>Australian Cadel Evans in second.
Spam goes well with eggs
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:50:25
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
"Pasta Nostra" <mafia@mafia.it > wrote in message
news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
>I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
>Ferrari.
Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end training
specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
What makes you believe that riders need dope? Is it because you don't have
the slightest idea about performance enhancing drugs and how they work or is
it because you use crank and crystal and believe that's what doping is all
about?
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 13:11:01
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Pasta Nostra" <mafia@mafia.it> wrote in message
> news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
> >I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
> >Ferrari.
> Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end training
> specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
That would be a very valid assumption, he might even not be have been
hiding from UCI but from his own team. It could also explain Theo De
Roys reaction.
Luckly Leipheimer and Evans doesn't had to resort to such solutions,
they are both freely allowed to consult dr. Michele Ferrari, which
they still do. (You know Filippo Simioni - the liar and slanderer)
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 11:15:35
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
in message <5lRpi.10766$rR.10399@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net >, Tom
Kunich ('cyclintom@yahoo. com') wrote:
> "Pasta Nostra" <mafia@mafia.it> wrote in message
> news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
>>I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
>>Ferrari.
>
> Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end
> training specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
Yup, that's entirely possible. Nothing about Rasmussen's performance this
year suggests to me that he's doping - it's consistent with his
performance in previous years, except that he has got a little more
confident and a little more comfortable on a time trial bike (which isn't
very surprising).
He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
"This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
-- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 17:53:54
From: Bob Martin
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
in 550378 20070726 111535 Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
ng).
>
>He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.
>
Lucky that journalists aren't sacked for being "economical with the truth"
- there'd be no-one to report on the tour.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 21:40:37
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
Simon Brooke wrote:
>>He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.
Bob Martin wrote:
> Lucky that journalists aren't sacked for being "economical with the truth"
> - there'd be no-one to report on the tour.
Or politicians or we'd run out of dodgy dossiers. Perhaps Astana used a
dodgy dossier instead of a blue cooler box.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:43:23
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
in message <7r8mn4-dl1.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk >, Simon Brooke
('simon@jasmine.org.uk') wrote:
> in message <5lRpi.10766$rR.10399@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Tom
> Kunich ('cyclintom@yahoo. com') wrote:
>
>> "Pasta Nostra" <mafia@mafia.it> wrote in message
>> news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
>>>I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
>>>Ferrari.
>>
>> Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end
>> training specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
>
> Yup, that's entirely possible. Nothing about Rasmussen's performance this
> year suggests to me that he's doping - it's consistent with his
> performance in previous years, except that he has got a little more
> confident and a little more comfortable on a time trial bike (which isn't
> very surprising).
>
> He wasn't sacked for doping, he was sacked for lying.
And as a follow-up to that, he says today (according to Eurosport this
morning) that he /was/ in Mexico, and not in Italy, when another rider
thought they recognised him in the Dolomites. I don't know whether this is
true or not, but it ought to be possible to check air passenger manifests,
airport boarding records, etc.
If - I say /if/ - Rasmussen is telling the truth, was in Mexico, and can
prove it, then we really are in a mess.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
I shall continue to be an impossible person so long as those
who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 21:12:19
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
Simon Brooke wrote:
>
> And as a follow-up to that, he says today (according to Eurosport this
> morning) that he /was/ in Mexico, and not in Italy, when another rider
> thought they recognised him in the Dolomites. I don't know whether this is
> true or not, but it ought to be possible to check air passenger manifests,
> airport boarding records, etc.
>
> If - I say /if/ - Rasmussen is telling the truth, was in Mexico, and can
> prove it, then we really are in a mess.
>
Rasmussen is a compulsive liar, it seems. Not only does he lie about
whom he talked to at the UCI about the late whereabouts notifications
last year, he lies to the press about his whereabouts when he already
confessed to his team that he really was in Italy in June. Does he
expect journalists to not check facts?
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 20:17:19
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:25 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
>"Pasta Nostra" <mafia@mafia.it> wrote in message
>news:3umfa3pobc0aejl90rviihgu2gv0lmaaja@4ax.com...
>>I guess the Chicken was in Italy doing the nasty drug thing with Dr
>>Ferrari.
>
>Or in Italy doing a complete workup by any one of a dozen high end training
>specialist of whom Ferrari is only one.
Bottom line is that he was lying about where he was. I was very insistent that
his failures to report were nothing more than administrative bother and as they
did not rise to an offense under the rules that it was absurd to give him any
shit about it. But actually telling falsehoods about your location is an
entirely different thing. And if your boss requires that you report your
whereabouts (and most insist on, at least, an accurate accounting of what
fucking continent you're on) then it's up to him to fire your ass if you lie
about it.
Chicken fucked up big time.
Ron
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:53:11
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
MrBob schreef:
> It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
> [...]
> PAU, France (AFP) - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was
> sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank team,
Yep. He has been dismissed, effective immediately, by his employer for
lying about where he was. The team (riders?) is still in chambers about
tomorrow's start.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 18:32:34
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
|
In article <46a7c654$0$240$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl >,
Ewoud Dronkert <firstname@lastname.net.invalid > wrote:
> MrBob schreef:
> > It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
> > [...]
> > PAU, France (AFP) - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was
> > sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank team,
>
> Yep. He has been dismissed, effective immediately, by his employer for
> lying about where he was. The team (riders?) is still in chambers about
> tomorrow's start.
Well, I sure hope they start. I want Boogard to be able to finish his last Tour
with some dignity. It's the least they can do for him.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:45:41
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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MrBob wrote:
> In article <Xns997891354F043FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
> William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>
>> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
>> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>>
>> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss
>> Elizabeth were still alive.
>
> It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
>
> From EuroSport:
>
> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
>
> Rasmussen out of Tour de France
> Wed 25 Jul, 10:22 PM
>
> PAU, France (AFP) - Yellow jersey wearer Michael Rasmussen was
> sensationally kicked out of the Tour de France by his own Rabobank
> team, the Dutch outfit revealed on Wednesday.
> The Dane had seemingly weathered the storm over missing four out of
> competition dope tests in the past 18 months and had won Wednesday's
> stage to all but seal overall victory.
> However the team has learnt that Rasmussen lied to them over where and
> what he was up to during the month of June when he was in fact in
> Italy and not in Mexico as he had told them.
> Rasmussen had won two stages during the Tour, though, his presence at
> the race was questioned by several officials and from the race
> organisers as well.
> His departure leaves young Spaniard Alberto Contador in the lead with
> Australian Cadel Evans in second.
>
Keep in mind I predicted this. Contador is next, then Evans and
Leipheimer. Kirchen is now safe since he's dropped down below Valverde.
¡Viva España!
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:45:21
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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"MrBob" <none@none.none > wrote in message
news:none-1E5B8B.17294725072007@news-server.socal.rr.com...
> In article <Xns997891354F043FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
> William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>
>> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
>> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>>
>> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss
>> Elizabeth
>> were still alive.
>
> It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
>
> From EuroSport:
>
> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
>
> Rasmussen out of Tour de France
Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 00:11:03
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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in message <RvPpi.59715$tB5.15339@edtnps90 >, Jim Flom
('jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net') wrote:
> "MrBob" <none@none.none> wrote in message
> news:none-1E5B8B.17294725072007@news-server.socal.rr.com...
>> In article <Xns997891354F043FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
>> William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>>
>>> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
>>> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>>>
>>> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss
>>> Elizabeth
>>> were still alive.
>>
>> It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
>>
>> From EuroSport:
>>
>> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
>>
>> Rasmussen out of Tour de France
>
> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
That would be Contador, ex Astana, ex Liberty Seguros, former protege of
Manuel Sainz, former client of Eufemio Fuentes? Ah, the new, clean, young
generation will save cycling...
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; Perl ... is the Brittney Spears of programming - easily accessible
;; but, in the final analysis, empty of any significant thought
;; Frank Adrian on Slashdot, 21st July 2003
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 03:21:21
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> That would be Contador, ex Astana, ex Liberty Seguros, former protege of
> Manuel Sainz, former client of Eufemio Fuentes? Ah, the new, clean, young
> generation will save cycling...
The new genration might be clean, but pro cyclings major problem is
spain - spanish riders, riders in spanish teams and forrign riders with
residence in spain are the ones to watch out for. Nothing has changed.
It used to be Italy but they have started their cleaining (in fact
they began before 98)
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 14:50:20
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
My guess is that Discovery would rather have a legit 2nd place than a 1st
place with an asterisk, even though the asterisk is due to the action of
another rider on another team. Actually two other riders on two other teams.
This could be the TdF that rivals the 84 Olympics.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net > wrote in message
news:RvPpi.59715$tB5.15339@edtnps90...
> "MrBob" <none@none.none> wrote in message
> news:none-1E5B8B.17294725072007@news-server.socal.rr.com...
>> In article <Xns997891354F043FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
>> William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>>
>>> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
>>> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>>>
>>> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss
>>> Elizabeth
>>> were still alive.
>>
>> It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
>>
>> From EuroSport:
>>
>> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
>>
>> Rasmussen out of Tour de France
>
> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
>
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:47:01
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:zAPpi.30283$C96.11057@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
>
> My guess is that Discovery would rather have a legit 2nd place than a 1st
> place with an asterisk, even though the asterisk is due to the action of
> another rider on another team. Actually two other riders on two other
> teams. This could be the TdF that rivals the 84 Olympics.
You can't seriously believe that Contador is going to be only 2 minutes
slower than Evans? There's even a chance that Levi is going to do a better
TT than Contador.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 18:28:42
From: Bob Palermo
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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My guess is that Discovery (previously Postal) is better than the other
teams at not getting caught. Considering the last two years, and admissions
from various former riders, I'm now of the feeling that many riders are
cheating. Does anyone seriously think that the few that get caught are the
only ones doing it. I no longer trust any of them and sadly, I don't feel
like watching cycle racing any more.
Perhaps they should just give up and let anyone do anything they want. At
least the playing field would then be level. (I'm not really advocating
this but saying it out of frustration.)
Bob P.
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:zAPpi.30283$C96.11057@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
>> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
>
> My guess is that Discovery would rather have a legit 2nd place than a 1st
> place with an asterisk, even though the asterisk is due to the action of
> another rider on another team. Actually two other riders on two other
> teams. This could be the TdF that rivals the 84 Olympics.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
>
> "Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:RvPpi.59715$tB5.15339@edtnps90...
>> "MrBob" <none@none.none> wrote in message
>> news:none-1E5B8B.17294725072007@news-server.socal.rr.com...
>>> In article <Xns997891354F043FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
>>> William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Withdrawm by his team, "for violating an internal rule."
>>>> > No stance on whether the team will start tomorrow.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Now we know whose bag got swapped with Vinokourov's.
>>>>
>>>> Man, this is better than WWE Smackdown. If only the Lovely Miss
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> were still alive.
>>>
>>> It's been reported that he lied to his team about his whereabouts:
>>>
>>> From EuroSport:
>>>
>>> http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25072007/3/rasmussen-tour-de-france.html
>>>
>>> Rasmussen out of Tour de France
>>
>> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
>>
>
>
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:48:11
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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"Bob Palermo" <rj_palermo@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:3MadnTYFYNl0QTrbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com...
> My guess is that Discovery (previously Postal) is better than the other
> teams at not getting caught.
Yeah and Team Barloworld are really clever too.
What a dumbass you are.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 20:51:39
From: Bob Palermo
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree and
explain why.
But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams, including
Discovery are clean?
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
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> "Bob Palermo" <rj_palermo@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:3MadnTYFYNl0QTrbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> My guess is that Discovery (previously Postal) is better than the other
>> teams at not getting caught.
>
> Yeah and Team Barloworld are really clever too.
>
> What a dumbass you are.
>
>
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 02:03:33
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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"Bob Palermo" <rj_palermo@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:drudnV_UltK4YzrbnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree and
> explain why.
So you WEREN'T name calling?
> But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
> only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams,
> including Discovery are clean?
I see you have your lynch rope oiled nice and shiny. After all, you're such
a knowledgeable dumbass that you have convicted every one of them.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:38:07
From: Bob Palermo
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Was I calling you a name? No.
Have you yet said whether you think only 3 guys are "dirty" in the tour this
year? No. I really would like to hear your opinion on this. But
apparently you are not going to tell us.
Actually, I really don't want to think that there is rampant cheating going
on. (It ruins it for me to think to watch if I think it's the case.) But, to
me the evidence points to it. Whole teams pull themselves out of the race. A
rider is pulled even when he has not tested positive. Several top riders
were banned from the tour last year and this year. Last year's winner tested
positive. Etc. To me, it's naive to think that there are only a few "bad
apples"
All riders train extremely hard, and are performing near the top of their
capabilities. The additional few percent they get from, say a Vino like
"transfusion" makes a big difference. It did for Vino. Seemed like it did
for Landis last year though I don't understand how the type of doping he did
(some sort of testosterone) would help him overnight.
So in your what makes Discovery or Barloworld are definitely clean? They are
competing against some other teams that are cheating, yet they are up near
the top. Is it that their training techniques are better than the other
teams? Or is it their race strategy? It just doesn't add up for me.
I respect your right to view it differently and come to a different
conclusion. But your personal namecalling, that I don't respect.
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
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> "Bob Palermo" <rj_palermo@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:drudnV_UltK4YzrbnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Why resort to name calling? You could have just said that you disagree
>> and explain why.
>
> So you WEREN'T name calling?
>
>> But anyway, why do you say I'm a "dumbass"? Do you think only there are
>> only 3 "dirty" riders in the tour this year? All the other teams,
>> including Discovery are clean?
>
> I see you have your lynch rope oiled nice and shiny. After all, you're
> such a knowledgeable dumbass that you have convicted every one of them.
>
>
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 11:35:48
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Bob Palermo <rj_palermo@comcast.net > wrote:
> All riders train extremely hard, and are performing near the top of their
> capabilities. The additional few percent they get from, say a Vino like
> "transfusion" makes a big difference. It did for Vino. Seemed like it did
> for Landis last year though I don't understand how the type of doping he did
> (some sort of testosterone) would help him overnight.
revorery, thestesorone bandages are easy to use and efficient - even
when in competition, you just have to remove the bandage before the
dose exeds whats detectable in current tests.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 04:31:57
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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"Bob Palermo" <rj_palermo@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:5YCdnex2XeKUlDXbnZ2dnUVZ_ryqnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Was I calling you a name? No.
So you really believe that throwing the stupid crap you wrote around is OK
because it was about me personally? Kiss my guess what?
> Have you yet said whether you think only 3 guys are "dirty" in the tour
> this year? No. I really would like to hear your opinion on this. But
> apparently you are not going to tell us.
Unlike you, I don't believe that inventing fairey tales somehow qualifies me
to besmirch other people's reputations as a fun filled hobby.
> Actually, I really don't want to think that there is rampant cheating
> going on. (It ruins it for me to think to watch if I think it's the case.)
> But, to me the evidence points to it.
By all means explain what "evidence" you have any personal knowledge of.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 22:32:18
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Rasmussen out
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Ironic that such a gift should come to Disco in this way.
>
> My guess is that Discovery would rather have a legit 2nd place than a 1st
> place with an asterisk, even though the asterisk is due to the action of
> another rider on another team. Actually two other riders on two other teams.
> This could be the TdF that rivals the 84 Olympics.
>
What asterisk? The race is still in progress. As of today, the winner is still to be decided in Paris. People drop out for all sorts of reasons.
Hidden camera catches Bruyneel's face as he flips open his cell phone and gets the news. His response was which of the following:
1. "No sh*t!", said with a big grin.
2. "Oh, sh*t!", said with a big frown.
3. "Sh*t!", said with total disgust.
My money's on 1.
Dan
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