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Date: 09 Jul 2007 13:30:08
From: Keith
Subject: Ricco gets a raise 15x !
Looks like someone is soon going to be smiling all the way to the
bank ! I'm surpised he wasn't making more than €40k this year, but
that's without the sharing of the team prizes I guess.

He's going to have to improve his ITT if he wants to win a grand tour
though.

"Riccò, winner of the Giro's Tre Cime di Lavaredo stage and friend of
Simoni, has prolonged his contract with Mario Gianetti's Saunier team
at an estimated €600,000. The contract, upped greatly from his current
€40,000 contract, reportedly includes a table of premiums that would
increase his salary. In the event of a Giro victory the figure would
reportedly double, while a Tour win would see the numbers increase
four fold. "

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jul07/jul09news&from=rss




 
Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:03:52
From: jerry in vermont
Subject: Re: Ricco gets a raise 15x !
On Jul 10, 1:01 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:87fy3wi8zq.fsf@azurservers.com,
> Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a
> d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
> > jerry in vermont <engenuity...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >>> Art. 10
> >>> The rider shall be entitled to a fixed remuneration, the annual
> >>> mini- mum gross amount of which shall be fixed as follows :
> >>> Professional
> >>> Continental Teams New professional Other rider
> >>> 21'500 25'000
> >>> 2006
> >>> UCI ProTeams New Professional Other rider
> >>> 24'000 30'000
> >>> 2006
> >>> The remuneration of the years 2007 and 2008 will be negotiated
> >>> by the parties and will be subject to an amendment to this agree-
> >>> ment. In the event that no agreement can be found, the amounts of
> >>> 2006 will remain in force.
> >>> In particular situations and in the interest of the development of
> >>> cycling, the UCI ProTour Council may decide exemptions on the joint
> >>> proposal of the signatories of this agreement.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
> >>> -
> >>> Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to
> >>> conformity and a blind desire for safety and security.- Hide quoted
> >>> text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> wow 24k dreamers. that is not alot for 100 races a year!
>
> > I do believe that it isn't legal to fix minimum salaries in some
> > countries and some riders could be riding for less
>
> > France and Ukraine come to mind??? Anybody know for sure?
>
> I know for sure for both countries. The salary can be set within a stand=
ard
> workers' rate sheet, but there is no obligation for either country to
> enforce in behalf of UCI.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

all interesting info. I think I must have had in mind the minimum
salary for a foreign rider to sign on a team in Belgium. As I recall,
Page had a tough time landing deals with Palmans and Fidea a couple
years ago cause they would have had to pay him quite alot to make it
legal for him to work in country/get work visa to live there. Plus
somethign to do with having to provide health insurance, or pay for it
or some such.

Made it a real uphill battle for a non EC rider to make the transition
onto a euro team and do it legally and be able to stay in country all
year (as opposed to short periods of time).



 
Date: 10 Jul 2007 06:48:58
From: jerry in vermont
Subject: Re: Ricco gets a raise 15x !
On Jul 9, 2:46=C2=A0pm, Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> jerry in vermont <engenuity...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 7:30=C2=A0am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> Looks like someone is soon going to be smiling all the way to the
> >> bank ! I'm surpised he wasn't making more than =E2=82=AC40k this year,=
but
> >> that's without the sharing of the team prizes I guess.
>
> >> He's going to have to improve his ITT if he wants to win a grand tour
> >> though.
>
> >> "Ricc=C3=B2, winner of the Giro's Tre Cime di Lavaredo stage and frien=
d of
> >> Simoni, has prolonged his contract with Mario Gianetti's Saunier team
> >> at an estimated =E2=82=AC600,000. The contract, upped greatly from his=
current
> >> =E2=82=AC40,000 contract, reportedly includes a table of premiums that=
would
> >> increase his salary. In the event of a Giro victory the figure would
> >> reportedly double, while a Tour win would see the numbers increase
> >> four fold. "
>
> >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2007/jul07/jul09news&from=
.=2E.
>
> > i thought D1 teams had a minimum salary of like 60k euro and health
> > insurance? =C2=A0I forget where I saw that, been a couple years. =C2=A0=
Anyone
> > know the deal on min salary?
>
> http://www.http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2agree-E.pdf
>
> Art. 10
> The rider shall be entitled to a fixed remuneration, the annual mini-
> mum gross amount of which shall be fixed as follows :
> Professional
> Continental Teams =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 New professio=
nal =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Other rider
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 21'500 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 25'000
> 2006
> UCI ProTeams =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0New Professional =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Other rider
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 24'000 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 30'000
> 2006
> The remuneration of the years 2007 and 2008 will be negotiated
> by the parties and will be subject to an amendment to this agree-
> ment. In the event that no agreement can be found, the amounts of
> 2006 will remain in force.
> In particular situations and in the interest of the development of
> cycling, the UCI ProTour Council may decide exemptions on the joint
> proposal of the signatories of this agreement.
>
> --
> Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
> -
> Patriotism is more closely linked =C2=A0to dissent than it is to conformi=
ty
> and a blind desire for safety and security.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

wow 24k dreamers. that is not alot for 100 races a year!



  
Date: 10 Jul 2007 17:17:13
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Ricco gets a raise 15x !
jerry in vermont <engenuityinc@hotmail.com > writes:

>> Art. 10
>> The rider shall be entitled to a fixed remuneration, the annual mini-
>> mum gross amount of which shall be fixed as follows :
>> Professional
>> Continental Teams             New professional          Other rider
>>                                     21'500               25'000
>> 2006
>> UCI ProTeams                  New Professional          Other rider
>>                                     24'000               30'000
>> 2006
>> The remuneration of the years 2007 and 2008 will be negotiated
>> by the parties and will be subject to an amendment to this agree-
>> ment. In the event that no agreement can be found, the amounts of
>> 2006 will remain in force.
>> In particular situations and in the interest of the development of
>> cycling, the UCI ProTour Council may decide exemptions on the joint
>> proposal of the signatories of this agreement.
>>
>> --
>> Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
>> -
>> Patriotism is more closely linked  to dissent than it is to conformity
>> and a blind desire for safety and security.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> wow 24k dreamers. that is not alot for 100 races a year!
>

I do believe that it isn't legal to fix minimum salaries in some
countries and some riders could be riding for less

France and Ukraine come to mind??? Anybody know for sure?

Also here's the correct URL for the full PDF file of the Contract
regulations as it seemed to have been mangled when I posted originally


http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2agree-E.pdf

--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
-
MISSING PERSON ALERT

Please call the Police

The BBC (http://azurservers.com/rbr/blind-bbc.jpg) have lost a
Candidate in the Sedgefield Bye-Election. Missing from what is
described by the BBC as a FULL list of Candidates is British National
Party's Andrew Spence - Just another example of the BBC's impartial
reporting unfortunately


   
Date: 10 Jul 2007 19:01:14
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Ricco gets a raise 15x !
Dans le message de news:87fy3wi8zq.fsf@azurservers.com,
Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :
> jerry in vermont <engenuityinc@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>> Art. 10
>>> The rider shall be entitled to a fixed remuneration, the annual
>>> mini- mum gross amount of which shall be fixed as follows :
>>> Professional
>>> Continental Teams New professional Other rider
>>> 21'500 25'000
>>> 2006
>>> UCI ProTeams New Professional Other rider
>>> 24'000 30'000
>>> 2006
>>> The remuneration of the years 2007 and 2008 will be negotiated
>>> by the parties and will be subject to an amendment to this agree-
>>> ment. In the event that no agreement can be found, the amounts of
>>> 2006 will remain in force.
>>> In particular situations and in the interest of the development of
>>> cycling, the UCI ProTour Council may decide exemptions on the joint
>>> proposal of the signatories of this agreement.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
>>> -
>>> Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to
>>> conformity and a blind desire for safety and security.- Hide quoted
>>> text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> wow 24k dreamers. that is not alot for 100 races a year!
>>
>
> I do believe that it isn't legal to fix minimum salaries in some
> countries and some riders could be riding for less
>
> France and Ukraine come to mind??? Anybody know for sure?

I know for sure for both countries. The salary can be set within a standard
workers' rate sheet, but there is no obligation for either country to
enforce in behalf of UCI.




 
Date: 09 Jul 2007 10:12:56
From: jerry in vermont
Subject: Re: Ricco gets a raise 15x !
On Jul 9, 7:30=C2=A0am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
> Looks like someone is soon going to be smiling all the way to the
> bank ! I'm surpised he wasn't making more than =E2=82=AC40k this year, but
> that's without the sharing of the team prizes I guess.
>
> He's going to have to improve his ITT if he wants to win a grand tour
> though.
>
> "Ricc=C3=B2, winner of the Giro's Tre Cime di Lavaredo stage and friend of
> Simoni, has prolonged his contract with Mario Gianetti's Saunier team
> at an estimated =E2=82=AC600,000. The contract, upped greatly from his cu=
rrent
> =E2=82=AC40,000 contract, reportedly includes a table of premiums that wo=
uld
> increase his salary. In the event of a Giro victory the figure would
> reportedly double, while a Tour win would see the numbers increase
> four fold. "
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2007/jul07/jul09news&from...

i thought D1 teams had a minimum salary of like 60k euro and health
insurance? I forget where I saw that, been a couple years. Anyone
know the deal on min salary?




  
Date: 09 Jul 2007 20:46:14
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Ricco gets a raise 15x !
jerry in vermont <engenuityinc@hotmail.com > writes:

> On Jul 9, 7:30 am, Keith <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Looks like someone is soon going to be smiling all the way to the
>> bank ! I'm surpised he wasn't making more than €40k this year, but
>> that's without the sharing of the team prizes I guess.
>>
>> He's going to have to improve his ITT if he wants to win a grand tour
>> though.
>>
>> "Riccò, winner of the Giro's Tre Cime di Lavaredo stage and friend of
>> Simoni, has prolonged his contract with Mario Gianetti's Saunier team
>> at an estimated €600,000. The contract, upped greatly from his current
>> €40,000 contract, reportedly includes a table of premiums that would
>> increase his salary. In the event of a Giro victory the figure would
>> reportedly double, while a Tour win would see the numbers increase
>> four fold. "
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jul07/jul09news&from...
>
> i thought D1 teams had a minimum salary of like 60k euro and health
> insurance? I forget where I saw that, been a couple years. Anyone
> know the deal on min salary?
>


http://www.http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/2agree-E.pdf


Art. 10
The rider shall be entitled to a fixed remuneration, the annual mini-
mum gross amount of which shall be fixed as follows :
Professional
Continental Teams New professional Other rider
21'500 25'000
2006
UCI ProTeams New Professional Other rider
24'000 30'000
2006
The remuneration of the years 2007 and 2008 will be negotiated
by the parties and will be subject to an amendment to this agree-
ment. In the event that no agreement can be found, the amounts of
2006 will remain in force.
In particular situations and in the interest of the development of
cycling, the UCI ProTour Council may decide exemptions on the joint
proposal of the signatories of this agreement.

--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
-
Patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity
and a blind desire for safety and security.