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Date: 25 May 2007 15:32:30
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis' confession well
ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not quite what I expected.
Great to get mainstream publicity, I guess???
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 25 May 2007 21:34:43
From: Hunter
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 10:28 am, Dan Gregory
<dangreg...@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
> > Who would you give the jersey to?
>
> 39. Chris Boardman (Gbr) =E0 1h27'44"
No, it should go to Greg Lemond as a make-up "virtual win."
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Date: 25 May 2007 14:00:01
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 5:02 pm, Stu Fleming <stew...@wic.co.nz > wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> > Dan Gregory wrote:
> >>> my RSS is quicker than yours
> >>> ;-))
>
> > William Asher wrote:
> >> I tried RSS but kept getting dropped, which is a lot like racing for most
> >> of the members of this forum.
>
> > Its all about band width.
>
> e.g. "Metallica is a band width guitars."
Ouch!
Bill C
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Date: 25 May 2007 12:17:02
From:
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 1:11 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:I3E5i.4007$C96.1247@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,
> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a
> d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
> > DirtRoadie wrote:
> >> The ESPN site said:
> >> "Riis said he no long considered himself a worthy winner of the Tour,
> >> and indicated he would be willing to give back the title."
>
> >> So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
> >> would be ... Oops, never mind.
>
> > Let's expand in that a little:
>
> > 1 Bjarne Riis DK 95 57'16"
> > 2 Jan Ullrich D 1'41"
> > 3 Richard Virenque F 4'37"
> > 4 Laurent Dufaux CH 5'53"
> > 5 Peter Luttenberger AUT 7'07"
> > 6 Luc Leblanc F 10'03"
> > 7 Piotr Ugrumov LET 10'04"
> > 8 Fernando Escartin E 10'26"
> > 9 Abraham Olano E 11'00"
> > 10 Tony Rominger CH 11'53"
>
> > Who would you give the jersey to?
>
> > Bjarne should just keep it.
>
> > Bob Schwartz
>
> EXACTLY! it's only the little minds on RBR who have some unimaginable st=
ake
> in changing all the results. The riders know that it is irrelevant.
>
> I get the feeling that some writers, here, want to go back to their booki=
es
> to settle scores. Cycle racing is something they just plain don't
> understand.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"=2E..go back to their bookies to settle scores." LOL!
Would love to hear that conversation! That would have to make "Who's
On First?" seem rather lame by comparison.
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Date: 25 May 2007 16:15:58
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On 25 May 2007 12:17:02 -0700, VeloMellow@gmail.com wrote:
>"...go back to their bookies to settle scores." LOL!
>
>Would love to hear that conversation! That would have to make "Who's
>On First?" seem rather lame by comparison.
So do they recompute the odds, or go with the originals? The rewriting
of history needs to be left to the professionals - its not a pretty
thing.
Curtis L. Russell
Why does "Back to the Future III" keep coming to mind?
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Date: 25 May 2007 11:09:37
From:
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 10:11 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:I3E5i.4007$C96.1247@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,
> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a
> d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
> > DirtRoadie wrote:
> >> The ESPN site said:
> >> "Riis said he no long considered himself a worthy winner of the Tour,
> >> and indicated he would be willing to give back the title."
>
> >> So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
> >> would be ... Oops, never mind.
>
> > Let's expand in that a little:
>
> > 1 Bjarne Riis DK 95 57'16"
> > 2 Jan Ullrich D 1'41"
> > 3 Richard Virenque F 4'37"
> > 4 Laurent Dufaux CH 5'53"
> > 5 Peter Luttenberger AUT 7'07"
> > 6 Luc Leblanc F 10'03"
> > 7 Piotr Ugrumov LET 10'04"
> > 8 Fernando Escartin E 10'26"
> > 9 Abraham Olano E 11'00"
> > 10 Tony Rominger CH 11'53"
>
> > Who would you give the jersey to?
>
> > Bjarne should just keep it.
>
> > Bob Schwartz
>
> EXACTLY! it's only the little minds on RBR who have some unimaginable st=
ake
> in changing all the results. The riders know that it is irrelevant.
>
> I get the feeling that some writers, here, want to go back to their booki=
es
> to settle scores. Cycle racing is something they just plain don't
> understand.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hopefully they do what is right and give the jersey to Virenque, since
T Mobile was full of dopers. FRANCE WINS! FRANCE WINS!!!!
RVD
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Date: 25 May 2007 10:22:42
From:
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 10:11 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:I3E5i.4007$C96.1247@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,
> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a
> d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
> > DirtRoadie wrote:
> >> The ESPN site said:
> >> "Riis said he no long considered himself a worthy winner of the Tour,
> >> and indicated he would be willing to give back the title."
>
> >> So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
> >> would be ... Oops, never mind.
>
> > Let's expand in that a little:
>
> > 1 Bjarne Riis DK 95 57'16"
> > 2 Jan Ullrich D 1'41"
> > 3 Richard Virenque F 4'37"
> > 4 Laurent Dufaux CH 5'53"
> > 5 Peter Luttenberger AUT 7'07"
> > 6 Luc Leblanc F 10'03"
> > 7 Piotr Ugrumov LET 10'04"
> > 8 Fernando Escartin E 10'26"
> > 9 Abraham Olano E 11'00"
> > 10 Tony Rominger CH 11'53"
>
> > Who would you give the jersey to?
>
> > Bjarne should just keep it.
>
> > Bob Schwartz
>
> EXACTLY! it's only the little minds on RBR who have some unimaginable st=
ake
> in changing all the results. The riders know that it is irrelevant.
>
> I get the feeling that some writers, here, want to go back to their booki=
es
> to settle scores. Cycle racing is something they just plain don't
> understand.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hopefully they do what is right and give the jersey to Virenque, since
T Mobile was full of dopers. FRANCE WINS! FRANCE WINS!!!!
RVD
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Date: 25 May 2007 10:19:11
From:
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 10:11 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:I3E5i.4007$C96.1247@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,
> Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a
> d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
> > DirtRoadie wrote:
> >> The ESPN site said:
> >> "Riis said he no long considered himself a worthy winner of the Tour,
> >> and indicated he would be willing to give back the title."
>
> >> So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
> >> would be ... Oops, never mind.
>
> > Let's expand in that a little:
>
> > 1 Bjarne Riis DK 95 57'16"
> > 2 Jan Ullrich D 1'41"
> > 3 Richard Virenque F 4'37"
> > 4 Laurent Dufaux CH 5'53"
> > 5 Peter Luttenberger AUT 7'07"
> > 6 Luc Leblanc F 10'03"
> > 7 Piotr Ugrumov LET 10'04"
> > 8 Fernando Escartin E 10'26"
> > 9 Abraham Olano E 11'00"
> > 10 Tony Rominger CH 11'53"
>
> > Who would you give the jersey to?
>
> > Bjarne should just keep it.
>
> > Bob Schwartz
>
> EXACTLY! it's only the little minds on RBR who have some unimaginable st=
ake
> in changing all the results. The riders know that it is irrelevant.
>
> I get the feeling that some writers, here, want to go back to their booki=
es
> to settle scores. Cycle racing is something they just plain don't
> understand.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hopefully they do what is right and give the jersey to Virenque, since
T Mobile was full of dopers. FRANCE WINS! FRANCE WINS!!!!
RVD
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Date: 25 May 2007 10:02:43
From:
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 10:32 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis' confession well
> ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not quite what I expected.
>
> Great to get mainstream publicity, I guess???
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Maybe because they were too busy covering actual racing?
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Date: 25 May 2007 17:13:51
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis' confession well
> ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not quite what I expected.
I saw it first on
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/20070525_170254Dev.html
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Date: 25 May 2007 19:13:16
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Dans le message de news:5bog8dF2tk6lmU3@mid.individual.net,
Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > a réfléchi, et puis
a déclaré :
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis' confession
>> well ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not quite what I
>> expected.
>
> I saw it first on
> http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/20070525_170254Dev.html
No, I did - RSS. This is a racing forum, remember.
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Date: 25 May 2007 18:55:24
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Sandy wrote:
> Dans le message de news:5bog8dF2tk6lmU3@mid.individual.net,
> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> a réfléchi, et puis
> a déclaré :
>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis' confession
>>> well ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not quite what I
>>> expected.
>> I saw it first on
>> http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/20070525_170254Dev.html
>
> No, I did - RSS. This is a racing forum, remember.
>
>
my RSS is quicker than yours
;-))
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Date: 25 May 2007 20:31:17
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Dans le message de news:5bom7sF2trvfeU2@mid.individual.net,
Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > a réfléchi, et puis
a déclaré :
> Sandy wrote:
>> Dans le message de news:5bog8dF2tk6lmU3@mid.individual.net,
>> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> a réfléchi,
>> et puis a déclaré :
>>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis'
>>>> confession well ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not
>>>> quite what I expected.
>>> I saw it first on
>>> http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/20070525_170254Dev.html
>>
>> No, I did - RSS. This is a racing forum, remember.
>>
>>
> my RSS is quicker than yours
> ;-))
I read that before you finished typing it.
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Date: 25 May 2007 18:21:49
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Dan Gregory wrote:
> Sandy wrote:
>> Dans le message de news:5bog8dF2tk6lmU3@mid.individual.net,
>> Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> a réfléchi,
>> et puis a déclaré :
>>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis'
>>>> confession well ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not
>>>> quite what I expected.
>>> I saw it first on
>>> http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/20070525_170254Dev.html
>>
>> No, I did - RSS. This is a racing forum, remember.
>>
>>
> my RSS is quicker than yours
> ;-))
I tried RSS but kept getting dropped, which is a lot like racing for most
of the members of this forum.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 25 May 2007 21:06:15
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Dan Gregory wrote:
>> my RSS is quicker than yours
>> ;-))
William Asher wrote:
> I tried RSS but kept getting dropped, which is a lot like racing for most
> of the members of this forum.
Its all about band width.
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Date: 26 May 2007 09:02:13
From: Stu Fleming
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Dan Gregory wrote:
>>> my RSS is quicker than yours
>>> ;-))
>
> William Asher wrote:
>> I tried RSS but kept getting dropped, which is a lot like racing for most
>> of the members of this forum.
>
> Its all about band width.
>
e.g. "Metallica is a band width guitars."
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Date: 26 May 2007 18:51:54
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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William Asher wrote:
>>> I tried RSS but kept getting dropped, which is a lot like racing for most
>>> of the members of this forum.
Donald Munro wrote:
>> Its all about band width.
>>
Stu Fleming wrote:
> e.g. "Metallica is a band width guitars."
I didn't know Metallica were from New York.
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Date: 25 May 2007 19:28:34
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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In article <46574dc0$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz >, Stu Fleming <stewart@wic.co.nz> wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> > Dan Gregory wrote:
> >>> my RSS is quicker than yours
> >>> ;-))
> >
> > William Asher wrote:
> >> I tried RSS but kept getting dropped, which is a lot like racing for most
> >> of the members of this forum.
> >
> > Its all about band width.
> >
>
> e.g. "Metallica is a band width guitars."
Well, Leslie West (of Mountain) had a lot of band width - he was known as the
Great Fatsby.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 26 May 2007 04:07:37
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote in
news:YOURhoward-4BD008.19283425052007@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
> Well, Leslie West (of Mountain) had a lot of band width - he was
> known as the Great Fatsby.
Time to enter the old "wayback machine" and return to the golden years:
http://tinyurl.com/yqbu5p
Here's the studio version:
http://tinyurl.com/2zdxna
Rock on.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 26 May 2007 20:21:01
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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In article <Xns993BD6FB54C31FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4 >, William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in
> news:YOURhoward-4BD008.19283425052007@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
>
> > Well, Leslie West (of Mountain) had a lot of band width - he was
> > known as the Great Fatsby.
>
> Time to enter the old "wayback machine" and return to the golden years:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yqbu5p
>
> Here's the studio version:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2zdxna
>
> Rock on.
Okay, he doesn't have that much "band width" yet, but give hime time. Zanger Bob:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SyHu4xMroc
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 27 May 2007 03:38:35
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote in
news:YOURhoward-7A1626.20210126052007@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
<snip >
>
> Okay, he doesn't have that much "band width" yet, but give hime
> time. Zanger Bob:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SyHu4xMroc
>
Holy mother mary of god, another fat kid thread.
Katie bar the door!
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 25 May 2007 09:09:38
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 9:32 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis' confession well
> ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not quite what I expected.
I watched the live video feed (not in English) but MSNBC was the first
place I saw a written summary (In English) of what was said.
The ESPN site said:
"Riis said he no long considered himself a worthy winner of the Tour,
and indicated he would be willing to give back the title."
So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
would be ... Oops, never mind.
DR
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Date: 25 May 2007 11:23:05
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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DirtRoadie wrote:
> The ESPN site said:
> "Riis said he no long considered himself a worthy winner of the Tour,
> and indicated he would be willing to give back the title."
>
> So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
> would be ... Oops, never mind.
Let's expand in that a little:
1 Bjarne Riis DK 95 57'16"
2 Jan Ullrich D 1'41"
3 Richard Virenque F 4'37"
4 Laurent Dufaux CH 5'53"
5 Peter Luttenberger AUT 7'07"
6 Luc Leblanc F 10'03"
7 Piotr Ugrumov LET 10'04"
8 Fernando Escartin E 10'26"
9 Abraham Olano E 11'00"
10 Tony Rominger CH 11'53"
Who would you give the jersey to?
Bjarne should just keep it.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 25 May 2007 21:18:52
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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DirtRoadie wrote:
>> So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
>> would be ... Oops, never mind.
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Let's expand in that a little:
>
> 1 Bjarne Riis DK 95 57'16"
> 2 Jan Ullrich D 1'41"
> 3 Richard Virenque F 4'37"
> 4 Laurent Dufaux CH 5'53"
> 5 Peter Luttenberger AUT 7'07"
> 6 Luc Leblanc F 10'03"
> 7 Piotr Ugrumov LET 10'04"
> 8 Fernando Escartin E 10'26"
> 9 Abraham Olano E 11'00"
> 10 Tony Rominger CH 11'53"
Hallelujah , irony lives despite repeated attempted murders by rbr.
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Date: 25 May 2007 19:11:42
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Dans le message de news:I3E5i.4007$C96.1247@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :
> DirtRoadie wrote:
>> The ESPN site said:
>> "Riis said he no long considered himself a worthy winner of the Tour,
>> and indicated he would be willing to give back the title."
>>
>> So the 1996 Maillot Jaune would now go to the runner-up? And that
>> would be ... Oops, never mind.
>
> Let's expand in that a little:
>
> 1 Bjarne Riis DK 95 57'16"
> 2 Jan Ullrich D 1'41"
> 3 Richard Virenque F 4'37"
> 4 Laurent Dufaux CH 5'53"
> 5 Peter Luttenberger AUT 7'07"
> 6 Luc Leblanc F 10'03"
> 7 Piotr Ugrumov LET 10'04"
> 8 Fernando Escartin E 10'26"
> 9 Abraham Olano E 11'00"
> 10 Tony Rominger CH 11'53"
>
> Who would you give the jersey to?
>
> Bjarne should just keep it.
>
> Bob Schwartz
EXACTLY! it's only the little minds on RBR who have some unimaginable stake
in changing all the results. The riders know that it is irrelevant.
I get the feeling that some writers, here, want to go back to their bookies
to settle scores. Cycle racing is something they just plain don't
understand.
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Date: 25 May 2007 17:28:38
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
> Who would you give the jersey to?
39. Chris Boardman (Gbr) à 1h27'44"
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Date: 25 May 2007 08:53:10
From: 7h@ch
Subject: Re: Riis admits to EPO... ESPN gets it before bike sites
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On May 25, 8:32 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> ESPN (and presumably others) carried the news about Riis' confession well
> ahead of Cyclingnews.com and Velonews.com. Not quite what I expected.
>
> Great to get mainstream publicity, I guess???
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Dude, even wikipedia got it before bike sites.
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