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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:05:14
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Subject: Riis out of the Tour record books
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I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.
-ilan
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 12:04:22
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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Simon Brooke wrote:
> Dusty, could we possibly persuade you to use a news client that handles
> attributions properly? There's a good chap.
Um, I pre-apologized.
When I read it, my non-conventional quoting style seemed to be very
understandable.
Especially if one were following the thread.
Different isn't easy sometimes, I realize.
An exception to my usual careful attribution-ing.
--D-y
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 00:18:51
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 11:59 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Jun 7, 9:34 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 7, 8:53 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Be fair to the Tour organizers. They aren't throwing
> > > Riis down the memory hole for having used doping.
> > > They are airbrushing him for having admitted it.
> > > In that sense, it is a consistent philosophical
> > > position.
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > What did they do with Pantani's win?
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Pantani didn't throw his books open and admit
> everything, did he? Plus he's dead and the ASO
> can't pick on him too much without seeming
> ghoulish. I hate to sound like Laff@me ranting
> about omerta, but Riis committed honesty and that's
> the one crime that is truly unforgivable.
Dumbass -
Have Spotted Dick's mountains jerseys been taken off the books?
I doubt it.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 05:39:26
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 8, 1:09 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Jun 7, 9:50 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 7, 7:51 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'd
> > > imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did admit to
> > > steroid use
>
> > Dude, Alzedo would be a great choice if he were actually in the
> > focking HOF. That's like saying Charles Manson should be impeached if
> > he ever happened to be elected president.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Charles Manson may be a crazed, cultlike murderer
> with a Messiah complex, but he isn't even impeachment-
> worthy on today's scale of job performance.
> At least Manson might have not ignited such a
> firestorm on a mission to bring salvation to the
> Middle East. Or if he had, he might have gone in
> with enough overwhelming force to finish the job.
> Manson had a thing for firepower.
I never said Manson was more impeachable than W did I? The fact that
impeachment was the first analogy that came to mind should tell you
my state of mind. (Setting myself up for one of TK's devastating one-
liners there)
Bret
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 05:27:27
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 8, 6:08 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <1181278239.812884.317...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 7:51 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > I'd imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did admit
> > > to steroid use
>
> > Dude, Alzedo would be a great choice if he were actually in the
> > focking HOF. That's like saying Charles Manson should be impeached if
> > he ever happened to be elected president.
>
> Heh, believe it or not, but I was aware that he wasn't in (I'd checked) but
> proceeded to forget to mention that aspect as I typed the post. Anyway, he was the
> first NFL guy I could think of who'd had a public acknowledgement of steroids (not
> saying there aren't others, just that I don't pay enough attention to football to
> care who they are).
Really? I just thought you were a delusional Raider fan. You're from
Colorado if your two favorite teams are the Broncos and whoever is
beating the crap out of the Raiders. Bill Romanowski is another good
example.
Bret
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 11:47:20
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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In article <1181366847.301532.123080@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 8, 6:08 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > In article <1181278239.812884.317...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 7, 7:51 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > > I'd imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he
> > > > did admit to steroid use
> >
> > > Dude, Alzedo would be a great choice if he were actually in the
> > > focking HOF. That's like saying Charles Manson should be impeached if
> > > he ever happened to be elected president.
> >
> > Heh, believe it or not, but I was aware that he wasn't in (I'd checked)
> > but proceeded to forget to mention that aspect as I typed the post. Anyway, he
> > was the first NFL guy I could think of who'd had a public acknowledgement of
> > steroids (not saying there aren't others, just that I don't pay enough attention
> > to football to care who they are).
>
> Really? I just thought you were a delusional Raider fan. You're from
> Colorado if your two favorite teams are the Broncos and whoever is
> beating the crap out of the Raiders. Bill Romanowski is another good
> example.
No, I don't give a damn about football in any way, but even less of a damn about
the Raiders. From what I've seen, Raiders fans are why a lot of people hate the
Raiders. There was a family friend (a teacher, mind you, so you'd like to think there
should be a bit of rationality going on) who would go into a huge funk if the Raiders
lost - "Now my whole week is ruined!" And the sad part? It really was ruined.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 02:12:14
From: ST
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On 6/7/07 8:05 AM, in article
1181228714.848256.90710@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, "ilanpsi@gmail.com"
<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote:
> I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
> -ilan
>
No.......
He is French! Duh!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:08:58
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 8, 8:08 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <1181278239.812884.317...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 7:51 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > > I'd imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did admit
> > > to steroid use
>
> > Dude, Alzedo would be a great choice if he were actually in the
> > focking HOF. That's like saying Charles Manson should be impeached if
> > he ever happened to be elected president.
>
> Heh, believe it or not, but I was aware that he wasn't in (I'd checked) but
> proceeded to forget to mention that aspect as I typed the post. Anyway, he was the
> first NFL guy I could think of who'd had a public acknowledgement of steroids (not
> saying there aren't others, just that I don't pay enough attention to football to
> care who they are).
>
> --
> tanx,
> Howard
>
> Never take a tenant with a monkey.
>
> remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
You could make a good case for Alzado for the HOF, except that he was
totally unmanageable and 95% out of control most of the time before
the steroid stuff became public. Along with Matuszak they were poster
children for how to piss off everyone. Tooz was flat out scary off the
field too. Loved to get wasted, did every drug known to man, loved to
fight and loved guns when wasted.
He was the poster child for "roid rage" and Alzado wasn't far behind.
Today both would have been kicked out of the league, or at least be
doing huge suspensions in a heartbeat.
Bill C
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 06:44:48
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 8, 9:58 am, "Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@the-md-russells.org >
wrote:
> <rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/09/MNGBQO...
>
> That is pretty pathetic. If the additional details about deliberately
> screwing up the guy's training are found to be true, the coach needs to be
> dismissed. Maybe three times. Once for what he did to the kid, once for
> putting his own agenda deliberately ahead of that of the school and its team
> and once for being too damn immature to lead anyone anywhere.
Dismissed? "I'm sorry, laddie, but we've got to let you
go." ....ummmm, no.
Either waterboarding (might as well put the technology to good use),
or toss him in the pool with some pissed off water polo players and no
ref. Essentially the same thing.
R
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 05:41:27
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 8:51 pm, Howard Kveck wrote:
(Ilan): I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win
off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.
(--D-y)
Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
carefully!)
(Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)
Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
inflicted black eye for cycling?
Contrast with USA football:
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=195
(Kurgan):
Dumbass -
There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
acquitted in the criminal trial.
Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
I agree that Simpson's troubles outside of sport shouldn't preclude
him from being
in the Football Hall of Fame - if you were serious about giving people
the boot, I'd
imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did
admit to
steroid use (as I recall) while a player. But I think it's moronic to
do that.
That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?
(H. Kveck):
Well, if people want to continue to admit their doping (or other
unsavory acts)
years after the fact, then the record books will look like a Freedom
of Information
Act release - full of black felt penned out sections. That's stupid.
(Hope I got the quotes right, everyone)
(Stating the obvious but still kinda fun dept.):
From:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/78/78rcowperthwaite.phtml
<Miles Cowperthwaite V/O: "Having had no seafaring experience, I was
surprised at how different the life of a sailor was from what I had
imagined. Our day began at dawn, where, after a hearty breakfast, we
had punishment 'til lunchtime. After lunch, there was more punishment
'til dinner. After dinner, we would pull up anchor and sail for an
hour, then drop anchor again for soem verbal humiliation, followed by
evening punishment. I imagine that the crew is quite used to it, for
in all my rounds with the ship surgeon, Dr. Pierce, I never once heard
a man complain." >
More punishment! But only for the crew, of course! Arrrrgh! --D-y
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 14:50:51
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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in message <1181306487.579367.58060@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com >,
dustoyevsky@mac.com ('dustoyevsky@mac.com') wrote:
> On Jun 7, 8:51 pm, Howard Kveck wrote:
>
> (Ilan): I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win
> off their
>
> (--D-y)
> Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
> carefully!)
>
> (Kurgan):
> Dumbass -
Dusty, could we possibly persuade you to use a news client that handles
attributions properly? There's a good chap.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; If any council in the country has anything to say to cyclists
;; about cycle paths, it should be: "We are terribly, terribly sorry."
- Zoe Williams, The Guardian, 13th Sept 2006
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 07:09:20
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 9:50 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 7, 7:51 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd
> > imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did admit to
> > steroid use
>
> Dude, Alzedo would be a great choice if he were actually in the
> focking HOF. That's like saying Charles Manson should be impeached if
> he ever happened to be elected president.
Dumbass,
Charles Manson may be a crazed, cultlike murderer
with a Messiah complex, but he isn't even impeachment-
worthy on today's scale of job performance.
At least Manson might have not ignited such a
firestorm on a mission to bring salvation to the
Middle East. Or if he had, he might have gone in
with enough overwhelming force to finish the job.
Manson had a thing for firepower.
Ben
p.s.
Well, we live in a trailer at the edge of town
You never see us 'cause we don't come around.
We got twenty five rifles just to keep the population down. ...
Well, I'm a barrel of laughs with my carbine on
I keep 'em hoppin', till my ammunition's gone.
But I'm still not happy, I feel like there's something wrong.
I got the revolution blues, I see bloody fountains
And ten million dune buggies comin' down the mountains.
(Neil Young, "Revolution Blues")
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 06:59:43
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 9:34 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 7, 8:53 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Be fair to the Tour organizers. They aren't throwing
> > Riis down the memory hole for having used doping.
> > They are airbrushing him for having admitted it.
> > In that sense, it is a consistent philosophical
> > position.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> What did they do with Pantani's win?
Dumbass,
Pantani didn't throw his books open and admit
everything, did he? Plus he's dead and the ASO
can't pick on him too much without seeming
ghoulish. I hate to sound like Laff@me ranting
about omerta, but Riis committed honesty and that's
the one crime that is truly unforgivable.
Ben
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 06:35:47
From:
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 8, 2:43 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> The record is the record, a chronologically ordered account of events.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/09/MNGBQOIBMQ1.DTL
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 10:21:35
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:35:47 -0000, rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
>On Jun 8, 2:43 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> The record is the record, a chronologically ordered account of events.
>
>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/09/MNGBQOIBMQ1.DTL
Wow.
I've known coaches who were petty and stupid that way, but usually they don't
get to be successful enough for this sort of Stalin-lite crap.
Ron
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 08:58:02
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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<rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181284547.915597.146240@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 8, 2:43 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> The record is the record, a chronologically ordered account of events.
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/09/MNGBQOIBMQ1.DTL
>
That is pretty pathetic. If the additional details about deliberately
screwing up the guy's training are found to be true, the coach needs to be
dismissed. Maybe three times. Once for what he did to the kid, once for
putting his own agenda deliberately ahead of that of the school and its team
and once for being too damn immature to lead anyone anywhere.
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 05:19:02
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 8, 1:48 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> * "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> a =E9crit
>
> >> The clean winners:
>
> >> Federico Bahamontes
> >> Lucien Van Impe
> >> Greg LeMond
>
> > Not having been implicated in doping affairs certainly doesn't mean bei=
ng
> > "clean". For instance, among the names printed in black are well-known =
users
> > as Robic, Ockers, Brankart, Fritz Schaer (nicknamed "Pillen-Fritz"), et=
c=2E
>
> You can wipe Federico too
>
> The Fix was in on that win - although I don(t know if dopage was also
> involved
>
Cheatin's cheatin'. He's out too then. So we remove Bahamontes and are
left with Van Impe and LeMond. We should then weigh their hearts
against a feather and see who's the 'cleanest' Tour winner. Against
the rest, we carry out a Stalinist purge for the final solution
(apologies for mixing genocide terms there).
Jeff
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 10:28:06
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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* Jeff Jones <drjones99@gmail.com > a écrit
> On Jun 8, 1:48 am, Davey Crockett <daveycrocket...@azurservers.com>
> wrote:
>> * "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> a écrit
>>
>> >> The clean winners:
>>
>> >> Federico Bahamontes
>> >> Lucien Van Impe
>> >> Greg LeMond
>>
>> > Not having been implicated in doping affairs certainly doesn't mean being
>> > "clean". For instance, among the names printed in black are well-known users
>> > as Robic, Ockers, Brankart, Fritz Schaer (nicknamed "Pillen-Fritz"), etc.
>>
>> You can wipe Federico too
>>
>> The Fix was in on that win - although I don(t know if dopage was also
>> involved
>>
> Cheatin's cheatin'. He's out too then. So we remove Bahamontes and are
> left with Van Impe and LeMond. We should then weigh their hearts
> against a feather and see who's the 'cleanest' Tour winner. Against
> the rest, we carry out a Stalinist purge for the final solution
> (apologies for mixing genocide terms there).
>
> Jeff
>
Right you are Jeff
It's one thing to look at the results and another thing entirely to
_know_ the reason behind the results.
There were two main factors determining the outcome of events Way Back
When besides the relative athletic capabilities of the riders.
Firstly There were some intense rivalries between individual riders
which bordered on Fued Status. Way up North in Classics Country there
was the Van Looy--Merckx Road Show with Belgium almost equally divided
in their Loyalties and it got so bad that the Van Looy crowd wouldn't
even drink in the same bar as the Merckx Mob. And Vice Versa of
course. In actual fact it is only in very recent times that Van-L and
Merckx buried the Hatchet and even condescended to speak to each other
directly. I saw an article on it somewhere quite recently. Maybe you
even wrote it?
Then down towards South-West there were a couple of Gladiators called
Jacques Anquetil and Raymond Poulidor who were every bit as Vengeful
in their Fued as their Belgian counterparts.
Secondly and possibly of even greater significance was the Absolute
Power that the Agents held over the riders in those days. They ware
God, literally.
Take the Worlds for instance. Year after year the French entered
Anquetil and Poulidor without any real success although both riders
had the potential of winning but never did because of the bitter
rivalry. It was so bad that they would only communicate with each
other through their wives!
But fast forward to 1966 when there was a Three Man Break. Pop-Pou,
Anquetil and, since the race was on the Famous Nürburgring auto racing
circuit in Germany, Local Laddie Rudi Altig was also
there. Nürburgring had been the scene of the first ever Worlds back in
1927 when Binda led home Girardengo and Piemontesi for an All Italian
Podium and the pressure was on Altig to produce a win.
As the race unfolded Poulidor and Anquetil dropped Altig and the
French Duo started playing cat and mouse far to early, whilst still
keeping the speed up so that Altig couldn't get back on.
But as the Break faltered somewhat, Altig, better than either
Frenchman in a sprint, made a fast deal with yet another Frenchman who
had no love for either Pou-Pou or Anquetil, resulting in the ludicrous
situation of Lucien Aimar literally burying himself to tow a German up
to his two French Team-Mates where Altig easily copped the win to the
cheers of his home turf crowd.
OK, enough of Rivalries and let's move on to the Power Brokers, the
Agents.
In the days when domestiques rode for little money, and many rode for
nothing at all except an occasional Prime, pay day for most riders was
in the Post-Tour Criteriums. And this was almost as true for the Stars
as it was for the Water Carriers, all of whom were paid Start Money
roughly in proportion to their ability to draw a crowd.
Now the greatest Start-Money in the 200 times around the Town Square
crits went to that years Tour Winner. But Anquetil who was an asshole
but who had won the Tour five times seldom got any more Start-Money
than Poulidor who was a likeable Country Bumpkin from Limousin.
Anquetil used a vicious Union-Corse* agent by the name of Daniel
Dousset whilst Poulidor used a more genteel agent by the name of Roger
Piel. These were the top agents, both former Bike Racers, and between
them they had the major riders and promotors sewn up. Not merely in
France but in much of Europe at that time. And they were vicious about
protecting their "Turf" and getting maximum money for their riders
because of course they were in for their Cut. If a rider switched
agents it wasn't unheard of for all of the jilted agent's riders,
regardless of what Trade or National Team they happened to be on, to
ride against the recalcitrant individual. Or if one crossed their
agant, he could wreck their career by simply not negotiating any
further contracts for him.
So in the 1959 Tour, you must read the results keeping in mind the
bitter rivalry between the two major agents, Dousset-Piel. The actual
results were Bahamontes, Anglade - who also rode for Piel - and
Anquetil. But why? Well Anquetil was dead set against Anglade, who
used Dousset's rival Piel as an agent, commanding more Start-Money
than himself in the post-Tour Crits should he win, a point of view
with which Dousset agreed 100 per cent. And Bahamontes, apart from
being a climber, had the bike handling skills of a novice rider in the
Citizens Race at a Gay Games and wouldn't be in the least interested
in any Crits
Dousset's solution? Let Bahamontes win because it's better for
everybody's pocket book.
Remember how they Booed Anquetil in the Parc des Princes stadium?
* Union Corse = French Mafia
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 04:50:39
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 7:51 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> I'd
> imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did admit to
> steroid use
Dude, Alzedo would be a great choice if he were actually in the
focking HOF. That's like saying Charles Manson should be impeached if
he ever happened to be elected president.
Bret
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:08:24
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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In article <1181278239.812884.317740@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com >,
Bret <bret.wade@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 7, 7:51 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> > I'd imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did admit
> > to steroid use
>
> Dude, Alzedo would be a great choice if he were actually in the
> focking HOF. That's like saying Charles Manson should be impeached if
> he ever happened to be elected president.
Heh, believe it or not, but I was aware that he wasn't in (I'd checked) but
proceeded to forget to mention that aspect as I typed the post. Anyway, he was the
first NFL guy I could think of who'd had a public acknowledgement of steroids (not
saying there aren't others, just that I don't pay enough attention to football to
care who they are).
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 21:34:33
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 8:53 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2:10 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>
> > <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> > > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> > > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> > > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
> > Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
> > the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
> > nonsense.
>
> Be fair to the Tour organizers. They aren't throwing
> Riis down the memory hole for having used doping.
> They are airbrushing him for having admitted it.
> In that sense, it is a consistent philosophical
> position.
Dumbass -
What did they do with Pantani's win?
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 03:53:14
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Jun 7, 2:10 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
> Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
> the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
> nonsense.
Be fair to the Tour organizers. They aren't throwing
Riis down the memory hole for having used doping.
They are airbrushing him for having admitted it.
In that sense, it is a consistent philosophical
position.
Ben
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 16:59:50
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 3:29 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> When humans start competing over who's the most morally outraged, it
> seems like they also compete to reach the level of absolute imbecile
> first.
Democrats are chickens. Republicans are eggs.
Who is Riis?
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 02:50:26
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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* SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com > a écrit
> On Jun 7, 3:29 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> When humans start competing over who's the most morally outraged, it
>> seems like they also compete to reach the level of absolute imbecile
>> first.
>
> Democrats are chickens. Republicans are eggs.
>
> Who is Riis?
Nerither DemoCrap or RepuppetCam
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:16:47
From:
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 11:05 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181239606.340882.182870@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 9:16 am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 7, 10:05 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> > I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> >> > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> >> > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> >> > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
> >> Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
> >> carefully!)
>
> >> (Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)
>
> >> Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
> >> inflicted black eye for cycling?
>
> >> Contrast with USA football:
>
> >>http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=195
>
> > Dumbass -
>
> > There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
> > acquitted in the criminal trial.
>
> > Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
> > arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
> > out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
> > business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
>
> > That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
> > haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?
>
> Simple. The first anti-doping rules are from 1965. Anquetil's last win in
> 1964.
>
> Benjo
Yes, but Thevenet admitted doping, so why didn't they take his name
off?
-ilan
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 01:39:19
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181258207.319918.246580@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 7, 11:05 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181239606.340882.182870@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 9:16 am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >> On Jun 7, 10:05 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> > I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off
>> >> > their
>> >> > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too.
>> >> > I
>> >> > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
>> >> > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>>
>> >> Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
>> >> carefully!)
>>
>> >> (Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)
>>
>> >> Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
>> >> inflicted black eye for cycling?
>>
>> >> Contrast with USA football:
>>
>> >>http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=195
>>
>> > Dumbass -
>>
>> > There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
>> > acquitted in the criminal trial.
>>
>> > Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
>> > arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
>> > out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
>> > business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
>>
>> > That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
>> > haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?
>>
>> Simple. The first anti-doping rules are from 1965. Anquetil's last win in
>> 1964.
>>
>> Benjo
>
> Yes, but Thevenet admitted doping, so why didn't they take his name
> off?
Perhaps they think it's a bit late. After all, he confessed almost 30 years
ago ... And in those days nobody wasn't so crazy or obsessed to suggest that
his name should be removed. .
Benjo
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:29:37
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Jun 7, 5:10 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181228714.848256.90710@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
> Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
> the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
> nonsense.
>
> Benjo
When humans start competing over who's the most morally outraged, it
seems like they also compete to reach the level of absolute imbecile
first.
Bill C
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 20:43:40
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:29:37 -0700, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>On Jun 7, 5:10 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote:
>> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181228714.848256.90710@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
>> > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
>> > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
>> > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>>
>> Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
>> the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
>> nonsense.
>>
>> Benjo
>
>When humans start competing over who's the most morally outraged, it
>seems like they also compete to reach the level of absolute imbecile
>first.
>Bill C
I can almost understand them wanting to make such a gesture, almost. What is
mind boggling is that they seem to think this is somehow good for the sport and
the Tour. It might teach everybody to just sit still and STFU about doping in
the past. Obviously there's no reward in it.
The record is the record, a chronologically ordered account of events. There's
plenty of room for footnotes and you can have all the asterisks and daggers and
double daggers and hemisemidemidaggers you can use.
Ron
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:10:33
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181228714.848256.90710@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
nonsense.
Benjo
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 08:51:39
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:5crai8F31lp4sU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1181228714.848256.90710@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
>> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
>> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
>> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
>
> Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors
> or the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
> nonsense.
>
> Benjo
Which, of course, why it is ludicrous. Sort of like proudly announcing that
you have removed the ink stain from your tie dye shirt. And if you really
become monomaniacal about it, you end up with a shirt that has nothing to do
with what it once was. But you can finally announce that it is definitely
clean.
Not that I am endorsing tie dye as a standard - the decade of tie dye club
jerseys is mercifully well behind us.
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:49:53
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 2:58 pm, Jeff Jones <drjone...@gmail.com > wrote:
> The clean winners:
>
> Federico Bahamontes
> Lucien Van Impe
> Greg LeMond
(with respect): But Lemond's instant performance recovery? The "iron
shot heard 'round the world"?
IOW, in light of recent revelations, Lemond looks no cleaner than
any. --D-y
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 19:58:47
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Jun 7, 4:05 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
Let's just erase all the records, otherwise they'll look pretty
patchy. According to http://cyclisme.dopage.free.fr/courses/tdf-palmares.htm,
all but *three* Tour winners since 1949 have been implicated in doping
related activity programs at some point during their careers.
The clean winners:
Federico Bahamontes
Lucien Van Impe
Greg LeMond
Jeff
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:03:36
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
"Jeff Jones" <drjones99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181246327.121863.218180@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 7, 4:05 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
>> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
>> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
>> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>>
> Let's just erase all the records, otherwise they'll look pretty
> patchy.
Excellent idea. Let's begin to wipe out Coppi: that makes Bartali 14 times
virtual winner.
According to http://cyclisme.dopage.free.fr/courses/tdf-palmares.htm,
> all but *three* Tour winners since 1949 have been implicated in doping
> related activity programs at some point during their careers.
>
> The clean winners:
>
> Federico Bahamontes
> Lucien Van Impe
> Greg LeMond
Not having been implicated in doping affairs certainly doesn't mean being
"clean". For instance, among the names printed in black are well-known users
as Robic, Ockers, Brankart, Fritz Schaer (nicknamed "Pillen-Fritz"), etc.
Benjo
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 02:48:50
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
* "benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > a écrit
>> The clean winners:
>>
>> Federico Bahamontes
>> Lucien Van Impe
>> Greg LeMond
>
> Not having been implicated in doping affairs certainly doesn't mean being
> "clean". For instance, among the names printed in black are well-known users
> as Robic, Ockers, Brankart, Fritz Schaer (nicknamed "Pillen-Fritz"), etc.
You can wipe Federico too
The Fix was in on that win - although I don(t know if dopage was also
involved
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
-
Can the European Union be reformed? I doubt it. The EU is bound
together by a self-serving class of bureaucrats who want to expand
their budgets and their power, despite the harm they do. These
functionaries will use traditional methods of deception to counteract
any calls for reforms so they can retain control. Of Course it doesn't
help that some of the former Nations are led by Traitors such as
Merkel, Sarkozy and Blair.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 11:35:27
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Jun 7, 12:16 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com > wrote:
>
> Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
> inflicted black eye for cycling?
It might start looking like a censored letter coming out of a prison
camp.
More to the point, what black eye? That's so negative. Newspeak
would refer to Riis as the Tour's 1996 unchampion.
It's all double plus good to me.
R
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:02:01
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
In article
<1181241327.159181.279910@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com >
,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 7, 12:16 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
> > inflicted black eye for cycling?
>
> It might start looking like a censored letter coming out of a prison
> camp.
>
> More to the point, what black eye? That's so negative. Newspeak
> would refer to Riis as the Tour's 1996 unchampion.
>
> It's all double plus good to me.
He could legally change his name to
"The cyclist formerly known as the 1996 TdF champion."
--
Michael Press
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 20:29:32
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:02:01 GMT, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
>In article
><1181241327.159181.279910@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
>,
> RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 7, 12:16 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
>> > inflicted black eye for cycling?
>>
>> It might start looking like a censored letter coming out of a prison
>> camp.
>>
>> More to the point, what black eye? That's so negative. Newspeak
>> would refer to Riis as the Tour's 1996 unchampion.
>>
>> It's all double plus good to me.
>
>He could legally change his name to
>"The cyclist formerly known as the 1996 TdF champion."
But what about the pictures?
Can't just blot out his face, right. That'd look silly. And if they airbrushed
him out completely then there just wouldn't be a picture of the race winner at
all. All the podium shots would look silly with someone missing. The only thing
to do is choose or create a virtual face for the virtual winner.
Ron
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 20:24:48
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
RonSonic wrote:
>
> Can't just blot out his face, right. That'd look silly. And if they airbrushed
> him out completely then there just wouldn't be a picture of the race winner at
> all. All the podium shots would look silly with someone missing. The only thing
> to do is choose or create a virtual face for the virtual winner.
>
I suggest
http://radio.cbc.ca/programs/asithappens/entertainment/pictures/alfredz.jpg
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 09:49:44
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
RonSonic wrote:
> Can't just blot out his face, right. That'd look silly. And if they airbrushed
> him out completely then there just wouldn't be a picture of the race winner at
> all. All the podium shots would look silly with someone missing. The only thing
> to do is choose or create a virtual face for the virtual winner.
Perhaps Lemond has some appropriate images that can be photoshopped into
his virtual win podium shots. The nice thing about virtual win podium
shots is you even get to pick the podium girls and what they're (not)
wearing.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 00:33:50
From: Carlos
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
> But what about the pictures?
>
> Can't just blot out his face, right. That'd look silly. And if they
airbrushed
> him out completely then there just wouldn't be a picture of the race
winner at
> all. All the podium shots would look silly with someone missing. The only
thing
> to do is choose or create a virtual face for the virtual winner.
>
> Ron
Just airbrush some hair on his head. Nobody would recognize him.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 11:06:46
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Jun 7, 9:16 am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com > wrote:
> On Jun 7, 10:05 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
> Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
> carefully!)
>
> (Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)
>
> Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
> inflicted black eye for cycling?
>
> Contrast with USA football:
>
> http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=195
Dumbass -
There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
acquitted in the criminal trial.
Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 18:51:18
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
In article <1181239606.340882.182870@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 7, 9:16 am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 10:05 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> > > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> > > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> > > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
> >
> > Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
> > carefully!)
> >
> > (Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)
> >
> > Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
> > inflicted black eye for cycling?
> >
> > Contrast with USA football:
> >
> > http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=195
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
> acquitted in the criminal trial.
>
> Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
> arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
> out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
> business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
I agree that Simpson's troubles outside of sport shouldn't preclude him from being
in the Football Hall of Fame - if you were serious about giving people the boot, I'd
imagine a guy like Lyle Alzedo would be a better choice, since he did admit to
steroid use (as I recall) while a player. But I think it's moronic to do that.
> That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
> haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?
Well, if people want to continue to admit their doping (or other unsavory acts)
years after the fact, then the record books will look like a Freedom of Information
Act release - full of black felt penned out sections. That's stupid.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:05:05
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181239606.340882.182870@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 7, 9:16 am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 7, 10:05 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
>> > record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
>> > wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
>> > records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>>
>> Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
>> carefully!)
>>
>> (Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)
>>
>> Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
>> inflicted black eye for cycling?
>>
>> Contrast with USA football:
>>
>> http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=195
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
> acquitted in the criminal trial.
>
> Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
> arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
> out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
> business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.
>
> That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
> haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?
Simple. The first anti-doping rules are from 1965. Anquetil's last win in
1964.
Benjo
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 19:30:24
From: Keith
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:05:14 -0000, ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
>record.
Where is that record located ?
>Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
>wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
>records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
>-ilan
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 09:16:23
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
|
On Jun 7, 10:05 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
carefully!)
(Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)
Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
inflicted black eye for cycling?
Contrast with USA football:
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=195
What a wonderful world... not to gloss over the question of "having an
impact on results", which got ol' Charley Hustle kept out of
Cooperstown for life, so far.
--D-y
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:29:20
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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<dustoyevsky@mac.com > wrote in message
news:1181232983.794507.319600@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
> inflicted black eye for cycling?
>
...
Not sure WHAT the official record book is for Tour winners. It would seem
that the Tour organizer is not the one vested with the right to overturn
results and Pruddie seemed to agree with that. If they ever strike gold
coins for the Tour winners, perhaps that one will be blank on one side and
have a picture of a horse's ass on the other (so you can use it for heads
and tails) - they'll call it the Dick Pound coin.
Or maybe they will all be highly malleable, so you can return each to be
restruck when necessary. Or the year on one side and 'Whatever' on the
other...
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 17:39:51
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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* ilanpsi@gmail.com a écrit
> I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
But Spotted Dick is one of "US" whereas Riis and Zabel are not ;)
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 08:31:48
From:
Subject: Re: Riis out of the Tour record books
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On Jun 7, 5:05 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
> record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
> wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
> records despite his confession 5 years ago.
>
> -ilan
I can't see how Prudhomme could award the 1996 yellow to Ullrich or
Virenque, so the 1996 winner will be blank. This must disappoint
Pereiro.
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