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Date: 16 Jul 2007 16:58:32
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Scenes from a rest day
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My provincial cycling organization sent me my glossy quarterly magazine,
and they have an interview with the High Performance Director
(basically, he provides coaching for provincial teams and any promising
young riders), who's a Welshman by birth.
Somebody didn't spell-check the oral interview:
"Your Favourite/Best moment in Cycling?"
"Steve Roach winning the Tour, Giro, and Worlds in 1987..."
Ah yes, Steve Roach, that good Irick lad.
Lucky for them his favourite rider wasn't Vynnohqu'rawv.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 09:07:30
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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On Jul 16, 11:17 pm, Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> >> About par for the course for an outfit that rips off the Bike
> >> Messengers
>
> >> Davey merrily skims his Provincial Champion medal out into the Med
> >> in Solidarity with the Working Poor Bicycle Messengers that the UCI
> >> and Affiliated Bodies exploit at every opportunity but Obdurately deny
> >> them Membership which could provide them with some insurance coverage
> >> and other badly needed benefits saying "Fuck that bunch of Wankers"
>
> > Huh? What did the UCI do to the Poor Bicycle Messengers?
>
> > The usual insurance coverage that a rider gets through the provincial
> > body (Cycling BC where I live) provides in-race liability coverage, as
> > far as I know, and nothing more. More to the point, it's almost
> > impossible for couriers in this province to not be covered by medical
> > insurance, and I'm not sure what other insurance they need.
>
> > I guess they could contract for Underinsured Motorist Protection through
> > ICBC, car or no,
>
> The Messengers are Cyclists, and a very significant group which is
> badly in need of representation which the UCI and affiliates could
> provide
>
> Words fail me when I contemplate a Piece of Shit who would willingly
> embrace SkateBoarding because there are lots of possibilities for
> Payola and totally ignore the Bicycle Messengers
Messengers are a notoriously unruly bunch and I can
hardly imagine them happily accepting the miasmical fog
of bureaucracy (geez, I sound like Greg White) that
trails the UCI like Swamp Gas.
In any case, the UCI makes such a Cluster of Fuck of
all that it touches that any sane messenger would stay
far away from its clammy grip. Or as Robert Chung
would say, "This is not a well thought out plan."
Although the thought of watching Pat McQuaid drinking
cheap whisky from a paper cup at an Alleycat Race is most
appealing.
One of the nice things about events like Single Speed
Worlds and Messenger competitions is that they have
evaded the UCI's clutches, and that is probably why they
are still fun.
Ben
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 18:40:27
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Jul 16, 11:17 pm, Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com>
> wrote:
>>>> About par for the course for an outfit that rips off the Bike
>>>> Messengers
>>>> Davey merrily skims his Provincial Champion medal out into the Med
>>>> in Solidarity with the Working Poor Bicycle Messengers that the UCI
>>>> and Affiliated Bodies exploit at every opportunity but Obdurately deny
>>>> them Membership which could provide them with some insurance coverage
>>>> and other badly needed benefits saying "Fuck that bunch of Wankers"
>>> Huh? What did the UCI do to the Poor Bicycle Messengers?
>>> The usual insurance coverage that a rider gets through the provincial
>>> body (Cycling BC where I live) provides in-race liability coverage, as
>>> far as I know, and nothing more. More to the point, it's almost
>>> impossible for couriers in this province to not be covered by medical
>>> insurance, and I'm not sure what other insurance they need.
>>> I guess they could contract for Underinsured Motorist Protection through
>>> ICBC, car or no,
>> The Messengers are Cyclists, and a very significant group which is
>> badly in need of representation which the UCI and affiliates could
>> provide
>>
>> Words fail me when I contemplate a Piece of Shit who would willingly
>> embrace SkateBoarding because there are lots of possibilities for
>> Payola and totally ignore the Bicycle Messengers
>
> Messengers are a notoriously unruly bunch and I can
> hardly imagine them happily accepting the miasmical fog
> of bureaucracy (geez, I sound like Greg White) that
> trails the UCI like Swamp Gas.
>
Imagine the doping test results.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 12:39:44
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Although the thought of watching Pat McQuaid drinking
> cheap whisky from a paper cup at an Alleycat Race is most
> appealing.
or appaling.
> One of the nice things about events like Single Speed
> Worlds and Messenger competitions is that they have
> evaded the UCI's clutches, and that is probably why they
> are still fun.
The consequences of introducing dope tests for messengers could be quite
interesting (or appaling).
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 16:01:40
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > writes:
> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>> Although the thought of watching Pat McQuaid drinking
>> cheap whisky from a paper cup at an Alleycat Race is most
>> appealing.
>
> or appaling.
>
>> One of the nice things about events like Single Speed
>> Worlds and Messenger competitions is that they have
>> evaded the UCI's clutches, and that is probably why they
>> are still fun.
>
> The consequences of introducing dope tests for messengers could be quite
> interesting (or appaling).
>
If you exclude canabis and beer, I seriously doubt that you would
catch very many Messengers
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The propaganda war used to justify Western policies over Kosovo was
unrelenting. We were told that 500,000 ethnic Albanians had been
killed there by the Serbs (miraculously we are now given a figure of
around 10,000). Much was made of a 1989 speech by former Yugoslav
leader Slobodan Milosevic said to call for "ethnic cleansing" in
Kosovo. But one has only to read the speech to realize it said the
exact opposite - that it was a call for moderation in handling ethnic
Albanian hostility to a justifiably stronger Serbian political
presence there; the idea that the 10 percent Serbian minority there
would set out deliberately to expel the large ethnic Albanian majority
was patently absurd from the start. Yet that absurdity has regularly
been trundled out by allegedly objective Western commentators relying
heavily on the 1999 flight of ethnic Albanians to neighboring
Macedonia as proof. But that flight was temporary, and came after the
U.S - NATO bombing attacks, not before. Some of it was also staged.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 17:13:41
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Davey Crockett wrote:
> If you exclude canabis and beer, I seriously doubt that you would
> catch very many Messengers
But WADA think that canabis is performance enhancing (and apparently the
British labour party ministers agree).
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 23:50:40
From: Marlene Blanshay
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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yikes..which province?
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> My provincial cycling organization sent me my glossy quarterly magazine,
> and they have an interview with the High Performance Director
> (basically, he provides coaching for provincial teams and any promising
> young riders), who's a Welshman by birth.
>
> Somebody didn't spell-check the oral interview:
>
> "Your Favourite/Best moment in Cycling?"
>
> "Steve Roach winning the Tour, Giro, and Worlds in 1987..."
>
> Ah yes, Steve Roach, that good Irick lad.
>
> Lucky for them his favourite rider wasn't Vynnohqu'rawv.
>
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 05:19:18
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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In article <b0Xmi.17327$w44.141293@weber.videotron.net >,
Marlene Blanshay <blanshay@videotron.ca > wrote:
> yikes..which province?
>
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > My provincial cycling organization sent me my glossy quarterly magazine,
> > and they have an interview with the High Performance Director
> > (basically, he provides coaching for provincial teams and any promising
> > young riders), who's a Welshman by birth.
> >
> > Somebody didn't spell-check the oral interview:
> >
> > "Your Favourite/Best moment in Cycling?"
> >
> > "Steve Roach winning the Tour, Giro, and Worlds in 1987..."
> >
> > Ah yes, Steve Roach, that good Irick lad.
> >
> > Lucky for them his favourite rider wasn't Vynnohqu'rawv.
> >
Not yours.
(BC; the coach is Steve Wooles, and I'm quite sure he knows it's
"Stephen.")
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 20:19:11
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > writes:
> My provincial cycling organization sent me my glossy quarterly magazine,
> and they have an interview with the High Performance Director
> (basically, he provides coaching for provincial teams and any promising
> young riders), who's a Welshman by birth.
>
> Somebody didn't spell-check the oral interview:
>
> "Your Favourite/Best moment in Cycling?"
>
> "Steve Roach winning the Tour, Giro, and Worlds in 1987..."
>
> Ah yes, Steve Roach, that good Irick lad.
>
> Lucky for them his favourite rider wasn't Vynnohqu'rawv.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
About par for the course for an outfit that rips off the Bike
Messengers
Davey merrily skims his Provincial Champion medal out into the Med
in Solidarity with the Working Poor Bicycle Messengers that the UCI
and Affiliated Bodies exploit at every opportunity but Obdurately deny
them Membership which could provide them with some insurance coverage
and other badly needed benefits saying "Fuck that bunch of Wankers"
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
-
"If Hillary Clinton were to step forward to issue a clarion call for
the immediate impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney, she could win
the Presidency by virtual acclamation," - Lyndon LaRouche
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 20:17:44
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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In article <87644kw6sg.fsf@azurservers.com >,
Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> writes:
>
> > My provincial cycling organization sent me my glossy quarterly magazine,
> > and they have an interview with the High Performance Director
> > (basically, he provides coaching for provincial teams and any promising
> > young riders), who's a Welshman by birth.
> >
> > Somebody didn't spell-check the oral interview:
> >
> > "Your Favourite/Best moment in Cycling?"
> >
> > "Steve Roach winning the Tour, Giro, and Worlds in 1987..."
> >
> > Ah yes, Steve Roach, that good Irick lad.
> >
> > Lucky for them his favourite rider wasn't Vynnohqu'rawv.
> About par for the course for an outfit that rips off the Bike
> Messengers
>
> Davey merrily skims his Provincial Champion medal out into the Med
> in Solidarity with the Working Poor Bicycle Messengers that the UCI
> and Affiliated Bodies exploit at every opportunity but Obdurately deny
> them Membership which could provide them with some insurance coverage
> and other badly needed benefits saying "Fuck that bunch of Wankers"
Huh? What did the UCI do to the Poor Bicycle Messengers?
The usual insurance coverage that a rider gets through the provincial
body (Cycling BC where I live) provides in-race liability coverage, as
far as I know, and nothing more. More to the point, it's almost
impossible for couriers in this province to not be covered by medical
insurance, and I'm not sure what other insurance they need.
I guess they could contract for Underinsured Motorist Protection through
ICBC, car or no,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 08:17:23
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > writes:
> In article <87644kw6sg.fsf@azurservers.com>,
> Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote:
>
>> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> writes:
>>
>> > My provincial cycling organization sent me my glossy quarterly magazine,
>> > and they have an interview with the High Performance Director
>> > (basically, he provides coaching for provincial teams and any promising
>> > young riders), who's a Welshman by birth.
>> >
>> > Somebody didn't spell-check the oral interview:
>> >
>> > "Your Favourite/Best moment in Cycling?"
>> >
>> > "Steve Roach winning the Tour, Giro, and Worlds in 1987..."
>> >
>> > Ah yes, Steve Roach, that good Irick lad.
>> >
>> > Lucky for them his favourite rider wasn't Vynnohqu'rawv.
>
>> About par for the course for an outfit that rips off the Bike
>> Messengers
>>
>> Davey merrily skims his Provincial Champion medal out into the Med
>> in Solidarity with the Working Poor Bicycle Messengers that the UCI
>> and Affiliated Bodies exploit at every opportunity but Obdurately deny
>> them Membership which could provide them with some insurance coverage
>> and other badly needed benefits saying "Fuck that bunch of Wankers"
>
> Huh? What did the UCI do to the Poor Bicycle Messengers?
>
> The usual insurance coverage that a rider gets through the provincial
> body (Cycling BC where I live) provides in-race liability coverage, as
> far as I know, and nothing more. More to the point, it's almost
> impossible for couriers in this province to not be covered by medical
> insurance, and I'm not sure what other insurance they need.
>
> I guess they could contract for Underinsured Motorist Protection through
> ICBC, car or no,
>
The Messengers are Cyclists, and a very significant group which is
badly in need of representation which the UCI and affiliates could
provide
Words fail me when I contemplate a Piece of Shit who would willingly
embrace SkateBoarding because there are lots of possibilities for
Payola and totally ignore the Bicycle Messengers
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Under the false mantle of peacemaker, Tony Bliar is Washington's man
and the West's envoy to Israel. His job is to continue six decades of
ethnic cleansing war and repression against defenseless Palestinians,
support open conflict doing it if necessary, ally with an illegitimate
quisling Fatah government, and outrageously claim he's there seeking
peace.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 00:33:22
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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In article <87fy3nv9jg.fsf@azurservers.com >,
Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> writes:
> >> About par for the course for an outfit that rips off the Bike
> >> Messengers
> >>
> >> Davey merrily skims his Provincial Champion medal out into the Med
> >> in Solidarity with the Working Poor Bicycle Messengers that the UCI
> >> and Affiliated Bodies exploit at every opportunity but Obdurately deny
> >> them Membership which could provide them with some insurance coverage
> >> and other badly needed benefits saying "Fuck that bunch of Wankers"
> >
> > Huh? What did the UCI do to the Poor Bicycle Messengers?
> The Messengers are Cyclists, and a very significant group which is
> badly in need of representation which the UCI and affiliates could
> provide
>
> Words fail me when I contemplate a Piece of Shit who would willingly
> embrace SkateBoarding because there are lots of possibilities for
> Payola and totally ignore the Bicycle Messengers
Well, I think that it would be a bit outside of the UCI's raison d'etre.
They're an organization devoted to organizing bike races. Even simple
cycling advocacy is left to other, more focused groups.
It's rather like complaining that Habitat for Humanity does nothing for
cancer research,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 09:43:47
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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in message <rcousine-9F0A76.17332417072007@news.telus.net >, Ryan Cousineau
('rcousine@sfu.ca') wrote:
>>
>> Words fail me when I contemplate a Piece of Shit who would willingly
>> embrace SkateBoarding because there are lots of possibilities for
>> Payola and totally ignore the Bicycle Messengers
>
> Well, I think that it would be a bit outside of the UCI's raison d'etre.
> They're an organization devoted to organizing bike races. Even simple
> cycling advocacy is left to other, more focused groups.
Agree. But I also agree with Davey that they're being totally unprincipled
in getting into the skateboard lark, which (a) isn't cycling and (b) isn't
racing.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
my other car is #<Subr-Car: #5d480 >
;; This joke is not funny in emacs.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 07:41:27
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > writes:
>
> Well, I think that it would be a bit outside of the UCI's raison d'etre.
> They're an organization devoted to organizing bike races. Even simple
> cycling advocacy is left to other, more focused groups.
>
Horseshit
The aims of the UCI are as follows:
- regulating cycling at international level;
- promoting cycling in every country throughout the world and at all levels;
- organizing the World Championships for all disciplines;
- encouraging friendly relations between members of the cycling family;
- promoting sporting ethics and fair play;
- representing the sport of cycling and defending its interests on
national and international bodies;
- collaborating with the International Olympic Committee with respect
to Olmpic cycling events.
Our mission states that the UCI means to develop and promote all
aspects of cycling. This is because cycling is more than just a
competitive sport. It is also a leisure activity and an
environmentally friendly means of transport.
--
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The two most common elements in the Universe are hydrogen and stupidity.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 08:18:41
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Davey Crockett wrote:
>
> Horseshit
>
> The aims of the UCI are as follows:
>
> - regulating cycling at international level;
> - promoting cycling in every country throughout the world and at all levels;
> - organizing the World Championships for all disciplines;
> - encouraging friendly relations between members of the cycling family;
> - promoting sporting ethics and fair play;
> - representing the sport of cycling and defending its interests on
> national and international bodies;
> - collaborating with the International Olympic Committee with respect
> to Olmpic cycling events.
>
>
> Our mission states that the UCI means to develop and promote all
> aspects of cycling. This is because cycling is more than just a
> competitive sport. It is also a leisure activity and an
> environmentally friendly means of transport.
>
Promote, but not protect. It seems you want the UCI to provide some sort
of protection (be it like a labour union, a legal advocate, whatever) to
bicycle messengers but, as Ryan said, that's not its reason d'être. The
UCI is a sporting body, promoting cycling at all levels (meaning
cadets- >pros->fatty masters), not an advocate for couriers on two
wheels. The bike messengers should join the same union as Fedex and DHL
if they want protection and advocacy.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 02:20:41
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com > writes:
> Davey Crockett wrote:
>>
>> Horseshit
>>
>> The aims of the UCI are as follows:
>>
>> - regulating cycling at international level; - promoting cycling in
>> every country throughout the world and at all levels; - organizing
>> the World Championships for all disciplines; - encouraging friendly
>> relations between members of the cycling family; - promoting
>> sporting ethics and fair play; - representing the sport of cycling
>> and defending its interests on
>> national and international bodies; - collaborating with the
>> International Olympic Committee with respect
>> to Olmpic cycling events.
>>
>>
>> Our mission states that the UCI means to develop and promote all
>> aspects of cycling. This is because cycling is more than just a
>> competitive sport. It is also a leisure activity and an
>> environmentally friendly means of transport.
>>
>
> Promote, but not protect. It seems you want the UCI to provide some
> sort of protection
Davey would be overjoyed if the UCI and affiliates would even Promote
Bicycle Messengers/Messengering
Instead The Asshole at the helm
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 08:40:43
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Scenes from a rest day
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Davey Crockett wrote:
> Kyle Legate <legatek@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> Promote, but not protect. It seems you want the UCI to provide some
>> sort of protection
>
> Davey would be overjoyed if the UCI and affiliates would even Promote
> Bicycle Messengers/Messengering
>
In large cities it seems the demand has already been met and in smaller
cities bike messengers are not feasible due to lack of demand.
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