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Date: 30 May 2007 17:22:15
From: bar
Subject: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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... if there were any justice in the world. Instead, he gets one for
himself, then works like a dog for two other chumps:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/giro07/giro0717/fs004
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/giro07/giro0715/fs001
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 03:43:38
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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On May 31, 1:13 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <1180570935.281201.4...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, bar
>
> ('barbari...@gmail.com') wrote:
> > ... if there were any justice in the world. Instead, he gets one for
> > himself, then works like a dog for two other chumps:
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
>
> Piepoli is a great climber - one of the best. I always like to watch him.
>
Piepoli is also a pro. He's on a team with a big star
and a rising star, and he's already won a stage, and
he has no ambitions for the overall. So whether or not
Simoni and Ricco were actually stronger than Piepoli at
the finish lines, them winning stages is good for the
team, the sponsor and the PR (remembering that team,
sponsor, and PR value are very directly linked).
I expect that everybody knows this including Piepoli
and whoever writes the bonus or prize checks that
Piepoli is likely to get. I like to see
professionalism, even if the OP mistakes it for
chumpism.
This is one reason why tactics and teams are different
in bike racing than say running (or even racecar
driving, where there's drafting but teams are notional).
Ben
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 00:52:43
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:43:38 -0000, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
>On May 31, 1:13 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>> in message <1180570935.281201.4...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, bar
>>
>> ('barbari...@gmail.com') wrote:
>> > ... if there were any justice in the world. Instead, he gets one for
>> > himself, then works like a dog for two other chumps:
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
>>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
>>
>> Piepoli is a great climber - one of the best. I always like to watch him.
>>
>
>Piepoli is also a pro. He's on a team with a big star
>and a rising star, and he's already won a stage, and
>he has no ambitions for the overall. So whether or not
>Simoni and Ricco were actually stronger than Piepoli at
>the finish lines, them winning stages is good for the
>team, the sponsor and the PR (remembering that team,
>sponsor, and PR value are very directly linked).
>I expect that everybody knows this including Piepoli
>and whoever writes the bonus or prize checks that
>Piepoli is likely to get. I like to see
>professionalism, even if the OP mistakes it for
>chumpism.
>
>This is one reason why tactics and teams are different
>in bike racing than say running (or even racecar
>driving, where there's drafting but teams are notional).
A few years back there were a couple of Canadian brother running in an IMSA
compact sedan class who used to see who qualified best, then during the race the
first would lead with bro' bumper drafting down the straights. The bastids were
damn near unbeatable.
That was an exception. Usually there isn't much a team mate can do for you.
Ron
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Date: 31 May 2007 21:05:56
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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In article <1180669418.392909.209800@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com >,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> On May 31, 1:13 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
> > in message <1180570935.281201.4...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, bar
> >
> > ('barbari...@gmail.com') wrote:
> > > ... if there were any justice in the world. Instead, he gets one for
> > > himself, then works like a dog for two other chumps:
> >
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
> >
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
> >
> > Piepoli is a great climber - one of the best. I always like to watch him.
> >
>
> Piepoli is also a pro. He's on a team with a big star
> and a rising star, and he's already won a stage, and
> he has no ambitions for the overall. So whether or not
> Simoni and Ricco were actually stronger than Piepoli at
> the finish lines, them winning stages is good for the
> team, the sponsor and the PR (remembering that team,
> sponsor, and PR value are very directly linked).
> I expect that everybody knows this including Piepoli
> and whoever writes the bonus or prize checks that
> Piepoli is likely to get. I like to see
> professionalism, even if the OP mistakes it for
> chumpism.
That's the same reason Simoni sat on in the chase group the day that Ricco won:
professionalism. He's sharp enough to not help drag a group up to his team mates. And
Piepoli is a real professional too. Probably one of the best out there, I think.
> This is one reason why tactics and teams are different
> in bike racing than say running (or even racecar
> driving, where there's drafting but teams are notional).
Well, there is the same kind of teamwork in car racing sometimes. For example, in
the early '90s the SCCA had a class for minitrucks and the Archer brothers (on the
same team) would get away to a big lead and draft each other like mad then give the
win to whichever one needed the points most.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 31 May 2007 21:13:40
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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in message <1180570935.281201.4300@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com >, bar
('barbaricia@gmail.com') wrote:
> ... if there were any justice in the world. Instead, he gets one for
> himself, then works like a dog for two other chumps:
>
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/giro07/giro0717/fs004
>
>
http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/2007/giro07/giro0715/fs001
Piepoli is a great climber - one of the best. I always like to watch him.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclicken und giffengrabben... Ist
nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das mausklicken sichtseeren
keepen das bandwit-spewin hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und
watchen das cursorblinken. -- quoted from the jargon file
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Date: 31 May 2007 12:14:20
From: bar
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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On May 31, 8:34 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On May 31, 2:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 31, 3:14 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Obviously you didn't watch the stages. Ricco and Simoni most
> > > definitely didn't steal the stages.
>
> > > Ricco was much stronger in his victory, where he did the lead out over
> > > the last two cols.
>
> > Stage wins traditionally occur right near the finish line - not a
> > couple climbs back. Piepoli certainly let Ricco take the win. There
> > was a conversation a couple or three hundred meters down where Ricco
> > interrupted his facial rictus to smile. I'm guessing that's where
> > Piepoli said, "Vai, Ricco!"
>
> > R
>
> Oh yes, agreed there, but I contested what the OP had said, wich was a
> different cup of tea :P
i don't drink tea ... only testosterone-laden starbucks expresso
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Date: 31 May 2007 05:34:50
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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On May 31, 2:23 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On May 31, 3:14 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Obviously you didn't watch the stages. Ricco and Simoni most
> > definitely didn't steal the stages.
>
> > Ricco was much stronger in his victory, where he did the lead out over
> > the last two cols.
>
> Stage wins traditionally occur right near the finish line - not a
> couple climbs back. Piepoli certainly let Ricco take the win. There
> was a conversation a couple or three hundred meters down where Ricco
> interrupted his facial rictus to smile. I'm guessing that's where
> Piepoli said, "Vai, Ricco!"
>
> R
Oh yes, agreed there, but I contested what the OP had said, wich was a
different cup of tea :P
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Date: 31 May 2007 05:23:02
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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On May 31, 3:14 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Obviously you didn't watch the stages. Ricco and Simoni most
> definitely didn't steal the stages.
>
> Ricco was much stronger in his victory, where he did the lead out over
> the last two cols.
Stage wins traditionally occur right near the finish line - not a
couple climbs back. Piepoli certainly let Ricco take the win. There
was a conversation a couple or three hundred meters down where Ricco
interrupted his facial rictus to smile. I'm guessing that's where
Piepoli said, "Vai, Ricco!"
R
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Date: 31 May 2007 00:14:20
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: So that'd be three stage wins for Piepoli ...
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Obviously you didn't watch the stages. Ricco and Simoni most
definitely didn't steal the stages.
Ricco was much stronger in his victory, where he did the lead out over
the last two cols.
Simoni was the one boosting up the important part of the Zoncolan.
After the finisg they said (Simoni with Piepoli standing next to
him):
"At one point Leo told me to stop pulling, so he could work for me,"
noted Simoni standing next to his teammate. The two-time Giro winner
worked with Piepoli and young Schleck up the gradients to put race
leader Di Luca into difficulty. The Saunier duo was not able to make
the distance and it then decided to focus on the stage victory."
They should definitely be very grateful towards Piepoli, but if you
had seen the stages you wouldn't doubt that the strongest rider won,
On May 31, 2:22 am, bar <barbari...@gmail.com > wrote:
> ... if there were any justice in the world. Instead, he gets one for
> himself, then works like a dog for two other chumps:
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/giro07/index.php?id=/photos/20...
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