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Date: 15 Jul 2007 16:49:33
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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The propaganda war used to justify Western policies over Kosovo was
unrelenting. We were told that 500,000 ethnic Albanians had been
killed there by the Serbs (miraculously we are now given a figure of
around 10,000). Much was made of a 1989 speech by former Yugoslav
leader Slobodan Milosevic said to call for "ethnic cleansing" in
Kosovo. But one has only to read the speech to realize it said the
exact opposite - that it was a call for moderation in handling ethnic
Albanian hostility to a justifiably stronger Serbian political
presence there; the idea that the 10 percent Serbian minority there
would set out deliberately to expel the large ethnic Albanian majority
was patently absurd from the start. Yet that absurdity has regularly
been trundled out by allegedly objective Western commentators relying
heavily on the 1999 flight of ethnic Albanians to neighboring
Macedonia as proof. But that flight was temporary, and came after the
U.S - NATO bombing attacks, not before. Some of it was also staged.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 19:22:04
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 16, 2:48 am, Cyrus De Kline <cyrusdekl...@yahoo.fr > wrote:
> > >> Protect who?
> > >> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>
> > > Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
> > > as my Ass
>
> > The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
> > views :)
>
> The guys _in_ the race (riders and their directeurs sportifs), however
> seemed to agree by letting Rogers go into such rather serious break in
> the first place. And these are the guys that count more than any
> commentators. Rogers was a GC contender only in the eyes of the T-Mob
> (weel, maybe also the cyclingnews-Oz-connection).
Dumbass -
That doesn't make the case for a couple of reasons:
1) They could be playing "chicken" with each other, trying to goad the
other team into doing the work
2) They could be wrong about a rider. They have in the past: letting
Perriero go last year for 30 minutes or letting Chiapucci go in 1989.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 13:22:03
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 16, 3:43 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <87abtww7qm....@azurservers.com>, Davey Crockett
>
> ('d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com') wrote:
> > Instead if the competition have any balls, they'll run a full page
> > piccy of Rogers with a caption something like "Would you trust your
> > Communications to an outfit that Quits when the going gets Tough?"
>
> So you're going to cycle up a mountain with a dislocated shoulder, are you?
With a virtual dislocated shoulder and virtual balls...sure, why
wouldn't he?
R
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 12:25:56
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 16, 2:35 pm, r...@elevengear.us wrote:
>
> Also props too to Contador.
Sucks that he had that flat. Would have been interesting to see what
he could have done with better luck. Hopefully this will make him
hungrier.
At one point he seemed to have a particular objection to Cadel getting
on his wheel. Short of turning around and smacking him, he couldn't
have made it much clearer that he wasn't putting up with Evan's
leeching.
R
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 11:35:19
From:
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Man I second that emotion. Moreau was the man of the day besides
Razzy. You could see him attack to make a selection and then those
that were strong enough to make it up to him were unwilling to get
their nose in the wind. Schleck I can understand, he has his boss back
there. But Evans? Valverde? In frustration, Moreau went again hoping
to cause a split that would make the others ride. But those dudes for
some inexplicable reason never worked together, when it was definitely
in their own mutual interest. Were they given some weird set of team
orders over the earpieces? I was really rather amazed. Moreau rides
with heart and I hope France gets a tour win since what, 1986? Also
props too to Contador.
> Nil, I hope. He wheelsucked all the way up the last climb. If he'd
> worked with Moreau instead of against him, they'd both have put a bigger
> gap into Vino - and, let's face it, Vino is still the most likely winner
> of this year's tour. Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day
> tomorrow. The day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have
> been done. But Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and
> so will finish behind Vino.
>
> Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> trouble today.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 06:03:09
From: Andre
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 16, 5:48 am, Cyrus De Kline <cyrusdekl...@yahoo.fr > wrote:
> On Jul 15, 5:21 pm, "JC" <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:87k5t1wvm3.fsf@azurservers.com...
>
> > > "JC" <nob...@home.com> writes:
>
> > >> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
> > >>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>
> > >>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>
> > >> Protect who?
> > >> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>
> > > Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
> > > as my Ass
>
> > The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
> > views :)
>
> The guys _in_ the race (riders and their directeurs sportifs), however
> seemed to agree by letting Rogers go into such rather serious break in
> the first place. And these are the guys that count more than any
> commentators. Rogers was a GC contender only in the eyes of the T-Mob
> (weel, maybe also the cyclingnews-Oz-connection).
> Unfortunately for all of us, we cannot be proved wrong either way
> anymore.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Levi benefitted also from those strange tactics played out in the
Moreau group. Levi made up some time and is still in contention.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 19:58:41
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Andre <ANDREJANSSENS1@YAHOO.COM > writes:
> On Jul 16, 5:48 am, Cyrus De Kline <cyrusdekl...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>> On Jul 15, 5:21 pm, "JC" <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >news:87k5t1wvm3.fsf@azurservers.com...
>>
>> > > "JC" <nob...@home.com> writes:
>>
>> > >> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>> > >>news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
>> > >>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>
>> > >>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>>
>> > >> Protect who?
>> > >> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>>
>> > > Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
>> > > as my Ass
>>
>> > The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
>> > views :)
>>
>> The guys _in_ the race (riders and their directeurs sportifs), however
>> seemed to agree by letting Rogers go into such rather serious break in
>> the first place. And these are the guys that count more than any
>> commentators. Rogers was a GC contender only in the eyes of the T-Mob
>> (weel, maybe also the cyclingnews-Oz-connection).
>> Unfortunately for all of us, we cannot be proved wrong either way
>> anymore.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Levi benefitted also from those strange tactics played out in the
> Moreau group. Levi made up some time and is still in contention.
>
Well each Directeur Sportif has his own ideas on strategy and tactics
And in a way that's what makes stage racing less boring.
However, it's still my contention that several potential opportunities
were missed by several squads yesterday and in particular by T-Mobile
In my day any squad that failed to defend the Jersey, no matter how
lowly the rider wearing it ranked in the heirarchy, were lower than
Dog Shit.
And to think that Rogers was ever a contender was proven to be the
height of idiocy when he put his foot down shortly after being reeled
in by a group with whom he couldn't trade pedal strokes.
'Twas a Bad Day all round for T-Mobile. If they'd rallied around
Gerdemann they might have saved the Jersey, and even if they didn't,
they would have got lots of highly favourable Press coverage that the
Sponsor could have used.
Instead if the competition have any balls, they'll run a full page
piccy of Rogers with a caption something like "Would you trust your
Communications to an outfit that Quits when the going gets Tough?"
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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The only Honourable option is to own up to what no one in Washington
or London or the major media will do - that the Iraq and Afghan
conflicts are Illegal Wars of Aggression making those responsible for
them in the Administrations and Congress, Principally but not
Exclusively George Bush, Tony Blair, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld,
Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell, War Criminals warranting Prosecution
for their crimes and Execution by Hanging upon being found Guilty..
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 20:43:28
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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in message <87abtww7qm.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett
('d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com') wrote:
> Instead if the competition have any balls, they'll run a full page
> piccy of Rogers with a caption something like "Would you trust your
> Communications to an outfit that Quits when the going gets Tough?"
So you're going to cycle up a mountain with a dislocated shoulder, are you?
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; part time troll.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 07:05:36
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <87abtww7qm.fsf@azurservers.com>, Davey Crockett
> ('d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com') wrote:
>
>> Instead if the competition have any balls, they'll run a full page
>> piccy of Rogers with a caption something like "Would you trust your
>> Communications to an outfit that Quits when the going gets Tough?"
>
> So you're going to cycle up a mountain with a dislocated shoulder, are you?
>
Tougher riders have cycled up with worse.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 04:20:08
From: JC
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote in message
news:0cusm4-ouu.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> in message <87abtww7qm.fsf@azurservers.com>, Davey Crockett
> ('d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com') wrote:
>
>> Instead if the competition have any balls, they'll run a full page
>> piccy of Rogers with a caption something like "Would you trust your
>> Communications to an outfit that Quits when the going gets Tough?"
>
> So you're going to cycle up a mountain with a dislocated shoulder, are
> you?
From what he's been posting, one can only gather he has nothing but a
personal dislike for certain riders/teams
>
> --
> simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; part time troll.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 08:06:38
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"JC" <nobody@home.com > writes:
> "Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:0cusm4-ouu.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
>> in message <87abtww7qm.fsf@azurservers.com>, Davey Crockett
>> ('d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com') wrote:
>>
>>> Instead if the competition have any balls, they'll run a full page
>>> piccy of Rogers with a caption something like "Would you trust your
>>> Communications to an outfit that Quits when the going gets Tough?"
>>
>> So you're going to cycle up a mountain with a dislocated shoulder, are
>> you?
>
> From what he's been posting, one can only gather he has nothing but a
> personal dislike for certain riders/teams
>
That Piece Of Shit squad led the doping charge for more years than I
can remember, no matter what lies or "Spin" they put on it now.or how
loudly they proclaim their intent to rid the World of the Doperz. It's
simply a Crock of Shit as their whole team strategy was based on
doping as late as last year. But this year, like sundry other
miscreants populating the jails of the world, it seems they have got
Religion when in fact they are not sorry at all that they doped. Just
extremely sorry that they got caught.
Doping, they name is TELEKOM
Happily though, this year they are no longer Dopers but just plain
DOPES and it couldn't happen to a nicer Squad
Admittedly it started later in Kommie Kraut Cycling than in the other
sports, but became de rigeur after the 1972 bikie squad were totally
shut out of any meaningful medals at that year's Olympic Follies when
they cleaned up in every other sport
GOLD
Peter Frenkel — Athletics, Men's 20km Walk
Wolfgang Nordwig — Athletics, Men's Pole Vault
Renate Stecher — Athletics, Women's 100 metres
Renate Stecher — Athletics, Women's 200 metres
Monika Zehrt — Athletics, Women's 400 metres
Annelie Ehrhardt — Athletics, Women's 100m Hurdles
Monika Zehrt, Dagmar Käsling, Rita Kühne, and Helga Seidler — Athletics, Women's 4x400m Relay
Ruth Fuchs — Athletics, Women's Javelin Throw
Siegbert Horn — Canoeing, Men's K1 Kayak Slalom Singles
Reinhard Eiben — Canoeing, Men's C1 Canadian Slalom Singles
Rolf-Dieter Amend and Walter Hofmann — Canoeing, Men's C2 Canadian Slalom Pairs
Angelika Bahmann — Canoeing, Women's K1 Kayak Slalom Singles
Klaus Köste — Gymnastics, Men's Long Horse Vault
Karin Janz — Gymnastics, Women's Side Horse Vault
Karin Janz — Gymnastics, Women's Asymmetrical Bars
Siegfried Brietzke and Wolfgang Mager — Rowing, Men's Coxless Pairs
Wolfgang Gunkel, Jörg Lucke, and Klaus-Dieter Neubert — Rowing, Men's Coxed Pairs
Dieter Schubert, Frank Forberger, Dieter Grahn and Frank Rühle — Rowing, Men's Coxless Fours
Roland Matthes — Swimming, Men's 100m Backstroke
Roland Matthes — Swimming, Men's 200m Backstroke
SILVER
Stefan Junge — Athletics, Men's High Jump
Jörg Drehmel — Athletics, Men's Triple Jump
Jochen Sachse — Athletics, Men's Hammer Throw
Gunhild Hoffmeister — Athletics, Women's 1500 metres
— Athletics, Women's 4x100m Relay
Margitta Gummel-Helmboldt — Athletics, Women's Shot Put
Jacqueline Todten — Athletics, Women's Javelin Throw
Petra Grabowski and Ilse Kaschube — Canoeing, Women's K2 500m Kayak Pairs
— Cycling, Men's 4000m Team Pursuit
Jürgen Geschke and Werner Otto — Cycling, Men's 2000m Tandem
Karin Janz — Gymnastics, Women's All-Around Individual
Erika Zuchold — Gymnastics, Women's Side Horse Vault
Erika Zuchold — Gymnastics, Women's Asymmetrical Bars
— Gymnastics, Women's Team Combined Exercises
— Rowing, Men's Coxed Fours
- Swimming, Men's 4x100m Medley Relay
Roswitha Beier — Swimming, Women's 100m Butterfly
Kornelia Ender — Swimming, Women's 200m Individual Medley
— Swimming, Women's 4x100m Freestyle Relay
— Swimming, Women's 4x100m Medley Relay
— Volleyball, Men's Team Competition
Heinz-Helmut Wehling — Wrestling, Men's Greco-Roman Featherweight
Paul Borowski, Karl-Heinz Thun and Konrad Weichert — Sailing, Men's Dragon Class
BRONZE
Hans-Georg Reimann — Athletics, Men's 20km Walk
Hartmut Briesenick — Athletics, Men's Shot Put
Gunhild Hoffmeister — Athletics, Women's 800 metres
Karin Balzer — Athletics, Women's 100m Hurdles
Burglinde Pollak — Athletics, Women's Pentathlon
Peter Tiepold — Boxing, Men's Light Middleweight
Marina Janicke — Diving, Women's 3m Springboard
Marina Janicke — Diving, Women's 10m Platform
Harald Gimpel — Canoeing, Men's K1 Kayak Slalom Singles
Jürgen Schütze — Cycling, Men's 1000m Time Trial
— Gymnastics, Men's Team Combined Exercises
Karin Janz — Gymnastics, Women's Balance Beam
Dietmar Hötger — Judo, Men's Half Middleweight (70 kg)
Wolfgang Güldenpfennig — Rowing, Men's Single Sculls
Joachim Böhmer and Hans-Ullrich Schmied — Rowing, Men's Double Sculls
— Rowing, Men's Rowing Eights
Werner Lippoldt — Shooting, Men's Small-bore Rifle, Three Positions
Michael Buchheim — Shooting, Men's Skeet Shooting
— Football (soccer), Men's Team Competition
— Swimming, Men's 4x100m Freestyle Relay
Gudrun Wegner — Swimming, Women's 400m Freestyle
Stefan Grützner — Weightlifting, Men's Heavyweight
Gerd Bonk — Weightlifting, Men's Super Heavyweight
CYCLING ONLY
Men's Individual Road Race
Karl-Heinz Oberfranz — 30th place
Wolfgang Wesemann — 33rd place
Dieter Gonschorek — Packed
Wolfram Kühn — Packed
Men's 1.000m Time Trial
Jürgen Schütze
Final — 1:07.02 ( Bronze Medal)
Men's Tandem
Jürgen Geschke and Werner Otto — Silver Medal
And after that it took off bigtime, starting way before Christian Henn
ending with the sorry platitudes the WunderKind was spewing the other
day most probably on orders from his DS
http://www.denverpost.com/technology/ci_6377064
Jeepers, even Paddy McBoggy's got religion these days, but then he's
stupid enough to believe anything
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,429321,00.html
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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A nation that cannot control its borders is not a nation."
- President Ronald Reagan²
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 11:50:31
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 15, 1:04 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <87odidwwle....@azurservers.com>, Davey Crockett
>
> ('d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com') wrote:
> > Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>
> > Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>
> I have to admit I partly agree. Still, it's rotten bad luck for Rogers.
>
> --
> si...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
> ;; This email may contain confidential or otherwise privileged
> ;; information, though, quite frankly, if you're not the intended
> ;; recipient and you've got nothing better to do than read other
> ;; folks' emails then I'm glad to have brightened up your sad little
> ;; life a tiny bit.
wow. sure whhhhishKlang i was standing there. Rodgers thought that was
a 50mph bend?
Mal route!
and geredeman on the brink.
results of the no drugs policy: carnage from foggy thinking.
as above.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 02:48:02
From: Cyrus De Kline
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 15, 5:21 pm, "JC" <nob...@home.com > wrote:
> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>
> news:87k5t1wvm3.fsf@azurservers.com...
>
> > "JC" <nob...@home.com> writes:
>
> >> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com> wrote in message
> >>news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
> >>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>
> >>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>
> >> Protect who?
> >> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>
> > Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
> > as my Ass
>
> The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
> views :)
The guys _in_ the race (riders and their directeurs sportifs), however
seemed to agree by letting Rogers go into such rather serious break in
the first place. And these are the guys that count more than any
commentators. Rogers was a GC contender only in the eyes of the T-Mob
(weel, maybe also the cyclingnews-Oz-connection).
Unfortunately for all of us, we cannot be proved wrong either way
anymore.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 02:38:59
From: Cyrus De Kline
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 16, 10:43 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Andre wrote:
> > Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> > I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> > trouble today.
>
> Moreau seemed to be up for it today. I hope I'm wrong in wondering if, at
> 36, he'll be able to recover well enough for the steeper Pyrenean climbs
> after the TT next weekend.
He forced it too much. By attacking his breakaway companions several
times he clearly showed them that he was the strongest of the group.
>From then on, they wouldn't cooperate anymore. Dumbass move by Moreau,
really.
Why should they help the guy that attacked them just before?
It was all of them against him from this point on. Of course they
wouldn't let him go anymore.
Mayo showed them how it's done:
Attack once. The others have to chase back.
Make yourself disappear in the group. Play dead (you seemingly put all
your effort into your first attack).
Attack when nobody expects it because they think you are dead.
Unfortunately for Mayo, it only works once. In the next stages he will
also be a marked man.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 16:53:39
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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In article <1184578739.306662.315060@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com >,
Cyrus De Kline <cyrusdekline@yahoo.fr > wrote:
> On Jul 16, 10:43 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Andre wrote:
> > > Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> > > I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> > > trouble today.
> >
> > Moreau seemed to be up for it today. I hope I'm wrong in wondering if, at
> > 36, he'll be able to recover well enough for the steeper Pyrenean climbs
> > after the TT next weekend.
>
> He forced it too much. By attacking his breakaway companions several
> times he clearly showed them that he was the strongest of the group.
> >From then on, they wouldn't cooperate anymore. Dumbass move by Moreau,
> really.
> Why should they help the guy that attacked them just before?
> It was all of them against him from this point on. Of course they
> wouldn't let him go anymore.
>
> Mayo showed them how it's done:
> Attack once. The others have to chase back.
> Make yourself disappear in the group. Play dead (you seemingly put all
> your effort into your first attack).
> Attack when nobody expects it because they think you are dead.
>
> Unfortunately for Mayo, it only works once. In the next stages he will
> also be a marked man.
Let's also give points to Mayo for another thing: not insta-tanking when
he hit the hills.
I was actually planning to write a joke post about how the schedule for
Sunday's stage was for Mayo to disappear off the back on the second Cat1
climb of the stage, and now I'm quite glad I didn't get around to it.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 00:43:50
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-545C47.09533816072007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1184578739.306662.315060@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Let's also give points to Mayo for another thing: not insta-tanking when
> he hit the hills.
It's really great to see Iban riding like we all knew he could. I have a
suspicion that Euskatel had him on a training regime that didn't work for
him but worked for the coach.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 09:35:03
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> It's really great to see Iban riding like we all knew he could. I have a
> suspicion that Euskatel had him on a training regime that didn't work for
> him but worked for the coach.
I suspect Euskatel never had much of a scientific training program going.
It was probably just a case of go out and ride which may work up to a
point with very talented riders but when you get to the top level you need
every edge you can get.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 23:56:28
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:469c7041$0$9813$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> It's really great to see Iban riding like we all knew he could. I have a
>> suspicion that Euskatel had him on a training regime that didn't work for
>> him but worked for the coach.
>
> I suspect Euskatel never had much of a scientific training program going.
> It was probably just a case of go out and ride which may work up to a
> point with very talented riders but when you get to the top level you need
> every edge you can get.
I remember that little dumbshit EE guy who won a big stage in front of Lance
a couple of years ago saying that every year they gave him a training
program and every year he threw it away and did what he felt like.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 12:53:49
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Cyrus De Kline wrote:
> He forced it too much. By attacking his breakaway companions several
> times he clearly showed them that he was the strongest of the group.
> From then on, they wouldn't cooperate anymore. Dumbass move by Moreau,
In fairness, before the attacking I saw him gesturing more than once,
asking them to ride together (finger making circles).
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 14:06:03
From: Andre
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 15, 1:12 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <8Yqmi.43106$ew4.36...@fe03.news.easynews.com>, JC
>
> ('nob...@home.com') wrote:
> > Any particular reason you don't rate him?
> > And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?
>
> Nil, I hope. He wheelsucked all the way up the last climb. If he'd worked
> with Moreau instead of against him, they'd both have put a bigger gap into
> Vino - and, let's face it, Vino is still the most likely winner of this
> year's tour. Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
> day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
> Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
> behind Vino.
>
> --
> si...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
> /-\ You have discovered a security flaw in a Microsoft product. You
>
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 12:09:26
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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in message <1184533563.983078.327340@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >, Andre
('ANDREJANSSENS1@YAHOO.COM') wrote:
> On Jul 15, 1:12 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>> in message <8Yqmi.43106$ew4.36...@fe03.news.easynews.com>, JC
>>
>> ('nob...@home.com') wrote:
>> > Any particular reason you don't rate him?
>> > And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?
>>
>> Nil, I hope. He wheelsucked all the way up the last climb. If he'd
>> worked with Moreau instead of against him, they'd both have put a bigger
>> gap into Vino - and, let's face it, Vino is still the most likely winner
>> of this year's tour. Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day
>> tomorrow. The day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have
>> been done. But Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and
>> so will finish behind Vino.
>
> Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> trouble today.
I assume the reason Schleck didn't help Moreau was team orders - Sastre was
back with Vino. I don't understand why Evans and Valverde didn't work with
Moreau, because it was clearly in both of their interests to do Astana as
much damage as possible.
I have to say I hope Sastre is up to this. He talks about playing a long
game and was able to climb away from Vino at the end; but I really feel
that yesterday was the day to hit Astana hard, and it was not done.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
<p >Schroedinger's cat is <blink><strong>NOT</strong></blink> dead.</p>
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 10:43:15
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Andre wrote:
> Evans never attacks! But none of the other racers were helping Moreau.
> I agree that group could have put the Vino/Kloden/Levi/Sastre group in
> trouble today.
Moreau seemed to be up for it today. I hope I'm wrong in wondering if, at
36, he'll be able to recover well enough for the steeper Pyrenean climbs
after the TT next weekend.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 18:04:10
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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in message <87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett
('d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com') wrote:
> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>
> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
I have to admit I partly agree. Still, it's rotten bad luck for Rogers.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; This email may contain confidential or otherwise privileged
;; information, though, quite frankly, if you're not the intended
;; recipient and you've got nothing better to do than read other
;; folks' emails then I'm glad to have brightened up your sad little
;; life a tiny bit.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 09:07:17
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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On Jul 15, 11:33 am, Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
>
> Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
> with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
> to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
> Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
> entertaining.
I've enjoyed the race so far and only found that one slow stage
frustrating (which was corrected later in the day). What exactly were
you hoping would happen in the first week?
R
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 00:35:51
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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In article <1184515637.881200.165250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 15, 11:33 am, Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
> > with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
> > to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
> > Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
> > entertaining.
>
> I've enjoyed the race so far and only found that one slow stage
> frustrating (which was corrected later in the day). What exactly were
> you hoping would happen in the first week?
>
> R
Well in previous years, the peloton has literally exploded.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 11:58:35
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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In article
<rcousine-7BC8BF.17355317072007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1184515637.881200.165250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 15, 11:33 am, Davey Crockett <d4Qaveycrock...@azurservers.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
> > > with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
> > > to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
> > > Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
> > > entertaining.
> >
> > I've enjoyed the race so far and only found that one slow stage
> > frustrating (which was corrected later in the day). What exactly were
> > you hoping would happen in the first week?
>
> Well in previous years, the peloton has literally exploded.
Did you count the broken bones this year?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 15:03:49
From: JC
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote in message
news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>
> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
Protect who?
Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 17:10:44
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"JC" <nobody@home.com > writes:
> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
> news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>
>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>
> Protect who?
> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>
Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
as my Ass
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
-
On the 50th anniversary of their original unification, the EU powers
congratulated themselves on the way they had kept Europe free of war
ever since 1945. They did not seem even to notice how they had just
gone to war with a European nation called Serbia. Serbia was the one
European nation to resist Nazi German domination (the others either
surrendered or collaborated). Its capital, Belgrade, was viciously
bombed as a result. The next time it was bombed was by a NATO that
included Germany and many of the other former collaborator nations,
this time to force it to submit over Kosovo. Little wonder the Serbs
remain angry.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 15:21:40
From: JC
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote in message
news:87k5t1wvm3.fsf@azurservers.com...
> "JC" <nobody@home.com> writes:
>
>> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>> news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
>>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>>
>>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>>
>> Protect who?
>> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>>
> Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
> as my Ass
The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
views :)
Any particular reason you don't rate him?
And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 18:12:06
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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in message <8Yqmi.43106$ew4.36547@fe03.news.easynews.com >, JC
('nobody@home.com') wrote:
> Any particular reason you don't rate him?
> And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?
Nil, I hope. He wheelsucked all the way up the last climb. If he'd worked
with Moreau instead of against him, they'd both have put a bigger gap into
Vino - and, let's face it, Vino is still the most likely winner of this
year's tour. Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
behind Vino.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
/-\ You have discovered a security flaw in a Microsoft product. You
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 21:18:00
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Simon Brooke wrote:
> Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
> day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
> Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
> behind Vino.
Vino can't really afford to lose much more time on Tuesday, he's good
at the ITT but he's no Ullrich.
And speaking of Ullrich, if he's watching he must be wishing he used a
more discreet service provider because that elusive no.2 might finally
have come, what with more than 100Km of ITT's to come and no really big
attacks in the mountains.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 16:44:57
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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In article
<469a733c$0$5565$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Simon Brooke wrote:
> > Vino is recovering each day, and has a rest day tomorrow. The
> > day to put minutes into him was today, and it could have been done. But
> > Evans would not (or could not) do a stroke of work, and so will finish
> > behind Vino.
>
> Vino can't really afford to lose much more time on Tuesday, he's good
> at the ITT but he's no Ullrich.
>
> And speaking of Ullrich, if he's watching he must be wishing he used a
> more discreet service provider because that elusive no.2 might finally
> have come, what with more than 100Km of ITT's to come and no really big
> attacks in the mountains.
We haven't seen everybody yet. Have we? I think there
are some riders who have not hoisted their colors yet.
I am looking forward to more, serious racing.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 17:33:37
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"JC" <nobody@home.com > writes:
> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
> news:87k5t1wvm3.fsf@azurservers.com...
>> "JC" <nobody@home.com> writes:
>>
>>> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>>> news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
>>>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>>>
>>>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>>>
>>> Protect who?
>>> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>>>
>> Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
>> as my Ass
>
> The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
> views :)
>
Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
entertaining
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
-
White Nations are growing weary of seeing their sons die in wars to
bring Democracy to people who do not seem all that appreciative. They
are tired of reading of factories going to China and jobs going to
India, while Illegal Aliens march in their cities under foreign flags
to demand their "civil rights" and the Government hands out their Tax
Money as Welfare with both hands.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 15:44:52
From: JC
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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"Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com > wrote in message
news:87fy3pwujy.fsf@azurservers.com...
> "JC" <nobody@home.com> writes:
>
>> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>> news:87k5t1wvm3.fsf@azurservers.com...
>>> "JC" <nobody@home.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> "Davey Crockett" <d4Qaveycrockett@azurservers.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:87odidwwle.fsf@azurservers.com...
>>>>> Rogers went off like a Wet Squib a couple of minutes ago
>>>>>
>>>>> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
>>>>
>>>> Protect who?
>>>> Gerdemann or Rogers who was in yellow jersey position when he crashed?
>>>>
>>> Rogers was about as much comparable to Maillot Jaune Material
>>> as my Ass
>>
>> The commentators i'm listening to weren't exactly in agreeance with your
>> views :)
>>
>
> Well of course. When a race has been as boring as this one has been
> with only minor points of interest, it's the job of the commentators
> to fire up the Wankers so they don't flip the channel to a Tractor
> Pull or Chicks Mud Wrestling, both of which would be eminently more
> entertaining
Well we both wankers then eh
any reason why you didn't answer my Questions
Any particular reason you don't rate him?
And what are your views on Cadel Evans's chances?
>
>
> --
> Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
> -
> White Nations are growing weary of seeing their sons die in wars to
> bring Democracy to people who do not seem all that appreciative. They
> are tired of reading of factories going to China and jobs going to
> India, while Illegal Aliens march in their cities under foreign flags
> to demand their "civil rights" and the Government hands out their Tax
> Money as Welfare with both hands.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 17:00:16
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: T-Mobile - Justice is Done
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Davey Crockett schreef:
> Serves T-Mobile right for not protecting the Jersey
Better to lead the chase at 21 km/h than to drop back, let the pace fall
to 18 and invite escapes at 22.
--
E. Dronkert
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