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Date: 23 Jul 2007 12:39:13
From: Bike-Mike
Subject: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
riders can be dropped?
Imagine of Vino had been able to healthy this year. The guy is
amazing.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:31:20
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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in message <gmp9a35um23320tuo2nkh9u0bbb2bkfnoi@4ax.com >, Bike-Mike
('none@') wrote:
> Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
> should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
> which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
> there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
> riders can be dropped?
>
> Imagine of Vino had been able to healthy this year. The guy is
> amazing.
He's certainly one of the most consistently entertaining riders - the
combination of truly heroic grit, horribly bad luck and occasionally
outrageous tactical decisions make sure of that.
I doubt I'd like him as a person, but I do admire him.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Morning had broken, and there was nothing left for us to do
but pick up the pieces.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 19:37:29
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Bike-Mike wrote:
> Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
> should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
> which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
> there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
> riders can be dropped?
Where are you getting that the time cut was 10%?
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 13:14:47
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Bike-Mike wrote:
>> Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
>> should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
>> which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
>> there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
>> riders can be dropped?
>
> Where are you getting that the time cut was 10%?
>
> Bob Schwartz
From the 2006 official rules:
Cœfficient 3 (stages presenting intense difficulty)
The permitted finishing time is calculated according to the winner’s actual finishing time
plus:
5% if the average speed is less than or equal to 26 km/h;
6% between 26 km/h and 27 km/h;
7% between 27 km/h and 28 km/h;
8% between 28 km/h and 29 km/h;
9% between 29 km/h and 30 km/h;
10% between 30 km/h and 31 km/h;
11% between 31 km/h and 32 km/h;
12% between 32 km/h and 33 km/h;
13% between 33 km/h and 34 km/h;
14% between 34 km/h and 35 km/h;
15% between 35 km/h and 36 km/h;
16% between 36 km/h and 37 km/h;
17% between 37 km/h and 38 km/h;
18% over 38 km/h
The cut-off would therefore be 15%, or 50:10.
Dan
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 08:39:43
From: Bike-Mike
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote:
>Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> Bike-Mike wrote:
>>> Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
>>> should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
>>> which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
>>> there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
>>> riders can be dropped?
>>
>> Where are you getting that the time cut was 10%?
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
> From the 2006 official rules:
>Cœfficient 3 (stages presenting intense difficulty)
>The permitted finishing time is calculated according to the winner’s actual finishing time
>plus:
>5% if the average speed is less than or equal to 26 km/h;
>6% between 26 km/h and 27 km/h;
>7% between 27 km/h and 28 km/h;
>8% between 28 km/h and 29 km/h;
>9% between 29 km/h and 30 km/h;
>10% between 30 km/h and 31 km/h;
>11% between 31 km/h and 32 km/h;
>12% between 32 km/h and 33 km/h;
>13% between 33 km/h and 34 km/h;
>14% between 34 km/h and 35 km/h;
>15% between 35 km/h and 36 km/h;
>16% between 36 km/h and 37 km/h;
>17% between 37 km/h and 38 km/h;
>18% over 38 km/h
>
>
>The cut-off would therefore be 15%, or 50:10.
>
>Dan
That makes perfect sense. The thumbnail version they give on TV is
just 8-10% which is apparently a generalization perhaps based on where
it typically falls. I figured there had to be some sort of cutoff as
to how many it would kick out or else the occassional freak ride (esp
on mountains) like that of Landis last year would DQ all the sprinters
just trying to finish.
Many thanks! I have been wondering about that for a while.
(Obviously, the stage I was meant to was stage 14 where Vino dropped
back, and even at 10% he was just still above the cutoff. I was
trying to see how many got dropped in 14 as stage 15 results were
being posted.)
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 07:34:13
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Bike-Mike wrote:
> That makes perfect sense. The thumbnail version they give on TV is
> just 8-10% which is apparently a generalization perhaps based on where
> it typically falls.
Did the TV (I assume Versus) also describe the riders navigating treacherous descents @ 70 mph?
Believe virtually nothing you hear from US bike racing television coverage.
Dan
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 11:29:35
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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In article <46A60DE5.4010303@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >,
Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> Bike-Mike wrote:
>
> > That makes perfect sense. The thumbnail version they give on TV is
> > just 8-10% which is apparently a generalization perhaps based on where
> > it typically falls.
>
> Did the TV (I assume Versus) also describe the riders navigating treacherous descents @ 70 mph?
>
> Believe virtually nothing you hear from US bike racing television coverage.
I heard that, and automatically translated to km/hr.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 14:54:17
From: Jay Hill
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> Did the TV (I assume Versus) also describe the riders navigating
> treacherous descents @ 70 mph?
They've been backing off that this year, I think because GPS is being
used to give more accurate speeds. The highest I've heard so far is 60
mph.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 22:41:31
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > writes:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> Bike-Mike wrote:
>>> Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
>>> should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
>>> which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
>>> there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
>>> riders can be dropped?
>>
>> Where are you getting that the time cut was 10%?
>>
>> Bob Schwartz
>
> From the 2006 official rules:
> CÅ“fficient 3 (stages presenting intense difficulty)
> The permitted finishing time is calculated according to the winner’s actual finishing time
> plus:
> 5% if the average speed is less than or equal to 26 km/h;
> 6% between 26 km/h and 27 km/h;
> 7% between 27 km/h and 28 km/h;
> 8% between 28 km/h and 29 km/h;
> 9% between 29 km/h and 30 km/h;
> 10% between 30 km/h and 31 km/h;
> 11% between 31 km/h and 32 km/h;
> 12% between 32 km/h and 33 km/h;
> 13% between 33 km/h and 34 km/h;
> 14% between 34 km/h and 35 km/h;
> 15% between 35 km/h and 36 km/h;
> 16% between 36 km/h and 37 km/h;
> 17% between 37 km/h and 38 km/h;
> 18% over 38 km/h
>
>
> The cut-off would therefore be 15%, or 50:10.
>
Even at that Dan, they can't Hors Delai 25 per cent or more of the
field if I remember correctly
--
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list of war crimes which the World Court in Belgium would like to
prosecute.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 14:28:49
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Davey Crockett wrote:
> Even at that Dan, they can't Hors Delai 25 per cent or more of the
> field if I remember correctly
>
It's discretionary:
Permitted finishing times
Elimination cœfficients
Finishing times may be adapted under exceptional situations (weather conditions,
blocked roads, serious accident or incident, etc.) according to the assessment of the
stewards committee, with the agreement of the race management. If the percentage
of eliminated riders rises above 20% of starters in the stage, permitted finishing times
may be increased upon the decision of the stewards committee, with the agreement of
the race management.
It is understood that the riders who finish within the new permitted times will qualify for
following stages, without a precedent being set for the rest of the race.
Possible exceptions
The stewards committee may exceptionally allow one or several particularly unlucky
riders to qualify, after informing the race management.
In this case the following factors will be taken into consideration:
• The average speed of the stage; X
• The point at which the incident or accident occurred;
• The effort made by the rider or riders delayed by such incidents or accidents.
• The possible degree of impassability of the roads.
As these finishing times are calculated in relation to the winner of the stage, disqualifications
resulting from the decisions once taken by the stewards committee and made available
thereafter cannot in any case give rise to an entitlement to any exception for any rider.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 12:14:51
From: Marty
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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On Jul 23, 11:39 am, Bike-Mike <none@ > wrote:
> Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
> should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
> which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
> there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
> riders can be dropped?
>
> Imagine of Vino had been able to healthy this year. The guy is
> amazing.
Imagine also if he and his team had not been booted last year (for
nothing). Ahh! If only Vino had a bit more luck. I've had nothing
but great respect for this guy starting back in 2003 Paris-Nice, when
he attacked and won that race in honor of his friend, Andrei Kivilev,
who had died after a crash in stage 2.
--
Marty
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:27:53
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: TdF Cut-off time - Stage 15
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Bike-Mike <none@ > wrote:
> Only 85 riders finished within 10% of the winner on stage 15. This
> should mean that everyone after Isasi would be outside the cut-off
> which is about half the remaining field (including Vino). So, is
> there a qualifier that no more than a certain percent or number of
> riders can be dropped?
> Imagine of Vino had been able to healthy this year. The guy is
> amazing.
Vino always has one or two shitty days. He even had one in last years
Vuelta wich he won.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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