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Date: 15 Jun 2007 10:56:48
From: bar
Subject: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
that is all.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 19:00:50
From: Michael.
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 21, 2:20 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1182390757.377247.311...@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "Michael." <michael.john.con...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Personally, I'm looking forward to the possibility of no one rider or
> > team dominating. Even Di Luca had his bad days in the Giro, he just
> > managed them exceptionaly well.
>
> How did you determine that Di Luca had bad days?
> I saw him keeping everybody on a leash.
>
> --
> Michael Press
Okay so perhaps I have become a little jaded, and I now consider any
day that a GC contender loses more than a handful of seconds to a
rival, as a bad day for that GC contender.
I was thinking in particular of Stage 17 where Di Luca lost 32
seconds to Schleck and 51 seconds to Simoni.
If Di Luca was comfortable with Schleck getting that time, I have a
feeling it may well be the last time anyone lets Andy get time on them
by their own choice.
General classification after stage 16
1 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) Liquigas
73.43.12
2 Eddy Mazzoleni (Ita)
Astana 1.51
3 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team
CSC 2.56
4 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Saunier Duval -
Prodir 3.19
General classification after stage 17
1 Danilo Di Luca (Ita)
Liquigas 77.35.35
2 Andy Schleck (Lux) Team
CSC 2.24
3 Gilberto Simoni (Ita) Saunier Duval -
Prodir 2.28
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 09:54:33
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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Well... Dekker remains on the list for me.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 01:52:37
From: Michael.
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 20, 9:15 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 18, 3:29 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Andre wrote:
>
> > > I would add Kloden to the list. I would take Decker off the list. Levi
> > > seems to be a serious contender, not an outsider, I would remove
> > > Contador due to lack of experience. I would maybe even add Evans to
> > > the list.
>
> > Levi is a serious contender for Schumacher's chief water carrier.
>
> Exactly. Levi can rock the Amgen TdC and Copperopowhatever, but he
> just isn't in the same league as guys like Vino and Christophe when it
> comes to three hard weeks in France in July.
>
> Kloden will probably limp to a top 5 spot, too, but he'll do it all on
> his own as every other member of Astana will be there for Vino. Also,
> keep an eye on one Chris Horner -- I'm betting he's good for at least
> one stage win.
Someone else mentioned him, but I think that Evans needs to be taken
seriously. He almost matched Moreau in the mountains, was in sight of
Vino on the TT and, has enough experience in three week GTs to have
learned not to peak too early.
Personally, I'm looking forward to the possibility of no one rider or
team dominating. Even Di Luca had his bad days in the Giro, he just
managed them exceptionaly well.
Oh and how can this list be made without including someone from CSC.
Sastre is a good bet for the podium too.
Michael.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 00:12:26
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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"Michael." <michael.john.conway@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1182390757.377247.311900@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 20, 9:15 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 3:29 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Andre wrote:
>>
>> > > I would add Kloden to the list. I would take Decker off the list.
>> > > Levi
>> > > seems to be a serious contender, not an outsider, I would remove
>> > > Contador due to lack of experience. I would maybe even add Evans to
>> > > the list.
>>
>> > Levi is a serious contender for Schumacher's chief water carrier.
>>
>> Exactly. Levi can rock the Amgen TdC and Copperopowhatever, but he
>> just isn't in the same league as guys like Vino and Christophe when it
>> comes to three hard weeks in France in July.
>>
>> Kloden will probably limp to a top 5 spot, too, but he'll do it all on
>> his own as every other member of Astana will be there for Vino. Also,
>> keep an eye on one Chris Horner -- I'm betting he's good for at least
>> one stage win.
>
> Someone else mentioned him, but I think that Evans needs to be taken
> seriously. He almost matched Moreau in the mountains, was in sight of
> Vino on the TT and, has enough experience in three week GTs to have
> learned not to peak too early.
>
> Personally, I'm looking forward to the possibility of no one rider or
> team dominating. Even Di Luca had his bad days in the Giro, he just
> managed them exceptionaly well.
>
> Oh and how can this list be made without including someone from CSC.
> Sastre is a good bet for the podium too.
Sastre will not be a factor. Cadel will be. Moreau is going to be hard to
beat this year I'd think. Kloden will also be a problem but I think that
Vino is going to be his own worst enemy.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 09:50:51
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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Michael. wrote:
> Oh and how can this list be made without including someone from CSC.
> Sastre is a good bet for the podium too.
Schleck (the older) looks like a reasonable dark horse for a podium as
well. Maybe next year both Schleck's can do the tour; I wonder if two
brothers have ever finished on the podium in the tour.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 15:46:33
From: Mark VandenBerghe
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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Mick Rogers
-Mark VandenBerghe
"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:467a2df2$0$14767$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> Michael. wrote:
>> Oh and how can this list be made without including someone from CSC.
>> Sastre is a good bet for the podium too.
>
> Schleck (the older) looks like a reasonable dark horse for a podium as
> well. Maybe next year both Schleck's can do the tour; I wonder if two
> brothers have ever finished on the podium in the tour.
>
>
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 23:20:29
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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In article
<1182390757.377247.311900@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com >,
"Michael." <michael.john.conway@gmail.com > wrote:
> Personally, I'm looking forward to the possibility of no one rider or
> team dominating. Even Di Luca had his bad days in the Giro, he just
> managed them exceptionaly well.
How did you determine that Di Luca had bad days?
I saw him keeping everybody on a leash.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 18:15:27
From: bar
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 18, 3:29 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Andre wrote:
>
> > I would add Kloden to the list. I would take Decker off the list. Levi
> > seems to be a serious contender, not an outsider, I would remove
> > Contador due to lack of experience. I would maybe even add Evans to
> > the list.
>
> Levi is a serious contender for Schumacher's chief water carrier.
Exactly. Levi can rock the Amgen TdC and Copperopowhatever, but he
just isn't in the same league as guys like Vino and Christophe when it
comes to three hard weeks in France in July.
Kloden will probably limp to a top 5 spot, too, but he'll do it all on
his own as every other member of Astana will be there for Vino. Also,
keep an eye on one Chris Horner -- I'm betting he's good for at least
one stage win.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 10:35:53
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 20, 9:22 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> Andre wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 7:03 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 2. Thomas Dekker: Extremely impressive in Romandie where he dropped
> >> Savoldelli on a not so steep climb, something wich should suit
> >> Savoldelli. He has very good TT skills.
>
> > I would take Decker off the list.
>
> Right. A long piece in yesterday's NRC about his prospects and
> troubles. He was suffering from pain somewhere in his hip ever since
> an organizer's motobike rode into the peloton and crashed him in the
> Tirreno. Apparantly the TdS is his first race after a long period of
> rest and healing. Romandie came inbetween and caused a setback.
>
> He's not sure of his chances of getting on the Tour squad. If he does
> make it, it will be his first Tour and a learning year, especially in
> light of the preseason. Too bad. "Wat goed is komt snel!" On the other
> hand, he's young enough to go for the white jersey next year still.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
Ow that is too bad:(
"Wat goed is komt snel!" was exactly why I put him up on the favorites
list.
He is a chrono specialist with good climbing skills... so he could
become a winner. Most winners do extremely well during their first
(serious) TdF, so I ranked him up there.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 10:32:59
From:
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 20, 9:22 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> Andre wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 7:03 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 2. Thomas Dekker: Extremely impressive in Romandie where he dropped
> >> Savoldelli on a not so steep climb, something wich should suit
> >> Savoldelli. He has very good TT skills.
>
> > I would take Decker off the list.
>
> Right. A long piece in yesterday's NRC about his prospects and
> troubles. He was suffering from pain somewhere in his hip ever since
> an organizer's motobike rode into the peloton and crashed him in the
> Tirreno. Apparantly the TdS is his first race after a long period of
> rest and healing. Romandie came inbetween and caused a setback.
>
> He's not sure of his chances of getting on the Tour squad. If he does
> make it, it will be his first Tour and a learning year, especially in
> light of the preseason. Too bad. "Wat goed is komt snel!" On the other
> hand, he's young enough to go for the white jersey next year still.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
Okay, that is news for me and revises my calculations.
On "Wat goed is komt snel!" , that was exactly my reasoning. The truly
great get on the TdF podium the first (serious) attempt. And I think
Dekker has the potential markings neccesary for becoming a TdF winner:
Chrono skills+Decent climber. Usually the tour winner also wins the
Chronos.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 13:16:37
From: Andre
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 18, 3:29 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Andre wrote:
>
> > I would add Kloden to the list. I would take Decker off the list. Levi
> > seems to be a serious contender, not an outsider, I would remove
> > Contador due to lack of experience. I would maybe even add Evans to
> > the list.
>
> Levi is a serious contender for Schumacher's chief water carrier.
Levi Leapinghills is not doing that bad.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 10:28:22
From: Andre
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 18, 7:03 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Sorry, but I will eat my (racing) shoes if Moreau wins the TdF. In
> fact, I would be stunned if he ends up on the podium.
>
> He wont win a TT and he will loose time in the mountains: So in
> general he is not a real candidate.
>
> 1. Vinokourov: The only challenger of Lance Armstrong who is still
> active. Has the Vuelta under his belt and is showing form. That he
> dropped a lot of time in the mountains of the Dauphine doesn't matter,
> it could very well be part of his build-up traject not to go to deep
> now. Considering he did have two great stage wins it seems very
> 2. Thomas Dekker: Extremely impressive in Romandie where he dropped
> Savoldelli on a not so steep climb, something wich should suit
> Savoldelli. He has very good TT skills.
> 3. Alejandro Valverde: I am hard pressed to choose between him or
> Contador. But Valverde is a tad older and more experienced.
>
> Outsiders:
>
> Contador: Young and upcoming. Has TT and climbing potential.
> Levi Leipheimer: Got the climbing skills and a decent enough TT. So
> far always had a (very) bad day
>
> I am betting my money on one of these 5 ^^
I would add Kloden to the list. I would take Decker off the list. Levi
seems to be a serious contender, not an outsider, I would remove
Contador due to lack of experience. I would maybe even add Evans to
the list.
Andre
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 09:22:42
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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Andre wrote:
> On Jun 18, 7:03 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2. Thomas Dekker: Extremely impressive in Romandie where he dropped
>> Savoldelli on a not so steep climb, something wich should suit
>> Savoldelli. He has very good TT skills.
>
> I would take Decker off the list.
Right. A long piece in yesterday's NRC about his prospects and
troubles. He was suffering from pain somewhere in his hip ever since
an organizer's motobike rode into the peloton and crashed him in the
Tirreno. Apparantly the TdS is his first race after a long period of
rest and healing. Romandie came inbetween and caused a setback.
He's not sure of his chances of getting on the Tour squad. If he does
make it, it will be his first Tour and a learning year, especially in
light of the preseason. Too bad. "Wat goed is komt snel!" On the other
hand, he's young enough to go for the white jersey next year still.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 00:33:19
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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"Andre" <ANDREJANSSENS1@YAHOO.COM > wrote in message
news:1182187702.978768.87190@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 7:03 am, Tuschinski <Tuschin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry, but I will eat my (racing) shoes if Moreau wins the TdF. In
>> fact, I would be stunned if he ends up on the podium.
>>
>> He wont win a TT and he will loose time in the mountains: So in
>> general he is not a real candidate.
>>
>> 1. Vinokourov: The only challenger of Lance Armstrong who is still
>> active. Has the Vuelta under his belt and is showing form. That he
>> dropped a lot of time in the mountains of the Dauphine doesn't matter,
>> it could very well be part of his build-up traject not to go to deep
>> now. Considering he did have two great stage wins it seems very
>> 2. Thomas Dekker: Extremely impressive in Romandie where he dropped
>> Savoldelli on a not so steep climb, something wich should suit
>> Savoldelli. He has very good TT skills.
>> 3. Alejandro Valverde: I am hard pressed to choose between him or
>> Contador. But Valverde is a tad older and more experienced.
>>
>> Outsiders:
>>
>> Contador: Young and upcoming. Has TT and climbing potential.
>> Levi Leipheimer: Got the climbing skills and a decent enough TT. So
>> far always had a (very) bad day
>>
>> I am betting my money on one of these 5 ^^
>
> I would add Kloden to the list. I would take Decker off the list. Levi
> seems to be a serious contender, not an outsider, I would remove
> Contador due to lack of experience. I would maybe even add Evans to
> the list.
The only change I'd make is that I'm expecting Moreau to be on the podium
and wouldn't be all that surprised to see him win the Tour. That would
REALLY knock out the French anti-dopers. They'd proclaim that Frenchmen won
all of the previous Tours since they were the only clean one's - Anquetil
and Richard Virenque? Oh, and of course Pascal Lino.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 21:29:07
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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Andre wrote:
>
> I would add Kloden to the list. I would take Decker off the list. Levi
> seems to be a serious contender, not an outsider, I would remove
> Contador due to lack of experience. I would maybe even add Evans to
> the list.
>
Levi is a serious contender for Schumacher's chief water carrier.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 04:03:30
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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Sorry, but I will eat my (racing) shoes if Moreau wins the TdF. In
fact, I would be stunned if he ends up on the podium.
He wont win a TT and he will loose time in the mountains: So in
general he is not a real candidate.
1. Vinokourov: The only challenger of Lance Armstrong who is still
active. Has the Vuelta under his belt and is showing form. That he
dropped a lot of time in the mountains of the Dauphine doesn't matter,
it could very well be part of his build-up traject not to go to deep
now. Considering he did have two great stage wins it seems very
2. Thomas Dekker: Extremely impressive in Romandie where he dropped
Savoldelli on a not so steep climb, something wich should suit
Savoldelli. He has very good TT skills.
3. Alejandro Valverde: I am hard pressed to choose between him or
Contador. But Valverde is a tad older and more experienced.
Outsiders:
Contador: Young and upcoming. Has TT and climbing potential.
Levi Leipheimer: Got the climbing skills and a decent enough TT. So
far always had a (very) bad day
I am betting my money on one of these 5 ^^
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 16:45:31
From: bar
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 15, 7:44 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 15, 7:27 pm, Geraard Spergen <GSper...@spammagnet.net> wrote:
>
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > "bar" <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >news:1181930208.764625.123180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > >> mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
> > >> suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
>
> > >> that is all.
>
> > > Be absolutely certain to file that away so that you can bring it out and
> > > look at it afterwards. This year's Tour is completely open and I'd carefully
> > > watch Levi were I you. And yes, Moreau is on the card as well.
>
> > Didn't you predict that DiLuca didn't have a chance in the Giro a couple
> > months ago?
>
> Yes, I believe so. If i recall, I said something to the effect that
> he'd burn out before the final week ... that he was expending too much
> energy early on. I was counting on Cunego and Simoni being
> stronger ... they let me down. Christophe will not.
but you weren't talking to me were you ... d'oh!
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 16:44:15
From: bar
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 15, 7:27 pm, Geraard Spergen <GSper...@spammagnet.net > wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > "bar" <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1181930208.764625.123180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
> >> suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
>
> >> that is all.
>
> > Be absolutely certain to file that away so that you can bring it out and
> > look at it afterwards. This year's Tour is completely open and I'd carefully
> > watch Levi were I you. And yes, Moreau is on the card as well.
>
> Didn't you predict that DiLuca didn't have a chance in the Giro a couple
> months ago?
Yes, I believe so. If i recall, I said something to the effect that
he'd burn out before the final week ... that he was expending too much
energy early on. I was counting on Cunego and Simoni being
stronger ... they let me down. Christophe will not.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 15:53:00
From: billyroll
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 15, 3:45 pm, bar <barbari...@gmail.com > wrote:
> moreau will rise to the occasion. the french will name streets after
> him, children, schools, government buildings ... they will say that he
> might have won his home Tour numerous times were it not for the doping
> dynasties of the past decade from america and germany (denmark) ...
But will he have as many vitural wins as LeMond?
-B
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 15:45:58
From: bar
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 15, 5:31 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "bar" <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181930208.764625.123180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
> > suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
>
> > that is all.
>
> Be absolutely certain to file that away so that you can bring it out and
> look at it afterwards. This year's Tour is completely open and I'd carefully
> watch Levi were I you. And yes, Moreau is on the card as well.
moreau will rise to the occasion. the french will name streets after
him, children, schools, government buildings ... they will say that he
might have won his home Tour numerous times were it not for the doping
dynasties of the past decade from america and germany (denmark) ...
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 15:42:27
From: Andre
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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On Jun 15, 5:31 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "bar" <barbari...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181930208.764625.123180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
> > suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
>
> > that is all.
>
> Be absolutely certain to file that away so that you can bring it out and
> look at it afterwards. This year's Tour is completely open and I'd carefully
> watch Levi were I you. And yes, Moreau is on the card as well.
My predictions will come after the Tour de Suisse.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 21:31:20
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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"bar" <barbaricia@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181930208.764625.123180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
> suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
>
> that is all.
Be absolutely certain to file that away so that you can bring it out and
look at it afterwards. This year's Tour is completely open and I'd carefully
watch Levi were I you. And yes, Moreau is on the card as well.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 16:27:07
From: Geraard Spergen
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "bar" <barbaricia@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1181930208.764625.123180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
>> suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
>>
>> that is all.
>
> Be absolutely certain to file that away so that you can bring it out and
> look at it afterwards. This year's Tour is completely open and I'd carefully
> watch Levi were I you. And yes, Moreau is on the card as well.
>
>
Didn't you predict that DiLuca didn't have a chance in the Giro a couple
months ago?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:20:04
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: TdayF 2007 podium: 1. Moreau 2. Vino 3. Contador
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"Geraard Spergen" <GSpergen@spammagnet.net > wrote in message
news:467321b6$0$23060$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "bar" <barbaricia@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1181930208.764625.123180@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>> mcewen takes another green, chicken gets more spots, and boonen
>>> suffers through the mtns and wins on the champs.
>>> that is all.
>>
>> Be absolutely certain to file that away so that you can bring it out and
>> look at it afterwards. This year's Tour is completely open and I'd
>> carefully watch Levi were I you. And yes, Moreau is on the card as well.
>
> Didn't you predict that DiLuca didn't have a chance in the Giro a couple
> months ago?
I do remember saying that you had to watch DiLuca carefully and that I
thought he had a good chance. But I will admit I didn't expect him to win
the way he did.
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